NFC East Looking Like New York-Philadelphia Slugfest
by Ed Valentine on Nov 1, 2010 10:50 AM EDT
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PrintThe New York Giants did not even play Sunday, and it was still a great day to be a Giants fan. The Dallas Cowboys continued their implosion, and a quarterback controversy erupted in Washington. With Week 8 of the NFL season in the books, can it be any more obvious that the NFC East will come down to a fight between the 5-2 Giants and the 4-3 Philadelphia Eagles?
The situation is so bad in Dallas that Jerry Jones can't even remember what the Cowboys record is. He admitted to being "dumbfounded" and "embarrassed" that the Cowboys are 1-7. Alas, wishful thinking. They are "only" 1-6.
Consider this delicious possibility, Giants fans. This could be the worst year in the history of the Cowboys franchise, worse even than the 1-15 season of 1989, Troy Aikman's rookie year. Even if the Cowboys manage to win a couple of games the rest of the way, think about what Dallas faithful thought this season would bring. This season's Super Bowl is in Dallas and both Jones and the Cowboy fan base not only hoped the team would be playing in the game -- they expected it.
With that expectation as the context, how can this disaster not be considered the worst season in the history of the franchise? Oh, and if the Giants were to make it to the big show in Dallas at the end of the season, how nice would that be? Ah, the possibilities.
In Washington, the 4-4 Redskins have been competitive all season and have proven dangerous when playing well. But, coach Mike Shanahan shredded whatever good feelings had been created thus far when he yanked Donovan McNabb near the end of a 37-25 loss to Detroit Sunday, inserting Rex Grossman because "that was the best scenario for us to have a chance to win."
In addition to the fact that Grossman stinks, McNabb is a six-time Pro Bowler the Redskins traded for in hopes of rebuilding around him. Now, it might be one-and-done in D.C. for Donovan. Even if it isn't, it certainly looks like the Redskins are fractured.
That leaves the Giants and Eagles competing for the NFC East crown, and what might be the division's only playoff berth this season. It seems like we have been here before, doesn't it Giants fans?
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i hope we face tampa in the playoffs repeat 2007!!! haha
by bdasilva7785 on Nov 1, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Thank you Mike Shanahan
For blowing up your own team. What a dumb, dumb football decision that was!
I want more JPP and I want it now!
That was a joke
I couldn’t help but laugh when listening to Neon Deion and Irvin last night.
Deion: “Is that the same Rex Grossman who played for the Bears”
Irvin: “Our eyes have seen enough of Rex Grossman”
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Rex Grossman?
Seriously, you think Rex…who hasn’t played in a loong time gives you a better chance? That was one of the strangest calls I’ve seen a HC make in a long time.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
Shanny is wilting under the pressure
DC ain’t Denver baby
How long till the hasn’t won without Elway thing rears its ugly head.
I never understood why everyone was pretending Shanahan was this great coach
He won two titles with the best running back in the NFL, the best O-line in the NFL, and John Elway. I could have taken that team to the Super Bowl. His teams haven’t won squat in a decade, and how many late season collapses did he have in Denver the past 5 years?
2009 Did Not Happen
In fairness
He was partially responsible for having the best o-line in the NFL.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
+1
I’ve been saying the same thing for years. Without Elway he’s basically done nothing.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
That's not fair to Mike...
True, he was blessed with Elway, but other coaches were too and they didn’t win two Super Bowls. An objective look at his accomplishments tells the story.
by giant fan since 57 on Nov 2, 2010 5:47 AM EDT up reply actions
It has been a very long time since Shanahan has done anything in the league
I still give him credit for the SB’s but Shanahan can no longer live off of the Elway SB’s that were over a decade ago.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 2, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
I respectfully disagree....
Check out his accomplishments in my above link.
The first three are related to the 96-98 incredible run he had which, by the way, was a result of a lot more than simply letting John Elway make Mike look good. If It was only due to John (great as he was) then Denver would have won a lot more than two Super Bowls.
Shanahan has done a lot more than win two Super Bowls. All of the other achievements in his career are no accident. He is a top tier coach. No coach, even Parcells or Belichick, can avoid occasional down times. Mike just got a little stale in Denver. I think he will raise the bar for the Skins…hell he already has, and he’s only been coaching for a few games.
by giant fan since 57 on Nov 2, 2010 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Fell sorry for mcnabb
obviously i hate the eagles but i’ve always been pulling for mcnabb, just seems like no matter where he goes he will never be respected. I think hes too nice for his own good sometimes
If you cant beat him, break him, if you CAN beat him than break him anyway
- The New York Giant Defense's motto when dealing with quarterbacks for the
2010-2011 Season
I bet...
