Trade Kiwi and Manningham?
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 18, 2010 1:58 PM EST
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PrintDepending on the compensation which would more than likely be a high #1, maybe. We could get Sergio Kindle and Chad Jones in the first round, maybe maybe not. But think of the posibilities by adding two players like that! Yound, atheletic, fast, hard hitting, intense and proven. Why do I say proven? Kindle played in the Big 12, and Jones in the SEC! Kindle is almost the same player as Brian Orakpo except not as strong but not many people are. He is faster and just as big. Jones is talented and has potential he is big and fast. What do ya'll think?
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Manningham has been ultra productive compared to any other 3rd reciever option we have
Hixon
Hagan
Moss
Nobody knows what Barden can bring yet.
Call me crazy but 822 yards, 5 TDs and a 14.4 yards per catch average is NOT expendable by any means. Next season there will probably be TWO 1 thousand yard recievers or at least 3 with 900+ yards with the SS/Nicks/Ham combo.
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 19, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I don’t understand the logic in trading away assets to patch up other holes.
Keep the assets…cuz they help you.
There’s this draft thing and FA. Use that.
If Manningham was going to be a FA and we couldn’t pay him? Sure! Trade him.
….He’ll be a third year player on his rook deal. It makes no sense to trade such a cheap, productive player.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 19, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
he was already being fazed out at the end of last year.
n trust this. they know rams will be a beast. he may sniff 500 yards if lucky. ss 1000,nicks 950yards, rams 600. boss 500yards, ham 450…
Fazed out after his 2nd season?
Manningham didn’t even have a rookie training camp. His first season was a complete wash. Unlike Smith, who was also injured as a rookie, he didn’t have a playoff run to build upon.
Out of all 2nd-year WRs, here is where Manningham ranked in 2009:
3rd in receptions
2nd in yards
2nd in yards per game
2nd in TDs
1st in 1st-down % of WRs with at least 25 rec.
2nd (tied) in 20+ yards rec.
The only two 2nd-year WRs who beat or were close to MM in any category were DeSean Jackson (Philly) and Earl Bennett (Chicago). Both Jackson and Bennett had 15 starts while Manningham got his numbers in just 10 starts.
So this is the guy that will be fazed out and you want to trade? Smart.
All those numbers
He got them even with his drops and issues with the sidelines. So he can’t improve? Smith had 7 drops in his 2nd year and MM had 10 drops. Just 3 more drops and he’s not worth keeping? Right.
HAM had 6 catches for 87 yards in that horrible Carolina game.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 19, 2010 6:53 PM EST up reply actions
that's incredible if he's Eli's last option.
The NYG’s are all about Eli Manning…so, it’d be kinda dumb to get rid of his weapons.
Why would anyone not want to surround Eli with as many weapons as possible?
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 19, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
can you say injury prone?
saying ham, as you like to call him, can stay healthy. which he has already proven he cannot so far in his young career. can you say sinorice moss? all the speed and potential in the world………..can’t stay healthy. here we are in his what 5th year and he never played a full year. as deep as this draft is on the defensive side extra draft picks would be alot more useful than an oft injuried receiver and a defensive end that has tendency to be ghostly, as in he disappears often for weeks,
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 21, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions
What?
HAM completed his 2nd year. 2010 will be his 3rd year.
Sinorice Moss never had a season where he caught 57 balls for 822 yards.
Actually, Sinorice moss doesn’t even have that in his career.
HAM was basically a rookie this year. If he say..stays in bounds a few plays, you’re looking at a 60+ catch 950yd receiver, maybe more.
Please know what your talking about first.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 12:39 PM EST up reply actions
check your info
didn’t he miss a few games this year and yea this is basically his rookie year cause he missed his real rookie year duh…..besides i was only pointing out the obvious and ok maybe not injury prone but soft for sure. he did have good numbers which is why the return on him would be higher duh……i will give you this IF he does stay healthy and reach his potential he will be big for us. that is a big IF though isn’t it? IF he doesn’t then what?
