New York Giants Notes: Smith Out Several More Weeks
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2010 7:22 AM EST
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PrintWeek-to-week has turned into at least a month or more that the New York Giants will have to make do without wide receiver Steve Smith, according to ESPN's Adam Schefter.
So, what do the Giants do now? They have only three wide receivers on the roster and Samuel Giguere on the practice squad. Sinorice Moss is not eligible to be re-signed by the Giants since he had been on the team's injured reserve list.
At first blush, Derek Hagan is the obvious choice. The Giants released the five-year veteran at the beginning of the season, choosing to keep Duke Calhoun instead. Hagan is a five-year veteran, spent two years with the Giants and caught eight passes a year ago. He knows the offense and, theoretically, would be able to step in and play Sunday with minimal confusion.
Then there is Tim Brown, the speedster from Rutgers. He landed on Arizona's practice squad after the Giants cut him at the end of the preseason, but has since been released. In the situation the Giants are in right now, though, I would think they might prefer Hagan's experience. Maybe, however, adding Brown to the practice squad isn't a bad idea.
As for other options, here is a list of available players. Anyone on that list appeal to you?
The Philadelphia Eagles looked unstoppable Monday night in mauling the Washington Redskins, 59-28. With the Giants and Eagles squaring off for first place in the NFC East this Sunday you can look at this a couple of ways. You can think the beaten-up Giants are in a ton of trouble Sunday, and you can basically hand the Eagles the NFC East Lombardi Trophy right now. Or, you can look at it and be glad they got that incredible game out of their system and figure they are likely to come back to earth against the Giants. Obviously, I am hoping for the latter.
Giants coach Tom Coughlin has a pretty simple plan for getting the Giants back on track after Sunday's disappointing loss to Dallas.
"We've got to re-establish who we are, sink our feet into the sand a little bit and come out swinging. We've got a lot of issues that have got to be straightened out. Just stop and think about 480 yards, taking the 50 yards on the Nicks throw, and 20 points?" Coughlin said. "We've got to clean up these penalties, the missed assignments - all of that stuff has got to get cleaned up. Regardless of how we figure the chemistry of the groups on either side of the ball or with special teams, that's all got to get cleaned up and cleaned up fast."
Quarterback Eli Manning sounded the same theme -- too many unforced mistakes.
"You see the film and you see a lot of missed opportunities. You can look at it both ways. You're doing a lot of good things, and if we don't hurt ourselves - you can't jump offsides on the two-yard line. Because of that, we get an interception and a few plays later, they go 101 yards. That's a 14-point swing," Manning said.
Veteran safety Deon Grant said the Giants defensive players have to forget about Sunday's poor game against Dallas and focus on preparing for the high-flying Eagles.
"it's going to be a long season.' That's the main thing. That's one loss, and we're still at the top of our division," Grant said. "at the end of the day, you have to let that go. The guys that had bad games, made a lot of mental mistakes, and just didn't play the game that they usually play, you just have to let them go and get back to basics. Keep this brotherhood that we have going, keep it together."
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Eh...
That list isn’t really a list of players we can get right now.
This past Sunday + Monday isn’t making me feel so well about next week.
That list
is not accurate, those were players available before the season started? Based on the here and now, I would bring back Hagan, knows the offense. It sounds like Barden is done for the season, finally had contributed, so we are down 3 lineman, and 3 wide receivers.
Better tighten those chin straps, need a total team effort this week.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions
That list
was last updated 10/30, as far as I know. It does have some players on it who are still free.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I saw
the top 20 on that list, only one available is Plax, oops, I guess not.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
Scroll down
there’s a bunch of unsigned guy. Not that most of ’em are any good.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2010 9:09 AM EST up reply actions
you mean
Steptoe isn’t good?
Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW
Keep Gardner!!
by total hermination on Nov 16, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
receivers
I think you bring back Hagan. He’s not only a competent receiver but a good special teams player. I feel really bad for Ramses Barden. He was on pace for an excellent first game as a starter.
