Randy Moss, Shawne Merriman On Waiver Wire
by Ed Valentine on Nov 3, 2010 7:00 AM EDT
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Randy Moss is on waivers. So is Shawne Merriman. By 4 p.m. EST today both marquee players are likely to have new teams. What a crazy day this promises to be.
We had a discussion about Moss and the Giants on Monday. Pretty obvious almost no one wants to see Moss in a Giants uniform, not that it has any chance of happening, anyway. We might as well have the same conversation about Merriman, a three-time Pro Bowl linebacker with the San Diego Chargers who is still just 26 years old.
I had an e-mail from a reader last night opining that Merriman might not be a bad fit for the Giants. Derrik, screen name unknown (that just sounds kinda cool, like introducing an old-time wrestler from 'parts unknown') writes:
"I was thinking about Merriman today, and I was wondering how he'd look in a Giants uniform. When he was initially released I said no, but now with Kiwi on IR, I'm not so sure. I think he'd be the perfect low risk, high reward player for the GMen. Playing in a similar role as kiwi, passing downs on both the DL and a LB spot, he'd fit right in."
I disagree. I understand the 'we have a spot because Kiwi is down' thinking, but Merriman not the fearsome player he once was.
Known as "Lights Out" because of his once-ferocious hits, Merriman had 39½ sacks in his first three seasons. He's had only four in the three seasons since then due to a variety of injuries.
He was suspended for four games in 2006 after testing positive for steroids. Even missing the four games, he had 17 sacks that year. Merriman blamed the positive test on a tainted supplement, which he never identified.
He also brought unwanted attention off the field. He was arrested just before the 2009 season after reality television star Tila Tequila accused him of battery and false imprisonment at his suburban San Diego home. No charges were filed, and Merriman and Tequila settled dueling lawsuits.
Merriman missed most of the 2008 season after undergoing reconstructive knee surgery. He had four sacks last year as he tried to regain his hard-hitting form. After sitting out most offseason workouts and part of training camp to protest his contract status, he was slowed by an Achilles injury and then a calf injury.
He had only five tackles and no sacks in limited action this year.
Merriman was given a "minor injury designation" last month when the Chargers placed him on IR, meaning he had to be released once he was healthy enough to play.
ESPN offers a long list of teams that could be interested n Merriman. The Giants are not on the list.
Here is a scouting report on Merriman from Scouts Inc.
"I'm not a big Shawne Merriman fan," Matt Williamson said. "I don't think he is nearly as good of a player as he thinks he still is. Injuries have really taken a toll since 2008. He wasn't helping" San Diego.
Between the injuries, the baggage, the fact that Merriman does not really seem like a fit for the Giants 4-3 and that there really does not seem to be a need for an outside linebacker right now I could not see the Giants making a move like this.
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Moss and the GIants obviously have no chance at a marriage
Moss is a nincompoop with no sense or reality. He’s still an elite deep threat that if say..was lobotomized and had SS12’s brain added in there, he’d really be the GOAT.
Merriman is a waste of time too. Yea…he’s available, but so what. He’s a DE with no explosion, no speed and merely a reputation from 4 years ago. Soon as he got busted for steroids he’s barely even worthy of an NFL roster. He’s a knucklehead and the Giants have never had any use for those sorts on the roster.
Give me Dave Tollefson and JPP over Merriman any day. I’d rather continue to let Sintim learn then let Merriman was space in the locker room. Let him and Tia Tequila have a crab boil in Maryland with Ray Lewis.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I'd rather have Tollefson, period
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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions
because one is a gamer who works hard,
keeps his mouth shut, is reliable and durable, and has no off-field issues with steroids and woman-beating, and costs little salary.
The other is Shawne Merriman.
Let Bill Belichik fix him.
FREE FREEBRADSHAW!!!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 3, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
HMMMM.. Maryland crab cakes.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Only thing about Merriman...
granted he isn’t a feared played anymore but neither is Jason Taylor but put in some good spots, where he really can’t fail, for the Jets this year he has had a few big plays (3 sacks 2 FF)
Lord Howard, Thy Holy Osgood, and Todd Bertuzzi --The Trinity of douche bags.
Jason Taylor is at the end of his career
so spot duty is good for him. The wanna be 56 is only 26 should be in his prime but got caught with the juice and shriveled into a shell of the player he once was.
same trhing was said about Carr
minus the roids…but he was still young and saw himself as a starter.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
he can still play at a high level.
if he stays healthy he’ll be a starter when he’s up to snuff on the play book.
so one could reasonably say that Taylor...
for the Jets this year he has had a few big plays
…stepped up?
