'Kudos & Wet Willies,' The Mourning After Edition

DJAX FUMBLED/BOBBLED THE BALL

It happened against Minny and Camarillo a slow turd went like 70 yds

Why?

Cause our STs coach is incompetent and should have been fired after 2009

Cause they run past the punt returner at least once a game

What was going on at half time?

Obviously not the plan on how to eviscerate the Eagles and put them down.

More like how do we run out the clock, cause they played the second half not to lose

And they did

What an old story in sports

…I rack my brain, and cannot thing of one positive, outstanding, noteworthy thing her has done for this team this year (except be the hook up for a BBV user’s friends and family tickets). He is the very antithesis of stepping up and making big plays.

the same thing about this being a team wide (especially coaching) meltdown in one of yesterday’s post game threads.

Everybody should be embarrassed.

Dodge is actually the last person I blame. He got a high snap and he panicked — not wanting to get the punt blocked he rushed it and lost focus. A bad play yes, but Jackson should have been tackled especially because the bobble gave the punt team time to get there. And the little show of horrors in which everybody participated had far more to do with the loss than that last play.

If you think dragging yourself into work was har today, imagine my plight — I work in Philly.

Don’t blame Dodge! The rookie got a high snap, which threw off his timing and he rushed his kick. Big Deal. How about the other 10 guys who didn’t even come remotely close to touching Jackson! Put the blame where it should be, TC.

I can’t help but laugh at all the his defenders in the media and locker room. Sure, it never should have come down to his mistake, and sure the coverage team had several shots to make the tackle, but Jesus Christ this guy deserves EVERY bit of criticism he gets. He had a very good game up to that point, I’ll give him that. But it’s very simple: all he had to do what not kick a line drive to Jackson, and that’s exactly what he did. And the high snap is why he couldn’t angle the punt? As if that’s never been done in the history of punting? Come on. Plenty of blame to go around, but don’t dare defend Dodge.

I literally returned my chinese food after first two offensive possessions in2nd half

I said, oh no they brought in the prevent offense

WTF were they thinking, could have run the Eales d all over the field they were so hyper at start of second half

You never mothball your offense in NFL, you pile it on

As I was making coffee this morning, I thought: “what are the owners thinking?” My conclusion was just what Ed said: these guys are undisciplined and find ways to lose games they shouldn’t. I’m not a TC basher, quite the opposite, but if they don’t make the playoffs, he has to go. The team just doesn’t respond consistently.

As for the perspective, I missed the last two scores because I was at a memorial service for a woman who was much loved and died too young. We love our Gmen like they are life itself, but they are not….this is sport and fun stuff (except when it isn’t). We all feel miserable this morning, but let’s remember this isn’t like losing a family member. We will get by.

by the Giants collective effort on Special Teams to end the game. In the words of Charles Barkley, that was turrrrible, just turrrrrrible.

Look, I realize that the line they played yesterday was our “starting” OL. But Ohara had a LisFranq injury, which takes notoriously forever to heal, and our “backup” OL combination had been playing well enough that they warranted to be in there.

I said it before the game, I thought that this week we should have left the line alone and taken care of business, then NEXT week would have been the week to reshuffle the line.

Our offense was not the reason we lost yesterday, but reshuffling the the line in the biggest game of the season with a guy at center who hasn’t played in weeks makes no sense to me. I would say ok if the OL had been playing poorly, but they were nothing but solid and we just came off a 200yd rushing effort!!!

who came a-trolling. I was so happy to get back from my week-end away to spend my Sunday night cleaning up over 400 comments due to their efforts, with the bannings reaching 17 accounts so far. Enjoy your victory, don’t reinforce the stereotype of your fans being classless.

… was the best chance to tackle Jackson during the punt, also. Look again and you’ll see 84 go for the hand tackle and end up on his face.

was saying fire him earlier in the year and hire Cowher i was saying no hes a really good coach. Im not so sure anymore. His record in december as we all know is not good and how he didnt know and wasnt prepared for an onside kick is what is most troubling to me. He should of had his hands team out there for christs sakes. And when he was asked about it he said “we were more concerned about field position” Yeah well guess what? How did the field position work out for u yesterday TC? Historic collapse!!! And if you think they will be able to just shake this one off and move on youre wrong. That was our season yesterday. They will not win in Green Bay on sunday. Get ready for the draft boys!

He is notoriously tight. Listen to Strahan’s comments on 2007 Super Bowl film. He was so tight eating a hamburger was a surprising act.