Apart from shoring up the receiving corps, the Giants have to be worried about the O line the rest of the year.
I think it has to be Hagan
He was always reasonably reliable for us and he can get going straight away. He’ll contribute on special teams which is a massive bonus.
Don’t think his attitude was ever in question during his first spell here so it’s a no brainer as far as I’m concerned.
I’d expect to see more sets with Beckum lined up as well.
matt moore jay cutler todd collins shaun hill tony romo ...next please
Amani Toomer, where are you when we need you bro.
The Eagles are a good team There is no doubt about that. The Cowboys played thier game and won not because they were the better team but because of mistakes that we made, questionable penalties and questionable non penatlties.
Rhe only major issue that I see with oir game against the Eagles is Vick. I have been following him ever since he signed with the Eagles and I knew this day was coming. 5 consecutive weeks of strong football does not account for nothing. The Giants are a verly talented team and all they need to do is play like they know it.
You could save a bunch of money on child support by switching to condoms.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 16, 2010 7:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Have you forgotten Jackson?
He takes GREAT delight in making the Giants look terrible.
I just had a virtual face palm
thinking about Thomas and Webster up against him after watching last week’s debacle.
Aaron Ross may have been our best CB statistically last week!
matt moore jay cutler todd collins shaun hill tony romo ...next please
by ScottishGiant on Nov 16, 2010 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
I think you are 100% correct.
You can see it in his celebrations. That is why I was hoping he wouldn’t come back from that big hit he took a couple weeks back.
You could save a bunch of money on child support by switching to condoms.
by LoNJDTechnology on Nov 16, 2010 8:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Well that
and he does it with such ease. Some guys just play better versus certain teams, and it seems with him the Giants are at the top or near the top of said list.
I'm not buying that
The Giants just don’t scheme properly.
He’s a small guy. Get physical with him and jam him at the line. Play a safety over the top to help out. I don’t understand why it’s so hard for the Giants to defend him.
The Cowboys have used that simple approach on Jackson and it’s worked beautifully. He had a big game against them the first time that he faced them. He hasn’t reached 50 receiving yards since.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Is it just that our corners aren't physical enough full stop?
matt moore jay cutler todd collins shaun hill tony romo ...next please
by ScottishGiant on Nov 16, 2010 8:50 AM EST up reply actions
They are physical corners
they are not the fastest though.
His speed is lethal
so you are right… but jamming WR tends to not work for the Giants corners as a continual in game plan.
If they get the proper safety help, it's fine
Last year we didn’t have good safeties. This year we have them but Fewell doesn’t always use them properly.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Exactly!
Jackson is not uncoverable. You just have to double him on every play. Macklin does not scare me as much as Jackson does. And for the last 2 games, we have had no pass rush at all. We couldn’t get to Charlie Whitehurst, starting his first game ever, and then we couldn’t get to the 38 year old, immobile Jon Kitna??? It all starts with pressure on the QB, and we have to contain Vick!
Didn't get to Whitehearst...
Lots of 3 and 5 step drops, plus the Dline completely shut down the run. We held the ball for 43 minutes on offense, the Dline wasn’t good against Dallas, they were good against the Seahawks.
Fewell got outcoached against Dallas, it happens
Garrett started out with the short passes that were well blocked, and he anticipated Fewell’s adjustments, which made the Giants vulnerable to attack against T2 with Rolle biting on the short route. He has to start flopping the corners if the opposition has a true #1 receiver, because T2 cannot be left in man coverage against guys the likes of Dez Bryant or DeShaun Jackson.
Philly will be a different game plan, because the Giants cannot play much man coverage with Vick’s ability to run. Vick still doesn’t have the ability to stay in the pocket and go through his reads. If his primary receiver is covered he pulls the ball down and looks to escape the pocket like a college QB. Gameplanning will be very important in this game. The Giants need to anticipate the Eagles’ route combinations pre-snap and identify the primary receiver. Double cover the primary guy. Then, the pass rush needs to stay disciplined. They need to maintain their lanes and collapse, trapping Vick in the pocket. When his primary receiver is covered and he looks to escape the pocket, he will run into sacks. I used to watch it happen all the time when he played Tampa twice a year. He got sacked like crazy.