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 3, 2010 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd take Taylor on the team in a second if this was him
He’s old, but he’s still got the instincts of a HOFer. Strahan was old in 2007 too, but still knew went to turn it on.
Merriman has no pass rush instincts whatsoever. The dude went 100% on roid rage to sack the QB. Now that he’s lost all that, he’s injury prone and useless. Shame for that to happen to a 26 year old, but as long as he’s not Antoine Walker’ing he should have a pretty nice bank account.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Im ok either way.....
I think Reese will take a look at Merriman and make the right decision, what that decision will be I dont know but I would not be mad if our roster statys the same or if our roster has Merriman on it. I look at it as he could take Reynad’s spot.
a lot of people said we should not of taken a look at Andrews, how is that working out?
I agree...
I dont think he would get to us, but I dont think that should stop us from taking a look, stranger things have happened. Im not saying I love the guy, I am actually not a big fan of him, I am very anti-steriods. But when all said and done and I am very Pro-improving the Giants roster. And can we all honestly say that we would take every single player on our roster right now over Merriman?
Question, Would you rather have Reynad take up a spot on the roster doing nothing or, give a shot to Merriman?
again I dont think he would get to us on waivers, just saying its worth a look see, just in case he does
Boomer and robin were on WFAN this morning saying that...
Moss was in NY visiting the Jets. It would be a left field move if the Jets pick him up. Based on what Oomer was saying, they Jets waouldn’t sign him because they need him. They would sign him to keep the Patriots from getting him back which I don’t think would be a good idea.
I missed the Randy to the Giants disscussion and as much as I like Randy, I have to say that No!! is my answer as well.
As far as Shawne, I don’t think that the Giants need him so why even look at him?
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 7:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
I would take Shawne over....
carrying two return men
Could be a sign that Ren... is on his way out.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 9:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I Hope So...
Reynaud Sucks!!! I’d rather have Merriman on the roster looking to redeem himself thatn seeing that guy looking like a deer in headlights every time he returns the ball. Hey you all know how things are in the league,…. when you’re doing good people love you,… when you’re doing bad, you suck!! So who’s to say that Merriman can’t redeem himself?
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 3, 2010 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Why don't
they bring in Merriman and just make it a quinella, lol!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
So would
the Dolphins, to block both the Jets and Pats. He will never get to either the Jets or Pats.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
WHY bother
They would sign him to keep the Patriots from getting him back
Revis basically shuts down Moss
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
My mathematical equation of the day
(Merriman – steroids) x bad attitude = not a good football player…where bad attitude encompasses lack of effort on the field, as well as possible locker room cancer
nah
too many veterans in that locker room to allow that…that was the prob in minny with moss, not enough leadership in the locker room.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Minnesota has plenty of veterans
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Minnesota had to trade for Moss, and give up a 3rd pick...
we are talking about picking up a former pro bowler off of waivers if he slips to us
by BigBlue82 on Nov 3, 2010 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
like who?
favre and peterson? favre doesn’t care enough to say something and peterson isn’t that type of person. Jared Allen is the type who would, and maybe he did and that’s why Randy isn’t there anymore.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
The vikes
as Ghost said, have plenty of veterans. Moss is just an asshole.
Here’s a question though. If it was 2009 before we knew everyone would break out, would you take him?
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I don't know...
only because I don’t think we needed him. Not for any other reason. But he’d never get away with that shit here. Lots of guys would have already stepped to Moss the first time he doesn’t hussle out there.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
+1
Randy would be a model citizen in NY. Giants would not go for any of his outbursts.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 10:44 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
no
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
by FrankB03 on Nov 3, 2010 2:15 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
bringing in a star from the outside fails more than it’s a success.
There’s a reason he was cut. He aint that good. Why do fans wanna gobble up every player that becomes available? Some one like Merriman has a greater potential of disrupting chemistry than contributing on the field. He’ll see limited playing time until he learned the playbook.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
by FrankB03 on Nov 3, 2010 2:22 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Excellent equation..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
wow Ed, I thought we were buddies and you'd recognize my name
JK…but thx for posting my idea, it’s great. Now, like SDL said, putting merriman in the right spots could really payoff. And fact of the matter is, Reese seems to like doing things like this. Look at andrews, carr, and the fact he said he’d consider plax when he gets out.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Merriman boosters
Remember that the Giants are 28th on the waiver priority list. So, even if they wanted him — which I personally doubt — the likelihood of getting him is very slim.
I dont think its likely...