In 2007 he faced the loss of his job, and probably no chance to get another (his age)
He found a way to loosen up, give up control and let his players play

He was successful, and was able to maintain that success and looseness right till Plax shot himself.

Since then he has returned to Tight Tom. The Giants struggle in big pressure games, and are notorious for playing tight with a lead.

Good man, good coach, fatally flawed?

Don’t get me wrong – there’s enough blame to go around.

However, Dodge was told before going out to punt to kick it out of bounds just before the play. He is an NFL punter who has now punted in as many games this year than in two years of college including preseason games.

Unlike a Justin Tuck or Mario Manningham or a David Diehl – all players who made poor plays that contributed to the loss – Dodge didn’t play half of the game, doing things which helped us get the big lead.

No. Dodge punted a few times and was okay with it – nothing spectacular, nothing horrible.

And then he was in for one play and asked to do one thing. And he failed. Miserably.

Dodge should not shoulder all of the blame but he should get a lot more than anyone else on this team with the exception of the coaches whose decisions had a lot more to do with the debacle than the players did.

Coaches need to put their players in a position to win. In this case, to close out a game. Across the board, they didn’t do that. Our special teams were not in a position to field an onside kick or get off a punt out of bounds. Our defense was not in a position to shorten the game. Our offense was not in a position to work clock.

Do any of those things and we win. But we did none of them.

The biggest Wet Willies go to Fewell, Killbride, Quinn and especially Coughlin for this fundamental failure at the worst of times against the worst of opponents.

We’re looking for scapegoats here and it’s easy to point at the coaching staff. I don’t know how many of you guys have played organized football but on my college team..when our coach told us to do something…we did it. If we didn’t execute and we were in the right play…it wasn’t the coaches fault…it was our fault.

The Giants were not unprepared. The Eagles didn’t surprise them. We see this team twice a year…EVERY year. With the way we were moving the ball on their defense…down by 2 scores with 7 minutes to play…MY MOTHER KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO ONSIDE KICK!! That’s not something Coughlin or Quinn had to tell them. With 14 seconds left, MY GRANDMOTHER KNEW NOT TO KICK THE BALL TO JACKSON. That’s not something Dodge had to be told.

If you look at the replay of the punt, he couldn’t be any more angled towards the sideline. He just missed the ball and kicked it off of the inside of his foot. This game was lost way before that punt. I’m not sure we go into overtime and beat the Eagles because the defense stopped believing in themselves. There’s no way our team should get 31 on the board and lose…not in a game where we had the lead.

The defense DID NOT step up and make big plays when they needed to and this lost is on the players…not the coaches. Eli did what we all hoped he would do and put points on the board, did it without a running game. The defense and special teams let us down.

Agree with what Ed said. Except I would have called it the “WTF Happened?” edition.

Kudos to the Eagles coaching staff. They kept their team from giving up as the Giants
have done repeatedly over the seasons. They won the strategy and mental game.
I would trade TC for Reid any day. Heresy, yes, but that is what I think.

Other than the non challenges (which falls on their assistants), they out coached NYG. Don’t care if this offends everyone here, areee with Ed on this. Shameful.

TC does not have the team discipline, he is the general, it is all on his shoulders, don’t care what he said to Dodge, etc. He often loses command of the team. Results count, pro football. There have been repeated incidences of inexplicable collapses under him and this was one of the worst ever in the NFL. Make a change end of season.

Double hard, pound sand and broken glass in your butt slimy Wet Willie for Quinn. If Quinn does not go immediately, TC should be fired end of season. I am still encouraging everyone on the site to add “Tom Quinn Must Go” to their signature. Having nobody as ST coach would be preferable. Could not be worse. Do it today. Maybe hire the Jet strength coach, I hear he is looking. :)

Wet Willies to some of the Eagle trolls that were on the site last night.
You denigrate your team with your obnoxious behavior. Behave like adults or stay home.
You won, be graceful.

A wet willie to JR/TC for not keeping Hagan in beginning and keeping Calhoun.
Yes Hagan made a mistake yesterday but Calhoun REALLY made a mistake on the
on side kick. May have speed but maybe less football IQ than Manningham. If that is
possible. He should be gone end of season. Idiot.

