New York Giants Notes: Injury Updates

by Ed Valentine on Dec 4, 2010 10:10 AM EST in New York Giants News

Before you all sit down to watch college football today or head off to begin whittling down that Christmas list, let's look at a few items of interest to New York Giants fans.

Injury Update: T Shawn Andrews, CB/RS Will Blackmon, WR Hakeem Nicks and C Shaun O’Hara are out for Sunday. T David Diehl and WR Steve Smith are doubtful after practicing on a limited basis the past few days. CB Brian Jackson, CB Aaron Ross and DE Osi Umenyiora are probable.

Do not expect to see Smith or Diehl in uniform this weekend.

I am utterly amazed by the fact that the Giants -- yes, the Tom Quinn-coached Giants special teams -- are third in the league in kickoff coverage, surrendering just 19.9 yards per return. The Giants face a challenge from Washington's Brandon Banks, who averages 27 yards per return (5th in the league). Banks also averages 11.3 yards per punt return.

"They count on field position with him," said Giants coach Tom Coughlin.

New York Daily News columnist Gary Myers took Antrel Rolle to task, not only for his inappropriate comments this week, but for talking way too freely ever since he came to the Giants.

Antrel Rolle has been a very good addition to the Giants' secondary this season, but if he doesn't develop a filter between his brain and his mouth, he's going to talk his way right out of town.

Rolle has been on, well, quite a roll in his first season with the Giants. He says what comes to mind, which you may have noticed by now. He needs to wake up and realize he's no longer in laid-back Arizona, where he spent the first four years of his career.

The more Rolle talks, the deeper the hole his tongue digs.

I am no fan of Myers, but I have to agree with him. It's time for someone in the Giants organization to sit Rolle down and shut him up.

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19.9 but still starting at the 35...

I guess it always seems like they give up more because they never kick it into the end zone

by DukBudr on Dec 4, 2010 10:32 AM EST reply actions

Coverage

They have given up a few big returns, but they’ve been pretty good. Tynes kickoffs have been good enough, even though he doesn’t get many touchbacks. The key, when you listen to a lot of these guys, is that Tynes is putting the ball where the coverage team expects it to be.

by Ed Valentine on Dec 4, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions

+1

Just because Tynes isn’t putting it 5 yards deep into the end zone, doesn’t mean he isn’t doing exactly what is asked of him. The Seattle game comes to mind.

Beat the Redskins.

by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 4, 2010 11:23 AM EST up reply actions

Yes tito..He did a great job in that game..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 11:40 AM EST up reply actions

Apparently we are not subpar in covering kickoffs, but we are lousy at covering punts and returning them,

Third worst in avg. punt return allowed (Well behind SD, though, who has been gashed this season on ST and has had four Scifres punts blocked).

Fifth worst in avg. punt return (6.3 yd. avg.)

Not exactly what I would call stepping up and making big plays in punt coverage.

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 4, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions

get someone to put it thru the endzone all the time

by SNORKIS on Dec 5, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions

I didn't like the kickoff coverage last week

I personally just don’t like it when I don’t see the returner get touched or at least is threatened to get tackled until he reaches the 25-30 yard line and then is tackled by a guy who sheds a block. But I guess its been adequate with the rest of the league

by Nfpdawg on Dec 4, 2010 11:28 AM EST reply actions

I am confounded by that stat..They are getting better..

But they still give up field position…19.6 sounds good on paper..that’s about it..Geez..If they want to record a stat, how about average field position allowed the opponent?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 11:39 AM EST reply actions

That was my point above...

by DukBudr on Dec 4, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions

Oh yeah you did dukB..in less words too!..lol

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 2:54 PM EST up reply actions

Yeah

I’m not saying the end zone is the only solution, but if Tynes booted it through the back every time (not saying he can) they would always start at the 20, and I would gladly take that!

by DukBudr on Dec 4, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions

He probably could if he borrowed the 'Shoebombers' sneakers..He's not using them anymore...

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

I'm not sure

if any kicker can do that reliably outside of Denver.

