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New York Giants Notes: Bumbling Big Blue Edition

Head coach Tom Coughlin of the New York Giants reacts after a fumble by Eli Manning late in the fourth quarteragainst the Philadelphia Eagles at Lincoln Financial Field on November 21 2010 in Philadelphia Pennsylvania. (Photo by Michael Heiman/Getty Images)

Well, here we are again--dissecting a demoralizing loss when victory was within reach. The Giants proved on Sunday night that they are capable of beating the Eagles if play mistake-free football, or even limit their mistakes.  So that at least gives us hope.  Dim hope, but hope. Here is what is being said the morning after....

Eli Manning's fumble against Eagles proves costly as Giants lose game and grip on playoff berth
Eli Manning knew he needed to slide, Tom Coughlin expected him to slide, but when Manning didn't go feet-first, the only sliding the Giants did Sunday night was right out of first place. Manning cost the Giants any shot of preventing Sunday night's bitter loss to the Eagles. "You've got to slide," Coughlin said. Maybe he needs to bring in Joe Girardi, or at least Terry Collins, as Rex Ryan did last year when he summoned Girardi to teach rookie Mark Sanchez how to slide. "We were a slide away from being right in the game," Manning said. "I got to slide. Sometimes you are just kind of going with momentum, trying to get as much yardage as you can. You are running and you come to a point where you don't want to slow down, you don't know if it's too late. You go down the fastest way you know how to." What should he have done? "Don't worry about the yardage," Manning said. "Just go down. We had the first down."  

I know I was screaming at my TV (well, as loud as you can scream with a wife and 3-year-old boy asleep), "Slide, Eli, slide!"  And this isn't the first time Eli has done something like this. It makes you wonder what goes on in his head during these situations.

Politi: Ill-fated dive in loss to Eagles shows Giants QB Eli Manning is trying to do too much | NJ.com
Maybe Eli Manning somehow misheard his mission for this game. He was supposed to beat Michael Vick, not try to be Michael Vick. But there he was, lumbering into the open field on fourth-and-6, the lead in the NFC East on the line. He had more than enough yards for the first down, plenty of distance to give the Giants a chance to tie. He just had to slide — any rookie quarterback knows that — and protect the football. He dove instead, losing the football and, a few minutes later, a 27-17 decision to the Eagles.....Manning is in his seventh season. He is a Super Bowl MVP with a $100 million contract. He has to be smarter than that at this stage of his career.

I don't think I could put it any better.  $100 million quarterbacks should make better decisions.

Star-divide

Our own Ed Valentine put it well, too, by calling the Giants "Generous Giants" in this analysis at SB Nation New York.

It's interesting too to note that the Eagles played a sloppy game as well.  Of course, that fact makes a Giants' loss even harder to take....

Ashley Fox: Too many points left on the field | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/22/2010
This could have been so much easier. Look out there on the choppy Lincoln Financial Field turf. That's where the Eagles left so many opportunities to put away the New York Giants on Sunday night. One was on the left sideline. Two more were in the south end zone.

Very true ... the Eagles were just about as bumbling as the Giants were, but in the end they made a few more plays and a few less mistakes.

And this take on how the TV analysts fawn over Michael Vick is pretty amusing.

Gonzo: National media in full Vick-mania | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/22/2010
Vick's numbers weren't as cartoonish against the New York Giants on Sunday night as they were against the Washington Redskins on Monday night, partly because his receivers dropped at least two passes that should have been touchdowns. And his careless fourth-quarter fumble led to a Giants touchdown that almost won the game for New York. Still, and more importantly, his outing came complete with a dramatic, fourth-quarter comeback that pushed the Birds past the Giants, 27-17, and into first place in the NFC East. It won't be long now until Vick's spectacular season leads to a twisted tongue or a sprained brain for one of the yammering television ninnies. They squeal about Vick like teenagers reading about him in Us Weekly.

Vick, McCoy Lead Eagles To 27-17 Win Over Giants : NPR
Vick looked a little more ordinary after a spectacular performance in a 59-28 win over Washington on Monday night, but he led the Eagles (7-3) to a comeback win nonetheless, and into sole possession of first place in the NFC East.

That's why this hurts so much. The Giants' defense figured out how to slow Vick, yet turnovers and a few lapses on defense late in the game were the difference.

So now there is talk all over the Web about the Giants' current playoff aspirations, as they are currently the 8-seed in the NFC after all those pundits had them as the best team in the NFC two weeks ago.