The Eagles are going to hit on some plays against the Giants. The way the Giants win this game is by eliminating the mistakes on offense, score 30 or more, and hold the Eagles to 28 or less.
Hagan
I hope he is in today,
Toomer just finished a marathon he is ready,
Maybe Moss will get kicked of the Titans this week..I am going to send some crappy food to the locker room now
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Step up and Free FREE BRADSHAW!!
I don't think Philly will play as good next week
it will be next to immpossible but lets look at the situation. The Giants are now officially decismated at WR with injuries and the O-line is in shambles. The biggest key to beating Philly will be to keep their O off the field. I don’t see the Giants doing this without a guy like Smitty or an O-line at full strenghth. You know Reid and Morningwig are going to look at what the Cowboys did, ie Screen passes, deep passes to TTs side and exploit that all night. And we all know the Giants will not adjust one dam thing on O or D. The D-line is starting to fade like they always do and I think our secondary got exposed by Jason freaking Garret of all people. I know I’m a bit negative but have we not seen this before with this team? Great first half then it all comes apart and we get hit with tons of injuries.
We still have not fixed the turnover problem and the lack of concentration errors with our WRs and I don’t care what the stats say our O takes way too long to get going and to get into a rythm to be considered great. They make some great plays and get hot but they lack consistancy. And the run game is a product of the passing game we no longer dominate teams right from the start with our ground game we have to lossen up the D. This will make a bad recipe going against Philly this week. They own us and Reid and his staff usaully do a much better job game planning for us than we do against them. This will not be fun on Sunday night.
well then maybe next season i guess...
If you cant beat him, break him, if you CAN beat him than break him anyway
- The New York Giant Defense's motto when dealing with quarterbacks for the
2010-2011 Season
We flew through three time zones just to whip that ass today we ain't done!
-Keith Bulluck against Seattle
Next to impossible? SMH
Vick was going against the 31st-ranked pass defense last night. Similarly, the Giants offense crushed Houston’s 32nd-ranked pass defense. Tit for tat.
1. The LBs had no containment against Dallas. Those screens and bubble screens by Dallas have been in their playbook the entire season. They were a surprise to nobody who has watched them play. It baffles me that our LBs over-pursued on every one of them. When the safeties saw our LBs out of position, they started to creep up because they no longer trusted the LBs to make the play. That made things worse. The Giants must maintain containment. Stay in your lane and don’t allow a broken play to turn into a big play.
2. The D-line isn’t fading. It’s called facing max protection. Osi was getting chipped by the RB and Tuck was getting chipped by the TE or vice versa. Fewell didn’t adjust. He should’ve switched to a Cover-2 zone defense. If the Cowboys are going to send only two or three people out on routes, then make the QB throw into a sea of defenders. That’s what caused Cutler to hold onto the ball and get sacked so much. Inexplicably, I saw Fewell call blitzes against max protection. Beyond ridiculous. There was no chance they were getting to Kitna so blitzing was playing right into the Cowboys’ hands. That left Thomas alone against Dez way too much and alone against RW on that 3rd-and-22 conversion.
3. That segues into my next point. The secondary wasn’t exposed as much as Fewell was out-schemed. Anyone who properly prepared for the Dallas game would’ve known that Kitna had been targeting Dez over RW and Miles by a wide margin. Why was Webster on Miles and not Dez? If Thomas was going to cover Dez, then where was his help? Offenses have been targeting Thomas. Give him help! Fewell had the Giants playing with one safety back on too many plays. If you notice, that INT by Grant was in a deep zone. Grant was able to leave his spot to make a play on the ball.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
I don't think
either of our coordinators are good at in game adjustments.Just one man’s opinion.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
I fully agree
But to add if I may, we just stick to our gameplan, the whole game it’s what we’ve always done.