Just keep coming and we'll find a way to win, because the opportunity is there.
The opportunity is there.
Coach Coughlin

by Willgfass on Dec 4, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions

Rolles

Comments really didn’t bother me until the military comment. He has a point about the booing, I’ve been to a couple giants games and crowd noise is never a factor for the opposing team but the boos be very loud if we don’t go for it on 4th down in ridiculous situation or if the team is down going to half time

by omfGIANTS on Dec 4, 2010 11:46 AM EST via mobile reply actions

Im not going down the boo road again.

by costanza! on Dec 4, 2010 12:10 PM EST up reply actions

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo..hahaha

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions

I just read that Rolando McClain

has arthritis in his foot. Yikes!

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Dec 4, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions

If this is the case and im sure it is

then why am i ready to lite up a cigarette during kick offs?

And i don’t smoke.

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Dec 4, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions

Article on the Giants' WRs

CBS Sports

Manningham had his first taste of being the No. 1 receiver last week vs. Jacksonville. So far, so good. The former Michigan product caught three passes for 61 yards, including a 26-yard touchdown in the fourth quarter that helped the Giants rally from an 11-point second-half deficit.

And while the Jaguars didn’t double team Manningham in the Giants’ 24-20 win, they used their safety to provide the cornerback with help.

This story says that Smith’s injury takes six weeks to be fully recovered. I hope he doesn’t push himself to get out there next week, which would be four weeks.

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Dec 4, 2010 12:43 PM EST reply actions

and that takes away the TD that Boss' holding penalty negated

and the duck Eli threw when HAM burned the Jags secondary and would’ve at least had a 40-50yarder, possibly a longer play as a TD if he kept his feet (which is against the laws of Giants football..but still)

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 4, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions

Yes..It would have been even a better day for him..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 1:11 PM EST up reply actions

Manningham is more than capable.

It’s the new guys around him that worry me.

Thankfully we have two very talented pass catching tight ends to ease his burden a bit.

Beat the Redskins.

by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 4, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions

Embarrassment of riches

To be down our starting two receivers and have our third receiver be good enough to be a #1 with a number of teams in this league

by BigBlueHoo on Dec 5, 2010 5:35 AM EST via mobile up reply actions

Prefer Smith and Nicks for Vikings, even Eagles

The target for getting as many healthy people as possible is the Eagles on the 19th.

The Giants can win the next two with injuries. DO NOT RUSH people back – until the Eagles.

I am hoping to see starters Diehl, Smith, Nicks and MAYBE O’Hara back for the 19th.

What is the plan for a center in 2011? Seubert is a good fill in but IMO he is not the solution. Not sure Koets is either.

by MSP Giant on Dec 4, 2010 1:00 PM EST reply actions

Seubert's done very well

its like O’hara hasn’t even missed a game. Koets did well too and he’s young..why not him? I don’t think O’Hara can be ruled out either, he’s old but if this injury is something he can recover from (it might not be…) then he will be a possibility too.

Unless there’s an O’Hara out there in FA(a veteran backup the Giants will try and coach up) or someone like Kris O’Dowd lands in their lap in the middle of the draft (aka a center with elite size and skill), I don’t think there’s anything different going on there.

I wouldn’t count on one being drafted, or at least one being drafted too high. The GIants trust their OL coach and the ability of those guys here being taught versatility. Koets was drafted as a LT, so I wouldn’t even rule out Mitch Peppers being the OC of the future.

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 4, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions

Agree

I don’t see the Giants drafting a center early, even mid-draft with the way Koets/Seubert played in O’hara’s absence.

Beat the Redskins.

by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 4, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions

All good points on Center

So we have three options and Petrus a possible fourth.

IMO Koets is average. No better. He could develop. Dunno.

O’Hara is getting older. Seubert IS older (chronolgically and otherwise). I do not see either of these guys being more than a backup after 2011.

So in 2012 we have Koets backed up by Seubert or a low level pick. Maybe Petrus in the mix.

Guess I can live with that but it is not a Pro Bowl solution at that position. Guess it does not have to be if the guards are good enough.

by MSP Giant on Dec 4, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions

Also keep in mind O'Hara was playing at a high enough level this year

He isn’t completely over the hill yet, and still may give Koets valuable time to develop next season.