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 21, 2010 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
read closer
i was refering to sinorice not having played a full your and being in what his 5th year. sorry you misread.
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 21, 2010 7:18 PM EST up reply actions
Sinorice Moss is gone. He’s useless, and the Giants would be lucking to receive a can of paint to line the fields with for him.
Moss has no numbers.
HAM does. We ain’t trading HAM. Period.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 7:28 PM EST up reply actions
You're not making any sense
Manningham played in 15 games games this season. He was injured as a rookie and missed training camp. By the time he was healthy, he hadn’t the training and practices that every rookie needs to be successful. He was so far behind that he just couldn’t catch up in the middle of the year. Smith was injured as a rookie. So were Nicks and Sintim. Tuck was on IR in his 2nd season. I supposed you would’ve traded him too.
Young vets with high upside for unproven rookies
What’s the point? These guys have already proven to be solid NFL players and they’re young enough where they could still become elite. As we all learned this year, depth is underrated. Plus isn’t Kindle a 3-4 rush linebacker? Doesn’t make sense.
i see where your coming from
using pieces from our 2 strong spots as far as depth is concerned. i won’t be as quick to poo poo your idea as fast as others, simply because it will become an issue at wideout if ramses ever does pan out to what we want him to be. there will be an odd man out in that scenario. and if i had to choose that odd man i’d much rather give up “The Man” than the pharoah, SS, or big nicks.
i don’t know much about the players you speak of, but if the trade got us a high 1 or a 2 and a 3, i’d do it. draft picks are very valuable in the NFL. look at it this way: we could possibly then flip those picks into moving up for the golden child: McClain.
wow who would have to go..
if it worked out perfectly for us and ramses and mario both turn into 85-90 madden ratings (big xbox guy) along with SS12 and Nicks both up there who would we let go???
nicks and SS as 1 and 2 wr. which is better for 3? the shifty speedy manningham or the overwhelming size of ramses.
pretty good problem to have
Is it baseball season yet??
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 18, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions
no idealy ramses would be 1 nicks 2 and smith 3
smith is great in the slot where he almost always lines up he would be the number 3 reciever and we would use alot of 3 receiver sets
by shenkthetank592 on Feb 19, 2010 1:24 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
look at welkers numbers 2 years ago when he was officially the 3 and stallworth the 2 they were still rediculous numbers
by shenkthetank592 on Feb 19, 2010 1:32 AM EST up reply actions
and...
look at Steve Smiths numbers as a #1, he set the Giants single season reception record, by over 20 catches
I understand what Shenk is saying
By numbering 1-2-3 that’s not to say prioritizing. Welker led the NFL in receptions as a 3. I think he means 1 = deep threat burner & star 2 = mid-range threat 3 = slot
It’s like his reference to the Pats ’07 big 3, or even our own Plax/Toomer/Smith setup of a few years ago
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 19, 2010 7:41 AM EST up reply actions
Only problem with barden1 nicks2 smith3 then..
is the fact that ramses isnt very fast. maybe the slowest of all the current wrs. of course being 6’6 helps a lot but if the nubmer one is supposed to be the burner/star, i would be leaning towards nicks or dare i even say manningham in that role.
agree with smith in the slot tho.. welker 2.0
Is it baseball season yet??
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 19, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Numbering WRs is silly
It only matters who is on the field, and there is no way Smith will lose many snaps as long as he is Eli’s most trusted weapon.
If Barden emerged I’d say go 4 wide, especially in a no huddle after kick off.
Catch the opposition without enough DBs and run 3 plays without letting them sub. (or force a TO or penalty).
Every edge, baby, every edge.
by giantblue63 on Feb 19, 2010 10:43 AM EST up reply actions
only problem with that comparison is...
the pats didn’t have a running game. we have 2 pieces still from the top NFL running team, 1 year removed. so the pats had the luxury of lining up 3 and 4 wide moreso than lining up in an I or 2-back formation.
i personally wouldn’t mess with the 1-2, it worked this year, leave it as is. like someone said, smith set records as a starter; why fix what’s broke? Nicks is really our future no. 1, i think he has a little of everything of what it takes to be it. Decent size, decent speed, HUGE hands, and the ability to break the 1 or 2 tackles it takes to take one to the house.
