Mock Draft Monday
by cjmulrain on Feb 1, 2010 2:30 PM EST
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There's only one game left in the 2010 NFL Season, which means that starting next Monday, all eyes will be turning to the NFL Draft on April 22nd. Unfortunately, we here at Big Blue View have been focused on the draft for three weeks now, and part of our strategy for draft coverage will be to provide you with a weekly look at some of the more reputable mock drafts out there on the interwebs to see what the "experts" are predicting the Giants will do with their highest draft pick of the Eli Manning/Tom Coughlin era.
Obviously, these mock drafts are extremely speculative (we're still weeks away from the Combines, Pro Days, and everything else the prospects have to do to change their draft slots), and most of the time the so-called experts are pretty far off the mark (especially this early in the process). That said, you can't deny that mock drafts are a lot of fun to read and critique (which is probably why there are about 1,570,000 hits for "2010 NFL Mock Draft" on Google). So let's get to it - more after the break.
Ed already covered a few mock drafts last week, so I won't re-hash the ones which haven't been updated (including Kiper's), but here's the rest:
Mocking the Draft - Brian Price, DT, UCLA. Mocking the Draft is one of the best draft sites I've found and is a SBN partner. I'll admit that I don't know much about Brian Price, but I've seen him connected to the Giants in a few mock drafts, and I suspect I'll be learning a lot more in the ensuing weeks.
Walter Football - Brian Price
Football's Future - Brian Price
Draft Tek - Earl Thomas, S, Texas. Last time around, Draft Tek has the Giants taking TE Jermaine Gresham, which is beyond stupid. Thomas is the second best player in the draft at the Giants weakest position, and a position that has become increasingly important in the modern NFL (just look at the Steelers sans Troy Polamalu). I definitely wouldn't be opposed to this pick.
FF Toolbox - Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee. Defensive tackle seems the be the popular sentiment for the Giants first round pick. Williams is a bit bigger than Price, but also rated a bit lower on most draft boards. Like Price, I don't really know enough about Williams to say how I would feel about this pick, but I will do my research in the next few weeks.
Draft Ace - Sean Witherspoon, LB, Missouri. I think this pick is a bit of a reach. Witherspoon apparently impressed at the Senior Bowl, but most scouts saw him as a borderline first or second round player prior to that. The Giants can't afford to miss with this pick, and I wouldn't feel comfortable taking a guy because he had one good week over guys who had great college careers.
NFL Draft Dog - Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma. I only post this because I want to ridicule the stupidity of it. The Giants already have a pretty decent tight end who is still getting better in Kevin Boss, and they drafted a project tight end last year in Travis Beckum. That said, I'm a big believer in taking the best player available, especially if he's much better than anyone available at your "needs" positions. Jermaine Gresham, however, is not that guy. He's a very good college tight end, but he's not a better prospect than Jeremy Shockey or Kellen Winslow Jr. were, and neither of them would have been worth the #15 pick for a team with glaring defensive needs. And that's ignoring the fact that Gresham missed most of last season with an injury. The Giants are in no position to be drafting a guy coming off an injury at a position they under-utilize and are already pretty solid at, coming off their worst defensive performance in 40 years. Sorry, NFL Draft Dog, but this is one of the worst mock draft predictions I've ever seen.
Finally, Mel Kiper Jr. provides a supplement to his mock draft (in which he had the Giants taking DE Carlos Dunlap out of Florida), citing potential targets for rounds two and three for the Giants and the other NFC East teams.
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Price sound good but...
I Wonder what it would take to move up to #10 and take McClain out of Alabama?
I'm with you
I really really like McClain. I think he’s a bigger faster version of Demeco Ryans, who ironically was also outta Alabama. If "worth"it, I’d see what it would take to get him 4-5 picks ahead of us, again, if it doesn’t break the bank. Otherwise, personally, I’m not too sold on DT or S at 15. If we can’t land McClain, I’d like them to trade down and pick up an extra 2 or 3. With the quality of these young guys, I’d be happy with a few extra early picks, still being able to get some potential even in rd 2 or 3. I mean come on, the Pats have I think 3 2nd rounders. I’d love to be in that position for this draft.
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Feb 1, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Per the NFL Draft Point Value Chart ...
(just a guideline, though) you could move from # 15 to # 11 by throwing in your 3rd Rounder. Moving to #10 would have to add the 5th Rounder (that thing starts to get steep up near the top of Round 1.