I just think if the Giants want to take a look at him, its a good move to at least take a look at
the likelihood of getting him is very slim, but there is enough for you to write a post about it
The G-Men
have had quite enough with prima donnas, I agree, no interest in the Meadowlands.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
That's true, but in the off chance it does
and even though I don’t think he’ll be good in the locker room, Reese will take a look at him and if he decides that he would be good enough to take a chance on, I say bring him on. Maybe we get lucky and get a guy with a chip on his shoulder to help out an improved, but still a way to go, linebacker corps. We don’t really have anyone different than a year ago, when our linebackers kinda stunk. What’s the difference? I’m glad you asked. Scheme. Maybe there is something Merriman can do that our current guys have a problem with and it might be easier for Fewell to cover it up. We have a lot of pass rushers, so he might be asked to do something different. There’s no way he goes into the locker room and thinks he’s a leader so maybe he’ll keep his mouth shut and does what he can to prove he’s deserving to play in the league. Contrary to this whole thing, I’m not sold on him, but this kind of stuff happens all the time in the NFL. Careers get resurrected. How many people had Mike Williams starting on their fantasy rosters the past 4 years? If they make the move and it works, Reese is a genius, if it doesn’t, they don’t have too much invested
I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones. - Bill Parcells
not gonna happen
but honestly I’m all for depth and this guy would be a decent fill. We’re all kinda quick to say he’s finished, but I’ve also read on here that it takes 2years to recover from knee surgery, and as his body becomes re-accustomed to not having the steroids maybe even a bit longer.
I wouldn’t mind the no risk play here… if nothing else he’d make a great addition to the practice squad
right
he’d have to clear waivers. if a team gets him on a waiver claim he has to be put on the roster.
He's also
played way too many games to go on it.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I agree
The Chargers have let go afew players recantly that are playing at high levels through out the NFL… Look at the Jets pick ups from them…plus wasn’t the same said about Osi last year…bad knee, bad attitude, not the same player he once was…. But as we seem before, sometimes it take time to become yourself again or a new enviorment does it…so the low risk-high reward that comes with Marriman is something the Gmen should consider if he drops that far down the waiver list.
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Nov 3, 2010 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
And Moss
I wouldn’t touch Moss with a 10ft pole and blame it on the Jets….lol… Our WRing group seems to be doing fine…Wouldn’t want Moss rubbing off on Nicks
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Nov 3, 2010 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I'd prefer...
re-signing Andre Brown to replace Reynaud. The Colts released him again. We haven’t gotten to see much of Brown due to injury, but i think at worst he’s an upgrade over Reynaud on returns and RB.
Maybe next year
Brown was dealing with turf toe. There’s no point in taking a guy who probably isn’t healthy.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
maybe
If it’s just a week to week thing, i’d rather lock him up now.
He's been released 6 times this year
Tells you something.
6? Wow Brown! Giants, Denver, Colts.
Who were the other teams if you don’t mind me asking ct17?
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 10:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
the Colts did at least twice now.
at least once before, they did it to juggle roster numbers and re-signed him a couple days later.
What has Brown done
that you want to “lock him up now”?
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Well
in about a week, Boothe will be activated, so Reynaud is a goner.That might be a good time
to look into Brown for the practice squad? I would like to see the kid with another training camp under his belt.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
He's just like Reynaud!!!
Only slower!!!!
by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 3, 2010 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Get rid of Reynaud. Fumbles, no returns, we have another guy, why waste the roster spot. I am not in a position to rate Brown’s health but his running pre-season was authoritative. Was surprised when they kept GoingNoWare instead. Maybe Brown is not healthy? Why is he being released? At least take a look.
And please, can someone get us either a real backup fullback or another backup TE?
Tom Quinn Must Go
by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 3, 2010 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Browns being released because as TC said
hes not the same guy sense getting hurt . HES afraid to get re injured so hes what you would call a “skeptical runner”.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
I don't know. The guy has been let go by three different teams this year.
He was okay when he returned for us but honestly I don’t see a difference between his production and Rey’s
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 9:51 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Re the trade for Eli:
If we pick up Merriman, the cost for Eli drops right? If Ernie A were still here, that would be reason enough to get him!
with each passing year
the trade looks better and better. There’s few fans, if any, that now regret the trade. I’d take Eli over Rivers in heartbeat.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Nope
no thanks.
I still lol at this though:
reality television star Tila Tequila
“star” is really used loosely now
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I'm sure "loose" has been used to describe "Tila Tequila" frequently
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Yup
That’s a zing
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"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Off topic but
Does Matt Hasselbeck get added to the QBs knocked out of the game list this week?