McNabb will be a Cardinal next year and do some good things throwing the ball to Fitzgerald and Breaston. From what I know, he has a house in Arizona and the team will need a competitive QB next year. The Skins do not have the playmakers to help McNabb, they are either too old or too young/inexperienced. I always thought that Shanahan was smarter than that.
Speaking of the Cardinals
What is their Head Coach/OC doing? I am not saying I am a Leinart fan, but if you are going
to dump the guy, at least have a clue who your QB is moving forward. The guy is playing musical chairs at QB.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought that either the Cardinals or 49ers could have all but assured themselves the NFC West by making a play for McNabb, but they both passed and are now looking up at the crappy Seahawks.
As CCE
said above, McNabb lives in Arizona in the offseason, wouldn’t surprise me if he goes there after this season, contract expires. If I was him, I sure as hell wouldn’t stay in DC!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I think McNabb is thinking to himself
“Damn I would look good in purple”
UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!
Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!
"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)
good call, was about to say it
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 1, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Could it be that McNabb is just a good QB who is over valued?
Could it be that Andy Reid simply knows how to maximize his passing offense?
Just saying you have to consider it.
do you remember
2008… I think it was, when were playing them and they were winning and mcbabb ran to out sidelines and picked up the phone? I do. From then on I’ve disliked him. I say bye bye.
+1
I always thought he deserved a lot more respect than he’s gotten. A lot of crap has flown his way (TO, Rush) and this was just outrageous. But that phone incident and the showboating of that Philly team in general just sickened me
mcnabbdance.gif
before the cowboys playoff game last year
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 1, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha
Philly radio went nuts when that happend. Guitar Solo!!!!
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Nov 2, 2010 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions
That happened almost in front of me.
Thought it was ridiculous since he was really mediocre that day.
Threw some bad picks and looked awful till KG and Eli conspired to swing momentum his way.
Ask Rush
“Sorry to say this, I don’t think he’s been that good from the get-go,” Limbaugh said. “I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Frank, are you sure you want to quote Rush LImbaugh about McNabb?
That comment was ridiculous, embarrassing to anyone with a brain, and absolutely false. McNabb deserves every accolade he has received. Donovan has proven it wrong by being one of the best QB’s in the league. I don’t want to pick a fight with you, but in my opinion that kind of comment doesn’t belong on our blog. Limbaugh is a hate mongerer and doesn’t deserve a forum here.
He may be the quarterback of one of our foes but Donovan is a class act and a great role model for other athletes, whatever color they happen to be.
by giant fan since 57 on Nov 2, 2010 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't agree with it but you can't deny that
they had a ballin’ defense every time they got deep into the playoffs.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 2, 2010 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll feel a lot better about all of this if the Giants beat the Seahawks
Then blow out the Cowboys in full the next week. Going in to that Week 11 matchup with the Eagles at 7-2 is the goal.
by long time listener on Nov 1, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Eagles
They are not as scary as recent years. Any team having a QB controversy will have their limits. Both Vick and Kolb are not settled into a role. Our d-line can get to Kolb and I think the Gmen have a good record vs. Vick led teams (I know we have beaten him in the past). The Eagles D is not what it used to be and our offense is starting to click. I would love to beat the Eagles 2, if not 3, times this year!!!
Any team having a QB controversy will have their limits.
Totally disagree. The Niners didn’t have limits when they were rolling with Montana and Young. Hell, look at your own franchise – The Giants won with Simms and Hostetler. Typical “QB controversies” occur when a QB has played poorly. I’m not saying Kolb and Vick are Montana/Young by any stretch, but both QB’s have been very good. It’s not like they’re choosing between Derek Anderson and Max Hall.
From an Eagles fan’s perspective, I could also point out that the Eagles most certainly have the Giants’ number in recent years. They’ve won the last 4 matchups.
Wrong jimmy
There was no controversy in san fran or new york with thise qbs. Young was montanas successor they dd not flop them and host was in because simms was hurt and again simms took back over when healthy. Also lets not look to much into last yr when the giants were playing with an entire 2nd unit defense.
by ManningtoNicks on Nov 1, 2010 12:24 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Your Iggles
better put up 35 points per to beat the Giants, Giants aren’t going to have trouble scoring on that defense. By the way, we are not injury depleted this year, Dawk.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
By the way, we are not injury depleted this year, Dawk.