Or … we could move down to about # 26, and get that team’s 2nd Rounder thrown in (# 58 overall). Picking at # 26, # 47 and # 58 ought to get us 3 pretty good players, but not an impact guy like McClain.
Moving On Down...
…is a much much better idea. In the twenties, you’ve still got a shot at Brian Price, Dan Williams or the kid from Penn State (Okung?) at DT, plus two shots at a good LB or safety in the second. Plus, we HAVE TO get Rolle from FSU, even if we get him late in the second. He’s a third-rounder, but kicked major ass at the Senior Bowl…and that’s after being out of football for a year.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Agree on Rolle..
I’ve always wanted him on the Gints..but it looks like he’s not a 5th rounder. It seems everyone and their mother wants him on their team…
personally, there’s other fish in the sea..many safeties in this draft, many better ones, so I wouldn’t go and reach for him unless they have either 2 2nd rounders or have a 2nd 3rd rounder.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Yeah, we'd have to have 2 seconds
…and he’d have to be the lower one.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Same page
While having the extra relatively early picks would be tempting, and a hell of a worse-case scenario, I’m totally man crushing on McClain. Not jinxing here, but seeing as though he wouldn’t get past Miami unless we trade up, he’s a Parcells LB, which gives me goosebumps thinking of his LB picks of say, the mid 80’s.
I haven’t been this sold on a player, period, for us or not, since a guy named Randy Moss kept falling in 98. Vikings got him at 21, we were 24 (not that we would have touched him anyway, cause he was a “troublemaker”. But that turned out okay, I mean we ended up with Jurevicius in the 2nd and Brian Alford in the 3rd. (Thanks wiki for the memory update with specifics and all.)
If it’s not logical to package a deal up, drop down, like many of you guys have said, can still probably get a DT or S in the mid 20’s or even better, in the 2nd or 3rd. I’m big on Rolle as well, and not because of the recent hype, but a while ago when researching and finding he was at one time, I believe, the #1 prospect overall coming out of hs. Plus, if he lost some athleticism, he can formulate some mathematical equation to be at the right place at the right time aka the Larry Brown theory, right?
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Feb 2, 2010 4:07 AM EST up reply actions
Sarcasm
Oh, reading comments as of recently, I feel the need to address my “we were fine with Jurevicius and Brian Alford” line. While JJ was okay at best imo (but man could he play some basketball, saw him in Norwich way back in the day) Brain Alford speaks for himself. So overall, that was a sarcastic comment, just so I don’t get blackballed or anything :)
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Feb 2, 2010 4:12 AM EST up reply actions
Sean Weatherspoon
He had an awesome college career, but his stock fell slightly this past year. He was considered a 1st round pick if he had come out after his JR year. He did not have a bad year this year for Missouri, but the team didn’t do as well and his stock fell just a little. He is an outside linebacker though, which really isn’t the Giants most pressing need. He is a terrific athlete though. He almost looks like a safety out there because he runs so fluidly.
I’d love to get Earl Thomas or Brian Price.
I'm not opposed to Witherspoon completely
I just don’t like the idea of drafting a guy for “need” when there are better players available, which there almost certainly will be at #15.
2009 Did Not Happen
Yeah, that's what I was saying...
I just didn’t want people to think that Weatherspoon is only being projected high because of his Senior Bowl performance rather than his body of work over 4 years a Mizzou.
I like Price.
I know more about Dan Williams right now..and his run stopping ability seems to be what the doctor ordered. Also, if he can be a part time passing down player, he could allow the 3-headed monster to do their thing.
I don’t think DT is as big a need as safety. So, unless Earl Thomas, Burnett or even Chad Jones are not #15 caliber to the G-Men…then they should wait for any or even Myron Rolle in round 2 or 3.
In round 3 or 4…our LB needs to be none other then PAT ANGERER!!!
For real…F any single linebacker in this draft. F McClain, F Spikes, F Bowman, F Weatherspoon….
Pat Angerer STEPS UP AND MAKES BIG PLAYS.
Quick, fast (the guy outruns the ball on numerous occasions on screen passes).
He’s 6"0 235..I dunno what esle to describe why he’s a 4-5th round prospect right now…but I dunno why.
Ideal would probably be….
