Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Brian Price, DT, UCLA
by Ed Valentine on Feb 2, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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PrintBetween now and April's NFL Draft I am going to try to profile, from a New York Giants perspective, as many potential draft picks as I can. I will try to do one a day, though I can't guarantee I will have one every single day.
The profiles will be of players often connected to the Giants in various mock drafts, or guys who logically might fit into what the Giants appear to need.
With that as criteria, there is really one place to start our 'Prospect Profile' series. That would be with UCLA defensive tackle Brian Price -- who was the Giants' No. 1 selection in the first three mock drafts CJ mentioned is his first installment of 'Mock Draft Monday.' By the way, be sure to check for CJ's mock draft summaries every Monday until Draft Day as I'm sure we will see lots of twists and turns as the 'experts' try to gauge what teams will do with their picks.
So, let's move on to discussing Price and why he might -- or might not -- be a good fit for the Giants.
Brian Price Scouting Reports
Price is a 6-foot-3, 300-pound junior who was named Pac 10 Defensive Player of the Year. He has a reputation as a penetrating defensive tackle who can wreak havoc in the backfield.
Here is part of what SB Nation's Mocking the Draft said in its report about Price.
"He is a penetrating force that disrupts both the passing and rushing games because of his consistent ability to break in to the backfield in a blink. There are a lot of these players however that fail to make it big in the NFL because the power game in the trenches is still a vital component. Price needs to strengthen his lower half so that he can hold up against the more physical blockers and play with a better sense of leverage. If he can do that over the early years of his career, he has the ability to evolve in to a top flight defensive tackle at the next level. He will be sought after towards the second half of the first round, mainly by teams looking for a penetrating presence along the interior of their defensive line."
Walter Football had this to say about Price.
"Price is a player I like a lot for teams that need a 3-technique (think a Warren Sapp-type role). He makes a lot of plays and is just flat out dominant at times. He doesn't take many plays off. ... He'll find himself drafted in the top 25 picks. "
Mel Kiper Jr. calls Price a "powerful leverage guy who wreaks havoc along line."
Why Price fits with the Giants
We know how poor the Giants were against the run in 2009. And we know the under-whelming play of the defensive tackles was a huge part of the reason. Fred Robbins and Rocky Bernard are both long-time veterans who have been good players, but don't seem to have much left in the tank. They will likely be gone in 2010. As we have discussed previously, there are questions about the remaining tackles, as well.
There is no question the Giants need to fortify the middle of their defensive line. He could well be the highest-rated defensive tackle on the board when the Giants pick at No. 15, and as of today the selection of Price would be a hard one to argue with.
Why the Giants should pass
The specter of William Joseph. Somehow, reading about and looking at Price thoughts of Joseph keep seeping into my brain.
Depending on what rating services you want to believe, Price is anywhere from the third to fifth-best defensive tackle in the draft. When the Giants selected Joseph 25th in 2003, he was the sixth defensive tackle taken in the first round. It was a copycat 'everyone else is taking a defensive tackle' kind of move, and we all know that it turned out to be a disaster.
This draft is looked at as being rich in quality defensive tackles who could be taken in the first three rounds. Price is, at best, the No. 3 defensive tackle in this draft. Good player or not, the Giants might be able to go elsewhere in the first round and still find a solid defensive tackle available in the second or third round.
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I think you are right...
there should still be quality DTs in the later rounds. If we don’t move up via trade, I think we should take best available S, LB, DT, OL, RB, in that order. The more I think about it, the more I like Earl Thomas, safety, Texas. Being a Husker, I followed the Big 12 a lot. Thomas looked legit when I watched him play. Back to this post, though, I would pass on Price. Maybe I too am still burned from 2003, but if we are going to go DT in the first round, trade up to get the best sure-fire one in the draft. Ed, thank you for doing these. I think they can really be helpful to us. Can you please analyze Earl Thomas next? Also, can you update these post-combine so we can see how they progressed? Thanks!
Post combine
We’ll see how this thing plays out. After the combine stuff changes, of course, so there might be new players to mention. I will get to Thomas, by the way, but I’m not sure about next.
Safety
IMO is our most dire need on defense. If there was a choice between Price and Thomas available then the need plus talent would swing me to take Thomas. I look forward to your posts on possible players for the Giants, Ed. It certainly is nice for someone like me….far to lazy to research the players. Thanks.
