Daily NFL Draft Prospect Profile: Taylor Mays, S, USC
by Ed Valentine on Feb 10, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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USC safety Taylor Mays has already drawn a number of comments as we have been discussing potential New York Giants draft picks.
So, it's time we focus directly on Mays in our continuing series of NFL Draft prospect profiles.
Mays is a 6-foot-3, 230-pounder who would have likely been a top 10 pick had he come out a year ago. His stock has plummeted, though, and many wonder if Mays has the ability to play coverage at the NFL level. The Roy Williams comparisons are out there, and they have to make you cringe after what you saw from the Giants safeties in 2009.
Let's take a closer look at what the experts say about Mays.
Taylor Mays Scouting Reports
Walter Football gives a report on Mays that should have Giants fans screaming, and hoping that GM Jerry Reese finds a different way to try and upgrade the safety position.
Mays isn't a free safety at the next level; no chance he pans out there because he is horrible in coverage and has zero ball skills. Mays idea of playing football is running and throwing his body around, which is why I am giving him the nickname "The Trojan Torpedo." I think Mays can start at strong safety for some team, but he will be pretty average. Mays is the Vernon Gholston of safety prospects. Sure he has great measurables, but so did Gholston.
Player Comparison: Roy L. Williams. It's like someone cloned Roy Williams; Mays and Williams are the EXACT same player. Mays will struggle greatly in coverage at the next level, but he hits hard and is good in run support. Buyer beware.
Draft Countdown also gives a report on Mays that should make Giants fans leery.
Fantastic size with a chiseled physique --- Terrific athlete --- Excellent timed speed --- Quick and agile --- Explosive with a burst --- Smooth with fluid hips --- Great leaping ability --- Superb range --- Extremely aggressive --- Very strong --- Tough --- Violent hitter --- Does a superb job in run support. ...
Questionable instincts and awareness --- Poor ball skills --- Average hands --- Not a reliable tackler --- Takes some bad angles --- Doesn't always play as fast as he times --- Will have trouble matching up with wideouts in man coverage. ...
More of an intimidator than a playmaker in the secondary --- Has the talent to be a dynamic all-around player at the next level --- Epitomizes the phrase "Runs Like a Cornerback, Hits Like a Linebacker" --- Workout Warrior and amazing physical specimen with a truly rare blend of size, speed and athleticism.
CBS Sports had this to say.
Mays has the natural ability to rate as one of the real stars of the pre-draft workout circuit. With four years of film for scouts to grade, his over-aggressiveness as a senior won't prove catastrophic to his final grade. His performance in 2009 might have knocked him out of the top 10, but his intimidating blend of size, speed and explosive hitting make him a first-round lock and immediate impact rookie.
Why Mays fits with the Giants
C.C. Brown, Aaron Rouse, Michael Johnson and the questionable health of Kenny Phillips. The Giants need to do better than Brown, Rouse and Johnson at the safety position, and they need to protect themselves in the event Phillips does not recover from his knee injury. If Mays is sitting there in the second round he might be tempting for Reese.
Why Mays doesn't fit with the Giants
Brown, Rouse and Johnson. None of those guys can cover, which is why the Giants needs help at safety. Mays, unfortunately, can't cover either. Sounds to me like Mays is pretty much a carbon copy of Brown or Rouse, and the Giants don't need another hard-hitting safety who is helpless in pass coverage.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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I agree with
you Ed
We should give this guy a wide berth and draft someone who can defend the pass.
Have you heard the rumour the Chiefs want to move out of the 5th spot?
If so and we feel that McClain is the real deal I would be inclined to move up and get him. Depending on how the draft pans out Berry could still be available at 5 as well.
I have a feeling that the Giants invested alot at DT/DE and will give it another year before picking a DL in round 1.
This leaves us at LB or S for choices in the first round so why not move up and get the best you can – after all we are offering the 15th pick in the draft and not the 30th!
I do have a nagging thought that the Giants will go OT in round 1 and then move Diehl to LG.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 7:21 AM EST reply actions
Why would they need to go OT in round one to move Diehl to LG?
Beatty is the LT either in 2010 or thereafter, he is not a RT. If they go OT, its for future RT purposes!
I think Ciron Black in the 4th round is a good choice. He played LT in college, has plenty of athleticism…tho not enough to be counted on right away as a LT, tho he could develop into a RT. Its been said he’s better off at guard but he’s played tackle his whole life, so he could be a OT.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 7:32 AM EST up reply actions
I was thinking
They could replace McKenzie at the same time as Beatty plays the left side and the other the right side.