Spot on
The LB play was garbage. I’m glad someone else is acknowledging their piece of that crap pie we put together against Dallas. You are also dead on about the max protect. Here is what really scares me. When was the last time you saw a team go max protect aginst our Giants, the DC refuse to adjust, and our defense get humiliated. It happened last year against the Saints. The game that started our death spiral. Our biggest flaw was a stubborn DC that couldn’t or wouldn’t adjust. Our D looked good against the chimps of the league but teams with OC that could out scheme us and the talent to pull it off made us look like garbage. Are we in for another year of that or can Fewell pull his head out of his arse. The Dallas game and the Indy game don’t bode well for us in that department. Really the only complete team we faced that Fewell had this unit looking stud against was Houston. The other teams were weak in general or playing with a backup QB making them weaker than normal.
Fewell
Unlike the Colts game I thought he called it as good as can be expected. Fewell cannot be expected to make the right D call on every play, your going to need at the very least, GOOD defensive QB’ing from your MLB position and a lot better decisions on the field of play between the DB’s When your in a chess match like they were, I saw none from either position.
Well
My assumptions of SS being out for maybe 1 week was completely wrong. Guess thats a slow healing injury. I j ust thought that since it was from reaching for a pass…not from blocking or being stepped on….that he would be right back in the lineup.
Anyways tho.. we had that game last week vss the Boys. Give em credit, they played strong to their gameplan…good calls for screens at the right times..take two of those screen plays out..and our bonehead td recending plays..we blow them out once again. But hey….its better then losing 33-20…with our offense getting only 175 yds total..and Ko return for a TD.
The Eagles are healthy right? THey got Djackson back..and the mlb is back playing well, Bradley. So now that the rust and new game follies are out of Boothes system. and the team focusing on minimizing mistakes..we should see a battle fa sho!!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
WR's
Nicks, Ham, Barden, Cruz, Calhoun. I’ll add Hagan. We dont need anymore youth at this point..especially if we’re just looking for a band-aide signing right now.
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Beggars can't be choosers
Old or young, if someone can learn the offense and be reliable, that’s good enough for me.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Actually
only three of those mentioned are available, Barden and Cruz are done for the season.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 8:34 AM EST up reply actions
whoa did i miss something?
Barden done for the season.. and what happend to cruz?
Could this be thet curse of Sinorice Moss?!
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
Cruz
Probably regretting putting Victor Cruz on IR… he was tremendous in the slot in pre-season…
Hindsight
is always 20-20, can’t look back, they felt they needed the roster spot.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 8:35 AM EST up reply actions
another reason why the NFL needs a DL-style system
instead of the season-long IR.
2009 Did Not Happen
Doesn't exist
Because the teams abused it to stash players and have certain types of guys for certain games. NFL GMs just have to be very smart about their roster management now. IRing a guy for a hammy is pretty iffy.
if they go to 18 games
the IR shoulded be changed
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Or they will have to increase the roster size
If you can carry more guys to start with the IR doesn’t necessarily need to be changed. Honestly I’d rather there not be an 18 game season.
me either
stay with 16
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 16, 2010 10:48 AM EST up reply actions
We should have put Reynaurd on IR a long time ago.
2 games into our new return man I can’t understand why the Giants were so patient with Reynaurd, we cut a speical teams linebacker and put Victor on IR just to keep this guy on the active roster and he gave us Zero in on the field production.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 16, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
If they need to
sign a receiver this week, Reynot’s expiration date will come. Actually they cut Kiehl to bring back the Bear, when Boss was hurt.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
We need to avoid the big-play....could this be how?
Disclaimer…this is pure theory and NOT a possibility without absolute perfection from the defense on every single snap.