We could definitely use him.
I was never really high on Joseph to start with as he seemed to just disappear in games, but I think this guy has wayyyyyyyy more potential as a Giant.
Obviously we are crap-shooting here anyway. I know our run defense was horrible, though. That’s FACT.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Joseph vs. Price
Joseph and Price don’t really compare.
Joseph was drafted high based on potential and not production. He obviously didn’t come close to meeting his potential.
Price is an extremely productive and proven player already. Drafting him would be based on what he has done and not on what we hope he can do.
I like Price a lot, but Mclain (not likely to be there at #15) and Earl Thomas are the guys that I’ve really wanted for awhile. I would be happy with Price if both of those guys are off the board.
The thought of a "Warren Sapp" type DT on the Giants had my mouth watering
But the odds of finding one of those is a 1000 to 1 or worst. We need help elsewhere unless NYG goes on a FA shopping spree. (which we all know ain’t gonna happen)
I want a quality MLB
but a safety is right there. I think a DT can be found later on and still be a contributor.
by brisulph on Feb 2, 2010 9:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
I pretty much agree
I think LB and S are both more important positions in the modern NFL than DT. That said, I really just want the Giants to take the best player available, non-QB/WR/TE/DE. I’m even including RB, b/c if Spiller is there, I’d take him over just about anyone but McClain
2009 Did Not Happen
Spiller
I love Spiller. He is my favorite player and plays for my favorite team. But the Giants should not draft him in the 1st round, in my opinion. He is Leon Washington version 2.0.
I think a 1st round pick is too high for a guy that isn’t an every down back, especially considering that RB isn’t a huge need (although I think it is a need since BJ is wearing down).
I would take McCluster
Only if the Giants trade Osi and get an additional high pick. Spiller will go too high, and I think McCluster would fill a major need for us as a returner and situational player. But again, if the Giants stand pat, I can’t see any reason for them to take an offensive player. The focus needs to be all D.
But, everyone that watches this team has to agree that the days when you sat on the edge of your chair every time a team kicked to Meggett are sorely missed. Right now our special teams blow.
+1000000
But only about McCluster and the focus on D. Don’t think we should trade Osi.
Ppl keep saying “gilbride won’t know what to do with him” which I think is rediculous, but even if he didn’t touch the field on offense, he would be a stud kick/punt returner. Hixon is good but not good enough, and we have no one else!
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 4, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
yep - MLB is #1
Drafting best available athlete is the best strategy – with MLB, then safety and then DT the order of importance in my book.
MLB is the heart of the D. I would even be OK with trading up to get McClain IF he is the sure thing everyone says he is.
That's exactly our order of need, IMO ...
but it’s so important to take value in the first 3 rounds. If the value isn’t there at # 15 for a MLB or S, I’d prefer to go the trading down route, and get an additional pick in the first 3 rounds.
Although, you gotta love the picture on Price. Can’t imagine that guy going clubbing two nights before a big game and shooting himself in the leg. Looks like the on-line-gamer-in-Mom’s-basement-with-a-bag-‘o-Cheetoh’s type.
we need an impact LB
I really hope we dont draft a DT in round 1. I think we need to do all we can to get either Brandon Spikes or preferrably Rolando McClain. I have watched McClain play several times and feel that he is the next Patrick Willis. The kid is a beast and plays sideline to sideline. Spikes is very good as well. The G-Men might have to trade up to get one of these guys but i’m pretty sure we have some extra picks this year. I was upset that we didnt try and trade up to get Patrick Willis, i’ll be furious if we dont lock up one of these two this year.
Willie Joe
His problem wasn’t talent, it was motivation. He never had it, never will. Price doesn’t SEEM to suffer from that affliction, but who knows?
Regardless, I think I’d rather get an impact player at S or MLB, assuming one of the top ones is available.
Priority might not dictate the way to draft
Of course, if McClain or Thomas is there, you have to take him but if he’s not available, then who is the safety or MLB worth the #15 pick? There are MLBs like Daryl Washington, Sean Lee, and Pat Angerer who will be available in the later rounds. There are safeties like Nate Allen, Chad Jones, Morgan Burnett, and Myron Rolle who will be available in the later rounds. I don’t see many quality DTs in the later rounds.