NFC South: the power division - NFL - SI.com
This piece talks about the Saints (7-3) and how they can't seem to overcome Atlanta (8-2) and Tampa Bay (7-3).  So the Giants (6-4) trail those teams as well as Green Bay (7-3) and Chicago (7-3).  And it sure is kind of a shame that a team has to come out of the NFC West, isn't it?

Slide, Eli, Slide - NYTimes.com
3) Six games to go, with this schedule: Jacksonville, Washington, at Minnesota, Philadelphia, at Green Bay, and at Washington. Extra point: Can the Giants (6-4) go 4-2 the rest of the way? That would probably get them into the playoffs, and if they’re healthy once there, who knows?

Who knows? Yeah, who knows. When you look at this schedule, you probably think the two games against Washington are wins, as are the game this Sunday against Jacksonville and the road game at Minnesota--a team that is self-destructing and out of the playoff race.  And that the Giants will figure out how to lose to the Eagles at home, and also that they can't possibly match up with Green Bay. 

But so much can happen. The Giants can sweep and finish 12-4; they can finish 4-2 and hope that 10-6 is good enough; or they can go 2-4 and finish 8-8 again.  While that first scenario is possible, it's not likely.  But that last scenario is much more possible if the bumbling play continues.  Hopefully the G-men can find a way to straighten things out in these next six games.

NFL Playoff Picture: Giants On the Outside Looking In
Two weeks ago the New York Giants had won five straight games, boasted a 6-2 record and many were saying the Giants were the best team in the NFC. Now, the Giants are 6-4, have lost two straight games and would not even make the playoffs if the season ended today.

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Lots left to play

But if they Giants do not mend their mistake prone ways it will not matter.

I am not sure they have the personnel to vastly improve their special teams. But if they could get them to neutral – where they do not hurt the team that would be acceptable.

The penalties? Maybe they need to do more mindless repition in practice, treat them less like grown men and more like college kids? I dunno. Nothing seems to work on these guys and it could cost people their coaching jobs.

The talent is there. For the most part, the game plans are good enough. TC must be going nuts.

by MSP Giant on Nov 22, 2010 12:18 PM EST reply actions  

Prediction: 9-7

Jacksonville is no joke, but I think the G-men come up huge. They would have won last night in Philly if JPP did not jump offside on 3 and 6 (Pop Warner 101).
 
I have them down for a win over Minny and a split with the Skins. (If they lose against J’ville, they have to sweep the Skins.

Hopefully, Steve Smith comes back. Andrews is waaaaaay better than Diehl at LT, but I wouldn’t mind seeing Diehl at LG. If you fumble, you sit. Sit Bradshaw and put in Ware.

That would give you a top defense, a solid running game, and a lethal passing game. The G-men will be dangerous in the playoffs-if they get there.

by MattinNJ on Nov 22, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

7-9

Hicks is a mortal blow.

by MattinNJ on Nov 22, 2010 5:39 PM EST up reply actions  

For those sans ESPN:

Brad Childress fired in Minnesota, Leslie Frazier named interim head coach.

Uh hello, planes? It's blimps. You win.

by RealLT on Nov 22, 2010 12:24 PM EST reply actions  

To Be Honest

When discussing the fickle nature of the sports media, I have to say that I hated that the Giants were touted as the “best in the NFC,” because I personally didn’t believe it. They smacked around some underachievers and lost to the contenders (and split with Dallas, whom we’re still trying to figure out).

by Skywarp on Nov 22, 2010 12:36 PM EST reply actions  

What happens

Depends on:

1. Stopping turnovers.
2. Read #1 again.
3. Steve Smith returning
4. OL coming back to health.

As an aside, can someone tell me why Dallas and Vikes can fire coaches but we keep Tom Quinn????.

All the Giants should play like Mark Bavaro.

by UnknownJintsFan on Nov 22, 2010 12:37 PM EST reply actions  

5. Stepping up and making big plays

by Step up and make big plays on Nov 22, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions  

I love how this team looks

I think we split with the Skins and drop one other to go 10-6…

When we get our O-line back (and therefore can rush to either side, or just rush, period) and get Steve Smith back and have 3 dangerous receivers on the field, we will suddenly be a dangerous & multi-faceted team.

We haven’t even seen this team at full-strength yet. It’s unfortunate we lost our O-line & smith before the div. matchups, but they’ll be back, and when they get back, this team is going to do some damage.