McKenzie becomes the backup or the hopefully good OT drafted will cover both positions.
This still has a potential depth issue if McKenzie goes, but if we are going to make changes on th OL we might as well do all the changes in one go.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
OK
I was just confused, cuz even if the Giants don’t go OT at all in the draft, moving Diehl over to LG is fairly likely.
No matter where they go OT if they do, it should be for the RT spot. Most of the OT’s seem like they can play either side of the line, except for Charles Brown from USC, who right now is under 300lbs (doesn’t mean he can’t get over 300lbs, and since he’d a former TE if he weights in at say…310 at the combine? He’d be a good choice for RT. Thats’ good athlete to have)
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 7:45 AM EST up reply actions
I think we'd all like to see Diehl at G and ...
someone not named McKenzie at RT. If we are really sold on Beatty, then LT should be covered. Drafting a RT makes sense, but I would hope we can fill that in Rounds 2 or 3, as the LB/S/DT areas are greater need, and hopefully a good value at #15 for one of them (if we don’t trade down, which we probably should).
The way I see it
JR and TC give the DL another year to prove themselves.
They give the young LB’s another year too especially Goff.
S is the concern – but if they feel they can get one in the second like Rolle, Burnett, Allen etc they will wait to draft one.
However, a decent OT will be available at 15 and I think they should take one and I will not be surprised if they do.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 8:07 AM EST up reply actions
Either would I
Ed’s writeup with Bruce Campbell, along with some other stuff I read on him says that while he gets press for being an excellent pass blocker, he’s an even better run blocker.
The only problem is, Campbell is a workout warrior, and a 6"7 310lbs man who runs a potential 4.8 is not getting past Al Davis.
I’d be OK with Anthony Davis or Brian Bulaga too, especially Davis.
Morgan Burnett might actually be better then Earl Thomas. Someone made an “Earl Taylor” comment, seeming like a combination of Earl Thomas ballhawking and Taylor Mays size and speed (tho Earl Thomas may be faster anyway)….maybe that’s Morgan Burnett?
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 8:12 AM EST up reply actions
In the next mock draft
you do how about the Giants go OT in round 1!
Safety in round 2
DT/LB in round 3
BPA after that
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions
Or
we trade up to get a McClain or Berry.
It will be easier to move up from 15th than 30th.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 8:09 AM EST up reply actions
Why not make diehl RT, mckenzie as backup(great depth)
I feel like diehl would dominate on the right side, but I might be delusional.
I’m hoping we have either Earl T. or Rolando M. Fall.
Either way I WANT to trade osi, Clint sintim would dominate at DE and then draft an outside LB or pick one up in FA, no reason to overpay a DE in FA.
Diehl
has player RT before – but many believe his best position is Guard
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
How about...
Draft Mike Iupati for LG, Beatty to LT, Diehl to RT, Seubert and McKenzie to the bench.
I agree, FB. LY I wanted an LOT
as our #1 pick. The team’s performance in ’09 educated me to the point where I see a S as our #1need (not Mays) and a DT as #2. In the first 2-3 rounds, focus should be on D.
It sounds like
KP could be returning for this season – if this is the case Safety drops to second round and we take BPA in the first.
We are not use to picking this high and so we should use this chance to get a top draw player (even if it means moving up) and the OL is in need of fresh bodies at the OT position and this draft has some good ones that will be available to us at 15.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
F Mays.....
If JR gets him….well he knows what he’s doing. I’d hate the pick, no matter what round it is, until I see him play.
I’d have no problem being proven wrong on this cuz Mays seems boom or bust. But I wouldn’t draft him until the 5th. CC Brown and Aaron Rouse are too fresh in my brain to ‘hope’ they draft him any sooner then that.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
The only way JR takes Mays ...
is if Fewell convinces him that he sees something there. I’d sure want more necks on the line for that kind of pick. Can’t imagine anyone taking him as high as Round 1, except for Al Davis. Too much negative press out on this guy for anyone who likes him to think he won’t be there in Round 2.
F MAYS
I hope we get Myron Rolle, he seems like the opposite of this guy in all the right ways, I don’t think the offensive line will be as bad as it was last year. Everybody was injured.