Let them drive up to the red-zone and eliminate the the big play that way. They have problems when they can’t rely on the vertical passing game. Don’t give them any space to work.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Vick
can run a bit the last time I looked.
matt moore jay cutler todd collins shaun hill tony romo ...next please
by ScottishGiant on Nov 16, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
replay fail...
look down…
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
And that's why I stated...
Disclaimer…this is pure theory and NOT a possibility without absolute perfection from the defense on every single snap.
But they have had problems in short yardage situations.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
I think
what the Scotish gent means is even without the so-called “space to work with”, Vick brings
a X factor to the element, he can create on his own. I hear a lot of doom and gloom, the Giants had a bad game, doesn’t mean they can’t win Sunday, but they need to clean things up quickly!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 8:49 AM EST up reply actions
Thanking you Gatsby.
Vick is as unique a quarterback as there is in the NFL just now. He’s one of those that you could always tell that if he put it all together at the same time he could be one of the very best around. It’s just a shame that he’s such a disgrace of a human-being.
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by ScottishGiant on Nov 16, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with that...
I also think the Giants have just as much of a chance of winning on Sunday as the eagles do.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
I know, I know.
We just need to be really tight in the secondary and try to get those short yardage situations a bit further up the field though no?
matt moore jay cutler todd collins shaun hill tony romo ...next please
guys, guys, guys
all we’re missing is our offensive line and WRs! We got this one.
I can’t wait to see Michael Vick obliterated on the field. Wonder if the Eagles fans will cheer THAT injury.
FREE FREEBRADSHAW!!!
Dear Santa...
After watching Mike Vick and Eagles offense last night, we have decided that what we really need for Xmas is a new case of underwear.
Thanks
CWeb and TT
Offensively
The Giants are banged up but if they exacute their mistake free game plan they will score plenty of points. Now the defense is healthy and must and i mean must play a physical mistake free game.The front four better play like a bunch of crazed dogs.pressure pressure pressure thats the key. Gotta jam the wide recievers at the line and i mean jam the shit out of them. Punch em in the mouth dominate the line of scrimmage put me in coach im ready to play.
This is the most depressing thread i have ever read
seriously if you dont think we can win then just dont bother watching the game, but if your willing o admit that it was three to five really bad mistakes THAT ALL TURNED INTO TOUCHDOWNS then maybe you should stick around
BTW
Anyone remember when we were supposed to get destroyed by the bears crazy offense, THEN get destroyed by the texans…good times
If you cant beat him, break him, if you CAN beat him than break him anyway
- The New York Giant Defense's motto when dealing with quarterbacks for the
2010-2011 Season
We flew through three time zones just to whip that ass today we ain't done!
-Keith Bulluck against Seattle
gotta control the clock
their defense is OK, the Giants can move the ball on anyone. Just of course limit turnovers and penalties.
I think you can get stops, just limit those big plays. Vick will be a pain in the ass to tackle, but I’d rather he run a lot then throw and beat us deep.
Defintely winable. I think we will as long as they don’t turn the ball over. Be a good week to stop that crap. And penalties ditto.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I am hopeful they can win
but to go into it thinking 100% they are gonna win is just foolhardy.
hoping for the best, but expecting the worst
are you gonna drop the bomb or not?
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
On that list
only Antonio Bryant is worth a damn that’s actually available. I dunno if he’s even healthy.
Gotta say Hagan. Possibly TIm Brown for the PS. Long shot would be Toomer, can’t hurt to call him I guess.
But Hagan’s probably most likely. Even tho Bryant’s talented, he IS a nipplehead.
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I saw Bryant too
and a little interested in it.
I mean he got all that guaranteed money from the Bengals, I bet we could give him a veterans minimum and he’ll be happy to be playing.
After a few months, he’s probably healthy. But is he football ready
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Not surprising
I’m sure I’m not alone in this, but I pretty much assumed Smith would be out for an extended period of time with that kind of injury. Realistically, I wouldn’t be shocked if he doesn’t play the rest of the year. Sorry to be that guy.
