New York Giants Notes: Time To Talk Defense
Amazing! A couple of impressive victories and I go from reading about the end of Tom Coughlin's coaching career to seeing New York Giants and 'Super Bowl' in the same sentence.
Nice, but waaaaaaaaay to early for that stuff. I will, however, agree with New York Daily News columnist Tim Smith's assertion that it will be the defense that will make or break this team the rest of the season.
If the Giants make it to the playoffs this year, and if they can manage to win a championship, they will do it with the defense leading the way. And if they make it to the playoffs and make it to the Super Bowl, they may well point to the performances the defense had against Chicago and Houston as the turning point for this season. Like good pitching in baseball, defense dominates the playoffs and wins championships.
After back-to-back dominant defensive performances, the Giants are No. 1 in defense in the NFL. It's still early, but the defense seems to have found itself, which is going to be bad news for the rest of the NFC East.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents (looking at film of the last two games), I'd be scared ----less,"' said safety Antrel Rolle.
The Giants now have the league's No. 1 ranked defense, surrendering only 244.6 yards per game. Rolle has an explanation.
"It took time for us to understand the system and trust the roles and trust the coaches," said Rolle, who publicly criticized the team for a lack of leadership after the loss to the Colts. "I'm not saying that in a negative way, but we're all new here. We're all in this together. We really didn't know what to expect from Perry Fewell. You hear a lot of great things about him. Then the first game goes pretty well, the second game doesn't go so well and you really don't know what to expect. You can't put the blame on coaches, the coaches can only do so much. It's up to the players to play the game."
Maybe we should just change this notebook to the 'Antrel Rolle edition.' Here is another Rolle quote -- from a third publication -- discussing how this Giants team seems to be enjoying each other.
"It just doesn't consist of winning," safety Rolle said. "It consists of practice, it consists of meeting times, guys in the locker room, gelling with each other, joking with each other. Just making sure you never really work a day in your life. That's what it feels like right now. It doesn't feel like we're coming to work. It feels like we're coming here to execute something, and having a good time doing it."
Dave Tollefson was asked about the change in the Giants' fortunes from the beginning of the season, and had a great quote. It echoed Rolle's thoughts about the team atmosphere.
"Isn't that life in general?" he said. "It's the ebb and flow of a season. There was an early storm, for sure. We got our early hurricane, in hurricane season, but with the guys in this locker room we've been around too long to turn on the freak-out mode. We knew the only way we were going to fix it was out on that field, and I feel as a team, and as a group of men, we're happy. We're playing for each other and things are going well."
Defensive tackle Chris Canty said the Giants will not look past the 1-4 Detroit Lions, this weekend's opponent. He said, forget this 'trap game' stuff.
"I've been in the NFL six years and I don't know what that means," Canty said. "We give every opponent their due and we're going to enjoy the (Houston) win and then we're going to come in here (Tuesday) and get started on the Detroit Lions. They're going to present some challenges to our defense. They put 44 points on the board (vs. St. Louis Sunday)."
Canty and many of the other Giants have been giving up their normal Tuesday off day, and the results have been obvious.
"We’ve had guys that have been in on Tuesday since Day One. I mean, Eli is in here on Tuesday always and always has been. So if guys want to study with him or watch tape with him, they’re in here with him. Some of the defensive guys – you notice how the defensive backs will get together and come in. There’s a lot of that that goes on and it’s good because it’s unannounced. It’s not for anybody’s story the next day – that’s not what it’s about. It’s about guys wanting to do a better job in their profession," Coughlin said.
"Prepare, practice, work hard, focus, understand the opponent, understand what we’re asking you to do. Prioritize what needs to be done in order to be effective. Go spend extra time in the classroom, which, whenever we play someone of the nature of Houston, for example, that is someone we don’t know all that well, we stress to them that because we don’t know the opponent, you’ve got to put them under the microscope, you’ve really got to do a good job. "You’ve got to spend the extra time studying them and I feel like the evidence is pretty much there." After the last two weeks, and the way the Giants defense is currently playing, that is hard to argue with.