Yes
guys were injured, but McKenzie is starting to get banged up and Diehl is not a natural LT as compared to say Beatty.
Other teams have done well with first round OT’s (Oher, Baker, Thomas etc). So I would see it as a good investment in making the line both younger and better.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
McKenzie
is fast approaching the # of starts when an OT begins showing significant wear. He was good last year (guys that rip him need to watch a team that really struggles in pass protection for a game), but to expect more than another good season is ignoring his injury history and history in general.
They need to draft a future RT this year to be ready for 2011. But I think there are many out there that could fill that need.
by giantblue63 on Feb 10, 2010 12:22 PM EST up reply actions
Agree.
But the way Mays’ stock is dropping, I wouldn’t mind picking him up in the fifth and teaching him the following:
“Kid – you see those things hanging off your shoulders? They’re called “arms.” And if you wrap them around the opposing player while hitting him, he can’t go anywhere."
I left my swagger in my other pants.
by HughG16 on Feb 10, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
? for Ed
we were soft all up the middle on d last year. weak tackles, inexperienced mlb, and no safeties. If we could fix one of those three, which would make the biggest difference? We may have a choice between a stud mlb, dt or safety. Which do you think has the biggest impact in modern defenses, and which would have the biggest impact on the giants? I would rank our needs SS, DT, MLB, OT in that order. But what do i know.
Nobody knows for sure, blue
My response to your question, though, is defensive tackle. Here’s why. Monster defensive tackles impact a defense in several ways.
1. They help the pass rush by getting a push and not allowing QBs to step up. Thus, those times when the DEs run by the QB turn into sacks.
2. Obviously, they help the run defense. With dominant DTs you don’t need a real stud MLB, you just need an athletic guy who can find the ball and tackle. The DTs help the guy to run free.
3. They protect the corners and safeties by limiting the time the quarterback has to throw. Giants won the Super Bowl in 2007 with a dominant line, and a so-so secondary.
But, like you, what do I know. Just my opinion.
by Ed Valentine on Feb 10, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
aright, I got it.
We need to trade up to the number one pick with Rams. Give Spags Sinorice Moss and our first and third, grab Suh, and get that Oxford-studying safety I’m big on in the second. Pay a lot for Dansby and an OT in free agency, and use the remaining picks for back up and development purposes. Do that and we might’ve ruined Jerry Jones big party come this time next year.
I mean
everybody was laughing at Tannenbaum last year, but he definitely made a strong argument that quality beats out quantity. And I think you’re right, if we had a badass tackle, Osi, Tuck, Kiwi and Sintim would start collecting sacks like they were candy corn on halloween. And those boys deserve that candy.
I think it'd take a lot more than what you're suggesting to move to 1
which isn’t really necessary anyway. Maybe Osi and our 1st and 3rd.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 10, 2010 9:08 AM EST up reply actions
it is
if you want the best defensive tackle in the draft. Plus we have a relationship with spags, no salary cap and his team needs a lot of help. In this case i think losing osi would be a mistake though, unless we got peppers through fa. What’s the point in creating all this push up the middle if you don’t have a speed rusher to capitalize on it?
I'd rather pray that the Rams take Clausen
and move up to #3 with the Bucs.
F the hype, I like Gerald McCoy better.
Suh = Glenn Dorsey. An indestructible force of hype, that everyone forgets that a few years ago this guy couldn’t stay healthy cuz he has bad knees. Oh yea, Po Pelini, Nebraska’s coach…was Dorsey’s DC at LSU.
Suh was not a top 5 overall recruit either, Gerald McCoy was.
The #3 overall cost less (hopefully) The Bucs need a pass rusher (Osi?) and probably would be better off at #15, selecting someone like Dez Bryant WR.
FK the #1 overall.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
*Bo Pelini
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
The math just doesn't support that move
At Osi’s current value (coming off a knee surgery and yet to see what level he can perform at when healthy), he most likely grades out to mid 2nd Rd. Let’s just say he’s worth the same as our pick in that round, making his value worth 430 points. Our Rd. 1 pick is worth 1,050 pts, the #3 pick is worth 2,200 pts. making the difference of 1,150. That would make our cost to move up to #3 = Osi + our rd. 1, 2 & 3 picks.
I’m, of course not solid on what the perceived value of Osi actually is. “One man’s trash is another man’s treasure”, but it’s logical to grade him there. If, per chance, he was valued as a late rd. 1, we’re still talking at least Osi(if he grades to a #26)+ our rd. 1 & 2 picks.