1. Dan Williams or if the Giants’ brass insist, Brian Price
2. Nate Allen or Chad Jones
3. Pat Angerer
or
1. Same as above
2. Daryl Washington
3. Morgan Burnett or Myron Rolle
that's a good point, GD
I hadn’t thought of it that way.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2010 11:10 AM EST up reply actions
It all starts in the trenches.
Let’s not forget that it all starts up front. We were inneffective at the interior of the line, which makes our pass rushers less effective and exposes our linebackers and secondary, especially MLB and Safety positions.
To emphasize my point, in 2008 we got stellar play from our DT’s and we had one of the best defenses in the league. This was with James Butler as our best performing Safety, Aaron Ross admittedly lacking passion for the game, Osi out for the year and AP performing at the lowest level of his career.
Perhaps a clear explanation of the mechanics involved would illuminate the blatancy of need here. When you can get a push from the middle, you collapse the pocket, limiting the QB’s room to move, exposing him to your edge rushers. You also blow up most run plays. By mere necessity, you tie up blockers to keep your LB corps free to attack or drop into short coverage.
Therefore we need the DT position as stacked as possible and not just on paper like last season. Is Canty the answer? I’m happy with Cofield, but Bernard was a big disappointment and Robbins is over. Alford is a great situational and rotation guy, but hardly the answer. I say drop Robbins & Bernard and get the best guy available at #15.
We don’t have a shot Suh or McCoy(no JR will not trade up that high, or at all for that matter), so we have Price or Dan Williams. I would pass on Cody. Williams is immediate impact but has limited upside and Price could use to add 20 lbs.
This is all moot if Rolando McClain is there at 15. We don’t need to reach for Thomas and he is a free safety. We already have something special in Phillips, provided he returns healthy. Anything else we can trade down and do fine in rd 2.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
These words worry me:
There are a lot of these players however that fail to make it big in the NFL because the power game in the trenches is still a vital component.
Adding 20-30 lbs of muscle in the lower body won’t impact his speed and agility? And then what happens to all of those plays behind the line of scrimmage?? Are they gone too?
Warren Sapp played at 300-305 with tremendous power. I think the question is can Price learn the demands of the position. In college if you are that size and agile, you will win most of the battles. Not so in the NFL.
I would rather see him play fast and attacking at 305 than heavy and slow at 330. If the Giants draft him, I hope they turn him loose on every play, attacking, not even try to turn him into a run stuffer.
20 lbs.....
on a 300lb kid is not that much and who said it would have to be in his lower body? The thing any college tackle has to develop is hands and technique, so upper body is very big. If you don’t work your hands, any, and I mean ANY, Pro O-lineman is going to lock onto you and shut you down and out of plays. If you can get into the body of a lineman, you can stand him up and leverage him out of your way. If you can get outside of an Offensive Lineman’s shoulders you are home free.
You also do not have to be a “run stuffer” type to blow up run plays. Simply by penetrating you cause the line to have to adjust to you, freeing others up and occupying blockers that would normally take your LB’s out of a play.
Ideally, you would want 4 guys up front that the other team would feel the need to double team, and we all know that’s not possible. Regardless, all games are won or lost in the trenches, and we did not play “gap sound” defense last year because we could not maintain a front.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
The souting
report commented on his excellent upper body strength, so my assumption is that the weight will have to be elsewhere (but if he is already muscular, even upper body extra could hurt his performance)
I agree about technique and that is what I meant by the demands of the position
I’ll also re-iterate that at 300 lbs he should be able to play with power.
If it is going to be an attacking Tampa style, Price’s quickness would fit in well.
You gotta wonder ...
why something simple like this wouldn’t have already been addressed in the weight program at the college level. Some guys have naturally skinny or thick legs, butt (Boothe) etc.
I think
that scouts want to give an answer for everything, otherwise all of these guys would be heading straight to Canton.
If Earl Thomas is off the board
Price or Dan WIlliams would be good choices.
Tho if we’re going smallish, fast, high motor DT’s….it kinda is a waste of a 1st rounder to get someone like Price when there’s similar talents in Jared Odrick, Mike Neal, Tyson Alualu Lamarr Houston, D’Anthony Smith, Earl Mitchell, even Geno Atkins.
Price doesn’t give you anything these others can’t.
