New York Giants notes: Andre Brown 'running at full speed'
by Ed Valentine on Feb 23, 2010 6:00 AM EST
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PrintIn discussing New York Giants running backs, the future of Andre Brown, currently recovering from Achilles Tendon surgery, has often been a topic of conversation. How well Brown, a fourth-round pick a year ago, will come back is a valid question.
Brown's agent, Hadley Engelhard told me Monday that Brown is recovering nicely.
"His recovery is coming along great. He is running at full speed and should be ready for mini camp/OTA's."
Sounds like good news, but remember that part of Engelhard's job is to promote Brown. He is going to paint Brown in a favorable light no matter what.
Hopefully, Brown will be on the field during mini-camp in May. We will have to wait and see, but I know from first-hand experience that full recovery from Achilles surgery takes nine months to a year. The real test will come in the exhibition season when we see what kind of explosiveness Brown has when he has to plant and cut on that foot.
Brown was impressive during training camp last August. It is incredibly difficult to judge backs in camp because defenders are not allowed to tackle them. But, you could see that Brown had ability, and that he was pushing D.J.Ware for the third running back slot.
If he comes back as the same player, the Giants might not have to worry about the running back position.
Free Agent updates
A couple of updates as we move closer to March 5, when teams can begin signing free agents.
The San Diego Chargers have released LaDainian Tomlinson, and I would be stunned if the Giants had any interest. ... As expected, the New England Patriots have placed the franchise tag on defensive tackle Vince Wilfork. ... The New Orleans Saints will not franchise veteran safety Darren Sharper. Even though he will be 35, and the Giants do not usually go for the veteran free agents with a year or so of productivity left, Sharper might get their attention if he does hit the market.
Scouting Combine notes
Via Mocking The Draft, comes a tremendous line from Peter King about the NFL Scouting Combine.
"Guys go to the Scouting Combine and they change their grade on a player based on things that have nothing to do with playing football. I'm convinced if you took the stopwatches away from a lot of these guys, most of 'em would not be able to tell you whether they liked a player or not."
That is exactly why I hate the Scouting Combine. The "measurables" that GMs and scouts love so much can tell you what kind of an athlete a guy is. They can't tell you a darn thing about what kind of football player he is.
Tim Tebow won't throw at the Combine because he is apparently revamping his mechanics. I don't know about you, but I am praying Jacksonville, picking eighth, takes Tebow because they feel they need the marketing boost. Oh, and if Al Davis falls in love with Taylor Mays athleticism that would work, too. That means more players the Giants really want available to choose from.
Other notes
Buffalo apparently hopes to sign restricted free agent safety George Wilson to a contract extension. That would be a shame from the Giants perspective as Wilson is a player who might interest them, having played for Perry Fewell in 2009.
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Good news on Brown
I hope he is able to contribute in 2010 even on a small scale and is fully recovered for 2011.
Ed – do the Giants medical team check his progress? If so are you able to contact them for any comment?
If the medical team are happy with the progress of Brown and KP that does revamp the draft thinking. I do see the Giants using this year of picking mid round to get a quality OT if one is still on the board when they pick – otherwise they fall back on either a safety or DL.
by G Fan in England on Feb 23, 2010 6:17 AM EST reply actions
Draft Strategy...
Definitely agree that if Brown is fit this could well end up affecting draft thinking as regards the RB position. Maybe it even affects what we try and do with DJ Ware and Gartrell Johnson – I doubt it’s possible but if Brown’s fit maybe you could trade one of these guys and get a 6th/7th round pick (although not sure you’d get many takers) – might help the ‘Get Zoltan’ cause…
But I really don’t think KP’s progress goes any way towards changing our need for a safety – even if KP is at full health we still need someone to play along side him, not to mention at least some level of depth. While Rouse and Johnson might both be adequate in run support (and not sure MJ is even up to that after this season) we still need a good cover safety…I guess the only thing it changes is if you have a Safety/MLB/DT ranked equally on your draft board in round 1/2 you might step away from the Safety and fill your other needs first…
As FreeBradshaw
has pointed out we can get a good safety in the second round to play alongside KP.
So in the first round in my view it comes down to
McClain – Goff may have the potential but this guy could be very good.