As for Dodge, not rocket science as was said. Whatyamean ya can’t kick it out of bounds? Does not matter how far or where, just not in that one spot. WTF? Problem is, if you cut him, who are you finishing the season with? Definitely needs a replacement, just when. You cannot lose your head, you are a professional. It is not about physical talent, it is about his mental abilities. Where is Jy Bond?

Don’t care what Douch-Sean Jackson says, he was showboating again, not trying to run out the clock. He is as much of an A*hole as he is talented. Another TO in the making. I hope someone puts a legal hard hit on him, burrying him in the ground. Next time.

Kwillie to KG. Some calls like the play action on the second Manny TD were good but where were the play action, screens, surprises at the end? Why not run the ball. At least run the clock.

And as for Fewell, why is it he cannot change? The blitzes were working, then not. When Vick starts running through the line, you have to contain. I don’t get it, you are a pro coach, use your brain.

Overall, this was terrible and as above, at the feet of TC since he is the leader. I usually can walk away and deal with a loss but I have to change the TV channel whenever they talk about this game. Just too frustrating. ’Nads in the vice again to dull the pain.

….unless we want to end up like Denver and pay multiple coaches simultaneously. I don’t believe that management believes he is that bad that it is better to cut ties with him and eat a year of his salary rather than let him coach out his contract.

Apart from the rebuilding year of 2004 when he took over, he has been 8-and-8 or better in every year since. Again, like Eli and his streak of 3,000+ yd. seasons, we sometimes forget how relatively spoiled we are, as we are currently experiencing one of the best stretches in franchise history.

What have you done for me lately?

I agree that only Eli deserves a kudo…sort of..it is hard to give Tuck and Osi willies when they are foolishly being told to drop back in coverage..like I said they changed their defense I am still in shock..a scheme that was working changed into a joke..and Coughlin let it happen..I thought I’d seen it all..man was I wrong..

Was changing the O-line again..that blew up our runnning game..but when we were up 28 points I didn’t think it mattered…wrong again, Bobby

I was nervous about O’Hara starting the game even before the fiasco took place. I hope the coaches will look at keeping Seubert at centre for the rest of the season. We weren’t running the ball that well, with O’Hara, even at the beginning of the year – most of the yards we were getting in the running game Bradshaw manufactured on his own. Brandon was having a very average season until the last 5 weeks. Brandon has had huge holes to run through the last three games. Not last night.

I want to read in the paper that Coughlin dressed down Quinn and the ST in front of everyone. I want to hear that Manningham is holding a ball all week and he owes $100 every time some one knocks it out. I want to hear that Dodge washed all of the dishes after lunch. Well, I really want to hear that Quinn is fired.

If you had asked me last night, I would have suggested the treatment they gave D’Onofrio in Full Metal Jacket.

The BIGGEST complaint all season has been about our ROOKIE punter. I bet if we were to do a poll of the responses here…Matt Dodge would dominate the discussion. Do you know how many teams wish they had a punter as their biggest issue. We knew coming into the season our Special Teams was going to be our weakness. Our offense and defense is good enough to overcome our special teams though. They should be.

That’s no excuse…but calling for the head of the Punter or ST Coach isn’t going to solve anything. Matt Dodge is going to get better, our ST will get better as the players get older. But, the defense has to show up and they didn’t.

It isn’t always the coach, these kind of losses have seemed to happen to the Giants with different coaches through the years. I don’t know what it is exactly, but they just seem to play not to lose, or find ways to lose at the end. They just don’t for whatever reason stomp on your throat when they get a lead against better teams, and it drives me crazy!!! The fumble, the false start, the inability to pick up a key first down, all would have won the game, or not giving up a one play drive? That being said this team is still very good just put together a win streak and who knows, sure is time to regroup though……oh and please fire quinn.

But he has to be of blame as a TOP 3 paid QB to get at least one first TD after the game was tied up.

Overall I’m really confused on how Eli and Nicks disappeared in the 4th quarter and when you’re the stars and leaders of the team …that can’t happen.

I also believe that we passed the ball too much yesterday and wasn’t patient enough with the run.

For all those that disagree with this post – How do you explain away us not moving the ball with all the injuries the Eagles had on defense?

My wife knows nothing about football nor does she want to. I told her the Eagles scored 4 tds in the last 7.5 minutes. She said ‘that doesn’t make sense’. Nuff said.

I only hope that the Giants don’t get their head up their asses about this. Beat the Pack next week and there is a very good shot at the playoffs.

Who here wouldn’t be looking forward to Giants at Eagles in the playoffs?