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How Do The Giants Replace Mathias Kiwanuka? They Don't

I am having a tough time this morning digesting the serious neck injury New York Giants defensive end Mathias Kiwanuka was diagnosed with Friday afternoon.

Friday morning I was listening to a cheerful, upbeat Kiwanuka on WFAN with Boomer & Carton. He was giving traffic reports as he drove to the Timex Performance Center for practice, defending Tom Coughlin and talking optimistically about the rest of the Giants season.

Today, Kiwanuka has a bulging cervical disc and is out of the Giants lineup indefinitely.

This is a huge blow to the Giants defense -- a revamped group that has played well in two of three games thus far.

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I believe Kiwanuka (a team-leading four sacks, plus 11 tackles) has been that group's best player through three games. We can argue about that, but I would rather we didn't. Best or not, what I do not believe is arguable is that Kiwanuka has become the most important player on Perry Fewell's defense.

Technically, he isn't even a starter -- though head coach Tom Coughlin says the Giants have 15 defensive starters. When you think about it, though, everything the Giants do on defense revolves around Kiwanuka's ability -- and willingness -- to play just about anywhere.

Defensive end? He can play either side and be a force. He has played more downs that Osi Umenyiora thus far.

Passing situations? Kiwanuka goes inside to defensive tackle, along with Justin Tuck, and gives the Giants the ability to rush four defensive ends.

Running downs? Kiwanuka plays outside linebacker, bulking up the Giants run defense, giving them a blitzer off the edge and an athlete capable of adequately defending the pass if needed.

How do the Giants do all of those things -- the heavy package, the four defensive ends -- without him?

Coughlin is wondering the same thing.

"Obviously, Kiwi is a big part of our plans. He's had a very good season. He's very flexible. He's a versatile athlete who can be used in a lot of different ways," Coughlin said. "So now we have to regroup and try to figure out how we're going to utilize our personnel for this game."

Jason Pierre-Paul, the No. 1 pick from South Florida, will likely get more snaps to rest Tuck and Umenyiora. Maybe Dave Tollefson gets some of those, as well. We know JPP is an incredible athlete and he has flashed his potential at times -- but at this point he is nowhere near as accomplished or dependable as Kiwanuka.

The four defensive end stuff? Again, likely to fall to Pierre-Paul or Tollefson. Can Pierre-Paul be effective doing it? Who knows?

What about the linebacker stuff Kiwanuka does? We actually saw Pierre-Paul make a play last week lined up as a stand-up inside linebacker, but is it fair to ask him to learn Kiwanuka's package on the outside? I don't think so. Athletically, he could do it but this is a player with very limited experience. Throw too much at him and I believe you set him back.

Tollefson? He has some linebacker experience collegiately, but he is nowhere near the athlete Kiwanuka is. Perhaps Clint Sintim can pick up some of that, if he isn't playing full-time in place of Keith Bulluck.

The Giants have no idea how long Kiwanuka will be out. Here are some details from ESPN.

Sources told ESPN.com senior NFL analyst Chris Mortensen that the tests were alarming enough that the Giants are bracing for a worst-case scenario of Kiwanuka missing two to three months and perhaps the rest of the season. However, as both sides seek different opinions, there also remains the best-case scenario that treatment, possibly through injection to calm down the disc, could allow for a return to action at some point.

One more thing. If Kiwanuka is gone for a long period of time, or the entire season, don't underestimate replacing his leadership. Yes, leadership. That, of course, has been a huge question on the Giants defensive unit and Kiwanuka has been becoming one of the emerging answers.

Listen to his WFAN interview Friday and you will hear it. Read the fabulous piece Ralph Vacchiano posted on him Friday night -- one written prior to the injury news being released -- and you will see it. Remember that when Coughlin called earlier this week for starters to move to the struggling coverage teams Kiwanuka was one of the first players to jump in and line and volunteer.

His leadership, evident in his selflessness, has been becoming more and more clear. How the Giants replace him, is most definitely unclear.

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Really sucks.

dude was just breaking out but this team has absolutely no luck. Might as well look at it like he’s done for the year, anything else will be a surprise I guess. And how effective would he be anyway?

Osi’s gonna have to step up. Maybe Sintim can do something…he has the physical skill to be the jack of all trades like Kiwi was, but can he do it? Lets see what JPP can do.

Hopefully its just a thing where he misses a few weeks then helps bring back some more life to the team.

Only good thing about this I guess is we’ll get to see what JPP and Sintim are about early, and hopefully Anvil too.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 2, 2010 10:27 AM EDT reply actions  

It reminds me of

Kenny Phillips last year, playing the best of his career then its a knee thing than he is out for the year and possibly his career is over…..Luckily KP made it back and we are a little deeper than CC brown and Rouse..