1)Dan Williams 6"3 330. More of a NT, but a lot like a bigger Fred Robb…and his decline is really a big reason why the D took a dump
2) Chad Jones- 6’3 225- does everything- covers, hits, smart, fast…unlike some other S’s his size
3) Pat Angerer 6"0 235-decptively fast, smart, diagnosis everything…TOUGH…ANGRIER THEN ANGRY….he does play like his name states.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I like Chad Jones but......
he might end up going to the baseball route rather than the football route. I don’t want to draft a guy only to have him get drafted high in the June baseball draft and decide to play baseball instead.
it could happen...
I know, he could possibly be a 1-2nd round pick in baseball (LH, 93mph FB, nasty slider), but I’m assuming he’s for football right now.
I’m sure whoever drafts him, whether its the Giants or someone else, will know his intentions.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Fast Feet Freddie
I agree with your assertion regarding the D and Robbins. When he was healthy, he provided just enough inside pass rush to keep the OL honest. Since he got hurt in 2008, the D has not been the same.
Dan Williams does fit the profile, a power DT, should attract the double team on running plays, which would make a fast MLB (like Angerer, Lee or Washington effective). Also, his ability to push the pocket would help the pass rush.
Dan Williams and rushing the passer
are not 2 things that go together. (I would have a better chance at pressuring the QB than him)
Please don’t draft him….we do not need a fat tack
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
What is a fat tack?
There are plenty of great NFL D-linemen who are over 300 lbs. and can push two O-linemen back into the QB. He won’t get a sack that way but he’ll force teams to alter their blocking schemes. Price won’t make a 300 lbs Guard or Center change anything.
yea..
I don’t understand it.
Williams is not getting sacks.
Fred Robbins got sacks cuz he got a push up the middle and Osi, Tuck Strahan, Kiwi..whoever, got theirs from the outside.
Dan Williams, if he’s flanked by any of the Giants DE’s…can get sacks.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Robbins was much quicker than FAT Williams
Dan Williams is like Pat Williams – a fat lineman that helps against the pass. They take him out on passing downs because he is absolutely useless there.
Brian Price is more like Kevin Williams – 3 technique DL that gets sacks and tries to get in the gap between the G and C and disrupt the RB / QB.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno about that...
Dan Williams has a hell of a motor for a guy that size.
The Giants rotate their line a ton anyway…so I doubt that Price would be out there on every down anyway.
Kevin Williams is 6"5 315lbs…Price is 6"2 300…he’s not that big.
Brian Price is more like Brodrick Bunkley on the Eagles….
I’d take Pat Williams in a second.
That is the exact DT the Giants need.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
No, we don't need Pat Williams
Price could easily gain a few pounds of muscle with the right (pro-style) workout but its not all about size. It’s about how you play and thats where they are similar – they use their hands and quickness to get past the interior lineman.
Besides Cofield is the exact same type of player as Dan Williams so that would be an awful pick.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 8:13 PM EST up reply actions
Cofield is not Dan Williams.....
Even if he was…that’s probably a good thing as Cofield was the Giants best DL last year.
Williams outweighs him by 25lbs anyway.
Dan Williams is Fred Robbins.
IF the Giants want another smallish, speedy pass rushing DT…….Jay Alford’s coming back.
Dan Williams was dominant the whole senior bowl week. Price hasn’t had a chance yet, but Williams motor is unquestioned…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
It's not about motor
its about talent – and dan williams does not have the gift of pass rushing.
Cofield does not play at his listed weight either….. he is at least 320….
If JR thinks that Alford’s knee is going to be fine and he will play like he did in 2008, then we don’t need a DT and we’re better of going with McClain, Thomas or even an OT. BUT Dan Williams won’t add anything to this team that we dont have already or help in our biggest weakness – pass defense
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 8:26 PM EST up reply actions
the guys who are gonna get after the QB
are on the roster already.
They need bigger DT’s. I doubt Cofield’s 320…he always was smaller then Robbins and looked smaller then Bernard this year.
Cofield’s not a NT either. Dan Williams is a NT.
They have plenty of players in Price’s mold..they have none in Dan WIlliams’ mold (Robbins was that)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree with that
Cofield has been our NT since hes gotten the starting job. I don’t understand where you’re coming from saying he isn’t. Who do you think has been our NT for the last few years?