So did I
As soon as the word “torn” was mentioned, figured at least a month. It also wouldn’t surprise me if he doen’t see the field again in the regular season. Now, maybe the playoffs?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
When I read torn
I was waiting on the IR announcement figuring if it didn’t come it was only because they hope he could be a part of the playoffs. I doubt he plays again in the regular season.
This.
“We’ve got to re-establish who we are, sink our feet into the sand a little bit and come out swinging.
I hope that Coughlin relays this message to the players (maybe a little less diplomatically) as well as he did to the media, cause that sounds like a pretty awesome mentality to take into Sunday.
In years past...
We have done well against Michael Vick, but unfortunately, he is on the Eagles now and they play us really well. Oh and Desean Jackson, yeah he’ll be a problem too.
I really think the Giants need to play this game by setting the tempo with ball control. We need the offense to have 10 min drives and force the Eagles defense to stop us. The less time Vick is on the field, the better.
As for the Giants WR situation, Hagan is the clear cut choice, but my heart kind of wants to go with Tim Brown. I don’t know what it is but I think that guy could give the Eagles some matchup problems along with Manningham and Nicks
How about finally getting the ball to Boss this week.
He is like an extra receiver since Gilbride ignores him so much. Some more screens to Jacobs too….It wasn’t that long ago he caught a 74 yard touchdown against the Boys.
Please, KG try to be a bit more imaginative this week….you can do it. We still have enough playmakers even if some are injured.
by giant fan since 57 on Nov 16, 2010 9:38 AM EST reply actions
How about screens
to BRADSHAW, tired of watching Jacobs drop 50% of the throws in his direction! Boss caught
five balls last week, besides the one drop. they used him more, and probably will again. I still think they should use Beckum in the slot more thana Calhoun. But TC said before last week, not happening?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions
Screens to AB
There were a couple of those this week.
by Ed Valentine on Nov 16, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Yep
and more play action, Eli should take a lesson from big ’bro, how to carry out the play fake.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 12:59 PM EST up reply actions
Jacobs
I like the passes to jacobs, allowing him to work his big self in space and get a full head of steam, but as GG says, he drops more passes than you’d like.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I think if he gets more passes thrown his way he will improve as a receiver.
It’s not like he is as bad as Hedgecock. If he gets a small amount of open space he can run like a bull. I wouldn’t rule out a few outside tosses to Jacobs. The Eagles tend to rush up the middle a lot.
by giant fan since 57 on Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Outside
of Hedgehog, worst hands on the team bar none! So if he only catches about 50%,
the other half of the time, you wasted a play and a down. He’s been around since ’05,
plenty of time to show improvement in that area, he has bad hands, period.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
Is it just me
or whenever we have to rely on Boss, we’re usually losing? it just might be a coincidence or the fact that defenses are giving the middle of the field since they have the lead.
***FREE FreeBradshaw***
by Thextreme71 on Nov 16, 2010 10:27 AM EST up reply actions
Just asking?
Who the hell is Samuel Giguere?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Practice squad guy
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
I know
who the hell is he, never heard of him in college?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 9:58 AM EST up reply actions
ummmm
Philly shot their load…Reid is now 13-0 after a bye,we stunk against Dallas..I see us playing well,and Philly not so much ! In a way them blowing ot the skins works for us ! They will have a slight drop off …Run run & run some more…Jam Jackson…DE contain force Vick to stay in pocket,3 safties is a must !I’m not worried about philly,when we play our game we don’t lose !
Coach put me in !!! I Love special teams !
by Mr.Williams on Nov 16, 2010 9:43 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I guess
we can forget 13 in a row now, huh?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions
touché
I did say it was possible…I’m just a fan….but my logic was that, none of the teams are out right better than us ! I was off …7 straight cld work !
Coach put me in !!! I Love special teams !
by Mr.Williams on Nov 16, 2010 1:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
the papers are hilarious today
from superbowl favorites at the end of last week to the “here comes another bad second half” talk, complete with record comparisons going back 5 years. All this after a loss to a Dallas team (and a John Kitna) that was pretty much due, as much as it pains me to say that. That’s the NFL.