OT – make use of the 15th pick to get Campbell, Bulaga if available
DL – be it Price, Morgan etc
Trade down with a view to an extra second in 2010 or an extra first in 2011.
by G Fan in England on Feb 23, 2010 7:09 AM EST up reply actions
Don't disagree at all...
so hopefully we can find a trade partner, trade down and get ourselves some extra picks and bolster a number of areas and not zero in on a specific position just because it’s the ‘popular’ thing to do…
Trade down
would be the last choice or maybe tied with DL.
In my view two good players are not necessarily better than one great player.
Now I am not saying that Campbell etc may be great – but I would rather have what is considered one top tier OT than two mid tier players at whatever position.
Trade down if all 5 of those players I have listed have been picked and the next player on the board will still be there in 5 picks time.
by G Fan in England on Feb 23, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
Medical team
They aren’t going to tell me anything even if I could contact them. TC or JR would speak to those things, and you know they would be vague.
Free agency and the draft will tell us everything we need to know about the injured guys.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 23, 2010 7:23 AM EST up reply actions
don't ask me how I know...
but, Ronnie Barnes is extremely encouraged by the progress of both Andre Brown and Kenny Phillips. Brown has progressed to the point where they are having to hold him back from starting to cut on that ankle. KP is still held back from running, but the surgery has yielded some promising results via imaging(MRI). The thought is that the only thing that will hinder his full recovery is the mental aspect as is the commonly the case with knee surgeries.
I haven’t been too worried about KP due to the little tid bits I get fed to me occasionally.
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Thanks
We know you know people……..
That is why I feel a safety in round 1 is overkill – yes KP and Thomas would be nice and say an LB and OT in rounds 2 and 3, but not as nice as say OT Campbell in round 1, N Allen in round 2 and a LB/DL in round 3.
by G Fan in England on Feb 23, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
Actually, I know one (current)person and it's like pulling teeth sometimes
but I’ve done alot of favors in my day. Sometimes it pays off, although I’d rather be compensated in a more beneficial way. Maybe I can weasel some clubhouse access someday.
I’m betting that we get some veteran help at the Safety and Mike Linebacker spots. The safeties need veteran presence more than the LB’s as they are a pretty young group. I’m not totally in agreement, but the staff seems pretty interested in Dansby. The money issue will probably end that fantasy. We just don’t overpay for talent, especially when it is getting close to 30 years old. We will make a run at the available Safeties. Rolle and Sharper will get a serious look. Sharper would be a good one year deal, even at his age, with an option for a second. That way we would be able to get a kid like Major Wright or Myron Rolle and coach him up over a year.
We can’t forget what a great influence Sam Madison was on our secondary. Sharper would be a good tutor for whoever we have at the position.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Bring in Sharper
The Giants safeties were a disaster last year. They cannot count on KP being 100%. I would love it if Giants signed Sharper for 1 year with an option for a 2nd and drafted Myron Rolle in the 2nd or 3rd round. Sharper would give us a play maker in the secondary and he could work with KP and Rolle until the are ready to take over as play-makers. The the Giants could draft an DT or Linebacker in the first round.
"TC or JR would speak to those things"
Ed: How’s Andre Brown doing?
Coughlin: He’s got a leg. We’ll see.
Ed: Will he be ready for mini camp?
Coughlin: What did I say? We’ll see.
Interesting.
Like you say Ed, kinda got take agents words with a grain of salt. I guess we’ll know for sure how much TC and JR are confident in him coming back before training camp.
I don’t think there’s much doubt in my eyes that with just AB and Jake on the roster, they cannot go in with just Danny Ware and Gartrell Johnson. That would be stupid.
But of Andre Brown is 100%…there may not be any reason to draft anyone or sign anyone, unless of course they’d be drafting him with the intention of canning the top 2 guys…as they are as tired as I am of them never making it through a whole season.
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
ahem
told you Wilfork was an impossibility… you know who you are…
Anyway hope Brown turns into something… so FB can take his mancrush poster of Spiller down ;)
You play to win the game!
I Assume this is for me!!
I ignore no topic on this site, if its posted i comment on it, it was a long shot but i just said he would be great in our scheme, Ed said he is strictly 34 so i said he would be excellent and to my point the pats still didnt pay him, they just tendered him so no one else can get him but he doesnt want a franchise tag he wants a 6 yr deal he is very young and i do think the pats would take the 2 first rounders and let him go reluctantly………….the only two teams i could see doing this are the cheifs and broncos tho, and u see the relationship btw those 3 teams. all in all wilfork will probably be a patriot even tho i dnt think he wants to be…. in the words of the immortal Randy Moss “the patriots dont really pay”
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Errr, I think that is the pats intention
to use the franchise tag only to give them more time to get a good deal in place, similar to what we did with Jacobs last year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 23, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
I think the jury is still out on Brown..We can only hope and will know for sure..