Do you see the problem with trading up, now? JR hasn’t shown the tendency for giving up draft picks from the early rounds unless he has extra from the year before. I used to get all worked up about high draft picks until I understood the value chart. Now, I’m happy with JR’s approach of trading down for more picks so he can move up in later rounds.
The other thing you have to consider is the salary cap. I don’t think Reese likes having to pay big dollars to rookies. In fact, I think he likes picking #30 or down so he can get rd. 1 value at rd. 2 prices.
Of course, just my opinion with a little info support.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
The chart
is used as a guide but teams do not need to stick to it.
If the Buccs wanted our first and Osi for their first they would do the trade straight up.
It would be easier using the chart to swap with KC at 5 who are rumoured to be offering the pick. Now they may be asking a king’s ransom like the Browns did with the Jets last year or they generally do not want to pick 5.
JR and the team should consider all options going into this draft.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
i'm just saying
if we’re gonna pick a DT in Rd 1, he better be a real force. Better then the safety or linebacker we could get anyway
Unless you want either
Suh or McCoy the Giants might as well stay at 15 and take BPA from their needs list.
I have convinced myself now they will go OT in round 1.
I appreciate it does not make sense based on the defence last year, but the OT we get at 15 is most probably more highly rated than say a DL, LB or S available to us.
by G Fan in England on Feb 10, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
Look at the math on the Browns/Jets trade
The browns traded their #5 pick for the Jets #17 and #52, leaving 370 points gained by the Jets.
I can see how it may look like this kind of flexibilty is normal, but it is the exception to the rule. The Browns were rebuilding and desperately shopping the pick to everybody to get more picks. They settled on the best offer they got. This is further supported by the Browns then trading out of #17 for a #19 and #191, giving up another 60 points. If you remember, there weren’t any takers at full value for either of these trades, which gave the leverage to the other teams.
You are correct in saying that it is just a guideline, but do you really think that Osi will draw that much value interest? If Osi is valued at,say, a #26, then you are in the same range as the Jets (450/370) in points left on the table for the Tampa pick (#3) and perfect for the KC pick(#5).
I believe that Osi’s current value in more likely mid 2nd round, but what exactly is the value/risk/reward scenario for such a trade? We trade away a known commodity, plus our #1 draft pick, for a player who has yet to play a down in the NFL. Even at his current performance level, we are getting 29 tackles, 19 solo, 7 sacks, 4 forced fumbles and 1 pass defensed in 11 games as a starter. In contrast, we got 51 tackles, 34 solo, 8 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and 1 pass defensed from Kiwi in the Osi-less 2008. That was even when Kiwi was adjusting to being back at DL after an injury shortend year at SLB and with very limited rotational support.
That being said, I think it’s safe to say that 2010 will be a much better year for Osi, with the second year after a knee injury being when most experts say players return to play near 100%.
Why would anyone trade that away unless he really becomes a problem, which is highly unlikely? He will probably give us double digits in sacks and, hopefully, get his run defense numbers back up to 2007 levels(2005 levels if we’re really lucky).
I’m just saying let’s take a breather with all the Osi trade talk. You just don’t give away talented pass rushers, which we shouldn’t have such short memory on what he has meant for us.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Well I agree...
I’d rather keep Osi and I have no idea what his true value is anyway.
Yes, the draft chart is basically a guideline, but when we’re talking about teams like the Raiders…Al Davis is still operating by AFL rules, he doesn’t have a clue.
I’ll keep bringing this up, but if someone like Gaines Adams is getting a 2, Osi probably gets a 1.
Also, Shockey was coming off a Broken leg. Osi is much further removed from his injury at this time of trade then Shockey was, and he got a 2nd and 5th. Shockey’s a TE too…and that’s a whole lot less valuable then Osi.
It depends.
The one or the 3 is probably a pipedream, but maybe the 6th, where Seattle has 2 1st rounders, could use a pass rusher like Osi too.
It probably depends for Seattle on whether someone like Clausen is there or they value Sam Bradford for some odd reason.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 12:01 PM EST up reply actions
also the top 10 of the draft
looks eerily similar to last year, because they are run for the most part by idiots.
…so they probably don’t think getting value is good anyway.