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I made a comment to my dad
That Perry Fewell doesn’t look like he’s going to last very long on the giants.. i think he’s going to end up a head coach somewhere if they keep this up.
What Would Matt Szczur Do?
by Hoyadestroya85 on Oct 12, 2010 11:45 AM EDT reply actions
Perhaps...
but the guy just got here….let’s keep him around for awhile. I bet he is loving being a part of the Giants organization. Remember he was with the Bills.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
His stock will go up if the go deep into the Playoffs.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Oct 12, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions
I think I read somewhere
last year that the Bills had a top five defense THRU 3 QTRS. After that they got crushed because the offense sucked so bad that they had played an entire game thru 45 minutes on ht clock.
Fewell is the real deal.
He will be here for a couple years, honing his craft and will be gone.
Hopefully he can help us notch another SB
I really hope that Fewell is finally the great Giants DC
that gets to take over as HC of the Giants and doesn’t leave.
If things keep going like this Coughlin ain’t getting fired..no way. But there’s the chance he’s had enough coaching.
Of course it could be up to Fewell too. Maybe if he and the organization get together and tell him that he’s the “coach in waiting”…then he sticks as DC until Coughlin really wants to hang em up if its not this offseason.
The timing hopefully is pretty good this time, unlike John Fox and Spags. And hopefully he doesn’t pull a Belicheck and just leave
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
^ this
amen, amen, amen.
we can hope that Coughlin chooses say another 3 years, Fewell gets ingrained into the system, takes the reins when Coughlin goes… I’m just assuming based on his age.
How many BBVers will defecate a brick if Gilbride is named the next HC?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 12, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
don't joke about that ....
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Ew man.
Just…ew.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't UN-read that...
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
haha
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Gilbride
I can’t speak for every one but my brick will be there. Don’t forget we are the team who kept Ally Sherman and let Tom Landry and Vince Lombardi go.
Thinking big picture...
….what were those “personal” reasons that led Fewell to be DC of NYG instead of his good friend Lovie Smith in Chicago?
Maybe there is already something in place where upon TC’s decision, Fewell takes over…
Would love to have some consistency at DC for more than 2 years this time.
job security and uncertain pieces
Lovie Smith is on the hot seat in Chicago, Coughlin is more secure. Also, pre-Peppers, Chicago had an old defense with no pass rush, and Urlacher was returning from injury.
Fewell: another Spags?
So let’s say that Coughlin wants to remain as HC. The team goes to the SB (I’m not afraid to predict us going all the way) . Fewell gets the offers, just like Spagnola did and he accepts. Does the team ask Coughlin to step down? Landry, Lombardi, Fox, Belichick, Spagnola—-We’re like a head coach farm. It would be nice to benefit by getting a good coach that’s in the system and not let them go on to have stellar careers somewhere else.
by PACKOWILDDOGS on Oct 12, 2010 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Coughlin has two years left on his deal
I think he’s done after this, although I may very well be wrong. Fewell takes over.
Giants finish the threepeat in Fewell’s first year.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Two years if you include this year
Next year is the last year on Coughlin’s contract.
It's chemistry....
I said it during pre season….you see a lot of those 3rd down passes being completed b/c the Secondary didn’t know what to expect from the front 7. Once they get on the same page they started clicking. For example….last week I think it was Ross. Fewell Blitzed with Ross and KP immediately identified the hot route (which was Ross’s guy) and jumped right on top of him. they completed the pass but it was snuffed out for a minimal gain.
Last year the team couldn’t do that….QB’s had time and options. When our blitzes failed it left open holes in the defense and left everyone scrambling to overcompensate.
that’s why we were awful on 3rd down last year and are getting better at it this year…..
CHEMISTRY.
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
well that goes without saying....
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Chemistry is about....
…belief in each other, about playing for each other and knowing that if you do, and you execute well, you will have the chance to step up and make big plays and shine. Believing in each other starts from the top down, believing in the system, the schemes and the support. that was noticeably absent after the 5-0 start last year. The quotes from Rolle and Tollefson are very reminiscent of the 2007 season when it took a few games to work out the kinks. It seems to me that after a bit of turbulence, the guys have fully bought into Fewell’s system now and are playing for each other.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Last Year
we had Can’t Cover and Rouse too! Just a slight upgrade this year.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 12, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
of course. Goff playing at a higher level is a huge boost as well
but it’s the familiarity of playing with one another and knowing the scheme.