I would prefer Ramses the 3, but that’s just a personal preference. Honestly, if mario can get his head on straight when it comes to route running, he has just as much talent if not more than anyone else on the team. he’s probably the quickest receiver(maybe hixon) and he’s a slippery fella. so honestly i wouldn’t be mad whoever was 3, but that goes back to the point of the thread starter: one man will be expendable. we can’t carry 4 and expect all there production to stay high. someone will get the short end of the stick. so there is trade bait there. we’d be short sighted not to see that.
Again, if this was the run and shoot 4 receiver set Oilers of the 90’s, then it’d be probably better than those guys Webster Slaughter and co. but with the Juggernaut lurking and speedy Ahmad, we will never run and shoot.
Giants may not be "run and shoot"
but having 4 serviceable WRs we can give defenses a different look and something else to worry about. We could even run out of that formation. There are so many diff possibilities that it would be completely idiotic to trade away a cheap+productive WR. Also keep into account injuries, I wouldn’t want to have to rely on Derek Hagan or Hixon.
15 is a good number
by I_Formation27 on Feb 19, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
why can't we be run and shoot?
First off…we have Kevin Gilbride…the OC of the run and shoot Oilers.
2nd, the Oilers had Lorenzo White and Gary Brown as their RB’s…2 pretty RB’s who had 1000yds a number of times.
Jake, AB…hopefully there’s a capable #3 in there
Smith, Ham, Barden, Nicks…there’s your 4.
…The run and shoot Oilers had a running game, believe it or not.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 19, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions
You can also use 4 WRs without going run and shoot
Its always about scheming for matchups.
4 WRs forces the D to react, who gets covered by the safety. I love Manny in single covg with a safety and no help, thats called a big play.
You can run out of it too. Especially with a big back like Jacobs, a little extra space is good for him.
The more different threatening looks you can put on the field, the better the offense gets.
by giantblue63 on Feb 19, 2010 11:50 PM EST up reply actions
hey if we can do it i'm all for it
don’t get me wrong i’d love to see each and every piece stay here, i’m not advocating moving anyone. the question is can it be done with this group? does everyone have the right mindset to share and share alike. will manningham like playing 4th wheel on certain games to barden? same with nicks, brandon and ahmad. throw in bossman mind you, and god forbid andre brown gives us anything, and you’re talking 8 mouths to feed one ball! a fun problem to have mind you, but who will be left in the dust? at the end of the season, who’s numbers will suffer from so many weapons? and how will they take it? and then, are we willing to watch whoever’s numbers suffer trade value drop because of it? there can’t be 4 players with 900 yards receiving, someone will drop off. and in turn there value will drop off.
if we were to trade someone, if JR saw fit to it, and if ramses had the NFL talent, then would i be averse to saying bye to “The Man”? not really, if we were able to get something good in return. that way, the pharoah can unleash hell on defenses, and bossman won’t be stuck blocking for eli all game. it’s just something for you to think about in a year or two, IF ramses is worth anything.
that's the good thing about having unselfish players...
there is no Plax there…there is no Shockey.
Steve Smith seems like the dude who, even tho he had 100 catches, if say….40 of them went somewhere else? he wouldn’t care.
Who gets left in the dust? No one.
Eli’s main target is Steve Smith, and I don’t see that changing. Everyone else just needs to get open, Eli finds em.
That was the thing about the run and shoot. Really…it was pretty similar to the way the Giants operated last year believe it or not.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 20, 2010 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
haha
i would love to except for that whole $$$ thing. you should come over to my side and get the 360! btw.. if any of u reading this play on xbox live and want to get down on a madden game my live name is Franky Sins
Is it baseball season yet??