The Eagles had just as many injuries last year as the Giants, if not more. No excuse there.
You kidding?
Eagles had nowhere near the players missing nor did they have important players missing. Ludacrisep
by ManningtoNicks on Nov 1, 2010 12:38 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Were
both your tailbacks hurt last year? Were both of your DT’s playing hurt last year, was your best defensive end playing hurt last year. Try comparing apples with apples.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
I would
worry about Indy at this point, we’ll see what happens this year.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha, my work is already done – Just have to go to the archives, and pull it up. Trust me… the Eagles probably had more injuries.
Go ahead lol
I doubt it but ill do it after work.
by ManningtoNicks on Nov 1, 2010 12:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Why are we bothering with this?
Number of injuries pssht, in the end neither team won the super bowl last year. So the three more wins Philly had were just their typical tease ending in familiar territory
Haha
Now it’s PROBABLY, before you were certain, knock yourself out
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
Well, just some quick numbers…
- 7 guys went on the IR last season. 3 were starters.
- 12 starters missed at least one game.
- 7 starters missed at least 4 games.
I’ll list them all, but let’s see what you got…
I have a feeling you're right.
The number of your injuries was probably greater, maybe it’s not even close. But it would be hard to convince me they were more significant, because you know as well as I do this defensive line, secondary, and running game is looking a lot more like 2008 than 2009.
***FREE FreeBradshaw!***
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
"We’re going to hit the quarterback as many times as possible, and if he doesn’t make it through the game, then that’s unfortunate for him."
-Barry Cofield
by tito (eight and oh) on Nov 1, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
And it was last year
Doc Brown said no more use of the time machine to change sports results
This
number of injuries? Maybe
Number of injuries putting people out? Most likely.
Lots of the injuries were performance sapping, than out for x amount of games
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
couldn't care less about the injuries
But the oft leveled criticism of Eagles this year is their pass rush
What I’m hearing
They can’t generate a pass rush without bringing blitzers. This leaves corners and other cover guys very exposed as tacklers as well as straight cover guys.
Is this what you are seeing? Have they started getting a better pass rush with just 4?
Pass rush has been good at times, not so good other times. Tennessee did a great job against the Philly pass rush when Kenny Britt ran amok last week, but I wouldn’t go as far as to say it’s been a major recurring problem the entire season.
They have a good OL
I don’t recall us getting much pressure on Young either. Our defense still played well that game though, we lost because of BAD turnovers, penalties and scummy titans players cheap shotting our guys.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Nov 2, 2010 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
They’ve won the last 4 matchups
Agh man you had to go there…. I can’t wait to play Philly we owe you guys, I prefer playing Kolb, Vick scares me, always making somthing out of nothing with his legs.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 1, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Just can't agree with this
The Eagles defense isn’t that scary, but Maclin and Jackson have an extra year under their belts and they have a running game. I know the Giants have been better about big play receivers this year but Calvin Johnson still burned them and my nightmares of Jackson from last year will not go away.
I don’t fear the Eagles, but don’t see them as a team I’d really wanna play.
We just need
to split with them, Washington won’t be able to run on the Giants, will be one dimensional.
Then it’s how ’bout them Cowboys, if we play well, should go 5-1 in the division.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Nov 1, 2010 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb is a athletic with a strong arm...
but as a field general, he’s terrible… check out his 2-5minute drill record. He just can’t do it. but this demoralizing to say the least.
It could very well be the Giants/Eagles are the NFC’s best, it this QB comdo plan works out – it’s still evolving.
I guess the Cowgirls will be drafting high in next year draft
they probably will draft a cornerback because they really need one and because there isn’t any great lt coming out next year………….and also looking for a new head coach too
I had this thought last night as well
We want them to win a few games, don’t want them drafting anyone that good.
I drove to work today...
So I had the opportunity to listen to the DC sports talk radio stations. The fans are now starting to come to the realization that the Skins are not a very good football team (How is your prediction looking now RV?). One caller had to point out to the radio hosts that the Skins have been outgained in every single game this year. As for the Grossman for McNabb move, they are refering to the HC as Mike Zornahan. Very entertaining radio to say the least
"Winning is the most important thing in my life, after breathing. Breathing first, winning next."
Isn't it great?