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by Simms-McConkey on Nov 22, 2010 12:40 PM EST reply actions  

we had that

When we get our O-line back (and therefore can rush to either side, or just rush, period) and get Steve Smith back and have 3 dangerous receivers on the field, we will suddenly be a dangerous & multi-faceted team.

we had a meltdown vs Titans. We had a meltdown in first Cowboys game. Luckily, we had a big lead. In 10 games we have 30 turnovers. We’ve yet to have a turnover free game. In 6 games we’ve had 3 or more turnovers. UNACCEPTABLE!

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by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 1:05 PM EST up reply actions  

i said this last night

Eli has been making just plain stupid decision all season long. Not that he doesn’t have his veterian moments but he seems proned 2 rookie mistakes as well. Should they send him overr to yankee stadium to learn to slide ? I think so, but that’s the least of his problems. Everytime eli throws I know where he’s throwing after the snap, and I’m sure the CB do too. He locks in and throws he almost never looks off the cover or throws 2 his next option. We can blame it on tip balls poor route running but the numbers speak for themselves.

by hit_hard on Nov 22, 2010 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Even worse

Eli made that forward-slide fumble mistake LAST YEAR AGAINST THE SAME TEAM!

Didn’t he learn his lesson?

by Skywarp on Nov 22, 2010 12:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Hey, leave Eli alone, hes' elite.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 12:54 PM EST up reply actions  

he's not elite

he’s very good!
he had his Elite moment in the 2007 playoffs… and during the regular season can show flashes of elite…but unfortunately he is not… Elite is more consistent than very good

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A: We'll see. What are you doing?

by 27Tango on Nov 23, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions  

Eli just isn't a smart player

he is a good qb but never will be an elite qb because of all these dumb turnovers……….Eli is 2nd in the league in int………….i’m tired of giants fans keep saying it’s not Eli fault……that’s b.s., maybe it’s not all his fault but he has to get most of the blame because he suppose to be the leader of the team and he even said it in an interview after the giant loss that he has to play better and stop turning the ball over…………so giant fans…….Stop Making Excuses for Eli!!!!!

by Jermal on Nov 22, 2010 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I was one of those fans

.i’m tired of giants fans keep saying it’s not Eli fault

I agree. It’s time to stop using excuses for Eli. He’s in his 7th season. Some of his turnovers are inexcusable. It’s easy to overlook at 6-2. In 3 of our 4 loses he was a major contributing factor. 16 INTs in 10 games is unacceptable.

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by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 1:08 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

Absolutely.

Our offenses biggest problem in my opinion is that they are too predictable. The interception by Samuel was marked from the start. He was coming forward before Eli even looked Nick’s way and threw. The same thing Eli did in the pick 6 against Dallas. The run on first down, run on second down, throw to Nicks on 3rd down and hand-off to Jacobs on 4th and 1 is sooooooooo tired. Enough already. I would say that the second half of the season failures can be attributed to this.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions  

same with

Giants first goal to go play calling. Run on 1st and goal at the 10. On 2nd and goal at the 5 I wanted to see play action. Of course we got a Jacobs run for -2 yards. At least we got play action on the subsequent G2G situations.

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by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 12:56 PM EST up reply actions  

AMEN!!

We should have fired KG when they fired our DC last year. When they didn’t it sealed our fate for another dismal offensive season. I agree with LoNJDYTech, that our play calling has been too predictable, but then again it’s the same thing it was last year when we went 8-8.

by josegolfer40 on Nov 22, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions  

this

Q: Who is at left guard?
A: We'll see. What are you doing?

by 27Tango on Nov 23, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions  

but to eli's defense

The giants are build 2 run the ball and that hasn’t happened much the last 2 weeks.

by hit_hard on Nov 22, 2010 12:56 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

no more

in Eli’s defense. We’ve been making excuses for him the entire season. I’m tired of hearing all we need to do is clean up the turnovers.