You can see it in the LB Unit…when Indy was beating us silly you saw Goff getting beat around the edges by Addai on that flare pass, Boley chasing TEs from behind. We haven’t seen that since. Goff is tackling guys before they can turn the corner and tipping passes that used to go over his head.
The defensive line is also getting pressure so the corners can actually anticipate the ball….just like what Webster did vs. Johnson. Last year the corners just tried to stay close and play the reciever…now you see Cweb playing the ball, not having to chase some guy all around the field w/ his back to the ball.
The more I think about it, the more i put it on the Defensive Line. I mean even when we’re not sacking the QB, he’s still got that mental clock ticking in his head. He knows he’s gotta get rid of the ball. Sure you have those busted plays (a scramble, blown sack, etc) when all hell breaks lose, but generally we’re forcing the opposing offenses’ hand. Even if it’s their first option. It’s their first option…or else!
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Fewell to succeed Coughlin
Tom is 64 and to be an NFL head coach must be demanding. Why don’t the Giants kick TC upstairs to be VP of something like Parcells and hire Fewell as the next Giant head coach in a year or two?
by scarlet knight on Oct 12, 2010 11:59 AM EDT reply actions
love that idea.
makes sense since Coughlin doesn’t seem like a guy who can get away from football forever.
He’s a lot like Parcells in that he just knows how to spot talent (he’s a big part of the drafts and FA signings) and knows both sides of the ball really well.
Course the players can’t tune him out if he’s not on the field too.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
The age factor is why I have been saying since last year that this contract is his last...
…regardless of the outcome of the season. TC is a big family guy, and I doubt he envisions another long-term deal taking him to 67 or 68 at the age of retirement. If we win the SB this year, I think it even becomes more certain, as his legacy will be cemented and he will have little left to prove.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Goff
solidifying the Linebacker position. Where did this guy come from? We were talking about him being the weakest link on this team. but he has really turned it on as of late and I have been impressed. Is it possible the Giants actually found a young MLB who could be very good for years to come?
When Reese drafted him
he said Goff was the future starter at MLB. He was on IR most of his first season, so 2009 was really his first year.
I know there’s a few Giants fans that think for an NFL LB, you’re either a superstar in your first game ever, and if not..you’re a bust.
But Goff is in just his third year. That’s when most NFL players at any position really come into their own. Goff is really in his 2nd year actually in pads with the NYGs. So yea, JR may be right about another draft pick.
Good thing the FO has patience with these guys.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Covering their bases
Yet they drafted Dillard.
Goff was at Vandy before they were good. Means he has to be a pretty smart guy. MLB is a lot about intelligence.
best thing about Dillard is that he also played a bunch of WLB
so he’s versatile.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
They also brought in Bulluck to replace him
Goff got to keep the starting job because he is better than Sintim, so let’s not pretend with the FO drafting a MLB and bringing in a vet to play MLB that the fans were the only ones questioning Goff’s ability to man that spot.
we're talking about Dillard, bub.
of course Bulluck was brought in as insurance too.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Not insurance
Bulluck was brought in to start at MLB. Let’s not try to rewrite history.
doesn't matter
weren’t talking about Bulluck. That’s history.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Again, I like the Goff's smarts at the center of our defense...
…and it appears that he is on his way this year to demonstrating that he can be a solid signal caller in the middle for us for a long time to come.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Fuel's defense relies more on WIL
and I believe Boley is the primary signal caller… maybe Goff calls a few, but in Sunday’s game – Boley was calling a lot
"I want it all, and I want it as quickly as I can get it." - Keith Bulluck
I am not going to jump on the Goff Bandwagon....
Instead, I will agree to reserve judgement.
Look – yeah, I saw Goff make a couple of nice, aggressive moves in the Texans game where he forced the action – something he has NOT been doing.