Beat the Redskins.

by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 4, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions

I think Koets

is fortunate he got his new deal, because the next day he tore his ACL. I don’t see him
or Seubert as any long them solutions. I would disagree with those that say we haven’t missed a beat without O’Hara (although I think he is a goner at seasons’ end)…
Part of the inconsistency of the running game is not always making the proper line calls
(which O’Hara does well), and that adds to the inconsistent blocking as well.
I am not laying that all on Seubert or Koets when he played, saying the line functions much more smoothly when O’Hara is in the middle, my guess is they will draft a center.

When asked if he is scared of the Redskins..
" I am scared of 3 things, spiders, snakes, and the IRS".

Bill Parcells

by Great Gatsby on Dec 5, 2010 8:21 AM EST up reply actions

Mitch Peppers

the porn star?

by costanza! on Dec 4, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions

yes

Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows

by Rorschach44 on Dec 4, 2010 4:32 PM EST up reply actions

Ha!

That kid is talented

by costanza! on Dec 4, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions

Hmmm..I wouldn't want Eli taking his balls from center..Can he play 'tight end'?

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions

Mitch Peppers and his teammate...

…Jason Tuck are not to be trifled with.

by Step up and make big plays on Dec 4, 2010 5:15 PM EST up reply actions

agree

and it’s harder for Smith, coming off his injury, to come back early, because the slot receiver has a lot more significant role as a blocker in the run game.

by blumag on Dec 4, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions

I agree about not rushing them back..Would like to have at least one of them for the Vikes..

But yeah please do not come back too early..Also I think we’re just fine at Center…

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions

BBV: Well, the Giants have only “lost” one game. Indianapolis flat out destroyed them in Week 2. The Giants beat themselves in losses to Tennessee, Dallas and Philly

This is why I hate the Giants more than any other team: fans.

You realize that game could’ve been a blowout? We gave the game away just as much as you did. ANd talk about a team that wins and its SB talk to a team that loses and it ends up being “2nd half collapse” talk.

Come on Ed, you’re supposed to be the voice of BBV, the most non objectionable analysis and you write we would be 10-1 if we didn’t beat ourselves?

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Dec 4, 2010 1:28 PM EST reply actions

I'm not a believer in the concept of beating yourself

You can make things easier on your opponent with turnovers and penalties but the other team still has to make you pay for them. Nobody willfully loses a game so the other team has to have a part in it.

Case in point, Eli’s belly flop led to a fumble that was alertly picked up by an Eagles player. In last year’s game at Giants Stadium, an Eagles player fumbled the ball and all of our defensive players just stood there until the ball was called dead. One team took advantage and another team didn’t.

As for hating the Giants, thanks for the input but I think it’s safe to say that no Giants fan cares.

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Dec 4, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions

it was a poor ass answer for the owner of BBV

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Dec 4, 2010 1:46 PM EST up reply actions

Yo Joe..I sense for some reason you may be in a bad mood today...

A team can beat themselves especially when you lead the league in turnovers 30-something and counting…But Ghost makes a point..the opposing team has to take advantage of them..Heck we’ve won games where we were beating ourselves..Beating yourself or letting a team beat you..synonomous..bottomline is we lost..The Eagles deserve and earned where they are, and so did we. I think that’s what Ed meant..Don’t get itchy underwear over it..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions

it was a poor answer

And bottom line is the Giants are 7-4. And yes, a lot of small things make the difference between winning big or losing big. But forget Eli’s belly flop. We’re one phantom encroachment penalty from the Eagles punting with less than 5 minutes left in the game trailing by 1. I wouldn’t be feeling too proud if I were you guys, because you’re looking more vulnerable every week (you had to come back at home against the Texans for god’s sake!), and every time Vick has to be scraped up off the carpet.

by blumag on Dec 4, 2010 2:03 PM EST up reply actions

we had to play 4 games in 18 days and went 3-1 .

That’s pretty tough to do. I never thought we were this untouchable team as is. I think once we get a little healthier we’ll be better.

But… everyone keeps saying “blueprint for Vick.” we scoared 27 on Giants, 27 against Bears and 34 gainst texans. Hell if thats the blue print I hope it is. I’ll take that every game.