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 19, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
yeah once you have one it don't make sense to get another
here’s a franchise tip for ya if you do the franchise thing. after the 1st season is done(this current season) elvis dumervil is a free agent. when i bid on him he was ranked i believe 62 as an LOLB! so i got him for the cheap, with no plans btw of using him as an outside linebacker. i figured he’d be a nice option behind osi/tuck/kiwi. guess what his rating is when i put him in my DE depth chart? 87! more than kiwi! suffice to say i have nice depth at the ends for awhile to come(i also drafted an end) played one preseason game with him too and he’s a quick off the end shifty little feller(only 5’11)
anyway a little tip for you if you do the whole franchise thing….
all i do is franchise
in my 4th year so i guess i missed on elvis… worst season was 13-3 still havnt won a SB. a little tip for you.. andre brown is a BEAST!!!!!! traded jacobs for a 1st and 2nd round draft pick after year 1 and drafted a MLB with 90 speed (!!!) and an overall of 83 as a rookie and A potential. hes now a 94 and only 24 years old haha i love it. hope thats what really happens, without trading jacobs
andre brown is seriously no joke in this game. like i said in my 4th year now and hes an 85 overall, 99 trucking, 95 break tackle, 90 something strength. hes pretty much jacobs but way faster in this game. pair him with Ahmad who is my receiving and screens back and u got a nasty backfeild.
Is it baseball season yet??
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 19, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
i'll keep that in mind
unfortunately, well fortunately i should say, Big boy won NFL running back of the year….and that was with me simulating most of the season. i plan on employing an earth, wind and fire with A.Brown next season so Big Jake is here for awhile.
My best pickup in this year’s draft came in the form of an unscouted wideout in the 5th round!!! rates as a 78, has already risen to 3rd on the depth chart, and allowed me to trade manningham and goff i think for a nice backup guard….aaron sears i think his name is. he and beatty will anchor my line for years to come.
btw, Osi….didn’t play a snap for me this season. torn ACL in preseason. that makes 2 years in a row with season ending injuries!
Absolutely fkin not.
Sergio Kindle?
THAT’s your suggestion? LOL!
We trade Ham and Kiwi to get a fake ass Brian Orakpo? And by fake ass I mean not good?
No thanks.
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
I agree with most here
this is just a silly trade idea.
Whats with everyone's infuriation in trading away our proven and promising players
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST reply actions
infuriation?
its infuriating to me…..
I AM SOFA KING!!!
-Wei Todd Ed
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 18, 2010 4:01 PM EST up reply actions
kiwi = best non-starting DE in the NFL
Mario = best WR who cant run a route in NFL
marios future potential is astronomical.. cant get rid of him.
kiwi is so important to the D with him in the rotation. hes starting caliber DE that works in a rotation and keeps everyone fresh.
gotta give it a no on this one.
Is it baseball season yet??
by Plaxico Burress on Feb 18, 2010 4:10 PM EST reply actions
Doesn't it depend on what we get back
Am I trading both guys for a 1st round pick in the teens or 20’s?? That is just crazy talk.
I probably wouldn’t trade both of them for Rams #1.
mini plaxico
you dont want Brandon Marshall on your team
not that we don't want him
but what would we do with him? yeah he’d start, but take snaps away from who? Smith, Barden. we’re trying to develop our young talent, not snuff it out.
He can take whatever he wants from Barden...he can have his breakfast,lunch,dinner....
…seat on the team plane ride home from the West Coast,paycheck whatever.
you do that and you admit that Barden was a bust and a wasted pick
you willing to do that? without giving the kid a chance? i’m not.
WR BMarsh and Nicks on the outside and SS12 inside 3 WR as a standard.
And by the way Plax[may he rot in jail,by the way]did alot for our run game,a whole lot actually.We saw the drop off when he got put away.And BMarsh is by far better than Plax.
Marshall, now we are cooking with grease!
marshall, smith, barden, boss, bradshaw, jacobs, hixon returning punts and kickoffs, if beckum develops into a real weapon? kind of scary don’t you think? and how old is marshall anyway?
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 21, 2010 12:25 PM EST reply actions
Kiwi?