But do you know how many tackles Goff had in the Texans game, ONE. UNO!! As the MLB!! You can say he was the “spirtual leader” or whatever ala Vince Young, but there is no way you are going to stretch a starting MLB with one tackle into a good player…
Which bring us to my point – if the DL is going to absolutely collapse and implode the other teams Offense, which has happened in the last two weeks – then miraculously, the DB’s look good, the LB’s look good – hey, winning is a great deodorant.
To me, when the other teams OL has handled our Dline ala the Colts, our LB’s and DB’s have stunk. Go figure….
My overall impression of Goff at this point is that at best, he is average. But to me, I dont think he is the solution at that position. I don’t think he forces the action enough, I don’t think he gets off blocks well enough and I think he is often confused at times, like our other LBs.
We shall see, I agree to further evaluate. To me, I hope our DL continues to mitigate our other weaknesses. But I think that Fewells refusal to even play Goff and the other LBs in the Colts game and other situations tells me that he does not have faith in them in some spots based on their abilities.
I don't remember our linebackers really playing much in the colts game...
At least not in the relavant part of the Colts game, before we were down and out.
by The Champs Are Here on Oct 12, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Goff can thank Tuck, Cofield and Canty for stealing his tackles
tough to make a tackle when the DL is already in on it. Also tough to get tackles when Foster only has 11 rushes (Tuck and Cofield had 4 apiece, Canty had 2…so that’s 10 tackles right there).
And they passed a ton.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
There were no tackles to be had. I can recall one off-tackle left play, Cofield and others beat Foster to the spot, Foster bounced outside, and Cofield forced Foster out of bounds for no gain. How often do DTs make sideline plays? Can anyone honestly recall more than 3 plays where Foster broke the line of scrimmage even somewhat clean?
LBs are no longer as relevant as they once were, just like the FB. We play a 4-3 but the SLB is lucky to get 50% of the snaps. DBs have more tackles than they did 10 years ago. I would not be surprised to rarely see 3 LBs against Detroit. They are going to throw the ball. I would expect a lot of three-safety packages.
"LBs are no longer as relevant as they once were"
Interesting….
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Hmm
LBs are important in the 3-4. Dline takes up the blockers LBs make the tackles.
Dline is important in the 4-3. And our Dline is playing at a very high level. So less plays for the LBs to make.
Completely Agree...
I was just pointing that out because at the beginning of the season me and Free were pretty vocal in our assesment that a great defensive line can make average LBs look good.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions
It can also
make average DB’s look good. Not the case with this team, was the case
with Super Bowl team in ’07. Webster, Ross (rookie), Butler and Wilson!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 12, 2010 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The LBS were pretty average on that team as well.
When Antonio Pierce is your best LB, well…you ain’t elite in that category that’s for damn sure.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll just add
In the Tampa 2 scheme, the MLB isn’t the tackling machine, that’s usually the safety (John Lynch?)
More curious that Boley isn’t getting more tackles, but I think that’s due to the use of a 3rd safety and extra DE in the OLB spot.
Goff’s problem was that he was slow to react and usually late to the play, leaving teammates in a lurch. Now he seems more instinctual, and by being in the hole, it allows everyone to play better.
That’s what I saw
Agree with everything said there.
The three safety package with Grant, Rolle, and Phillips has been quite effective, although I do feel like Boley had his best game last week.
I saw the same thing with Goff starting with the game against Chicago, I think he’s beginning to turn a corner.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a football coach, I know much more about basketball
But certain concepts are the same
Larry Bird once said, I’ve got slow feet and can’t jump, but I sure know how to funnel my man to Robert and Kevin.
It was totally true, in that abandoning the idea that he could stuff his opponent, he was an excellent defender, making his more athletic teammates shine.
If Goff, Boley and Sintim are flying around, filling the right gaps, and making RBs have to beat someone, they won’t compile stats or even look great but will have played very well.
It’s only two games, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Great analogy.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on Dude...
Don’t confuse the way Antonio Pierce played in his last year here with the way he played in 07. You are shortchanging him.