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by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions  

no way

You can’t be “built to run the ball” if you don’t have the pieces in place to run the ball. The defensive game plan against the Giants for the last two years has been to stack the line to stop the run and make Eli throw the ball. They all know Eli will eventually make a bonehead play (or 2 or 3!) and lose the game for the Giants. The only way to establish the run, is to continue to pound the freaking ball down their throats, whether you get immediate results or not. Unfortunately, if we start back at our 20 and don’t make a first down, we bring in the WORST PUNTER IN THE LEAGUE to shank one off his foot and give the opposing team great field position. This in turn, puts our defense in an unfavorable position. KG doesn’t game plan well DURING a game. He puts in his plays before the game and pretty much sticks with them no matter what the defense is dictating our on the field during the game.

by josegolfer40 on Nov 22, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

we've been more of a balanced team this year, but

more so in a passing offense that opens up the running game…not the other way around… it is that way b/c of the talented WRs we picked up last year and the offensive line that is aging and now this season more injury prone, plus they were never really big bruising linemen they were geared more for zone type blocking on running plays … JR has been addressing the linemen issue but the traditional way that the GIants has always been doing so…that is draft 1 in the mid to late rounds and groom for the next 2-3 years…altho I would rather they pick up a 1st rounder next year…but is that going to happen? we’ll see

Q: Who is at left guard?
A: We'll see. What are you doing?

by 27Tango on Nov 23, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate to invoke the Section_112 spectre...

But are we ready to admit he had a point? I know that Bradshaw has been considered an elite RB this season, but there’s not enough production going on to waste 1st and 10s on 2 yard gains. I know a lot of that blame is hung on injuries and an aging OL, and blah blah blah, but excuses are neither here nor there at this point…

The Giants, their coaches, and their fans need to come to grips that this particular team (as well as last season’s) does not fit the traditional Giants mold as a no-nonsense power-running team. We are now one of those fancy-pants pass-first teams we consider ourselves better than.

by Skywarp on Nov 22, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Hmm...

That was supposed to align underneath LonJDTechnology’s Nov. 22, 9:53am post.

by Skywarp on Nov 22, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions  

we have to continue to run those running plays

we are limited some from having deihl and ohara out. But those run plays still make teams honor our play-action..which is our number 1 passing threat

"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"

by semsemma on Nov 22, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed.
we have to continue to run those running plays

But not constantly up the middle, screens, sweeps, etc. mix it up. There are strengths in the line we need to out what they are an use them.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions  

right on

The defensive game plan against the Giants for the last two years has been to stack the line to stop the run and make Eli throw the ball. They all know Eli will eventually make a bonehead play (or 2 or 3!) and lose the game for the Giants. The only way to establish the run, is to continue to pound the freaking ball down their throats, whether you get immediate results or not. Unfortunately, if we start back at our 20 and don’t make a first down, we bring in the WORST PUNTER IN THE LEAGUE to shank one off his foot and give the opposing team great field position.

by josegolfer40 on Nov 22, 2010 1:54 PM EST up reply actions  

?? Was it in an earlier post?

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 1:13 PM EST up reply actions  

as they say in Texas Hold em

cards speak. the line is certainly in a state of flux right now, and it just HAS to improve (either through cohesion or through returns of the horses) but right now running the ball is very difficult. i was thinking about the top of the leader board in terms of this “stuffs” and power running stats, and the Jets, with their wildcat set, are very succesful.

also, even the best RBs in the world are not worth their salt if they can’t hold on to the rock. if we had a better option than Brandon (who by the way i believe is really affected by lack of snaps/momentum) i believe you would see bradshaw sit out some series

humbly and sadly

section_112

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe Bradshaw needs just that.

Give his body a break.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

he needs something

because Tiki fcking Barbers worst fumble year was 2002 & 2003, both 9 fumbles lost or recovered. Ahmad this year is at 11 fumbles, 7 lost. and we have 6 games to go. unacceptable. i think he should be benched. i really do

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Stop teasing me Sec. (drooling grin on my face)

Ware won’t solve their problems but he will bring some fresh legs and a new dynamic to the Offense. He is a good screen catch and runner. Give my man Ware some time.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Also, I have noticed the opposing Defenses don't even try to tackle Bradshaw now.

They just go for the ball.

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

6 foot, 235

and only 1 fumble in his whole career! (which is a total of 30 attempts btw). seriously, could he do worse? Ahmad is costing us points guys. i love him but it’s true. points

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:32 PM EST up reply actions  

and by the way

2 yrs post that, he ran for 200 yds 3 times in a year. 1800 yds rushing in 05. you may not like his politics or opinions, but he could run the rock

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions  

i was incorrect

apologies. 6 fumbles, 5 lost. directionally accurate though. 10 games in. 10 games in