We have 1 player who is similar to Price and that is Alford who had major knee surgery and even before that was a decent role player at best.
Price had 22 TFL’s this year alone….
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
Fred Robbins has been the NT.....
and good for Price..I’m not arguing he’d be a bad pick…but not enough is know about him other then his college production.
That’s is not Williams game to be in the backfield, its to occupy blockers.
The Giants couldn’t stop the run for they’re lives at times…and there’s a reason why Tennessee’s LB’s made all their plays.
Its because they don’t have a big bastard like this down there.
A guy like Price would be that too.
…Either would be fine by me.
I dunno how you can say they couldn’t use Williams….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
*Giants don't stop the run
cuz they don’t have a big bastard on the line.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I would you reccommend you watch more Giants tape
Cofield was the NT and Robbins was the under tackle.
And our run D was not too bad after we put Goff and Canty in there
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 9:32 PM EST up reply actions
now youre gonna play the watch more games card?
Goff and Canty were in there for the Carolina and Minnesota game weren’t they?
Robbins was the NT, Cofield the off tackle. Cofield was the NT, Robbins the off tackle.
That’s what the GIants do…everyone does a bit of everything…
The run D was atrocious last year…it wasn’t as bad as people think, it was worse.
The pass D sucked too…there was no pass rush.
IT all sucked.
Either Price or Williams would be fine. End of story.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Carolina game was an anomaly
Canty was not there for Minnesota but noone gave a crap during that game anyways. But they stopped all other rushing attacks…..
The run D was not so bad last year like you’re portraying it- teams averaged 4.2 ypc. In 2008 it was 4.0 ypc.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 2, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
Williams had 9 TFL last year...
for a guy his size and for what his job was to do on the line…that’s pretty damn good.
That’s about what BJ Raji had in 2008 (14) even tho he was used much more as the off tackle and a ‘pass rusher’(cuz they had Ron Brace, who’s bigger then Raji)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Doesn't
this all depend on the defensive philosophy the Giants are embracing.
If they expect the DT’s to penetrate and make plays, then they need a more stout MLB because the DTs won’t command the double team.
If they go with a bigger DT that isn’t expected to beat his blocks, but to alter the flow around him allowing other faster players to proceed to the ball.
we have Justin TUck,
Osi Umenyiora, Matthias Kiwanuka…hopefully Clint Slintim is alive, as is Canty, Cofield and Alford.
…I’d say if these guys are playing up to potential and not hurt, the NYG’s got pass rush down..don’t ya think?
What they are missing is 6"4 325lbs of quick fast, blocker occupying Fred Robbins…cuz he’s shot.
Dan WIlliams doesn’t need to rush the passer. Dan Willams needs to take up space and let everyoen else do their thing. THo Dan Williams is fully capable of making tackles and plays.
I like Brian Price…but if anything, the Giants could USE a fat tack to hold up against the Eagles, Pokes and Redskins massive interior lines.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
i would sign up for that draft any day.
this may sound dumb but i believe it. angerer is a non flashy player just a solid always makes the rite play player. so he dont get the hype.
Dan Williams vs Brian Price
I don’t think you can go wrong with either.
Williams is significantly bigger.
Price is smaller, but has a motor that doesn’t quit. The reason he had so many tackles for losses is because he doesn’t give up on a play and chases people down from behind.
DT Dan Williams
Williams used Senior Bowl week to clearly separate himself from Alabama’s Terrence Cody as the best two-gap defensive tackle in this year’s draft. Cody was completely out of shape at the weigh-in while Williams carried his 329 pounds well. Most of his weight was in his trunk, which is what you want from a player who is asked to anchor and hold his ground against double-teams. Williams did both of those things much better than Cody during practice, using his arms to control defenders and showing more balance and athleticism. In fact, Williams had such a strong overall week that he is solidly in the late-first round area. He is the prototypical two-gap player and will be capable of playing at the NFL in either a 4-3 system in which he protects the linebackers or in a 3-4 scheme in which he lines up at nose tackle. Williams would grade out a bit higher if he had a wider arsenal of pass rush moves to complement his strong bull rush, but he helped himself a lot at the Senior Bowl.
DE/DT Jared Odrick
He’s a player who could have some serious value to the Giants. He’s a DT but he’s athletic enough to play DE. With the Giants mixing things up so much on the D-line, that’s a guy who might be attractive to them.