When he shows what he has in camp.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
listening to agents
Is about akin to listening to a Kim jong il spokesperson. I wouldn’t believe either.
I do hope brown is close to 100%, but I highly doubt hell be at full speed at any time next season.
by wilddre22 on Feb 23, 2010 9:15 AM EST via mobile reply actions
AGENTS!!
Yes you do have to take them with a grain of salt but remember its been a while he injured himself a long time ago, he is young and they do have a great medical staff. Also i dnt think the agent would make such a bold statement knowing that the giants medical staff knows the truth plus i dnt see why he would be falsely speaking up brown because brown is under contract and reese really wants to give the young man a chance. its not like reese is going to release him
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Yeah Ed, it might take you 9 months to a year to recover from an achilles surgery but these guys are proffessionals
you hear doctors repeatedly say how much faster they heal compared to regular people.
I wouldn’t put it out of the question for Brown to be running already.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 23, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions
i hear you but...
i would just prefer to look pessimistically at injuries after seeing how it affected so many athletes including our own (Osi). Anything that ends a season raises a red flag for me. The same applies to Jay Alford, i’m keeping my expectations low for him as well.
One other thing about Browns injury. it was to his achilles, which for a running back, is maybe the most important part of his body(that and the knees) If it were like a broken arm, or something that he doesn’t necessarily need, i’d feel a lot better.
also we don’t have a body of work to hold up showing what A. Brown is capable of. it’s not like he can put up whatever numbers he will next year and we can chalk it up to an injury return season. he has no pedigree for jerry reese to hold his hat on, so i hope AB can put together a halfway decent season, so as to not get his walking papers. i’m rooting for him, because i like his running style, and he carries my good name!
Alot is riding on Browns health
How the Giants approach the draft and there strategy are in question right now…..(besides the fact that this will be a top heavy draft for the defense…..I feel). I would much rather see the Giants drafting a OL than having to draft another RB if Brown cant go. The suspense and all the speculation is killing me. At least free agency isnt too far off so we can start getting some answers here.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 23, 2010 10:03 AM EST reply actions
I'm hoping they go Oline instead of RB in every round they are given the chance
If our Oline is elite even a UDFA RB would look good behind them.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 23, 2010 10:18 AM EST up reply actions
Tape Review
After doing my own studying of players and not just listening to what the “scouts” and so called “professionals” say , i have come to the conlusion that I would actually rather brandon Spikes over McClain even tho McClain would be great also if he falls to 15. I say this because after watching both of their highlights and low lights i can clearly see that spikes gives more effort than Mcclain. spikes also has more of a mean streak wchich is the #1 giants need lol, spikes also to me is better in coverage and makes more game changing and or sealing plays. Spikes also was used as a standup edge rusher in nickle situations another plus……. where Mcclain beats spikes is intelligence and its not by much Mcclain is more of a coach on the field but i believe spikes is not far behind that and he is more of a motivator and that say alot that a guy can be seen as a leader and a motivator even while playing with Tim Tebow.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Tape Review # 2
Brian Pryce
This is going to be a difficult choice for Reese, spikes, Pryce or earl thomas……Pryce was made for our defense he has sapp like ability when u see him on tape. Thomas wows u with every play and his effort this coupled with the theory that spikes might be there in rd 2 gives us a dilemma….. I would go with spikes as i said previously, this man plays run and pass but dammit if pryce and thomas are available as well our draft room is gonna have more arguments in it than ever before…… in the words of mike mayock this is the “best defensive draft in a very long time”
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I don't like Thomas...
He looks so small and doesn’t tackle well. He doesn’t look too fast on film. Can’t wait to see some numbers from the Combine.
I hate the combine for the most part
The most important part of it is the sit dwn interviews, I could care less who runs the fastest in shorts with no one around or who beches the most it is not an accurate representation of actual football skills ask vernon gholston.
Giant Example:
Bryan Kehl is the strongest LB we had last year in the weight room and A.P. was the weakest however who hits harder when the lights come on????