Besides being a terrific player in this prime, he WAS a leader on defense. A topic that WILL inevitably come up again if everything does not come up roses every week.
Nobody is taking anything away from Antonio Pierce
One of my all-time favorite Giants. I will always point to that screen pass in the NFC Championship Game against Green Bay (if you’re a fan of AP, you know what I’m talking about) as the most underrated play of the entire season.
But Pierce was what he was. Very intelligent, very well prepared, an excellent leader, but average at best in coverage, and average at stopping the run.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
I said the same thing
about DTs making the MLB look good.
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Yep I remember.
It was a pretty heated debate that day.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
our fortunes go with the DL...
…so long as our LBs are even adequate and aren’t yielding big plays it should be sufficient given the talent we have at other positions. This D isn’t built around the linebackers.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
just maybe
Goff is doing what the scheme calls for by not forcing the action…he is to make sure the D is lined up right and make the adjustments!!!its hard to make tackles when)‘s don’t make it beyond the LS…our D does not allow for our mlb to just scrape and tackle..b/c ou dl is that good…now a wk prior he had 10 tackles against the bears..5-6 against the titans…so I agree he may not be dominant in the fans eyes,he may however be doing exactly what the coaches want him to do…no team has run against our base D…and I don’t see anyteam having much success. As long as we stay healthy & the O does its job !
Regroup refocus..retool...
by Mr.Williams on Oct 12, 2010 1:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Goff also defended a pass.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
he comes dubsrub to tell how bad the Giants are....
you are foolish to say that Goff is “average” at best, give it up, you were wrong, still are wrong, and always will be wrong. Goff is a very good MLB
Jumping into the Goff fray.
I am not sure if purely using the number of tackles a MLB tallies will give an adequate measurement of his ability. If a RB runs for 10, 20, 30 yards and then is tackled, does that give an indication as to the ability of the tackler? I do not think so. In previous blog entries, Ed and the gang have been mentioning the use of more advanced player metrics which then gives a more balanced result so one can get a better sense of a players individual performance. The latest mention of these results stated that Goff had produced one of the better grades, if you will. I would like to see more of these player metrics mentioned and maybe a little bit more info on how these metrics work and how they are obtained.
I second that.
I was very impressed with those last set of player metrics, and thought they painted a very accurate picture of the team.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Gotta love Antrel Rolle
obviously these comments are in better light then the last time he “took over” a NY Giants notes section.
But just overall…is worth that gigantic contract? I say hell yea. The guy is a menace in run stopping, I never thought he was this good at that. I just figured he was a CB who got too heavy for the position so took those ball hawking skills back there. But he’s excellent all around.
Winning cures all...even stupid
His run d
has surprised me also. His reputation was a ball hawk. A ball hawk who can lay the wood is fine by me.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Rooney Rule
Clearly Fewell is deserving of another shot at a head coach position and because of the Rooney Rule, he may be a very hot commodity at the end of the season.
Make no mistake, however: Fewell is the real deal. He is simply a very solid coach. We saw it with the Bills, we’re now seeing it with the Gmen. Hopefully the front office can figure out a way to hang on to him.
I hope he does what Spags did
and regardless of what happens, he just says he’s not going to take a job as a HC and sticks with us for at least another year.
Of course its different, Fewell has HC experience already and probably wanted to do that again even this year.
I hope he realizes that the job openings are gonna be with organizations like the Bills, Jaguars or even the Panthers and Cowporkers.
Maybe he sees it in his best interest to remain a NYG and take over here when the time is up for Cough?
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know about
wanting a shot this year.
He would have taken Buffalo job if given and I think they would have been better for it but…..I think he will use this opportunity to write his meal ticket for his next job.
I mean, let’s be honest, how many head coaching jobs are there in the NFL with the pedigree that is associated with a successful DC than the Giants?
This is huge for him and paying dividends for us at this point as well.
Two year extension for Coughlin with the unwritten acknowledgment that he is the next HC
He wasn't given a real shot at getting the Buffalo job
The ownership there is completely messed up and he was brought in for a farce of an interview AFTER they’d already decided on a new coach.