Given this, the volume of S’s and LB’s in the middle rounds…if someone like Anthony Davis OT is on the board…get him. Maybe even Iupati.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I would hardly call 300 lbs "smallish"
After living in Los Angeles for the past 2 years, I’ve watched far more PAC-10 football than I ever would have imagined. As a fan of hard-hitting defensive football, being able to watch Brian Price every Saturday has been an absolute delight – the guy is an animal out there, regularly commanding double teams and still finding his way into the backfield. He would absolutely fit into that aggressive Giants defense mold that we have grown to love. I agree with those who feel that MLB and S are bigger needs for this team, but unless we can end up with Eric Berry, McClain, or Earl Thomas, I would absolutely LOVE to have Price on the Giants, as he’s exactly the kind of disruptive DT that will make teams pay if they try to double up Tuck, Osi, or Kiwi. Oh, and Price is WAY more of an impact player than the underperforming Taylor Mays.
by BeastOfNFCEast on Feb 2, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
I like Price...
but I say he’s “smallish” cuz the other alternative at #15 is Dan WIlliams…who outweights him by about 30lbs and is a bit taller.
Dan Williams is in the mold of BJ Raji of last year. There is no one like Williams in the draft. He didn’t do pass rush, cuz he wasn’t asked to.
In the senior bowl practices and game…Williams showed he can be a disruptive force in the passing game.
There’s plenty of other DT’s like Price; all the dude’s I mentioned all are “small” quick disruptive types.
I’d take Price in a second if he was there…but if Williams and Earl Thomas are there..Giants are gonna have to make a decision (maybe trade back 3 spots and pick up a 3/4?)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I like Suh
But, if we have to settle, I would rather have Williams over price. The Giants have typically had these “athletic” tackles – but has anyone seen the Pro Bowl?
Wilfork – Hampton – Ngata – these guys are all impact players for great teams that look like they ate Detroit. Back in the day when guys were not fully on Roids, Jim Burt served the same purpose at maybe 265 and that worked out pretty well for us.
And I'm glad those who want to trade up
and with this year’s picks or next years picks are not the Giants GM.
Chicago and Carolina will tell you trading the next year’s picks is pretty much draft suicide.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
it worked out alright in 2004/2005
Eli Manning, Corey Webster, Justin Tuck, Brandon Jacobs
2009 Did Not Happen
Franchise QB is different.
Whole lot different then a MLB (McClain) or a S (Berry).
There’s plenty of MLB’s in this draft that can lead a D (Angerer, Washington..hell, Spikes) or make plays in the secondary ( Jones, Burnett, Thomas..hell…Taylor Mays) that is worth trading up for.
None of these guys is a Franchise QB, which is the only thing you trade up for.
…didn’t work out so good for the Saints and Ricky Williams?
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
works well 4 the jets mangold, revis , greene, to name a few.
buuuut i would not trade up. stand pat or trade down in this deep def draft.
The Jets still had a pick in the 2nd round
as well as their 3rd rounder, when they moved up for Mangold.
And yes..they got Revis, Green and Sanchez the past couple years….wait till 2010 when they suck balls cuz they have no infusion of young non-rookie talent.
You don’t trade picks if you want to have continued success. Unless you’re getting a Franchise QB (which the Jets did) and/or you have more then your own 7 picks (Which the Jets also did…in the case of moving up for Mangold).
You don’t do it..unless you’re trading back.
If we were talking about last year, when the Giants had the 2nd and 5th from the Shockey trade, as well as the 3rd round compensatory pick from Derrick Ward leaving…then OK, trade up.
I dunno if the Giants are making any trades of players..nor do I know if any of their RFA’s will be signed giving hte GIants extra picks (it could happen, there’s teams with plenty of extra 2nd and 3rd round picks taht would go to the GIns for signing thier RFA’s.
As it stands, with their own 7 picks…trading up is a dumb idea, even if its 6 spots for McClain.
Cuz its gonna cost their 1st, 2nd and 4th ( and even dumber is trading next year’s picks because usually its a round earlier then the value is for the current draft).
..and even dumber, is saying that next year’s draft is weak.
The 2005 draft was “weak”. The GIants got Webster Tuck and Jacobs out of that draft. Tell that to Ernie Accorsi that there’s ever been a “weak draft” in existence.
There’s dumb GM’s and coaches that make drafts suck…..not bad drafts.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
yes we do.
my bone..I went on a tangent, it really wasn’t directed at you.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Trade Up and Get Suh
I’d give up this years #1 AND next years #1, plus Osi for the best DT prospect in many decades.