This is why it makes no sense to start picking superbowl favorites after week 8, especially in this league. 2007 anyone? Take it week to week.
We’ve got Vick to focus on now, and the defense won’t be doggin’ it like the skins last night (no pun intended). Yeah he has more targets in Philly than he did in Atlanta, but this game will be a real test for them and I think we should come out with the win. Something tells me it may be a defensive struggle reminiscent of the Collins/McNabb years.
Ronny Turiaf plays here
You. Us. We. NOW
Keep Gardner!!
by total hermination on Nov 16, 2010 9:44 AM EST reply actions
I'm Not Overly Concerned
We got our bad game out of our system. Philly got it’s good game out of it’s system. So, with all things equal the Giants are the better team. I think the Giants will play real well Sunday night. We will be okay!
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Nov 16, 2010 9:45 AM EST reply actions
philly
is the opposite of who they used to be. they are not quick, small, flashy, weak defense. new york giants defense, if last week was a fluke, will eat them up. i predict pain for vick
sorry they are quick
not not. you know what i’m sayin
we just need to
run on them. if we supposedly have a GREAT running team, we need to stick it to them
We need to keep in mind..
The Eagles routed the Washington Redskins…We are the Giants…Need to throw out the Dallas game and remember that ..I’m sure they know the difference..All the gloom and doom here is ridiculous..They beat-up the Skins..Big Deal. Lets see how they fare against a real team…The Giants game is just as big a test for them as it is for us, so let’s ’Get Ready to Rumblllllllllleeeeeeee!!!!!!!! ’
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
hell yeah
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 16, 2010 10:46 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah Bobbi
but we still don’t have a GREAT running team, kick Vick in the nuts, works for me, LOL!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 12:44 PM EST up reply actions
LOL!!..Yeah!!..That'll work!
Or give him a real good poke in those sore ribs and tell him you were just kidding..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
"Kick Vick in the nuts" ...
may be the best “scheme” I’ve heard of that PF could install for Sunday yet. LOL !
The Giants
Play better when flying under the radar. All the SB talk was probably a bit too premature. IMO the Giants are now in a better place now. People won’t be expecting as much anymore.
The Eagles are still the Eagles. Their defense is pourous. We will be fine!
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Nov 16, 2010 9:56 AM EST reply actions
AMANI TOOMER
Why not bring in Amani. He just ran a marthon. Is obviously in great shape. Knows the playbook, has chemistry with eli, no one has any tape on so they wont know what to expect so who to line up across from him will have to be the eagles best guess. Amani sounds perfect. Also i really want plax back next year the giants could get him on a small contract and he would emediatelly provide wide receiver depth that the team needs.
are we really clamoring for Tooms?!
He ran a marathon. Good job for him. But that is a complete different physical challenge than playing in the NFL. Actually…u cant even use that as a bar of comparison that he should be ready to step in at WR
"they try to do what he do, and been where he's been, but they get folded in two.....he's the dude"
While I'd love to see Turbo Tim suit up
Smith was our third down security blanket, a solid possession receiver. Tim Brown is a speedster you’d use to stretch the field. Entirely the wrong type of player to fill the vacant hole. I think it is either Hagan who is more that possession type receiver or this Canadian on the practice squad if he fits that mold. Don’t know Jack about the guy but he knows the offense as well as Hagan probably from being on the practice squad and is already part of the organization so it is an easy roster move. If we do bring him up I’d like to see Tim Brown get his spot on the PS.
"Unforced" is the operative word in Ed's post ...
Stop killing yourself is step #1.
As for Vick, we need more scheme than usual this week. PF needs to come up with some disguised coverages and new looks that he hasn’t seen before. A contain oriented pass rush is more crucial than getting to him quicker. Just cut off his escape lanes and make him throw. Yeah, easier said than done, but that’s the objective.