You’d think he’d be ecstatic to take over the HC job of a solid team. Any other teams with open head coaching jobs would be the ones with rampant dysfunction. This would be a golden opportunity for fewell.
If Fewell goes
I would take Fox back in a second. If he’s willing to not be HC.
There are never enough HC jobs to go around
Look where Fassel is now.
that's because Fassel's prevent D
is an absolute joke
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
And
also in that last season here, team completely quit on him, perception is that he is “soft” I believe.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 12, 2010 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions
He was IR'ing guys just because they didn't want to play...
it was like “coach, my cuticle hurts”….
Fassel: “better get that looked at son….in fact, take a few weeks off”
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
And we thought Payton was an awful OC
How times change.
Fassel is still respected in the league.
I said Sunday that the best thing that could have happened was the Lions putting up 44 on the Rams. I think it will definitely help prevent a letdown, because regardless of what Chris Canty says, we are more familiar with Giants history than he is.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2010 12:08 PM EDT reply actions
lions
Got robbed 1 game and cld very well have beaten both philly & GB…they are gonna be a problem this year…I think their OL will be their demise against us..but their ST are scary !
Regroup refocus..retool...
by Mr.Williams on Oct 12, 2010 1:47 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Antrelle Rolle
“If I was one of our offensive opponents (looking at film of the last two games), I’d be scared--less,”
Quickly becoming one of my favorite players.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Jim Schmiedeberg
Sometimes the throws Eli makes and the way Nicks carries the ball scare me ****-less
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2010 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Nicks is making a name for himself
Just read someone compared him to Andre Johnson and Calvin Johnson.
can't stand when Nicks holds the ball out
away from his body
A told B and B told C, "I'll meet you at the top of the coconut tree."
by Nine Inch Nails on Oct 12, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
you know who else used to hold it like that?
Plaxico if I am not mistaken, I got that though during one of the Nicks receptions
favorite quote
of the year by far. I think he will be quote factory all year, keep it up Rolle! Hope fully he will be the Giants Optimus Prime to the Lions Megatron.
nobody makes me bleed my own blood! - Eli Manning
Sig change
wattuppp
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
niceeeee
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 12, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
And how funny is it that in just two short weeks, Perry Fewell has gone from “not knowing what he is doing” to “our next head coach”
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2010 12:09 PM EDT reply actions
I'd like to be
on the record as stating he did not need to go and time would show his abilities.
This was a great pull to get him.
It's not funny at all
It was a clear lesson that the new coaches system takes weeks to be be absorbed in 2007. Who said that he didn’t know what he was doing?
by PACKOWILDDOGS on Oct 12, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Love the positive vibe!!!
It feels like it has been forever!
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 12, 2010 12:13 PM EDT reply actions
Just a quick aside
Does Tolly look like he’s been playing better this year than ever before? I’ve just seen him around the ball a lot. I know that stats aren’t exactly there, but whenever the D makes a play, he’s around.
He has always played hard
It’s why he’s on the roster. Most teams don’t keep 5 DEs. He just managed to get a couple of highlights in a row last game.
Tolly has always played solid when given the opportunity
He’s not flashy, and he has always had some pretty big names in front of him on the roster. With guys like Strahan, Tuck, Osi, and Kiwi always in front of you and now a 1st round pick added at that position it is hard for that lowly 7th round pick to shine, but I think Tolly could start on some teams in the NFL. What I like most about Tolly is his dependability. He may not have the flash of the guys in front of him, but whenever he comes in to spell guys he holds it down. Sometimes when a sub comes in the opponent targets and attacks that guy to take advantage of the weakness. Tolly has never been a guy you could do that to. I think this year you are seeing more of him because of the Kiwi injury and the fact that he is the one filling that roaming DE/LB role. He’s of course always been a force on STs.
he reminds me of
Chad Bratzke (sp)
Regroup refocus..retool...
by Mr.Williams on Oct 12, 2010 1:49 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I disagree that it is too early for fans to talk Super Bowl in October. That’s what being a fan is all about.