Earl Thomas
Earl Thomas is the guy i want to see the giants draft, they NEED a safety and Thomas is a perfect fit for tampa 2
by hotshot5568@aim.com on Feb 1, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
Williams V Price
From what I understand Williams is a big powerful DT who eats up blockers. He rarely makes plays or breaks into the endzone, but he demands a double team.
Price is more of an individual who has problems NOT getting into the backfield. He makes plays, makes hits, but has problems shedding the block.
While I’d love Price, I really want Williams. See our line has play maker capabilities. Tuck is a threat on every down, but not when he gets double/triple teamed. Price could be a great asset, but only if he can beat his man. With Williams, we know the guy will eat up blockers freeing up Tuck, Osi, and whoever. That, to me, is what this line needs most. I’m not opposed to either though.
I meant backfield, not endzone.
Yeah. Just what the Giants need. Another guy who can’t get them into the endzone. lol.
Williams
the thing I like about him, from what I’ve been reading, is that he really sounds like he could succeed in a 4-3 or as the NT in a 3-4. Obviously, with Fewell, the Giants aren’t going to be switching to a 3-4 this year or next, but who knows who long Coughlin/Fewell will be around for, and having a moose like that on the line gives the next coach/coordinator some additional flexibility that we don’t have now.
2009 Did Not Happen
Williams has been known to be that rather large man
who’s chasing down RB’s on the sideline.
Think…BJ Raji
Tho I dunno what makes you say that about Price…he was one of the top DT’s in all of college football in TFL’s.
If anything, its Dan Williams who doesn’t get in the backfield, tho that usually isn’t his job.
Brian Price basically lived in the opponents backfield, set up a picnic blanket, and ate everything that moved.
If the Giants are going DT in round one, between these 2, and Odrick…I don’t think they could go wrong
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I would like to say this on Price
While on paper he had a fantastic year, and he did (I sadly sat through him destroying my Sun Devils) I didn’t see the consistency that we need. If we’d get him at 15 to be a pass rushing DT, I don’t think we the fans are going to be happy on a consistent basis. As of now, unless something shows up on him, I don’t think we need another inconsistent player on our D. Check out his last bowl game against Rutgers, not sure if he even made the flight. And no offense to Rutgers, but he should have had a Suh type game. Just saying…
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Feb 2, 2010 4:24 AM EST up reply actions
Don't know what game you are referring to...
but UCLA played Temple in their bowl game and Price had a EXCELLENT game. I watched the entire game.
My bad, Temple
and while I didn’t watch the WHOLE game, from what I saw, personally I wasn’t that impressed. He should have taken over vs. Temple. I guess that’s just what I saw, and if we go that route, I hope I’m wrong.
"Uh-huh, uh-huh. Okay. Um, can you repeat the part of the stuff where you said all about the...things? Uh… the things?" - Homer Simpson
by GiantSunDevil on Feb 2, 2010 2:26 PM EST up reply actions
Williams
Will be available at 15 but I’m starting to think we should trade down and get a late 2nd after swapping with a team in the mid 20s. I’m all about this Angerer guy as well, and I would really like to see the Giants draft Myron Rolle as well.
by wangstu13 on Feb 1, 2010 5:19 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Angerer is good if other guys are gone
but I wouldn’t target him though. I liken him to Zach Thomas. I’d prefer Daryl Washington over him.
Angerer --- Zach Thomas
Washington——Jon Vilma?
the problem is, Washington may be a WLB. He plays the Mike in a 4-2-5, so if he’s in the 4-3, that’s a bit of a position change.
Sean Weatherspoon the same thing…I don’t think these 2, while they’ve played “MLB” in college, with the Giants they’d probably be WLB..which Boley is
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I would love to draft Daryl Washington in the 2nd
He needs to put on some more muscle but other than that he looks to be a great LB and besides mlb’s are always mlb’s. It’s not much of a position change he always lined up over the center in college.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 1, 2010 8:36 PM EST up reply actions
Also
I’m responsible for about 100 of those Nfl 2010 Mock Draft searches
I've got to disagree about it being fun
Uncertainty is never enjoyable.
{I always skip the draft in madden}
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
whaaaaa?
the draft is like my favorite part of Madden. Do you play NCAA Football and import the draft class? If not, you should – it’s the bomb diggity.