I can’t believe that all of a sudden Vick has become an elite pocket passer. His 3 stellar outings this year are against the Lions, Jaguars and Skins. ’Nuff said.
Toomer and Burress
I think Toomer is a better option. Burress is still up at the Oneida Correctional Facility in Rome NY. I’m sure Toomer can play but he may be physically still recovering from the marathon. It usually takes 2-4 weeks to recover, I know from personal experience.
by ChicagoGiantsFan on Nov 16, 2010 10:05 AM EST reply actions
if we're going to lose
let’s lose a good game. we have not lost well all year. in fact, we have not won badly all year. it’s all or nothing at all.
The Detroit game
Was a pretty ugly game. We got lucky with Detroit shooting themselves in the foot when in good scoring position much like we did against Dallas. Even still they were driving to be right back in it at the end with their third string QB.
bring in laverneus coles
hes used to playing in the ny spotlight, hes a veteran who knows the position, and up until the very end of training camp he was still on the jets roster. i think we could do a lot worse than picking up coles, for depth at the very least.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Nov 16, 2010 10:11 AM EST reply actions
This doesn't sound that bad actually.
He could be SS-lite, imo.
***FREE FreeBradshaw***
by Thextreme71 on Nov 16, 2010 10:29 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe we should have put in a claim on Moss haha
…
j/k, no way would I want him, and he is the exact opposite kind of receiver from Smith, so I don’t know how much he would have helped anyway. I’m down with Hagan – he was pretty good in the preseason, I was surprised when we let him go. I really wish we could have Victor Cruz back – stupid IR.
Also, guys, cheer up – no way are the Eagles gonna play as well as they played last night – they’re not the 2007 Patriots. And I think we’re a lot better than we played against the Cowboys the other day – they were due for a win and Jason Garrett did a good job rallying the team to actually get its head out of its ass for once. If Wade had an extra week, I’m convinced the Giants would be 7-2 right now. Nothing you can do about that but prepare for Vick and his dogs Eagles.
2009 Did Not Happen
We should add Hagan and Brown
Were down to 3 recievers, we should add both. Maybe Tim Brown streaking down the field isn’t such a bad thing. It might take the 8th man out of the box. And if we get Nicks and Brown going deep that opens the underneith up for Manningham, Boss, and Bradshaw. If Tim can move a saftey it would help us out a lot.
by Big Blue in tx on Nov 16, 2010 10:30 AM EST reply actions
All of this talk, re: Hagan...
…does anyone have a clue what kind of shape he is in? It is one thing to suggest bringing him in because of his history with the team, but if he isn’t game ready from a fitness point of view then it probably isn’t the best move over the course of the next few games.
by Step up and make big plays on Nov 16, 2010 11:09 AM EST reply actions
You need to bring
our A game most weeks in the NFL.
Look at the upsets last week alone(Dallas, Chicago)
Look at the games that should’ve been upsets(Cleveland)
There is a reason there are no undefeated teams or one loss teams in the NFL.
You are going to have bad weeks.
We have had three and that is still better than most of the league.
Well we can be assured that Jerry Reese will do what is best..I have the utmost faith in him.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Folks
Well Dressed Amani is not walking thru that door…
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 16, 2010 12:53 PM EST up reply actions
Thanks alot Great!!...Now I'll be singing the ZZ-Top tune..all day long..
Every Girls’s Crazy ’bout a Sharp Dressed Man!!!..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Derek Hagan...
makes the most sense if he is fit enough to play. I assume the Giants will bring in a few players for workouts and then they have a tough decision to make. Sorry, but Duke Calhoun as the #3/slot receiver worries the bejesus out of me.
Bryant the head case?
They need 2 WR’s as Reynaud should go on IR as well. I’d bring in Hagan, Brown and Bryant and see who is in shape. Giants could control Bryants locker room antics as he would be the most talented of the 3 (assuming he’s in shape). Whatever 2 perform get to say. From a sentimental point of view, would love to see Tim Brown!
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