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:36 PM EST up reply actions  

can't do that

Our only option appears to be Jacobs all the time, instead of Bradshaw? We become even more one dimentional than we are now. Jacobs can’t run outside and he’s no longer the intimidating inside running machine he was two years ago. Bradshaw can run both inside and outside…he just forgets to take the ball with him sometimes.
Unfortunately, he tries to get extra tough years each time he runs the ball and the defense has learned to stand him up so he’ll fight for extra yards, all the time waiting for another defensive players to strip him of the ball. Sometimes, going down after a 6 yards pickup is better than trying for 9 and fumbling the ball….

by josegolfer40 on Nov 22, 2010 1:57 PM EST up reply actions  

plug and play

i think you have to give DJ ware a shot, why not? like i said, that many fumbles has costed us lots of points. RBs are a dime a dozen

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions  

one correction

going down after a 6 yards pickup is better than trying for 9 and fumbling the ball

going down after a 6 yards pickup is better than trying for 6 1/2 yards. I love his tenacity but live to fight another battle.

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by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions  

a healthy O line

will help the running game and it is a valid excuse for the lack of production. I am starting to think moving BJ back up as the starter might not be a bad idea. the Giants need to catch a win or two while everybody is healing.

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by TheWenz on Nov 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

No defense for Eli on this one -

Eli seems to be that kind of player who looks like a hall of Famer at times and a backup rookie from Division B at others. We keep blaming KG for being too conservative but when your “Elite” QB is prone to bonehead plays, maybe that is the best way to go.
and his post game quotes sound like a second grader:
"I gotta slide," Manning said. "Sometimes you’re just kinda going . . . momentum . . . trying to get as much yardage as you can. You’re just kinda running, and it kinda comes to the point where you don’t want to slow down, you don’t know if it’s kinda too late, you just kinda go down the fastest way you know how to. It’s happened to me before. I just gotta don’t worry about the yardage, just go down, we had the first down, and just go feet-first and move the chains."

Man up Eli – we love you for the SB you delivered but there is only so much rope. This team has too much talent to let it go to waste.

Success is never final, but failure can be.
Bill Parcells

by gr8kicks on Nov 22, 2010 1:03 PM EST reply actions  

Haha...

“I gotta slide,” Manning said. “Sometimes you’re just kinda going . . . momentum . . . trying to get as much yardage as you can. You’re just kinda running, and it kinda comes to the point where you don’t want to slow down, you don’t know if it’s kinda too late, you just kinda go down the fastest way you know how to. It’s happened to me before. I just gotta don’t worry about the yardage, just go down, we had the first down, and just go feet-first and move the chains.”

That is George W. Bush-level articulation there. :)

by Skywarp on Nov 22, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions  

LOL!!!

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by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 22, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions  

Right back at you

…and Obama level competence :-)

(running and ducking)

by MattinNJ on Nov 22, 2010 3:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Did anyone see the retarded look that Eli had on his face

In the first half, when he was on the sidelines with his mouth wide open??? Lol,… I swear he must take Riddlin

by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

New QB coach??

Up front I will state that I HATE Kevin Gilbrade as an OC. However, perhaps the problem with Eli Manning is his QB coach, Mike Sullivan who has been with the Giants since 2004. His bio reads “Defensive back Army 1987-88. No pro playing experience. College coach: Mt. San Jacinto (Calif.) J.C. 1993, Humboldt State 1993-94, Army 1995-96, 1999-2000, Youngstown State 1997-98, Ohio 2001. Pro coach: Jacksonville Jaguars 2002-03, joined Giants 2004.” Defensive back in college turns into a QB coach? No pro playing experience? That’s the best QB coach we can find in the league? His only other Pro Coaching experience was with TC in Jacksonville?
We need a ton of changes in our coaching staff…….

by josegolfer40 on Nov 22, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Chris Palmer was the QB coach for awhile (and a former HC and OC..)

he’s coaching somewhere else.

Sullivan got promoted to have continuity

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by Rorschach44 on Nov 22, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions  

lol agrred but...

Do u put in eli’s hands probably close to being the leagues top 3 turnover leader or bradshaw leagues leading fumbler???

by hit_hard on Nov 22, 2010 1:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

Did I see Eli make a left-handed pitch?

I think Bradshaw caught it and made a few yards out of a possible sack. But, didn’t we tell him not to do that? Is he ambidextrous or did the Devil make him do it?

by TerraByte on Nov 22, 2010 1:26 PM EST reply actions  

But...