That would be crazy. If the Giants would trade him, give him back to his hometown team then. He’s a very good player. Trading is overrated. Trading away Kiwi or Manningham to fill up holes will only move the holes from whatever position was drafted to defensive end and wide receiver.
"I find a duck's opinion of me is very much influenced by whether or not I have bread."
-Mitch Hedberg
thank you.
I think you know as a Colts fan how much of a good idea it is to surround Manning with a whole bunch of weapons.
Also, while you may not have seen this in Indy, giving Manning a few headcases at WR can hurt more then it helps.
All these trades ARE ridiculous.
Just cuz they work in Madden…doesn’t mean they actually make sense.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
Kiwi is a good player
This year he didn’t get many sacks because BS kept putting him at DT on passing downs (which was very stupid) but I’m sure that about 80% of the 4-3 teams would love to have him on their roster as their #2 DE.
I hope that he agrees to resign with us next year because if not he will get snapped up by some other team in a hurry.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 21, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
he wont resign bc he wants to start and that maybe a good reason to trade him so we get something out of our first rounder instead of just losing him
by shenkthetank592 on Feb 21, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
That would be Osi your talking about.
Kiwi hasn’t said that.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
thank you
defensive end is actually one of the deep spots on our team and if you want him you can have him on xbox, ps3 or which ever system you prefer. 60 plus catch recievers can be replaced especially if they cannot stay healthy or as freebradshaw pointed out, keep his feet in bounds.
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 21, 2010 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
That doesn’t mean that he cannot learn to keep his feet in bounds. Or that Kindle or whoever else we draft pans out…. they could be a huge bust, while we already know that Manningham is at least a decent WR who could still improve and turn into a pro-bowler
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 21, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
I remember hearing about Kiwi not wanting to be the 3rd DE.
But he’s a really classy guy(not that Osi isn’t)and just doesn’t want to make waves.But if you have to resign both in the next 2 yrs I don’t think that is happening.There may be a decision to make soon,maybe in a def. rich draft now is the time.It does seem like question.I like HAM also(thought he was a 1st rder) and Sintim(big beast,although seems 3-4ish)I am leary of unnecessary roster turnover.The hierarchy will be on board together on these evaluations and hopefully make our team much better at the end of the day.
its actually an easy decision.
Osi would go.
Kiwi would be re-signed.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
No
Simply put: no. HAM’s cheap talent who adds a deap and quick threat for Eli and Kiwi does what is asked of him and doesn’t complain. If you’re going to trade anybody, trade Rocky Bernard. Let some team like the Browns worry about 320 lbs of nothing in exchange for a 3rd or 4th
I wonder if that’s possible?
I’d trade Bernard for a 7th round pick, just to get something.
Then they can draft ZOLTAN!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 21, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes doubt.
Cuz its wrong. Kiwi’s much better against the run.
If other players were doing their job enough to make the QB have to wait a split second extra, Kiwi could’ve had 10+ sacks this year.
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
As much as people dump on Kiwi
I don’t remember him being a problem in 2008 when Osi was injured. Why? That’s because Robbins and Cofield did their jobs well. If the DTs play well, it greatly improves the potential of the DEs to play well.
Bro,FB...hey,I like Kiwi and Osi but it ain't close and I will soon show you that!
and again I like both but of the two,Osi is high end and in the course of a season while a rotation of( RE)Tuck,(LE)Osi,and(R/LE)Kiwi would be best Canty and many others can do Kiwi’s run down work but Osi has it over most on pass downs and with most if not all of the best teams being the mostly strong pass teams,I like Osi.IMO more valuable.
according to PFF, Osi and Kiwi hit the QB the same amount of times.
Osi had 4 more sacks.
But Kiwi had 7 more QB pressures
Kiwi had 3 times the solo tackles of Osi.
Let me say that again. Kiwi had 3 TIMES THE TACKLES of Osi.
…you can have Osi. I’ll take Kiwi.
The NYG’s will take both for now, but I’ll bet some good bucks that they re-sign Kiwi if its a decision between the 2.