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
You have to look at entire games
You cannot just look at some highlights and make up your mind based on that. A good editor could make anyone look like a future all-pro if you’re only going by highlights
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 23, 2010 10:19 AM EST up reply actions
Glad you said that
I’ve had to beg, borrow, call in favors and trade my azz off to get copies of game film to watch. I’ve got most of the top players on my board covered, so far and the DVD’s keep coming in the mail.
I don’t see a big difference in effort between McClain and Spikes, but I do see Spikes take plays off. McClain easily gives as much effort as Spikes, but he makes everything look easy due to his size, quickness and general athleticism.
The only hitch I did see in McClain’s game is that he tends to pull guys down alot when tackling, meaning I don’t see as many clock-cleaning hits or mowing guys over from him and I believe he will find it harder to tackle that way at the NFL level. It’s possible that this method lends itself to durability, but I can see pro level players breaking some of the tackles I’ve seen him make.
McClain comes off as a shy, quiet guy and he says that he leads by example rather than being a field general, but it doesn’t look that way on tape. He is constantly communicating before the snap and helps get his teammates into position and changes things up when he makes a read on the offensive alignment. He also revs his guys up.
Spikes has giant attitude on the field and it shows. I saw him take himself out of a few plays due to his aggressive style, but you definitely know when he arrives at the ball. He is explosive, although I think McClain is just as effective, but makes it look so easy that you don’t get the full impact of what he does until you look at it a few times.
Thomas is a very dynamic playmaker, although everything I see of him makes me want to make him a CB.
Price is a high motor guy that is just plain disruptive and shows pretty advanced technique in getting through the line. Wiliams is a total brute that shows surprising athleticism for his bulk.
I could go on, but why go on. You get the point. Highlight reels are just that. Watch a player from the beginning of a game to the end and you have a better idea of what you are getting. You also get a good picture of the discipline and conditioning of a kid that is going to have to make it through an NFL season
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No games as well
I think you took my words too literally, i watched the games but i compared their good and bad plays…..of course i knw u cant watch a highlight tape and get everything…..every one has a good highlight tape duh. I wouldnt be able to gage Mcclains leadership from highlights or spikes’ motivation from highlights so yes i watched games as well
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Plus
even on McClains Highlight reel you can see he doesnt give maximum effort if he did he might be top 5
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Would we have to trade up in the 2nd round to grab Spikes?
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 23, 2010 10:54 AM EST reply actions
Trade up
No, Spikes should fall to the Giants. The Giants still have to find out about the extra pick for losing Ward to Tampa Bay.
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
actually he was the 235th pick of the 2004 draft
by giantblue63 on Feb 23, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions
My bad, you've got to lose more FA's than you sign to get comped
As good a case as any for doing research before repeating what you read.
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And I think that salary has something to do with it
I have never seen a concise and cogent explanation of the system, it always seems like alchemy
by giantblue63 on Feb 24, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely
He is not going to make it past the broncos, and SF, i think SF wants him to replace his older cousin takeo spikes……………could u imagine willis and spikes in the middle it would be over.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Many teams use th combine incorrectly
You should never go to the combine looking for top picks.
But usually a team has to decide between several players that they liked from film or game scouting. If you like 2 or 3 at one position and they go to combine and one guy is much faster or more agile it could swing you in that direction.
Also, its is very useful for guys like Barden, how do you really evaluate his game tape. He looked like Gulliver playing against Lilliputians, with only the Wisconsin game as credible tape. If you liked what you saw, then at the combine you have a chance to WATCH him in some of the agility drills, you get an honest 40 time, you get some measures.
Plus it creates a level playing field. take the 1974 draft.
John Stallworth was one of the top 5 players, maybe the best (though I’d slot him after Lambert). Legend has it the Steelers were one of the few teams to have seen him at Alabama A&M, they requested his film and promptly lost it (in their file cabinet), so a great player was a virtual unknown. It makes a nice story, but the combine makes it a lot harder to hide a guy.
Andre Brown
With Andre Brown coming back or even if the Giants have to wait a whilethey have to think about the draft. I myself would not draft a running back, the team has 2 that could start. If a back is needed go trade or free agent. The Giants need to save the draft picks. I would also try to pick up 2 D-backs from free agency. The Giants should go for Brian Price DT in 1st round, 2nd pick- Brandon Spikes ILB, 3rd pick Nate Allen.