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Nov 3, 2010 9:00 AM EDT reply actions
LOL
The thought must run through thier minds knowing 6 or 7 have been already…plus at his age
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Nov 3, 2010 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions
lol better be careful what you say
before that “Moral Cop” from the seahawks website cites you for bad manners.
People who have visited their site know what I’m talking about.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
No Thanks
Merriman would not fit on the Giants for multiple reasons. He is too small to play the defensive line. He is a 3-4 stand up line backer that rushes off of the edges. Used in a lot of the same ways that L.T. was used back in the day. He’s too small to play on the defensive line and he’s had multiple leg injuries since 2008 which will definitely affect his speed off the edge, no matter how young he is. Not only would he not fit in our defensive, why bring him here and waste the money if he’s not going to be apart of our long term plans. The Giants don’t have the gaping hole on defense that would require the rental of a player for half of the season, if they claim him off of waivers they would have to pay the rest of whatever it is that he’s making this year.
I have a question for the people that always bring up Merriman when talking about the Eli trade. This is always the player they say we “gave up” to get Merriman (the Giants were never going to draft Rivers, they would have gone after Big Ben if they couldn’t get Eli) so I wonder if you had to compare the impact Merriman has had on defense for San Diego vs. the impact Eli has had on the Giants offense…do you still think it was a bad move? And before someone says it, I’m not comparing stats, just the impact on the two players to their respective teams.
It was not a good trade!
Rivers has torched the AFC West for the last 5 years. His statistics are way better than Eli’s, and he’s taken the Chargers all the way to the AFC Championship game twice, wheras Eli only took the Giants to the NFC Chapionship game once! Rivers traded for Eli alone was a lopsided deal because Rivers always has more passing yards, and a better quarterback rating.
Throw in Sean Marryman who has MULTIPLE Pro Bowls, and Nate Kaeding who is one of the best regular season kickers in the game, and yes it was a bad deal!
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
We're Comparing Stats
First off, you and I both know Eli would not be “torching” in the NFC East simply because Giants Stadium doesn’t allow you to throw the ball that way and we don’t throw the ball as much as they do in the San Diego. Also, Accorsi said that the Giants weren’t taking Rivers so he never would have been a Giant. We would have taken Big Ben so you the trade for Eli wasn’t a straight up trade for Rivers. We took Rivers because that’s who San Diego wanted.
Pro Bowls mean what? He has multiple Pro Bowls but hasn’t been a force in the league since 2007.
What about Kaeding???
He’s much better than Tynes!
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
I think ill stick with the guy on top
Eli = 1 SB mvp
phillip = 0 SB. lots of stats playing in a pass 1st sunny SD
SM = no job
Kaeding = cant kick in post season .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
You may want to invest in one of these
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
hahahahahaha
best picture EVER
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2010 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions
There is no debate.....
When both teams made the trade, what did they have in mind? To win a Super Bowl, not how many divisions or conference championships they could win, or did they think about stats. Pure and simple, when both the Chargers and Giants made this trade, they had the Super Bowl in mind, every team should with every move. That being said, the Giants as of right now, have gotten the better end of this trade.
Why, because of one fluke Super Bowl???
That Eli had absolutely no hand in!? Everyone who watches footbal knows all that happened in those playoffs was the Cowboys choking, Brett Favre basically handing the Giants the game, and the Giants defense winning the Super Bowl. Thank Eli for the flukiest play in NFL history, but that’s it.
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions
The only ones who are joking...
Are the ones who are kidding themselves if they think Eli could hold Rivers jock strap.
Just look at the stats, I wouldn’t even know how else someone could objectively judge quarterbacks.
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions
You're Definitely Joking
Happy Hump Day…lol
I'm not joking dude.
I couldn’t be more serious. In fact the only way I could be more serious is if I had a face like this:
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Des it look like I'm joking?
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions
oooh lord
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
even Aw Shucks!
looks like less of a rah-tard than this guy
Yikes!!!!!!.."Is that you Mom??!!???"
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
don't get me angry
you wouldn’t like it when I’m angry
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Damn Tito
did someone hack your username? Hahaha. Good thing Prof. Frink’s machine is working…. it is off the charts right now.
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2010 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Aren't
you the same guy who goes out of his way to defend Eli? I guess I should have voted for you yesterday as a write in candidate.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 3, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
See my post above
with Prof. Frink
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Wtf, tito is that really you or did you let someone borrow your BBV persona?
You must be joking, I will read on and look for the “gotcha” comment.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 10:52 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Comical
Its a joke to say the Manning trade was a bad deal for us.
Eli already has one ring – END OF STORY. The rest of this is gravy. You can keep all your “yardages, ProBowls and QB ratings”. I ’ll keep the Championship.