Yeah a team can do a lot to hurt itself (like drop TD passes in the end zone)

I just expect better answers from a blog owner and the NY Giants represntatives. You’re not the damn Redskins…

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Dec 4, 2010 2:15 PM EST up reply actions

Joe actually you went 3-1 in 17 days..

I am not going to as a fan make excuses for why they lost….But we all have pretty damn good reasons..and I’ll comment on how we did against every team we play..and when they make the mistakes they make and lose..we’ll discuss what those mistakes..Absolutely no negative reflection on the Eagles or anyone else. The only team we praise or lambast is the Giants..You break the game down, point out , and discuss the reasons for it..Now if we stunk, that would be different..I don’t believe I’ve ever read anything from Ed Valentine that was intended to criticise the Eagles..Does he and the rest of us want to beat you??..Hell yeah we all do..same over on BGN..about us..Did you ever have a BBV troll over there?…We have a shitload show up from over there..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions

Great googly moogly

What gos on here.

Joe_D your in 1st place ,why so bitter?

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Dec 4, 2010 2:55 PM EST up reply actions

Beat the Redskins.

by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 4, 2010 2:58 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs

Hahaha!!

Beautiful…‘Dance and STING’..haha!..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions

Loddy Doddy Da...

Shoot im just happy we’re still relevant. All the injuries and when we were healthy, we couldn’t hold on to the ball.

Very lucky to be 7-4 IMO

I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.

by Troy O on Dec 4, 2010 3:15 PM EST up reply actions

Agree on that troy

Beat the Redskins.

by tito (eight and oh) on Dec 4, 2010 5:41 PM EST up reply actions

Looks like Wade Phillips...

I'm gonna buy a HDTV with 3D technology so I can intercept an Eli Manning pass before the season is over.

by nywins42 on Dec 4, 2010 4:55 PM EST up reply actions

Haha!!..yeah he does..and we know who he's hating..lol

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions

The first one

to D. Jackson I would not put in the dropped pass category, had to dive to the ground with a defender in front of him, do you know he wasn’t shielded?
Second one by Avant (he of the “great hands”) was a drop ,oops. I would not equate dropped passes whether it’s in the end zone or in the middle of the field with turnovers, it is an apples to oranges comparison. As far as I know, you don’t lose possession of the ball with a drop. We have no great love for Philly fans either, so touche! See you in a couple weeks.

When asked if he is scared of the Redskins..
" I am scared of 3 things, spiders, snakes, and the IRS".

Bill Parcells

by Great Gatsby on Dec 5, 2010 8:39 AM EST up reply actions

This is why...

Nah I’m not going down that road.

Just keep coming and we'll find a way to win, because the opportunity is there.
The opportunity is there.
Coach Coughlin

by Willgfass on Dec 4, 2010 2:44 PM EST up reply actions

I never have to question the reputation of Philadelphia fans

they consistently back it up…

by DukBudr on Dec 4, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions

let Rolle be Rolle

He hasn’t said one thing that’s hurt the team or anybody else, including the comment about the military, which got everybody’s panties in a knot.

by blumag on Dec 4, 2010 1:33 PM EST reply actions 1 recs

Seems like Smith should be back next week.

That’s good.

But check this out: Every week after we’ve played a non competitive game(preseason) or a bye week. We win our first game, then go on a 2 game losing streak and after that we get on a winning streak.

After the Panthers game, we were feeling very good about ourselves and then loss to the Colts and Titans big time. We came back on a Sunday night game and we re-established our Giants mentality and as we were riding at our highest(beating the Seahawks 41-7)… we loss to the Cowboys and Eagles that knocked us back down to reality.

Looks like we are back on the verge of greatness, just hope we don’t become overconfident… again!

by jdaking123 on Dec 4, 2010 2:32 PM EST reply actions

Why do people care about Rolle's comments?

Seriously? It harm’s no one. It seems everyone is looking deep into intangibles. FACT: Whether you’re a dick or not has no bearing on your skill.

by Lolmoarpl0x on Dec 4, 2010 5:52 PM EST reply actions

Let Rolle keep talking i dont mind

Die hard Giants fan since wide Right! I was 5...

by wangstu13 on Dec 4, 2010 7:40 PM EST reply actions

+1

As long as he keeps playing like this, I could care less what he says. Not to mention, everything he says is the TRUTH and I think the entire organization agrees.