You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra

by greg a on Oct 2, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Time to find out

what the young guys can do. Between injuries and the other vagaries that have beset the Giants so far this year, I think it’s unfortunately looking like the team will either not make the playoffs or eke its way in and exit early. I wouldn’t be at all bothered if the team greatly expanded the roles of the younger players and gave them sufficient playing time to see what they can do. Lets see Petrus play instead of Seubert. Get Barden on the field for meaningful snaps. Sintim should become a starter. Get JPP and Linval out there. And even though he’s not really young, let’s find out if Shawn Andrews can cut it. In fact let’s see if he can play tackle in place of Diehl. Let Koets take over at center. Don’t worry about wins and losses. If they win, fine. If they don’t, we’ll have better position in the draft and a better idea about what our long term needs are. Frankly a little youthful enthusiasm might be just what this group needs.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Oct 2, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Scenario planning

Thinking long term here.

Kiwi is very valuable and also a FA at season’s end (not sure what labor contracts do to that situation). Osi is under contract but has lingering hip problems. That leaves JPP and Tuck ( sorry Dave) as high caliber ends for next year. Unless you put Sintim back there.

If the Giants get a medical prognosis that confirms that he does in fact have an NFL career, do the Giants make a statement and re-sign Kiwi even thought he is not playing? If you believe in this guy ( and I do) then I think the answer is yes.

by MSP Giant on Oct 2, 2010 10:38 AM EDT reply actions  

Me, too, MSP

If this is not career-threatening I choose Kiwanuka over Osi. I love Osi, but his hip and knee problems indicate a guy who is breaking down. Can’t give him a big money deal.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think that's an easy one at this point

Osi is breaking down. Kiwi is younger and is showing a lot more upside at this point.

You’re right here Ed. They don’t replace him. I think there can be no doubting that now is gut check time. You are 1-2 and you lost a top player and a leader. Everyone has to step up, I mean everyone.

I still think this game is very winable. I obviously would feel better with Kiwi in the line-up than out. Gonna be interesting.

I want more JPP and I want it now!

by Blender on Oct 2, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed, Blender

The formula is the same, and the game is there to be win.

by Ed Valentine on Oct 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gut check time is right...

And I think we learned something tonight about the guts of Osi and the rest of the D. A bunch of guys came through when they had to. Hat tip to them, and best wishes to Kiwi.

by MookieTheCat on Oct 4, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kiwi's always been a more complete DE

and Osi basically since 2007 has been largely useless. The defense didn’t miss a beat, actually got better, in 2008 and that was with Tuck and Kiwi at DE.

Osi does have his undisputed chance right now to show what he’s all about at this point in his career. But he’s defintely not as versatile as Kiwi or even JPP have shown to be.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can t help but to think about AP whenever we talk about Kiwi s injury.

As I understand it, M. jOhnson has the same problem and so what about him. Granted he isn’t a starter but he has made some good plays for us as well. This Kiwi injury really hurts though. His performance in the last three games has been superb and when you consider that fact that this guy has play in several different positions, I find it hard to think that JPP will be able to come in and compensate for Kiwi’s potentiality. This year already sucks and we are only three games in to the season. I have a feeling that it will be a long and brutal one. Hope I am wrong.

by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 2, 2010 11:09 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Maybe an irrational paranoia but...

I think this is going to have a much bigger impact than I first thought. Follow me here…Kiwi has been excellent so far this year being a semi-starter(hate that label)…that is a fact. Kiwi is the biggest threat to Osi’s starting job even though they move Kiwi around. Osi has underachieved so far due to injuries and/or a lost step. Osi had to know that Kiwi was creeping closer and closer on the depth chart. If he is performing averagely while in a bit of a “competition” then I’m thinking now that his competition is sidelined indefinitely Osi, whether consciously or subconsciously, he may feel his job is completely secure and we may see a dip in his already concerning performance.

I’m a big fan of Osi’s and I’m hoping that this incident shows him, and all the other guys, that there are no guarantees when it comes to your health and your job. It can all happen so swiftly and unexpectedly that these guys should play every down like it may be the last. You have to make you mark in this game when you have a chance because if you don’t you might not get another. Play your heart out and handle all the off-field preparation professionally.

"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)

by nywins42 on Oct 2, 2010 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Sintim could just take over in his place

other than DT, he should be able to do all the other stuff.

by mclaren_is_the_best on Oct 2, 2010 12:23 PM EDT reply actions  

As tough as it is to face with all these injuries and such, maybe we are just really close to a slight rebuilding phase. At least on the O-line and defense. I could easily see the team taking a step back, in the short term anyway. I hope not, but man they seem snake bit with injuries. Tough to watch right now. Get better guys.

by weejer on Oct 2, 2010 12:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder how many players in the past had this injury and continued to play thinking it was simply soreness

Not that anyone should….just wondering. Medical presence at games has improved a lot the last few years.

by giant fan since 57 on Oct 2, 2010 12:54 PM EDT reply actions  

I heard that the only way to get a place

in line for a spot at the rail of the Tappan Zee is to enter a lottery.
Cheer up, everyone
We’re going to beat the Bears.
We’re going to make the playoffs.
Thus spoke B.G.

by blue gonz on Oct 2, 2010 1:09 PM EDT reply actions  

Spoken like a true warrior..You can lose alot of them

..and still win the war

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Oct 2, 2010 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Silver lining?