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 11:22 AM EST reply actions
Giants should trade down and out of the 1st round im starting to think...........
Grab a couple extra picks in the 2nd or a high 3rd rouder. Grab Spikes cuz it seems like there is value in the later rounds at DT and safety
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 23, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
Trade down
The Giants could trade down but no farther then the 20th pick in 1st round and get an extea 3rd round pick and still pick Brian Price DT. The Giants can not afford to miss him. If the Giants trade Osi for a first rounder between #’s 16 and 22 and hopefully a later round pick, the 1st round pick should be Earl Thomas FS or Dan Williams DT. The Giants with Price and Williams would look good. 2nd round pick Brandon Spikes ILB/MLB.
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 11:39 AM EST up reply actions
Derrick Ward
Seriously. If I were Reese, I would try and make a deal with Tampa to get Derrick Ward back. First off, TB is terrible and Derrick Wards stock dropped there after signing that FA deal – but I would not blame that on Ward. We already saw what Ward can do. He can run, he can block AND he can catch. As I have said before, I would have kept him over Jacobs in the first place, but that is spilt milk.
In an uncapped year, why not bring back a proven guy that knows our system, that succeeded in our system and can do it all in a part of three back rotation again? It would be win-win for both teams because I can’t believe that TB would want to hold onto him with that deal and would be willing to eat a bit of his contract to recoup some of it.
The only downside i see is that Bradshaw and Jacobs can’t whine about it, they would have to embrace it. But we all saw how they BOTH broke down last year, and Brown is already broken down – I don’t see how they could “blame” the Giants in that regard to try and keep them all healthy. To me, it would be a good move and finalize the RB situation.
I disagree.
The Giants have to solid backs already on the roster in Jacobs and Bradshaw and two potential # 3’s in Brown and Ware. Ward benfited from an amazing O-line in 08’ and you saw what happened to him last yr in Tampa with a weak line. There is nothing really that special about him that would warrant trading away a pick or player at this point. Not to mention taking on his contract. I could have hit those holes that were open in 08’. Thats why we had two 1000 yard rushers that year.
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 23, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions
You would only lose something if he is productive with a conditional pick
You are opposed to sending a conditional draft pick to Tampa, where they would get a 4th rounder if he gained like 1200 yds and nothing if he got cut or under a certain number of carries?
by giantblue63 on Feb 24, 2010 10:16 AM EST up reply actions
Why bother trading for Ward
Why trading for Ward, first it would make the Giants look bad as in making a mistake. 2nd the Giants do not want to pay ward $4 million a year. 3rd the Giants have Andre Brown. 4th Ward did not do that good last year in Tampa. The Giants should go forJared Veldheer OT in the 4th round of the draft and bring in a few undrafted OL players to fight it out with the backups. Also they can bring in 1 or 2 UFA’s to the OL. Other than that draft Zoltan Menhe P / K in the 6th round of the draft he has the strongest leg in college I have seen in years and he does all the kicking and punting the team needs saving a player position. He can boom a 60 yard punt when needed keeping the other team bottled up.
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Brown
I don’t understand the sentiment of “The Giants have Andre Brown”. Yeah, he blew out his achilles and hasn’t played a down in the NFL!! Like Kenny Philips, NOBODY should be counting on Brown or Philips, if they contribute something, then fine. But right now, a running back with a blown out achilles and a safety with arthritis are about as valuable and dependable as a pitcher with a broken arm.
Whats does 4 million dollars a year mean in an uncapped year with a franchise like the Giants making money hand over fist? If management thinks it could help them win, and they are truly comitted to winning a championship, then Ward is more of a sure thing than any ex 4thrd draft pick with a blown out achilles. They should do it. This market is NOT Jacksonville.
And off of last season
Tampa might trade him for a 7th rounder just to shed the contract
by giantblue63 on Feb 24, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
Trade down??
I dont think they will trade down and here is why. Reese and the Giants do not plan on drafting in the top 15 for a long time after this for the past few years we have been in mid to late 20’s. i say we take full advantage of this relatively high pick for such a talented team. we should definetly use our pick or trade up to maybe 12 but not dwn. someone unexpected will fall to us…… i mean who in the world thought Brian Orakpo would slip to #12 and the skins. as long as Al davis has a top pick he will off set the draft by doing something crazy.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
The Raiders select...