P.S. Why do I not remember the “military comment”? Can someone refresh my memory?

by GiantLion on Dec 4, 2010 7:46 PM EST up reply actions

Sorry..I strongly disagree..That big mouth has along ways to go before he earns the Giant

Uniform he wears..I don’t give a rats ass how he’s been playing..As far as I’m concerned they can get rid of him..He’s been here for less than one season..Do you think that French Horned big mouth has earned the right to represent the team?? Alot of us that have been rooting for 50+ damn years?..Represents the generations of class and dignity that is the sole foundation of this franchise? What the hell has he done that makes him feel he has the right to say a Goddamn thing?..Screw him..I believe it was Bigblue that commented about how he is held to a higher standard..If he’s flapping his mouth it better be in the interests of the organization, it’s morals, its history..He’s nothing more than a punk padding his wallet on a radio show..The Giants could toss him tommorrow and not skip a beat..He sucks anyway..a couple of plays here and there, big deal..Sit down shut up or get lost..We don’t need assholes like that..we can win without them and have..If he wants to make extra money he should do info-mercial ads for hearing aids…because his crap is falling on deaf ears..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 8:35 PM EST up reply actions

He's not the worst loudmouth.

“I used a very poor, inappropriate example earlier today to demonstrate how seriously I take my job. Obviously there is no comparison between the men and women of our military putting their life on the line defending our country and what I do. They risk their lives and that gives me the opportunity to play a game for a living. After I made my earlier comments, somebody even said to me: how would your father, who is the chief of police in Homestead (Fla.) and puts himself at risk every day, feel about the comparison you made? Again, it was a very poor, very inappropriate choice of words.”

At least he’s not C.C.

by SHW350 on Dec 4, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions

That came hours after his talk-show gig..and most likely after he got

called down to the carpet in Coughlins office if not Reeses also..That statement was approved by the organization..Maybe his Father called him also..but that was purely manufactured…He’s too stupid to put that together by himself..and if the organization wasn’t concerned about their solid reputation, he would have not said anything at all..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 8:56 PM EST up reply actions

Again

I could care less what he says. ANd thats the great thing about being a fan for such a long time. Its not about the bodies they filter in and out of the roster over the course of your lifetime. Its about the Franchise. True some of those bodies have made contributions to society, heroes to look up, and some of the greatest memories ever. But Rolle is just another body. Some day, before you, I or most other fans are gone, Rolle will be. And will I give a damn about what he said in the grand scheme of Giant History? Hell no. I’ll remember how rich we made him and how he (helped) get us to #2 in total D. Money well spent.

I guess thats why I’, not a Tiki Hater. (wait a sec, worms come in a can?)

by GiantLion on Dec 4, 2010 10:03 PM EST up reply actions

canned worms are okay some times

I'm gonna buy a HDTV with 3D technology so I can intercept an Eli Manning pass before the season is over.

by nywins42 on Dec 4, 2010 10:13 PM EST up reply actions

The Coughlin Corner

Coughlin was talking about the turnovers and Michael Eisen asked him about the near turnover by Hagan on the first drive.

Q: You almost had one, but you won the challenge on the first series
Coughlin: “That’s right. That, on the other hand, should have gone in the damn end zone (the Giants settled for a field goal).”

"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss

by GhostDini on Dec 4, 2010 7:53 PM EST reply actions

Now there's a Head Coach right there..

That route was supposed to infiltrate the goal line..I’ll cut Hagan some slack, but in general our guys need to be cognizant of where they need to be…I think the guy that always went crazy over that was John Madden..time after time he would go off on a rant over that ..TC is a close second…A receiver needs to do the math at the line of scrimmage..“This is how far I need to drive the defender downfield before I make my break”..

"When I was a boy and I had no sense..I got my pecker caught in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair, tickled my balls and made me shit in my overalls..."

by Bobbiblue on Dec 4, 2010 8:48 PM EST up reply actions