One of the few weeks when I don’t mind that they replace Mike and Mike with the Monday Morning Quarterback show.
I'm SO disappointed that I metro to work
right now I would love to be listening to those guys. It almost (key word: almost) makes me miss law school, where I got to drive and listen to Redskins fans bitch on the radio.
2009 Did Not Happen
Cowboys
The only thing stopping me from fully enjoying the Cowboys implosion is the fact that this means Wade will probably be replaced by someone who can actually coach and the Cowboys could end up with a top 5 pick in next year’s draft.
JJ's lust for the big play glamor team and milquetoast compliant coach have hamstrung the Boys
Till they get a strong coach, and JJ decides to rebuild their trenches, they will be a soft mistake prone team
Romo got hurt, OK, so why did their D shy off contact over and over and over
some of course is disarray, but it’s also cause they know the GM is the owner and he thinks they are all great choices
I couldn’t be happier about this.
Don't Worry Jerry Jones is still the GM
Jerry will take the new coaches cojones and put them on his desk than tell him who his OC and DC is and what players Jerry thinks they need. Oh and don’t worry about speaking to the team after the game Jerry will handle that.
by Late for Dinner on Nov 1, 2010 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
they'll draft a WR
no worries
Last night, a comedian died in New York. Somebody knows why. Somebody knows
I was thinking the same thing
I know you take it one year at a time, and this couldn’t have happened to a better team. But if Dallas actually gets a competant coach next year, they can be very very dangerous.
I nominate Wade Phillips as Dallas coach for life!!!!
by g2e on Nov 2, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
seems to me
that everytime a coach calls out McNabb he responds fairly strongly. Reid did it to him in recent years and without looking up stats I believe the end result was a more effective Donovan.
Just wondering if this wasn’t rolling thru Shanny’s mind when he decided to pull that trigger.
Mcnabb is used to not getting enough respect.
He will not let this episode ruin his season. Don’t forget the Skins have already won as many games as most of the pundits thought they would win all year even if their team stats aren’t good. The most important numbers are the ones on the scoreboard.
Shanahan is a proven winner. He must have had a clue as to what he was doing. Do you think he really thinks Grossman is better than Donovan? I don’t see Philly or Washington ever being an easy foe. The NFC East is the SEC of the NFL.
by giant fan since 57 on Nov 1, 2010 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
I care how bad McNabb is playing
Wrecks Grossman sucks, no way do put Grossman in the game in the last quater and expect somthing positive. Now I am questioning Shanahan as a coach.
Please, continue to tell us exactly how you feel...
In addition to the fact that Grossman stinks, McNabb is a six-time Pro Bowler…
What do they call them…literary gems? I like it…a lot.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
One thing we have to do on both sides of the ball against the Eagles
Our WRs need to be able to change their routes when the Philly defense blitzes. They have to know when they are the hot route or we will have a lot of trouble offensively since the Philly D blitzes a ton.
Our defensive line HAS to get to the QB. Whether it is Vick (who we honestly owned we he was in Atlanta…he never burned us for big gains and I don’t think he ever won against us) or Kolb. Give any QB all day to throw and any defensive secondary is in trouble.
The two losses to the Eagles last year were AFTER we had no safety to speak of. Things should be different this year with Rolle, KP, and Grant back there to remind the Eagles WRs why they shouldn’t try to cut across the middle to catch a pass.
In trying to scramble out of a hole, it sometimes digs it deeper. ~Wellington Mara
I always root for the defense. ~Wellington Mara
Don't count out the skins yet
I dont think the end of that game told any body something we didnt already know about McNabb. He has never been good at the end of games, he had already thrown an int the play before, and I’d take ANYONE over McNabb in crunchtime. That doesnt mean they’re gonna be an easy out. They’re still gonna play us tough for 4 qtrs and its possible we split with them.
I’m still afraid of the Seagle WR corp. Our secondary is much better and Desean is still hurt for now. Dont know if he’ll be back by Nov 21 but they still have Maclin, Avant, & Celek who are dangerous playmakers downfield. And don’t forget about McCoy. The one thing I’m not scared about are their LBs. We can run all over that team and that’s the only way to beat them.
Im sticking with my preseason predictions that we win the division & the skins make the wildcard.
What's worse is Shanahan blowing 'blue smoke' up the reporters butts yesterday..
What the hell was that bullcrap infested diatrabe all about???..I’ll tell that guys news conferences will never qualify for a Coors-lite commercial.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
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