There may be a few teams that don’t want to pay that sort of money (tho Seattle probably isn’t one of them, maybe the Bucs or the Lions are?)
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions
You didn't value the 3 NFL guys the Jets threw in
Even if you call them 5th rounders it makes the trade even closer to actual value.
Most teams
would love to trade guys that aren’t under contract
(Moss is a restricted free agent)
by giantblue63 on Feb 10, 2010 12:26 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you
The DT makes all the difference. I’d love to get Earl Thomas but our team isn’t built on the secondary. It’s built on the guys up front being able to stop the run and rush the passer. The Giants should get the best available DT at #15 unless there’s a player available at another position who is considerably better.
In the second round, they can decide on whether to get a MLB or a safety.
Agree, Ed
During the Super Bowl run, the Giants had Wilson and Butler at safety and Torbor (!) at LB, but the DL protected them. That’s why I think the Giants will not draft Earl Thomas in the first round; they will take a DT (unless McLain drops to them). Besides, there was a story yesterday that Kenny Phillips is recovering well; if so, they can pick up a decent second safety in the third or fourth round.
As for trading up, I can’t see the Giants giving up the kind of picks that would be needed to get a top five player – they have too many needs – unless they really score in free agency. In any case, Reese has been reluctant to make major moves up because he has had confidence that he could do better by keeping the picks.
Mickey C
I agree
We can get a good SS in later rounds, the gap between McClain and trhe next best MLB is too large and the Giants have had a philosophy of finding OL in later rounds and training them up. You want impact with your 1st rd pick and OT will not have as big of an impact as a stout, pass rushing DT. Our interior line was the main reason for recent defensive failures and previous successes.
I’m still on DT being our first pick.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Finally, a voice of reason.
I think it’s obvious that the biggest difference in our D has been the DL play. We had the best lines (O AND D) until we wore our guys down and they played through injuries.
C’mon, they made Wilson and Butler look like good Safeties. It all starts in the trenches. Try to find any coach who would disagree.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Wow, that looked like I responded to myself
It was meant for Ed’s comment above.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
When is the SBN Mock Draft?
That’s what I really want to see. Secondly, how did the SBN draft compare last year? And finally, Ed, if you’re playing JR I think you should have FreeBradshaw as director of scouting…
You play to win the game!
Don't think so
I have a feeling ‘Free’ would want my job. Besides, I’d never be able to shut him up. LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Feb 10, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
I see alot of..........
talk about moving up as if it were something logical to do. I’m going to post a link to the draft value chart so you can all draw your own conclusions about whether a smart GM would even consider trying to move up into the upper part of the first round knowing the cost/risk/reward scenario.
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php
Bleeding Blue since 1962
“We need to trade up to the number one pick with Rams. Give Spags Sinorice Moss and our first and third, grab Suh, and get that Oxford-studying safety I’m big on in the second.”
did u know that to move up to the 7 th overall pick, the giants would have to trade there 1,3,4, and 7 round picks? How are you going to get the 1 overall pick for just a 1 and 3 with moss???? Makes no sense.
I wanted to really move up to grab berry but the more I think about it, the more I say that since so many juniors are coming out this year because of the salary cap next year or something, there’s going to be loads of talent in the 3 and 4 rounds.
by MIKES92 on Feb 10, 2010 9:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Agreed
I think it’s amazing what folks come up with. That’s not mentioning what you have to pay a top 5 or 10 pick. Nobody is going to give squat for Moss and we would have to come up with 1,950 points to get Suh and then have to pay him, a rookie, $10M/yr. Our total value of our current draft choices is just over 1,800 points.
Would that not constitue mortgaging your teams future(which is essentially the draft) for one impact player?
Bleeding Blue since 1962
i don't buy the chart
what about the move ups last year, did they obey it?
Yes
Sometimes a player was substituted for a draft pick, but basically yes
by giantblue63 on Feb 10, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
I think that Moss is worth a 4th or 5th rounder
but he isn’t under contract in a few days so why would anyone trade for him?
by giantblue63 on Feb 10, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Taylor Mays as a SLB
is probably the best route for him. He could rush the passer and do all the heavy hitting that he likes while not having to cover in space that much.
Agreed but....
when would you select him. He never played LB in college. The field of vision for a LBer and S are extremely different. How well does he shed blockers? He could get off a WR or TE as a Safety but how about shedding a block from a 300+ lineman?