And we would have a better team. Sign me up for GM. Whats suicide about it? It worked with Eli and lets see – ummm – we won a Championship? Put Suh in there now while we have a good core, and I say we get another in this window. The NFC is there for the taking.
Franchise DT is not a franchise QB.
Not even close. I’ve said repeatedly trading up for a QB is the right thing. Trading up for a MLB or a DT is not.
What you say would be indeed suicide, and I hope the Cowboys or Redskins do it (the Eagles probably can do it with all their picks this year..maybe not next year’s #1…)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Matt Mosely
with ESPN keeps linking Taylor Mays with the Giants in the first round. Does that really piss anybody else off? I can’t think of a stupider pick than him. Not only would it be a huge reach at #15, but he is exactly what we don’t need. A big safety that can hit, but can’t cover, takes bad angles on the ball, and is almost guaranteed to become a bust.
yea, of all the "realistic" picks the Giants might make
Taylor Mays would be the absolute worst
2009 Did Not Happen
Taylor Mays is Overrated
I guess nobody watched the senior bowl drills where he looked big, lumbering and slow.
WAAAAY overrated in my opinion. He will get torched in pass coverage, he’s just not fast/quick enough.
As a UCLA fan (and USC hater)
I have to tell you this kid is good. I wouldn’t mind if the Colts picked him up. He has alot of speed and can get in the backfield so fast.
"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007
Art Jones
mocking the draft has a run down on him here. He is under the radar but has a ton of upside. Good value pick.
It's all about the middle.
Someone had an insightful post yesterday that said our defensive troubles start with the decline of Fab Five Freddy Robbins. I wholeheartedly agree. If you’re an opposing OC, you see a diminished Robbins in front of a diminished AP in front of a Kenny Phillips-less secondary. So you run up the gut and throw over the middle all day, daring the Giants to stop you. This makes the ends look bad because they simply can’t get to the QB in time to stop quick throws over the middle. And it makes the secondary look bad because…well, the secondary is bad. But whatever you do in the draft, you’ve got to address the middle of the field.
Now, knowing that Phillips’ injury is congenital and he may never be the same, you have to look at Texas S Earl Thomas really hard. But you also have to know he probably won’t be there at 15.
So the next thing you do is look at a replacement for Fab Five Freddy. Now, Jay Alford will be back, but probably at about 80%, so you really want some impact there. If Brian Price is as advertised, he’d be great, and probably even worth picking at 15. (Although I think he’d still be there at 20 or so.) An interior DT who can get after the QB is worth his weight in gold. Think Haynesworth in his prime. But also think really hard about trading down. Because if you can’t get Price, you can still likely get Tennessee DT Dan Williams, or Penn State DT Jared Odrick.
Now we’ve got two picks in the second, and we’ll assume we’ve taken care of our DT needs. We still need an MLB bad, and a safety. Assuming we don’t stumble into McClain, we’re looking at Brandon Spikes, (who I like although some of you don’t,) Brandon Graham, Pat Angerer. Spikes is worth a high two. The others might be a reach there, but Perry is high on them, I say ok. I’d use that late “two” on Myron Rolle. I love his smarts and work ethic. His game needs coaching, but he’s very coachable.
In the third, you start looking for OL steals. My advice would be to look at Cal, Michigan, Wisconsin, Hawaii, and if Pouncey from Florida’s around, pick him up. Below that, we hoover up RBs, CBs, and BPAs.
I’m ready! Let’s draft!
I left my swagger in my other pants.
2 Picks in the 2nd?
I think that was last year.
it was a hypothetical
But also think really hard about trading down. Because if you can’t get Price, you can still likely get Tennessee DT Dan Williams, or Penn State DT Jared Odrick.
Now we’ve got two picks in the second
Awaiting the draft :/
by I_Formation27 on Feb 2, 2010 2:20 PM EST up reply actions
OK
I get it, its assuming that we will get the extra 2nd by trading down, so that would mean picking around 25.
Odrick will most likely be there at 25, but he might be there at 57 too. Williams and Price both could be gone by 25.
at #25
it would be a lot easier to justify someone like Sean Weatherspoon…or even Spikes at that point is less of a risk.
I like Price..I really do, but there’s plenty of other DT’s that can be solid ballers for the Giants, so I’d rather trade back and get 2 2nd’s then worry about Price sliding to #25
(if he does…that’s incredible)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Brandon Graham's probably not a possibility...