The trade was good for both teams – but I will take our end of it to this day.
Also
no one has a crystal ball when making a draft day deal, it’s not like anybody knew who was going
to be available the following April. It turned out for the Chargers, they wound up with Merriman and Kaeding. Daddy Manning let it be known Eli was not playing for that team.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
With good reason
Their front office is a mess. Bottom line, in my opinion, Rivers would not have done well as a Giant. He has a ego that would not have meshed with the NY media, he is easily rattled, and like DaWriter points out, he would not have thrown well in the Meadowlands wind. Big Ben would probably have done even worse, most particularly in off the field situations. Eli is a good fit for the Giants and he has done very well thus far. He brought us to what, 5 straight playoff appearances. Yes, only one NFC champ game and one SB, but 5 playoff appearances. There were times that he did more with little than most QBs. He had to endure the egos of Tiki and Shockey as a young QB, which made him stronger. Again, my opinion, the trade was completely worth it.
too small?
is bigger and heavier than Osi and Kiwi. And he would be strictly a situational player, like Kiwi and JPP
Let's Go Giants!!!!
I agree
I think he would be a good fit for situatonal uses. And coming to a team like the Giants and the way their defense is playing, I think he would regain a lot of confidence and want to prove to everybody he’s “still got it”…use him in the right places and a couple big hits later and the league starts turning their heads and a little bit of the"Light’s Out" fear starts creepin’ back
NOOOOOO!!
I live in San Diego. I am a Giants fan, but I listen so SD sports radio.
Merriman is injury prone. He has been since the ‘roids test failure. The injures are to his legs, and he is a speed rusher only. With his legs jacked up he has no speed, and cannot be a force. He also doesn’t seem to want to work to get better.
I disagree
As a low risk player he’s not a bad. Option, he won’t necessarily be awns either more like a flex player that is moved around between the end and lb position, oh and since whe is 6’ 4" 265lbs considered small?
by Dfence on Nov 3, 2010 9:45 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
For The Defensive Line
6’4" 265 is small. Osi is considered small for the defensive line as well but Osi is much more explosive than Merriman. If Merriman was anywhere near the force he used to be, San Diego wouldn’t be so willing to get rid of him. He would be a liability in pass coverage and he’s not better than any of the HEALTHY defensive linemen that we currently have.
+1
Good point. I don’t think that he is better than Kiwi either so even if you gave him the same assignment that Kiwi had before his injury, he would not be as effective. Our Defense is playing extremely well right now and Merriman will not make them better. If the Giants are in need they should look elsewhere.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 10:00 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
but kiwi isn't here
so the question is…is he better than JPP doing kiwi’s assignments
Let's Go Giants!!!!
When you copmpare 6'4 256lbs to 6'5 257lbs.
Lol, just messing with you bro.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 9:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Let's take a poll
Infectious diseases you would rather have over Moss and Merriman.
Moss is more like...
a nagging cough that just wont go away
That's a tough poll...hmmm
Would I rather have ’Athlete’s Foot’ or ‘Jock Itch’…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
SMH
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
or perhaps Fornier's Gangrene?
look that one up if you dare..its a beaut.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Really off topic
But can’t help it…Early in the season I was a bit worried about Redskins. and Eagles…Reading headlines like this makes me happy…..JaMarcus Russell Reportedly Works Out for Redskins
I read that too. Fuunnnyyy!
Can you say desprate. Is this saying that McNabb is oficially finished?
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he will be a
Viking, Card or 49er next year
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 3, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Merriman pobably assaulted Tequila because she laughed at his little shriveled up party weiner..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
The only way Merriman would help this defense
is if Tila Tequila was playing QB for the Skins or Cowboys. Which given the way they’re moving, may not be as far off as it sounds. Seriously, stop thinking about this guy as the Pro Bowler he WAS, until he shows it again. It’s not even the juice so much as it is the fact that his knee still appears to be limiting him. Why would you even take the flyer? It makes no sense, and the distraction wouldn’t be worth it. After the bye week the Giants are flying a little more under the radar with the Packers and Saints big wins, which is just the way I like it.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 3, 2010 10:54 AM EDT reply actions
Such a minimal
investment to take a legit shot.
26 years old.
We did the same with Bulluck. Why not someone much younger.
Minimal Investment??
But it’s still a waste of money. He wouldn’t play regularly and as far as our situational packages go, I think we’re already doing well with them. I would rather have JPP in there getting the experience since we did draft him as opposed to having someone in there on a leg that we aren’t sure will hold up. If he goes and gets injured, we just wasted over a million dollars.
waste of money for who
ticket prices aren’t going down if they pass on merriman, and there’s no salary cap this year.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
+1
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 3, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Yeah..I'd chase her around the rink for a few laps..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I don't see much Downside
To bringing in Merriman, IF we could get him which we probably can’t.