What made him dive head-first again after he fumbled from doing it last year? He’s got a slow curve on learning from mistakes.

by Skywarp on Nov 22, 2010 1:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I have seen the light

I can’t keep defending Eli anymore. Why can’t he be like his brother? Why couldn’t we get the better part of the genetic pool? Why does he make mistakes Peyton would never make? We all know Peyton would never have a turnover at a crucial time when he was pushing to win the game, even though his team was already in position to tie! We know he would make a better decision, and above all he would take care of the football and give his team the best chance to win against a hated rival! He would never let his fans and team down with a bonehead decision!

Oh wait. Whoops. My bad.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 22, 2010 1:38 PM EST reply actions  

i believe that is known as

spurious correlation.

eli for peyton straight up, and we’ll pay peyton the right number. anyone want to say no to that?

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions  

It's really not spurrious

slightly farcical maybe. Straight up 2-3 years ago? Yeah. But Eli’s got way more years left than Peyton. We would need at least a 5th to go with that. But my point is that it’s soooo repetitive for people to bash Eli and then hold up every other QB as a paragon of ball security that is just so much better than what we’ve got. Are the massive TO’s frustrating as hell? Of course they are. Is Eli a top 10 QB in the league with skills and brains that 2/3 of the teams in this league would die to have? Of course he is. EVERY QB has bonehead plays. Watch the highlight of Drew Brees falling down and underhand flipping a pass right into the DB’s arms. Watch the incredibly stupid throw by Peyton in the Pats game yesterday. Has Eli had way more than he should have this year? No one is arguing this. What I am arguing is people that say he’s not elite or a winner. Put him up on the market tomorrow, and there are 20 teams minimum who would mortgage their next two drafts to get him. Two #1’s plus two more picks or players at least. Because he give sa team a better chance to win the SB than 20-25 QB’s who are starting right now.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 22, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions  

fine

but today i’ll take anyone but boy genius. fair? he’s a bone head and a doofus. he fell over his own feet AGAIN. he threw balls into traffic AGAIN. he has been at it for 7 years and REVERTS half way through each year. you want to know why we suck in the 2nd half? because since 2005, his QB rating has declined every single year from a high when the weather is nice and the pressure isnt as high. EVERY YEAR DUDE. isnt that a pattern?

if you’re comparing him to other QBs and assigning top 10 status, i wont fight ya. if you’re talking about the reason why my football team has taken a nose dive almost every year since 2005, #10 has a lot to do with it. way to hang a 53.5 rating on the eagles last night big guy.

2009 up to late october: rating: 110. into end of year 85.8
2008 up to late october: rating: 67.5 into end of year 83.8 (outlier, but in late losses to philly and dallas, 73 and 44. and playoff game? forget abot it. 40)
2007 up to late october: rating: 81.44 into end of year 67.22 (playoffs were great @ 102)
2006 up to late october: rating: 89.11 into end of year 66.67
2005 up to late october: rating: 80.02 into end of year 71.39.

weather? sure… injuries? sure… but i’m looking at a list of career pass ratings. and boy genius is 23rd rated at 80. #1? yeah thats phillip rivers and aaron rodgers at 96.9.

and if you want, you can take a look at any of the “elite” QBs and see opposite patterns. they get better as it gets later. you want to blame Coughlin for late season meltdowns? how bout Elisha?

news is nicks out for weeks. awesome.

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions   1 recs

That's as fair

as any fairweather fan I’ve seen.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Nov 22, 2010 9:14 PM EST up reply actions  

NO

Peyton is also known for some boneheaded plays.. Yesterday’s game was a good example. Peyton has on as many SBs as Eli. I’ll take Eli.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I am shocked,...

bigbluethruandthru you were one of the main people trying to crucify me when I wrote that post about complaining about Eli. I see that you ARE watching the same games that I watch and you see the idiotic things he does, huh? Do I recall someone calling Eli an ‘elite qb’… I think not. However, even though I do blame this last loss on him, its not always his fault. It’s really Tom Coughlin’s fault for always babying him and always wiping his ass when he makes major screwups. He needs a head coach who won’t pacify him but get in his ass and bring out the best in him.

by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 23, 2010 12:52 AM EST up reply actions  

How many more games are we going to give away this season?

This is ridiculous! Week 11 and we still have problems with turnovers and penalties.

by John W on Nov 22, 2010 2:09 PM EST reply actions  

it's amazing

I’ve been watching the Giants for almost 40 years. It’s stunning how many games we lose that we should or could have won.