I’d love to get him..but the latest he’s going is to Indy (to groom and be in rotation with Freeny and Mathis).
Graham could go #11 overall to the Dolphins actually…I always see mocks with then getting an OLB, and Graham it seems has skyrocketed himself to the top of the 3-4 OLB list.
That’s a little high for Angerer tho…at least it seems so right now. The highest I’ve seen him going was the late 3rd or early 4th, but most of the time its the 4th.
Spikes would be just fine in the 2nd round..tho he too, I can see being gone in the early 2nd or late 1st.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
If Spikes
slides to Giants pick in 2nd I’ll be thrilled, I don’t think he is a Pro Bowl guy, but he is a solid starter.
That's assuming we trade down.
…which I really think we should do. Maybe we could get rid of Moss!
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Why would the team
need a pick in the UFL draft?
I'm a UCLA student
And I have to say… Brian Price is a beast. If he wasn’t in the Pac-10, which gets no media love, I swear he’d be up on the highlight reels after every game. Now he’s no Suh, but he’s still pretty damn good.
my ideal draft
would be
1st.S Earl Thomas(beast)
2nd.DT Arthur Jones(He is under the radar and very good at run stoping)
here is some info on him
http://www.giantsgab.com/2010/01/26/prospect-profiles-dt-arthur-jones-syracuse/
3rd.ILB Micah Johnson (ripped and great at tackleing)
http://www.giantsgab.com/2010/01/29/prospect-profiles-ilb-micah-johnson-kentucky/
by hotshot5568@aim.com on Feb 2, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions
I'd go for that.
Realistically…it could actually be Micah in the 2nd and Jones in the third.
Jones is falling b/c of others improving their draft stock in addition to some injury questions.
Micah’s gonna rise up the boards, but he’s a legit MLB who probably is a better MLB prospect then Brandon Spikes (he plays for Kentucky instead of the Gators…hype is very annoying…)
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Jones
I think its the injury mostly, he isn’t a great pursuit guy and he is getting his ACL done, that’s a warning siren.
(I still think they may shock people taking an OL if one they love is sitting there)
its a lot like Tuck actually...
Tuck was always hurt at ND (he’s usually hurt with the NYG’s too…) so that’s why he fell to the 3rd.
I agree, they could go OL.
There’s only one position that they must come up with a player at…and that’s Safety. Every other position they have players on the roster..but not safety.
If there’s no first round safeties…don’t draft one. If Earl Thomas is one..get em. If somehow JR picks up on something that makes Taylor Mays worth the #15 (maybe Pete Carrol wasn’t putting him in his best position to succeed?), then get him.
But if not, then its BPA for everything else (except WR/QB/TE).
OL, DT, DE (yes..DE), LB, CB (yes..CB), RB…..everything is in play. Whoever is a bonafide star to JR at any one of those positions…go get em.
Maybe Mel Kiper’s right? If Carlos Dunlap is more Mario Williams or Julius Peppers then he is Calais Campbell…then get him.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
The more I see of Mays
the less I like him. He doesn’t use his arms at all! He just hits people with his shoulder pads. Actually, you know where he’d be a great fit? The Rangers. Somebody call Sather.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I know..
I can’t stand Mays…and anyone who mocks him to the Giants is immediately a fool to me.
Its just, kinda like Carlos Dunlap…the potential there is immense. Is Kiper an idiot for mocking him to the Giants?
Someone like Dunlap…guys like Peppers and Mario Williams unquestionably took plays off for their college teams. It was well documented.
Its just, after the interviews and more was know about who these guys actually are…they were well worth the #1 or #2 overall picks weren’t they?
Dunlap will probably never go that high just because of that DUI incident…but it doesn’t mean he has any less talent then Peppers or Williams.
Mays is probably the same way. Sean Taylor (RIP) is a lot like Mays. Laron Landry too (probably a reason not to take him…)
I’ll trust in JR and Coughlin on Mays.
I don’t like him…but if JR drafts him…I think you can bet on success for him. JR doesn’t screw these draft things up.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
No to Jones in the 2nd round
Arthur Jones has had two surgeries in the last two seasons. He’s certainly a talented DT but I wouldn’t take him before the 3rd round. The Giants have had too many injury issues to take chances on him earlier than that.
it was really an offseason thing.