Besides, if Jet fans can do it every August, we should be able to do it in mid-October
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Oct 12, 2010 12:15 PM EDT reply actions
Welcome back....
to all those Giants fans that gave up on the Giants (even if you wont admit it). The first ones to jump ship are the first ones to climb back in the boat looking wet and looking foolish. Welcome back in the boat. Goff cant play MLB, fire Coughlin, trade Osi, cut Dodge, trade Bradshaw, JPP was a bad pick, this team is 8-8 at best……you all know who you are, even though you wont admit it! ha! Welcome back
oh I forgot....
add fire “Killdrive” in their, this offense is so boring and cant score with him
I'll admit that I was wondering who Coughlin's replacement would be
If they kept playing as poorly as they were. But, I never wanted to get rid of any of the players you mentioned. I still think Dodge won’t end up losing us games and will be a stud next year.
by Big Blue in tx on Oct 12, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahha!!..Well I'll admit I got sick of Osi's and Jacobs big mouths but they are doing what TC said they had to do..bring
it to the game and prove it..not to a press conference..you’d have to be an idiot to trade AB..and JPP we all knew he’d be a project and he’s coming along fine… I’d liked to have seen us get Spillers but he’s out on the prairie where the Buffalo roam..doomed..TC?..never doubted him..just nicknamed him ‘walking farts’..but he ain’t passed gas in two weeks..Now I’ve never jumped ship..You could drown doing that when your boat is on the high seas..I think drowning must suck but I can’t confirm it..because every fucker I asked about it…drowned..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Adaptation
Most here were worried about Fewell’s zone scheme, since zone failed for us in the recent past. But BigBlue777 made a great observation yesterday – the CBs are playing up close to the line a lot, running with the WRs. It’s not bump-and-run, but it is tighter than regular zone (like Houston’s). On Webster’s interception yesterday, it was basically man coverage. Yet TT got a pick last week in pure zone.
I think this is very key
I was really unhappy with Fewell and his system after the first two games. Even with the turnovers in the Carolna game I felt watching it those were more due to Carolina’s weaknesses than a strength of the defensive scheme. The defense we ran against the Bears and Texans didn’t really look like the same system being run those first two games. The players are saying the right things about needing to believe in the coach and buy into the system, but a part of this equation was Fewell believing in his players and buying into their strengths. That willingness to adapt and maximize the tools he has really forced me to change my opinion on Perry Fewell. Adaptation is the opposite of what we got last year.
We better resign Cofield soon
Before he becomes recognized as an $8 mil/yr player.
cofield
and canty are the most improved this year. they are pushing the pocket forward, which lines up with Osi’s up the field run… thats unreported, because osi is basically doing the same thing he always does. last year, because the QB could step up, he took himself out of the play. this year, they are focusing on pushign the middle which forces qb back into osi and tuck meet at the qb strategy… its working so far
by section_112 on Oct 12, 2010 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
good point
Plus, I think Osi is healthier and quicker this year
also the blitz packages
are focusing on the middle, JPP has been a force since kiwi was out, and they have found something with his up the middle line up as LB blitz
The A gap blitz
was the bread and butter of Spags system.
I am impressed with Canty, Benard and Coefield.
When I saw Benard ake the goal line talk in preseason agianst the Patriots(?) I knew that there no need to worry about him. The guy is a straight up warrior. Coefield has been playing some good defense as well.
I think that Osi’s resurgence in the past several games is due in large part to Fewell knowing how to use him. I won’t sit here and pretend to know Defensive strategy like that but I can say the Osi plays like the restrictions the were placed on him when Sheridan was DC have been lifted compelling me to infer that Fewell knows how to use the talent he has.
Our secondary has done a splendid job in shutting down the pass in the last two games and have looked fairly decent in the two games three games prior. Sintim and Wilkinson, JPP have also answered the call when their numbers came up. Not really worried about the D and if they stay healthy and motivated, we will go far this year. Just hope all of the priase and credit they are getting dosen’t go to their heads and cause them to start slacking.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 12, 2010 12:35 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
most of us wouldn't consider Bernard a "warrior" based on one play in the preseason...