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
Tackles are a horrible way to rate players.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 22, 2010 5:21 PM EST up reply actions
tackles show a player is getting to the ball
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 5:28 PM EST up reply actions
and for a DE…no..you couldn’t be more wrong.
If a DE is getting tackles? Like the amount that Kiwi got? Puts him in the upper tier of DE’s if he’s getting that many tackles.
One dimensional pass rushing DE’s don’t get a lot of tackles (**COUGH OSI.. COUGH!)
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 5:29 PM EST up reply actions
Not really
Kiwi isn’t even a top 30 DE. Getting tackles just means that the linebackers are terrible. I can list you 15 DE’s who had much better seasons than Kiwanuka and had half of his tackle totals
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 22, 2010 5:49 PM EST up reply actions
….actually, the Dl’s are the first line of defense. IF Kiwi’s getting tackles, that means the LB’s and DB’s aren’t getting tackles.
That’s why tackles are a bad way to judge DB’s and LB’s.
If Kiwi has that many solo tackles (2nd in the NFL actually…) mean’s he’s in the upper echelon of DE’s.
He was in the upper echelon of QB hits too. Not really his fault.
Yo can rattle off 30 DE’s. I bet I’d take Kiwi over 25 of them.
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 6:02 PM EST up reply actions
No, the front 7 works together, the LB’s don’t line up in layers and wait for the other team to get past the DLine to tackle.
You could take Kiwi over anyone but that doesn’t mean that an NFL GM would.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 22, 2010 6:12 PM EST up reply actions
exactly.
The LB’s don’t wait, but Kiwi got there first. GM’s would take this guy in a second
End of discussion.
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Kiwi wasn't getting there at all in pass rushing
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 22, 2010 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
a split second late cuz the rest of the team wasn’t doing their thing.
Tuck and the DT’s are healthy, Kiwi has 10 + sacks
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 22, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions
Keep dreaming
Kiwi never had even close to 10 sacks in his career…. he doesn’t even have 20 in his career.
And it doesn’t matter if he is a split second late or 5 seconds late the important this is that the QB got the pass off. And on top of that he doesn’t ever get double teamed either so its up to him to actually get to the QB and not expect to just mooch off the rest of the DLine.
And if it wasn’t for that one game against the Steelers last year he would’ve had only 5.5 for that season.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 22, 2010 11:38 PM EST up reply actions
Sure.
"I got a team that even Hakeem couldn't dream!"
#88 ya'll
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 23, 2010 7:39 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
like i said kiwi is a good player but osi is the only player in franchise history to ever get 7 sacks in one game. that was a couple of years ago but that’s almost half of what kiwi has for his career. sintim could easily replace him, we could trade up to get mcclain, not everybody likes kindle so we could go either DT or safety and bam. we just improved an already impressive defense, we stay young, and if we add a player like angerer to add intesity…….look out for that defense!!! as far as manningham i do like him and he was impressive, he just cost us in that last game against philly. and i don’t think anybody that is a true giants fan likes to lose to philly. if we keep him and he improves thats awesome my thing is that you cannot stand put while other teams in the division are looking to improve. philly trades vick, what kind of pick do you think they get? the skins are on the verge, and dallas could end up with peppers and what are we going to do? keep kiwi, pass on a chance to get two quality first round picks, then what? we end up having this exact same dicussion next year. screw all of that nonsense!! we have to keep up with the joneses or we will fall behind. the bad thing about that is this team is very good and could be great if it was tweeked alittle. it’s time to look at the big picture here.
by bleedblueandburntorange on Feb 23, 2010 1:29 AM EST reply actions
dumb...
This would make no sense what so ever.You do not trade your young talent who have already dont good things for your team for unproven college players.Just because they come out of the SEC and Big 12 doesnt mean anything.Sure there are a million guys who have gone on from those conferences and succeeded but ill bet there are alot more who havnt.Makes no sense please think.
no kindle at all...jones in the 2nd is ok..but at S i like Morgan Burnett better and
maybe thats where we go RB or RT
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