The situation is great fit.
1) You are going to tell me that picking up Merriman would not be an improvement over keeping stiffs like Hedgecock or Barden on the roster?
2) Everyone that is blabbing about Merriman being “washed up” etc probably said the same thing about Ladanian Tomlinson. Merriman is 26, it is quite possible there is still some upside to his story. If you look at the SD situation, you don’t think the attitude that kept Tomlinson from playing there could have prevailed with Merriman as well?
3) A change of scenery has helped many a player. IF Merriman does want to recommit and become a start again, what better place to do it then to work back in a rotation where he will have limited snaps without the pressure of playing full time.
4) If he blows, so what. He won’t be worse than anyone he replaces and its an uncapped year.
We won’t be able to get him, someone else will pick him up first, but I am convinced that the majority of posters are biased against him because of his sack dance or whatever, just like we hate Randy even though he has talent. From a personnel perspective, I don’t see how obtaining him has much downside for us.
I will refer back to my equation
(Merriman – Steroids) x bad attitude = not a good football player
His play dropped because he got caught with the juice. Moreover, the juice made him injury prone.
Barden cant get on the field because of all the talent in front of him.
lets not be the cowboys here. i think their whole 2009 draft has been cut. well maybe not all but like 9 or 10 of 12 picks .
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
SD management
is great for the owners but not the players.
Look at all the personnel issues they have had and ARE having.
AJ Smith is a douche but knows his football operations.
Great climate and city to play in. Great fans, women all over the place dressed to impress but………the team could give a crap less about the players.
Tomlinson was a criminal act to treat him as they did.
They attempted same thing with VJax—and really pulled it off for most part.
Tried same thing with that lineman, forget his name—and pulled it off as well
Now you are telling me that Merriman did not see that writing on the wall and not give it his all. He will get his money, he will show that he is not washed up. He may not return to the Juiced form but he will be very good.
Well your right about San Diego..They do everything possible to destroy a team..
Norv Turner is a pass first, screw the run guy..and it has cost them big time..They have no balanced run / pass attack at all..and although they are ranked 1st in the AFC..they are 3-5..They still have a chance..but they never have gotten anywhere, and probably never will..
At least we are ranked #1 in the NFC and have a balanced run / pass attack, and have a system that will result in success..No team can come into the Meadowlands in mid-November and December without a running attack..and I’ll put this re-worked Fewell defense up against anybody..what a difference a good coach makes..
I’m not interested in adding Moss..we don’t need him..We have the best group of receivers in the league..and we don’t need Merriman either..No value add whatsoever..Now if a good offensive lineman shows up, I’d try to snag him..but again..since we’re ranked #1 on defense and offense..We won’t be getting anybody off the wire..I’ll stick with who we have..and I’ll be the first to say I am pleasantly surprised about how far this team has come since training camp..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I think they can post a 14-2 record up on the board..
That Dallas game told me they don’t ever give up..14-0 and they just hung in there under a hostile crowd and got it done..I’ve watched many a team that crumbles under that pressure…Why change anything?..Keep the current motor running..No reason to change the engine they built and are fine-tuning..The best move (hopefully) they made was getting Blackmon..That is the area I feel they should focus on..Everything else is okay..If a really good special team player shows up out there then go for that player..We could probably fare better there because they aren’t Marquee players just work horses and special teams play is the only area of weakness we have.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
He's A Waste Of A Roster Spot
When Hedgecock is healthy, he’s one of the best FB’s in the league. When healthy.
Barden is our 4th receiver so I wouldn’t get rid of him, especially since Cruz is on IR. In addition, Barden plays special teams, Merriman isn’t going to give you anything on special teams so why would need another body to replace what you’re losing. Doesn’t make sense.
I don't see why we shouldn't bring Merriman in
He’s much better than Dave Toffleson, and he would be great on passing downs and he could even play some STs for us.
And if he doesn’t like it then we could get rid of him. I don’t want him long term, but for 1 season would be great. Even if he’s a shell of himself he’ll be better than Dave and a better shell than he was last year in San Diego.
How do we know he's better than Tollefson?
He WAS better than Tollefson, but that was when he was on steroids and before his injuries. The truth is, no one really knows how good he is anymore.
What has Tollefson ever done to make you believe that he's good
He’s a career back up, never started a game. He played 4 games this year with 1 tackle and 2 assists. He’s about to be 30.