Tim Tebow!!! you heard it here 1st
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 23, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Trade Down
The Giants can trade down and still get the player they want and covet Brian Price DT, he has very good upside at the DT position. If Sur was not in this draft Price would be taken between 8 and 12. This year DT is a strong position along with DB. The draft could have the 5 best players at one position say DT but you will not see first 5 picks DT because of need. 3 or 4 will fall. Just like with ILB and OLB most of the time you see them fall into the 2nd and 3rd rounds even with 1st round talent. DB almost never in first round. Giants should trade down to no farther than 20th place and still pick up Brian Price.
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
MY Humble Opinion
I would absolutely take Spikes with our first rd pick, i wouldnt chance losing out on him. the kid is special and those that question his speed i will tell you now the time at the combine will not impress anyone but on the field the kid flies around plus i dnt think you get to start at FLA or the SEC unless you play very fast.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
You wouldnt have to use the 15th pick on Spikes.
Trade down and acquire more picks and you could still grab him. I agree He is a gamer and I dont care what his 40 time was……..he gets to the ball!
by giantsNYrangers on Feb 23, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions
Spikes first round
1st round Brian Price DT and if the Giants trade Osi for a 1st round pick Earl Thomas. The Giants can also trade down to the 20th pick and still grab Price. and get an extra 3rd round pick. Brandon Spikes should be available at the giants 2nd round pick. Inside linebackers most of the time fall into the second to third rounds. 3rd round all D backs. Giants own, one for trading down of 1st pick, and 1 sub pick at end of 3rd for losing Ward last year
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
The only way Osi goes
is if we enter the Peppers bidding wars, which AIN’T GONNA HAPPEN.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I'd trade OSI today
And take what we could get.
Spikes didn't look very quick to the ball when I watched him on TV
Not the best scouting technique, just my 2 cents
Though I did think that he was pretty heady, he seemed to be in the right spot at the right time, but not flying around the field, making me drool.
I think this draft is more about good players than great ones.
by giantblue63 on Feb 24, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely no reason to trade up
with a draft this rich in talent, no matter who we covet. Someone great will fall to us and if our “dream” prospect is not there we will already have a trade partner lined up to sweeten our pot with an extra pick.
In JR we trust!
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+1
And I tend to think this draft is low on star power. Already Lions are putting out word they will trade down.
by giantblue63 on Feb 24, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Giants and the draft
Base the draft on Giants trading down to 20th pick and getting extra 3rd. The Giants trade Osi for a 1st round pick at 16 to 22 plus a 6th round pick. Now Giants get sub pick for losing Ward last year at end of 3rd round. Draft runs like this; 1st round picks Brian Price DT and either Dan Williams DT or Earl Thomas FS according to where pick lands. 2nd pick Brandon Spikes ILB. 3rd round picks between; Nate Allen FS, Donovan Warren CB, Brandon Ghee CB, Chad Jones SS, Sean Lee ILB or Ricky Sapp OLB as available. 4rd round pick Jared Veldheer OT. 5th round pick Major Wright FS or ?, 6th round pick Zoltan Menhe P / K not sure of last name spelling. Could go for a D-END in third round if the Giants trade Osi . Ok this was just a crazy wish list but with the wiggle room on players could work out.
by jerseyjoehaven on Feb 23, 2010 12:09 PM EST reply actions
Way too many ways that plan doesn't work and can fall apart. Keep it simple, Swami.
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Good news
if Andre can come back close to where he was before he got hurt. We need at least two of the young injured (Brown, Alford, Phillips) to return strong.
talent
We need to stock up on some talent. Look at the Eagles O. They have sick talent at the skill position. I am concerned we have a good QB, but avg players around him. Look at the fire that Nix brings. We need FAST skill players. Our backs are not fast enough, I hope Brown can come back and add some speed to the skill position with Nix. Defense we need heart. HEART and SPEED to keep up with the Eagles.
uhm
I wouldn’t agree about that I would say that our WR corps are just as good as the Eagles.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 24, 2010 2:21 AM EST up reply actions
and I would say
The Eagles suck! Hey, can I just get away with that in February on a Giants board? C’mon.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 24, 2010 8:06 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah no
our WR’s are def just as talented as the Eagles if not better. And Manningham is just as fast as Nicks but prob not as explosive.
But I have a solution that Won’t cost a high paying 1st round draft pick. Dexter McCluster!
(feels the rocks wizzing by)
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 24, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
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