2009 Did Not Happen
I've never owned NCAA Football
considering the Xbox I’m using to play Madden isn’t even mine, I don’t think I’ll make some more investment in games.
Also, I hate having the “fake” people with the animated faces. It doesn’t make a difference visually play wise since noone looks like how they do anyways, but it’s annoying when there’s “Jack smorginborg” and I’m like who the hell is that? Then I find out he’s secretly the best running back in the game but I haven’t noticed.
So pretty much, I like holding onto the “real” people as much as possible.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Pro Football weeky
Has the Giants taking Rolando McCalin, MLB, Alabama, but I don’t think he’s going to be there when the Giants get to pick.
Yeah picking a TE in the first round makes no sense. If anything the Giants are now loaded at the WR/TE position.
I'd love to have Gresham
if he was sitting there in the 3rd round…
It just makes no sense, like a few mock drafts having the Giants draft Dez Bryant because they “have no #1 WR”……
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Those sites should be burned
In some type of virtual way.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Draft
I don’t want the G men to draft a DT. They should sign Casey Hampton or Vince Wilfork, and signJulius Peppers as a FA. Then they need to dump Rocky Bernard, Canty, CC Brown, A Pierce, D Clark, Robbins, Dockery, and Wilkinson. They need to do whatever it takes to draft Rolando McClain in the 1st Rd., then go after the best safety in round 2 This plan will get our defense back in the top 5.
I dunno man...
that’s a lot of money. Wilfork’s not going anywhere, and Casey Hampton doesn’t fit at all cuz he basically just stands there and holds his ground.
I’d love to sign Peppers…but he’s gonna get more then Haynesworth. He’s not without major questionmarks too (he’s basically forcing his way out of Carolina, he takes plays off, he’s not all that much of a vocal leader, he just does his thing)
They’re also not gonna go out there and outspend other more willing teams, no matter if there’s no cap.
McClain is also good. He also won’t be there at #15 most likely. There’s other options in the draft for MLB.
If they’re doing whatever it takes to get McClain…they’re likely not getting anything in the 2nd round b/c they traded it to get McClain.
With all the other MLB’s in the draft…I’m fairly convinced that trading up for McClain is completely unnecessary.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
It's not feasible unfortunately
I’d love to get Wilfork but the Pats would never let him go. Peppers probably won’t come anyways either to share time with Osi/Tuck/Kiwi.
As much as I love playing and talking about it, this isn’t madden.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Idk if its true
but i heard the patriots might actually let wilfork walk..if that happens i hope the giants make a move…but anything is possible and i just dont know yet
true..anything's possible
but they traded Richard Seymour in order to free up money to re-sign Wilfork.
Wilfork’s possibly the best all around 3-4 DL in the game (he plays DE for them sometimes), I doubt they let him go.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
Do you think
the giants would b intrested in richard seymor??
No way they do that
Even if they don’t sign him long term, they’ll franchise him. Wilfork won’t like it, but no way Bill let’s that guy go. The Pat’s have enough defensive problems.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Wilfork
wants a long term deal, and slapping a franchise tag on him would be a slap in the face to him. I’m sure we are all salivating at the possibility of getting him but the chances of us signing him are about the same as me getting into the playboy mansion
Pats could do what we did with Jacobs last year
use the Franchise tag on him just to have more time to work out a new long term contract. I’m sure that Wilfork would prefer to stay in NE with BB than go somewhere else so I really really doubt there is any chance Wilfork is not a patriot next year.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 2, 2010 12:14 AM EST up reply actions
Sounds like a Dan Snyder move
The Giants are smarter than that. Find a develop talent via the draft.
Scouts, Inc on Myron Rolle
Florida State SS Myron Rolle — Rolle showed up in excellent shape despite taking a year off from football to study as a Rhodes Scholar. That is a testament to his discipline, something that will serve him well if he is to continue balancing his academic and football careers, and he eased concerns about how his studies might affect his on-field performance.
As far as that on-field performance is concerned, Rolle understandably started the week slowly. He appeared hesitant on Monday but that tentative play gave way to aggressiveness as the week progressed. His intelligence clearly isn’t limited to his academic pursuits either, as he rarely took false steps in run support and regularly put himself in position to make plays on the ball in coverage.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Scouts Inc on Brandon Graham (a possible OLB sleeper?)