Given that much uncertainty i wouldnt risk a 3rd round selection if you have him as a SLB. But i doubt he falls that far.
Mays is kinda in the same situation Tebow. They had good 2 great college careers, but so much uncertainity surrounding how well those guys translate to the NFL. He seems like a luxury pick.
yes
also the speed those guys get to you in NFL is faster too.
by giantblue63 on Feb 10, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
A thought
What if Mays is the next Brian Dawkins, blowing up RBs and becoming the most intimidating DB in NFL?
I still like getting a lineman at 15 (DTor OT), but what if….?
Dawkins plays with controlled rage
just like Ray Lewis. That’s what he is, the Ray Lewis of safeties.
Played like that at Clemson and that way in the NFL.
If you ever see Mays do anything that resembles controlled rage at USC, let me know.
He’s not an intimidator at all, and that’s in college.
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
From what I have read
Mays has no problem with throwing his body around, and in fact he is probably a bit too reckless that way.
Also, what if Mays times at 4.30, you still think he busts?? Very few safeties with that kind of speed aren’t good. Ones with that speed that fail are usually 5-8 fly weights, not 6-3 bruisers. I’m not a Mays advocate, but I suspect like many that fell down the charts his flaws are currently being over-emphasized.
4.3 is nice and shiny, he could run a 4.1 for all I care.
but his hip movement is slow for a defensive tackle (pause?). Not sure he’s all that quick either, and If he’s getting up to his 40yd speed…the Giants are in trouble anyway.
CC Brown ran a 4.48 in his combine, which is quite fast for a 6"1 220lbs man (Roy Williams ran a 4.4 too).
He’s got zero ball skills. He doesn’t have good timing on his tackles and takes poor angles.
Maybe his flaws are being over emphasized? I dunno.
But guys like Chad Jones (6"3 220) and Morgan Burnett (6"1 210) are big too and can lay the big hit, but they’re a bit more of ball hawks. They may run “only” a 4.5, but they’re not a chicken running around with their head chopped off either (like Mays)
Rectum? Damn near killed em!
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 10, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions
I know the negative on Mays
all I am saying is that the scouting reports are right no more than 1/2 the time.
slow hip movement? not sure that is an issue for anyone that he isn’t dating
I’d look for my safety in round 2 or 3, value matters
I’d look at higher value needs in round 1, like OL/DL/LB
That’s just me. If you are drafting a DB in round 1, you better think he can cover WRs.
you mean
what if he’s the next all-time helmet-to-helmet spearing champion of the world? Oh how I hate Brian Dawkins
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 11, 2010 8:32 AM EST up reply actions
I sort of feel the same way
It has always seemed to me that the Eagles secondary has always played thru the whistle, hitting later than any other team in the division.
But I blame the refs, they are afraid to flag a team too much, and then they start getting accustomed to that kind of play.
With all the NFL is doing to prevent injuries, tightening up the late hits would be the one for me.
by giantblue63 on Feb 11, 2010 12:06 PM EST up reply actions
Mays may be better...
…as a weakside linebacker. He has the size for it. But we don’t need a weakside linebacker, so pass. We need a safety who can cover like crazy, even at the expense of tackling ability.
Or could he be converted into ...
a MLB, like Urlacher was. At 6’3" and 230, it’s not too much of a stretch physically. Can he be taught to wrap up better ? Probably. Can he be taught better angles ? Yes, and angles not quite so variable for a MLB as a S. And if his short comings are solvable, could be a real “sideline to sideline” type of guy.
But “questionable instincts and awareness” is something I would seriously worry about. Don’t know if you can “coach up” instincts and awareness.
I think he’d have to drop to late Round 2 (if we pick up an extra one trading down) or mid-Round 3 to make sense for us.
MAYS DOESN'T TACKLE.
Watch film of him. He runs to the play, lowers his shoulder and looks for his SportsCenter highlight. We’d be better off getting WIllie.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I really can't see the Giants drafting him in the 1st round.
Now if he’s the BPA with our Round 2 selection then sure, otherwise Im thinkin the Gmen go after a safety in FA.
morgan burnett
good ball skills,speed and can tackle and he will be available in the second round so we can a tackle in the first defensive or offensive. the draft has alot of good safeties with up side in this draft
He should just become a weakside LB
He is so much more interested in hitting people than playing the ball. He should just go ahead and switch to LB. He has the size and his terrible coverage mindset wouldn’t show as much.
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