Shawne is a 3 time pro bowler, 1 time 1st team All-Pro, 26 in his prime… playing for a bad team. At his worse he still has greater potential than Tollefson.
And again this is not a long term deal, this could be a 1 week thing. If he shows us something why not keep him and make him fill Kiwi’s void.
Minimal investment
only issues is if we drop him after one week and he is not picked up on waivers, which he would probably not be, we are stuck with remaining salary.
Still though, minimal investment
Exactly
And I wouldn’t even want him more than a 1/2 of a season.
New York(Clubs, Media & Crime)Shawne MerrimanLong Term Contract = Disaster
don't mind that my "+" signs were taken out
NY+Shawne Merriman+Long Term Contract = Disaster
who was asking you?
and read all the comments if you really wanna know.
Ha!..Take an aspirin jdak..You'll feel better in the morning..lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I would not trade Tollefson for Merriman straight up
FREE FREEBRADSHAW!!!
by Simms-McConkey on Nov 3, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
SD better throw in Antonio Gates to make it even
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
Tollefson = Frankie Ferrara
A fan favorite, a motor guy, a blue collar lunch pail worker who has overachieved, rah rah sis boom bah…
When the reality is – they are average at best with a low cieling, a career backup. If you had to play him full time you would be roasted….
Fans have trouble looking past the reality of guys they “love” and the guys they “hate”. Ojectivity is lost. Give me players that can play any day.
You Need Guys Like Tollefson
To do the little things that you don’t want your stars doing. Playing on the ST, he’s good for spot coverage which is all Merriman would be used for. So Tollefson is more valuable to us because Merriman can’t play Special Teams.
Why waste a roster spot for someone that is only going to give you spot pass rushing duties?
because we are a team that is built on rushing the passer
I like Tolly much more than Merriman. as you stated he does the little things and is a great fill in, but adding more depth at pass rushing, considering it’s importance to this team never seems like a bad idea.
Sintim is the same type of player yet we use him wrong. why would SM make a difference.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
what i mean is, if they let clint put his hand in the dirt once in awile his production would far out way any of SMs.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Maybe they believe Sintim can be a true linebacker
We don’t know what they’re thinking. But Shawne Merriman is a known pass rusher, that’s his cling to fame.
I was just thinking...
How much is Merriman owed? because depending on how much he’s owed, he may just pass through waivers…I mean who would pay a lot for a player who may or may not be very healthy.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
No & hell No
I Love Moss..but not on the giants,besides that last name =hamstring or tummy ache ! Sean, Hell No….his body is shot ! And he’s a walking butt hole !…oh and Tito,I love the sarcasim !
Coach put me in !!! I Love special teams !
by Mr.Williams on Nov 3, 2010 11:30 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
love this one "No & Hell No...Ha!..Short and sweet..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
yeah Tito got me and my itchy trigger finger.
I may not be the most noble of men but in a town of lepers, im the one with the most fingers.
Ed..In reading these comments..I suspect we have a steroid problem here on BBV...
Distribute the random test kits…stat!…lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Reality check.."We are what we thought we Weren't!"
Number one ranked offense..
Number one ranked defense..
Even if Jerry would think about bringing one or both of those bums to NY..The chances of them trickling down to us are about as far-fetched as my dog not being able to lick his own balls..right in front of company..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Can you clarify
where you got these from.
I am not unhappy of course but, I thought SD was? Of course that was on some other rating system.
SD is in the AFC..The Giants are in the NFC..its in the paper...
The Associated Press has the Chargers ranked number one in the AFC, and us ranked number one in the NFC..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Thanks....now for the dog
Is that before or after he ‘walks’ across the floor with his butt down with his front feet?
And to be honest, I used to do the same thing but fell off the couch one day and hurt my shoulder. Affected my golf game for 6 months
Haha!!!..That's only when he does "The Butt-Scoots Boogie"!!
And gets ‘drop-kicked’ into the backyard…LOL!..and if I could do that, I’d never leave the house!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
As far as Golf..I just broke eighty for the first time ever..shot a 76...
I was up at my Mother’s and played a round with my late Dad’s friend and his Son..His Son is one of these clowns that feel it necessary to ‘announce’ what club they used on a tee-shot..every shot..“That was a three wood”…“That was a seven iron”..Pissed me off..At the end of the round he says..“That was one hell of a round, Bobby..What did you score a 73?”..I said “no..I bogeyed a few holes there..it was a 76..It was my three iron..couldn’t get it to cooperate”…..“Oh”…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
76???
I havent broke 90 yet, have only been playing a few years and dont get out as much as I would like. You should come up and give my fat ass some pointers.