"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells

by FrankB03 on Nov 22, 2010 4:10 PM EST up reply actions  

in other news

Is it just me , or is Aaron Ross a severe handicap ? And do tell me why was it that TT gave Mac so much cushion on 3rd & short? ! We played well enough to win but miscues killed us yet again…even now I feel good about our chances going forward ! ST has improved a bit…the OL will get heathy SS12 will be back ! Yeah I like our chances !

Coach put me in !!! I Love special teams !

by Mr.Williams on Nov 22, 2010 2:41 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

i hear ya John

I couldn’t agree more. It very painful to watch them self destruct. I stop watching week 13 last year. I feel the same might be happening this year unless somethings changes. Being out played is one thing. Giving. It away well we all know how we felt last night.

by hit_hard on Nov 22, 2010 2:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions  

how does he not know how to slide?

I also don’t understand the challenge flag coming out after that, as it reeked of desperation. It seemed black-and-white to me on that call.

Bradshaw can’t hold onto the ball, Steve Smith’s understudies can’t catch the ball. Nicks was mediocre for the first time in a long time….just an awful sloppy performance. I suppose the only positive was that they contained the dog-killer for the most part and actually began to hit him in the second half.

What a mess. The game had me throwing my baseball cap all across my apartment.

"It’s just everytime we think the bar can’t get lower, they lower it. Now next year we’ll just be happy to hear that rogue shirtless officials aren’t implementing useless detrimental drills in spring training for no apparent reason."

-Gina, 3/1/10

by Greenpoint Ian on Nov 22, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions  

Take a seat Bradshaw

Lets give Danny, I mean DJ Ware a shot, lets see if he can find a handle on the rock, Jacobs is a fumbler too

by reckingcrew on Nov 22, 2010 3:17 PM EST reply actions  

I would have loved for us to win last night but even though we didn’t I still feel good about what I saw from our team. Do you guys realize that we almost beat the team that is our toughest competition without 4 of our 11 starters on offense? Our defense is great and if we get healthy (and stay healthy) we are going to dominate! We have lost 5 WR (1 pro bowler), 2 pro bowl linemen, our fullback and possibly our best player on defense. That being said, we are still competitive and Tom Coughlin has done a great job keeping our players focused on winning.

by BigBlueBallin on Nov 22, 2010 4:04 PM EST reply actions  

Nicks Injury

I just read that Hakeem Nicks is hurt and is expected to miss like a month. Has anybody else heard anything about that? When it rains it pours…

by mtcl05 on Nov 22, 2010 4:21 PM EST reply actions  

its true

hard to see how we get up from this

by section_112 on Nov 22, 2010 4:21 PM EST up reply actions  

I'm cutting Eli some slack

I think I heard 9-9, 2TD’s, 149 yds in two series end of 3rd/beg of 4th. The kid’s a winner. $100,000 worth of winner

"After a difficult week the best outcome has been reached for all parties except Manchester City" - Gary Neville

by dorsal on Nov 22, 2010 10:36 PM EST reply actions  

You are just as slow as Eli

what good is that when you fumble the ball with no one around you on the go-ahead drive to tie the game???? All those stats are down the toilet after that. Please do not cheerlead mediocrity….

by PaulieKnucklez1 on Nov 23, 2010 1:01 AM EST up reply actions  

this.

Q: Who is at left guard?
A: We'll see. What are you doing?

by 27Tango on Nov 23, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions  

well, not the slow part....but the fact that Eli fumbling is the game...

I give Eli his due on most days, when he deserves it, but he deserves the shallacking he should get with the fumble

Q: Who is at left guard?
A: We'll see. What are you doing?

by 27Tango on Nov 23, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Agreed. Deserves it.

I’ll take my shots with the ball in his hand though, late in a game needing a score. At the time of the fumble, had our D come up big again, we had a good chance at winning that game.

"After a difficult week the best outcome has been reached for all parties except Manchester City" - Gary Neville

by dorsal on Nov 25, 2010 2:38 AM EST up reply actions  

From down 16-3 to up 17-16 in +2 min

Did you feel the game change? I love when that happens. He makes it happen. Philly were on there heals. An odd fumble, doesn’t make me lose sight of his talents and what we pay him to do.

I can see you point though, it was the second time he’s done this.

"After a difficult week the best outcome has been reached for all parties except Manchester City" - Gary Neville

by dorsal on Nov 25, 2010 2:34 AM EST up reply actions  

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