Michigan DE/OLB Brandon Graham — While he could still line up at defensive end in the NFL, Graham lacks prototypical height (6-foot-1) for the position and we feel after watching him this week he is a better fit at outside linebacker. In fact, his strong performance and a relatively weak outside linebacker class could make him the first outside linebacker to come off the board as a late-first round pick.
Graham’s ability to get to the quarterback stood out during the game on Saturday. He used his active hands and initial quickness to beat West Virginia LOT Selvish Capers around the edge and wrap up West Virginia QB Jarrett Brown up for a second-quarter sack, and his third-quarter sack and forced fumble against LSU LOT Ciron Black showcased his nonstop motor. That play was not surprising given his effort in practice during the week, when he finished every drill and gave maximum effort during team periods. Finally, Graham showed great instincts and discipline against the run during the week.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I'd love to get him....
its just, do they need to get a DE?
People wanna argue against Spiller or a RB high..yet, DE is just as much a part time player for the Giants…probably out there less then Spiller would be on offense.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I don't talk about Spiller
because I can’t believe he’d drop to us. And if he did, I don’t think we’d be smart enough to pick him. DT is just so safe. But if you’re in the 3rd or 4th and Brandon Graham is around, he might pair nicely with Sintim, and be a beast on specials. We’d still need an MLB though.
Late 1. Price/Williams
2A. Angerer? Spikes?
2B. Myron Rolle
3. Graham
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I'd love Brandon Graham to be there in the 3rd...
but Brandon Graham…the way he’s going, may not be there for #15 overall!
Graham’s likely cementing himself as the top 3-4 OLB, and the Dolphins and Broncos would love to grab him.
I always see mocks with Sergio Kindle or someone like that in the first..and I think Graham’s ahead of them right now.
I don’t think the Pat Angerer bandwagon’s that full yet..so he could probably be had in round 3.
If we’re trading down, to say…26 or so?
More likely is probably
1) Odrick DT
2A) Morgan Burnett S
2B) Maurkice Pouncey OC
3) Angerer MLB
Angerer is said to be a 4-5th round pick (why…dunno). 3 is probably reaching, but I think he’s a solid pick.
I think if they trade down, Price and Williams are probably gone, but Odrick is probably there (and probably a balance of the 2 in terms of what Odrick does…)
Maurkice Pouncey, Florida’s C, can play all 5 line positions…at a pretty high level too.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
I think Pouncey's a little raw.
A solid project, but a project.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Trade up with Buffalo
From 15 to 9 (swap picks) and throw in Osi plus a 3rd or 4th rounder. Wilfork is an unrestricted FA so you make a big offer and force the Pats to franchise him to spend more money or lose him.
Peppers then can play in Osi’s spot. Who do we have that is better than Hampton. Tell me who we could get as an UFA that would be better than Casey Hampton. Mr. FreeBradshaw what is your solution for our pathetic def line. We cant solve all our def problems thru the draft. I love Jerry Reese but he messed up last year with his FA signings, except for Bolley.
So...
we trade Osi..who may or may not come back with a vengance in 2010, to move up 6 spots…give up a 3/4…to get a rookie? If the draft isn’t gonna help us, I doubt that trading Osi for a rookie is gonna help.
The Giants DL is not pathetic. All in all, its the same guys, plus Kiwaunuka, that won the SB for the Giants.
I’m leaning on them being mismanaged by their DC…not complete utter lack of talent.
They do not need to go out there and spend on FA..which they probably won’t.
FA, big name signings..is Daniel Snyder talk anyway…and that doesn’t do anything.
Their problems, if they get solved, will more then likely be a combo of Perry Fewell, no injuries and some parts in there, be it by draft or some low profile signings.
…not big names.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
I think we can learn our lesson
Unless you have lots of time to kill, which maybe you do, I think we should leave the contentious types alone.
He’s not going to agree with you ever, no matter how right you are.
Unless you feel like being a troll slayer, in which case, all power to you.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
yea this is 2 nights in a row I think...
fool me once, shame on you..
fool me twice…..