The most common issue is
over-swinging.
Take 1/2 swings when you warm up and do not swing more than 3/4 after that including while you are playing.
What I mean is your recoil. Do not swing like the pros. John Daly you are not and frequently what happens is you start out on a great plane and rhythm and then ‘D’ off your swing on the downswing. Causes club face to be in all sorts of directions.
Try this as well…great quick book….Tour Tempo 24/8. Forget author.
Yeah..I usually score in the mid-eighties..But between this guy boasting and a pitcher of beer being involved..
I got focused..I just take a nice relaxed back-swing and when the club gets to around my knee/thigh level, I blast it..Alot of folks swing too hard..in doing so, they lose sight of the ball..which is why the Golf ball industry is so successful..I always walk the course when I go to my Mother’s..One day, I found eight Pro-V 1s in this grass patch right in front of the tee box..Those damn balls are expensive!..I wondered who the hell is buying these balls and hitting them 20 feet?..I always come home with at least six dozen balls..I save the good ones..and go out back and launch the bad ones over the canal..There are no houses over on the other side..just a state park..So it is good practice..and I don’t have to buy somebody a window…lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Question for Derrik
why would you send the email to Ed? Why not post your opinion here on BBV? You would get the pros and cons from some very knowledgeable fans.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
.and Ed never responds to his e-mail anyway..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
honestly, I did
But after reading it, I didn’t like the way it was written, so I asked Ed if he’d do it because I enjoy his writing more than mine. If he didn’t respond or write it up, then I definitely would have. But I think he did a good job.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Anyone heard anything about putting a claim in?
I know the Jets were said to NOT have claimed either player. Hoping we do the same.
Well everyone around here was certain the giants wanted nothing to do with JPP
and look what happened. LOL, I’m only kidding
as for shawn merriman, the giants could do what they did with shawn andrews. this front office has surprised people before
Hasselback not practicing
Oakland beat him up. Now with the Giants coming to town you can’t blame him for thinking this is a good game for Charlie to play.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
Insult to injury?
ESPN reports that Coach Pete Carroll says the hope remains Hasselbeck will be able to play Sunday against the New York Giants. Given that the Raiders sacked him 8 times last week, I’m right there with Pete.
by Carson Lives! on Nov 3, 2010 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions
I fear that Hasselbeck's virginity may be taken Sunday afternoon
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
He landed
in Nashville, TN instead!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Not sure why the media can't say it
but this guy has never been the same after he was busted for steroids.
w/o PED’s the guy isn’t dominate and just another LB that plays ST more than 1st, 2nd or 3rd down.
Moss – that guy has all the talent but no heart. He refuses to go over the middle? He’s become predictable to cover but if the Giants or anyone can get him at league minimum then why not? Throw him in for red zone and throw the ball up.
Please get Phil Simms in the Hall of Fame
Shawne Merriman took the juice..
His game has fallen off..His dick has fallen off..other shit is either broke or falling off…
Randy Moss belongs in the dunking booth at a carnival..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Bills have/are putting in a claim for Merriman
At least that’s what they are saying on the Serius NFL Radio.
So he’s going to New York….just not the Giants.
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by Intellectual Derriere on Nov 3, 2010 2:58 PM EDT reply actions
That's good..Hope they grab both..Send them out to pasture where the Buffalo roam..and roam..and roam..
And I got to tell you..I mean no disrespect but that damn handle you have makes me think ‘Smart Ass’..hahaha!..I can’t help it!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
My brother went to RIT..and became a big Buffalo Bills fan..until I hired an Excorsist..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
LOL!
No worries. That’s the whole reason I use that handle. LOL!
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by Intellectual Derriere on Nov 3, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
That's where the Bills belong..up there with the canucks..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
I'm Really Surprised
That many legit playoff contenders did not take a shot on Moss:
- Chargers (yea, they’re below .500 but when you play in the AFC West and your starting receiver is PATRICK CRAYTON? SERIOUSLY?)
- Jaguars
- Rams
- Redskins
- Seahawks
- Bears
- Dolphins
- Eagles
- Texans
- Packers
With the exception of Houston, Miami, and Green Bay, Moss woulda been the their unquestioned #1 receiver. It blows my mind that so many teams would not take a gamble on getting to the playoffs with him if it meant shelling out a salary that their ticket sales would probably generate more of had he been picked up.
***FREE FreeBradshaw***
It is time Moss leaves the Giants and the fame that it was, so let Merriman take over because it is about time now. "Lights out" is the ferocious man I once knew because of his ferocious hits so welcome bro
Jordan Says He Wouldn't Have Pulled a LeBron
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