With the injury, the Giants might be able to resign him at the end of the season. At the level that he was playing, I don’t think that they would’ve been able to afford to bring him back.

Talent wins 9 games
Dicipline wins 11games
Leadership = World Champions

by Mother Tucker on Oct 2, 2010 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Collectively we have players to replace kiwi this weekend....long term it's going to hurt

kiwi was showing to be a play maker, and more importantly, he was being used to capitalize on his athletic ability all over the front 7

we’re going to need multiple people to step up….that’s the key. But it’s not like we’re going to ask people to do TOO much. Just their jobs. If JPP or Canty have to play some DE to replace those snaps Kiwi got, than so be it. If Boley has to stay on the field….or should Sintim have to come on the field to play some snaps at OLB where Kiwi used to….than so be it. Should Linval Joseph have to take reps at DT to replace the snaps lost by Kiwi….wait for it….THAN SO BE IT. lol

Again, clearly it’s a loss….Kiwi was making plays. Stepping up and making plays mind you.

Over the course of a game, you need those plays…insted of one guy replacing Kiwi’s 4 sacks and 11 tackles….If 3 or 4 guys can pick up that slack we’ll be ok….but they will have to consistently….week in and week out pick up that slack (if Kiwi is out long term). So that’s why I think long term it could be an issue….there was a reason why Kiwi was displacing other “starters” at their respective positions. He was simply better than them in those particular situations.

"Things have to change" - Antrel Rolle
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Oct 2, 2010 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

Good point here

the pieces ARE in place, they just need to play. He’s been such a jack-of-all-trades that he’s maybe covering up for other people on the roster. No more of that now.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 2, 2010 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What I would really like to know is how many snaps each of our front 7 have taken

I want to knwo how many plays Kiwi is playing at DE, DT, LB. I think that he gets a lot fo snaps….but all over. So again, if someone else has to take on an extra 5-7 snaps per game….is that really asking too much?

I wonder if there a site for that

"Things have to change" - Antrel Rolle
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman

by andiamo708 on Oct 3, 2010 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well...Ed your exactly right on every point..

This is a tough one to overcome..they will most likely use a combination of players to fill the void Kiwi leaves,but if a team goes no huddle on them..they will be in deep yogurt…So the whole defensive unit is going to have to ratchet it up to a higher torque..They don’t have much time to figure this out since it happened so suddenly..and I also think the impact ripples down to the special teams..Can they continue to afford JPP on STs?..now that they are thin?

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Oct 2, 2010 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

But the important question

is what kind of yogurt?

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 3, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clint Sintum...

Ed I believe it was you and Pat that interviewed him during the off-season and he sounded humble, but positive and determined..He had a lousy training camp, but sometimes players only shine in real games-that-count situations..Could this be his time to prove himself?..Risky, but maybe give him the nod..He is well aware of the urgency to win..can’t afford a 1-3 start..

"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"

by Bobbiblue on Oct 2, 2010 6:19 PM EDT reply actions  

J.P.P. time to see what your worth

welcome to he NFL kid.

I hate Philadelphia so much.

by the caveman on Oct 2, 2010 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

the whole def needs to rally

you guys all said it one person doesn’t replace all the things that Kiwi was doing for us but, we do still have guys that can step in and do what they do best. They need to lean on the skill sets of what they got.

Yeah this one isn’t an easy pill to swallow but lets see what the prognosis is before we bury the body and the season with it. I for one believe this is the one position on the team that we can afford to take a hit without tragic throw in the towel and rebuild results. We all bitched about drafting JPP because we were already full at the position, well thanks to that pick we still are, maybe not as dominant as we may have been but we’re still good there.

As for the rest, I think we will now begin to see more intricate blitz packages against both the run and the pass. Perry will have to ask for more out of the “other 7” it doesn’t seem very wise to expect the same amount of pressure from the front 4 without Kiwi, this could wind up being beneficial in terms of getting everyone involved and aggressive rather than relying on a few guys to get a push.

It’s only week4, the sky is still up, it hasn’t fallen yet. I’m with Gonz on this one lets beat the Bears and then see where we stand

by Flynner on Oct 2, 2010 7:41 PM EDT reply actions  

JPP, Anvil, Clint

Its now your times to shine. Collectively. Go out and do it. Enough excuses, make us feel good about drafting you.

This is coming at a bad time with Bulluck looking like he’s out this week. Kiwi couldve slid in for Bulluck and gotten even more meaningful snaps this week. With him and Bulluck down, that means we’re down 2 LB this week. So what are we looking at? Chase starting since he’s healthy again? Or the debut of Mr. Sintim?

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 2, 2010 8:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

A revamped defense that has played well?

I love your optimism ed lol

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Oct 3, 2010 9:11 AM EDT reply actions  

It's true

until proven otherwise, Joe
Given all the attention paid to the D in the past two years, it’s not too much to expect.

by blue gonz on Oct 3, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions  

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