The peck injury was during workouts, and he played in 2009 with the peck injury, and was damn good all year.
The knee…that’s what hurt him, but I’m pretty sure he could’ve played in the senior bowl (or the East-West Shrine game?) but didn’t.
So the knee’s fine, and he seems to heal quite quickly.
I hope it does drop him to the third round. He played a lot of nose tackle at 6"4 295lbs, still making plays, so its obvious he’s got excellent strength.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
When has trading down worked out for the Giants?
I can’t think of a good example. Trading up or staying put is usually the best bet. There will a very good player at S/LB/DT at #15 and the Giants would do well to sit there and grab the guy they like best. If they absolutely love someone that is there at #11 but may go in the next pick or two then make a move up.
they traded down for Kiwanuka
from #25 to #32. They picked up Pittsburgh’s 3rd and 4th rounders…tho they got Wilkenson and Guy Whimper.
Pretty bad draft overall for the Giants, it included Sinorice Moss too…tho they got Cofield and Kiwi out of it, so it wasn’t a waste.
But going by draft history doesn’t justify anything. There’s not telling if it works out the same way or different.
Bottom line, the team has too many needs to trade up.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
and the biggest need they have
safety, is something that you can trade down for as a I doubt all of the top 4-5 safeties go in the top 25 or so.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Yeah, and I think they traded one of those picks and their # 2 ...
to move up in the 2nd round to get Moss, so that sucked.
Also, didn’t we trade up to get Will Allen ? He certainly wasn’t a world-beater.
trading up/down
The most consistent teams of this decade have been the Colts and Pats. The Colts stay in their spot. The Pats are always trading down or into next year’s draft with more picks.
The Jets have gotten lucky with Harris and Greene. And Keller. Sanchez was a necessity, you make sacrifices to get a good QB. But as Free mentioned above, they have no depth. Gholston is their most experienced backup linebacker on the squad. Their third WR caught less than one ball a game. Their backup DLs and OLBs had one sack total.
The Giants traded up for Manning. But was that a good move? Thankfully the Raiders picked Gallery, that would have been my move. But after that, I would have traded down for Roethlisberger. Teams were hungry for Taylor and Winslow, among others. I think we could have traded down twice that year.
Earl Thomas is kind of overated
Nothing about him screams “i’m a great player”
he was just another decemt player on the star studded texas defense
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 2, 2010 8:48 PM EST reply actions
What?????
how can you say that Earl Thomas is overated he is a ball hawk he had 8 into last year
by hotshot5568@aim.com on Feb 2, 2010 9:41 PM EST up reply actions
YES.
Texans have a lot of good players (Demeco Ryans, Mario Williams, many more) as to the Packers (Nick Barnett).
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Personally
I am big fan of the Giants taking Myron Rolle wherever it is necessary to get him.
This guy Price looks like a giant librarian..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
When they traded down to draft Kiwi I was so upset.
Sitting @ # 25 without a single WR selected yet and they trade down. Oh the horror….
And then up to get Moss. Ouch!
Santonio Holmes looked pretty good catching the winning TD in last years SB.
I like Kiwi but…
I like Santonio too...
not as much as DeAngelo Williams.
Even worse…Kiwi was the #32 pick, but the 1st 3 picks of the 2nd round were Demeco Ryans, D’Qwell Jackson and Rocky McIntosh.
3 very..very..very good LB’s either on the weakside (Rocky) or MLB (Ryans) or 3-4 ILB.
They did have Antonio Pierce tho. They also had Plax and Toom.
Strahan was getting old, and they had no idea what Justin Tuck was.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Fair enough
but not often do you get an opportunity for the 1st WR off the board @ 25.
I guess my poing is that moving down or up is a crap shoot at best. Do your homework and pick when your turn comes unless there is someone you feel so strongly about or a franchise QB is needed..as stated above.
I agree...
yet, wouldnt it be plausible that they did their HW and thought that Sinorice Moss could be just as good as Holmes? Sounds like stupidity now, but I don’t think it was off base then.
I guess its just, when you trade up..you put too many eggs in one basket. Its all a crap shoot, absolutely, but when you trade back, that gives you more time to throw crap and see if it sticks.
Also..when you trade back, it gives you the opportunity to trade up in the middle rounds and target someone, kinda like they did with Ramses Barden last year
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
It also gives you worse crap to throw
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 4, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
with JR...
no, it doesn’t.
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