I think I’ll shy away from BBV for a minute.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Feb 1, 2010 10:30 PM EST up reply actions
56 you're either a crazy madden player
or a yankees fan, with your fire sale/ signt he all-pro team mentality!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Feb 2, 2010 7:40 AM EST up reply actions
Our DLine
Is not pathetic. They didn’t live up to the hype that’s for sure, but when you lose your starting DT before the season(Alford), Tuck plays injured from week 2 and Osi coming off a major injury, that’s our best 3 linemen all not playin or playin up to our lofty standards. Couple that with injuries to Canty, KP, Ross, KDock, Sintim, and AP(I know this was a bit later) but we have all the pieces. It’s just those pieces were broken and we had a DC who couldn’t teach his way out of kindergarten class. We all think our defense is so atrocious and this year it was, but the talent is still top notch.
What if McCain turns out
To be another Patric Willis, or Harry Carson? You made such a big deal about Hakeem Nicks stats being skewed by having 3 big games. It seems to me that Osi had one big game against the Eagles in 07, with 6 sacks in one game, didn’t that skew his stats ?. All you Giants fans have been bellyaching about Osi never playing the run even in his best year. How did FA Darren Sharper work out for the Saints this year. Oh yea how about the FA QB for the Saints, I forgot his name. We desperatly need a MLB, DT and Safety and you are not going to get all three impact players in this draft. Didn’t Belicheat trade Richard Seymour. I say better let them go a year early than a year too late.
Yeah, for me, I would like to see us moving up to get McClain now
I think its the best thing the Giants can do…. Perhaps we trade our 1st (15), next years 2nd (hopefully 64 :P) and a 5th(in the 150 range) to get their 1st (10).
Getting McClain would considerably bolster our LB crew and maybe give us someone who can actually cover TE’s.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Feb 2, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions
wow i'm on here real late,i think it's me who's pathetic...
…not the D-Line.Anyway,we’re not getting rid of Osi at all.He’ll be plenty $motivated$ to build his rep up for when his contract expires and he’ll be out there tomahawk choppin’ the ball out of QB’s hands the same way he did before he blew out his ACL.I am on board with beating the Dolphs to Mcclain preferring to use picks from next years lame ass draft.If not that than Earl Thomas at 15 is looking real good….major ballhawk.I’m sure JR will find out what Fuel wants at DT and get that type of guy be it DWill or Price or move down for Odrick.Don’t sleep on OT Brian Baluga if he slips.Rolle as a 2 is really stupid.Chad Jones or Burnett are way better.Oh well its 3AM so…….
I'm with the side
saying our DL has potential that wasn’t used right in the BS era. The only one I’m dying to drop is Bernard. Frankly I’d value a good safety OR linebacker ahead of a DT, barring the DT option is a far better player. Maybe it’s homerism, but I can’t help feeling that Osi/Kiwi/Tuck/Alford/Robbins/Cofield/Canty is a formidable force in the right hands.
You play to win the game!
thats how i feel
.. i love the talent at DT in this draft.. but using our #1 at the position is a crapshoot. but again
our needs are clearly a DT, MLB, or S
right now.. we have Canty, alford returning, and cofield, robbins. etc.. i believe there is much untapped talent there. YES we ARE lacking the big beast who takes up space on run Defense
S, we have kP, who could be done for his career, aaron rouse, and mjohnson.. that list is suspect at best. I love kp, i pray he has a full recovery… but he made mjohnson a better player..
LB, we have AP, Goff, and .. ?? o yes, blackburn.. – this group is unproven. and lacks a playmaker. blackburn is a hard worker.. great player to have on your team, but lacks talent. goff.. i liked his play coming after the pierce injury, but relying on him is bad news imo. and pierce as we know may be at the end of his road in Giant blue.
so as i see it, we shoot the 3 and go for mcclain.. he seems a lock and a future stud who has few if any flaws.- after him it gets tough.. i like thomast the safety, something tells me he will play much bigger than his 5’10" frame in the NFL, and should make an imeediate impact w/ the giants… and Big D Williams is just what the giants need, a big boy who will help our anemic run Defense. and add size to our SMALL defense.. out lb’s are small and our Dline is small(or at least has played small) and a DT would also create plays for our linebackers to make. so in essence.. thats two birds w/ one stone.
great teams historically start within.. oline and dline.. so when it comes draft day.. its going to be whether the giants rate earl thomas or dan williams higher on there draft board
Our defense has alot of talent..but played with zero intensity and agression..
I blame Sheridan for that..He had them on their heels all season..Good luck Dolphins..Joey Porter is already asking to be released..as soon as he learned Sheridan was coming to town, he wants out.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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