…as his body of work from last season speaks much louder. But yes, he is playing improved football, and may end up giving us some value for that massive contract he received. Playing well on the defensive side of the ball is also contagious, and there are plenty of big plays to go around for everyone.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernard was busted up all last year
Hard to get a good judgement based on that.
he was a waste of space last year when he was healthy
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
15 games played
was only scratched for week 14 against the eagles. 22 total tackles. He saw more snaps in the beginning of the year before getting nicked up, but registered one tackle for each of the first four weeks of the season. He ended up out of the rotation, and deservedly so.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Bernard had the same injury as Tuck
torn a peck in the offseason. Yes, he’s an idiot…but Tuck was obviously 1/2 a Tuck with the injury, so Rocky was half a rock with his
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 12, 2010 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I've been impressed with all of our guys..they have shown the ability to
Step up and fill voids left by guys like Kiwi going down, the normal nicks and bruises..and of course Bernard with that toe ‘hard-on’ thing..They are becoming a scary defense..One we are accustomed to..I’m still doing the ‘Cofield Shuffle’..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
go on and say it...
Step up and fill voids
say it…
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 12, 2010 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Haha!!..Oh okay I'll say it: Step up and make big plays!!!!"
Happy now???..lol
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Defense we simply has it!!!
the lions need to be focused on but really i just want the giants to get out of that game with out any huge injuries and win
refocus and get ready for dallas. BEAT DALLAS AND CRUSH THEIR HOPES…BURY THEM!!!!!!
I hate Philadelphia so much.
It is really amazing how many people hate the Cowboys
We hear this week after week. From the Houston fans you can see an in-state rivalry, but the Lions’ fans can’t stand them either. And no one here hates the Jets or Bills like the Texans’ fans hate Dallas.
Well that feeling came about along time ago..When the media bozos annointed them "Americas Team"...
Here you have diehard fans all over the league with their own teams reading that basically thier teams suck and Dallas represents “America”…Who wouldn’t get pissed?…I view the Cowboys as just another team we have to beat during our march to the tournament…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
It actually
was the creation by NFL Films, the Sabol boys!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Bobbi I call bullshit
You hate the Cowboys, they are not just another team to you. They are the hated and bitter mortal enemy.
Hahaha!!!..Okay I concede...lol!!
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
You better...
I couldn’t even type that without my hands cramping into crippled claws.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
This doesn't surprise me.....
Like I said before, they were 8-8 with the worst D in the league last year. I expected them to be top 5 preseason, and I still think they’ll end up a top 5 D. This blog was starting to irritate me with all the Coughlin talk after week 3, and still is with all the Coughlin talk. We should be so lucky to have him for another 3 years. Lay off coaching talk. Period. Enjoy the play of the Giants so far. 75% of you were ready to jump off the bridge after week 3, and reading the comments regarding sending Coughlin to the trash heap was disconcerting. Giving up on the team after week 3, was disconcerting. Maybe it’s cuz I don’t live in NY, but the only thing worse than over reacting media, is the over reacting fan. Quit listening to analysts on espn, that watch highlights only. High powered offense, and a dominating defense. This team hasn’t even hit their potential. I thought they had the highest ceiling in the league, talent wise, and I still think that. They’re not there yet. The best football is yet to come. Early season haters should be ashamed. Don’t get too high, don’t get too low. Now let’s get it done versus Detroit.
In Reese I Trust.
dude.....
not everyone is going to see eye to eye….
we don’t all share the same brain on BBV….I know it was frustrating to read some of those comments….but we don’t all feel the same way. Often times I have to just “walk away” when I see certain comments. Of course, not always
but I think that generally we’re a pretty decent bunch….who are spread out pretty evenly.
so don’t lump us all in the same category….
HOWEVER to the handful of Haters that are among us….yeah, they should probably soak some of this post up.
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
by andiamo708 on Oct 12, 2010 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you.
Second post today I’ve seen like this, third in the last two…
I’m pretty sure there have been plenty of people defending Coughlin, Eli, Goff, Osi, Manningham, etc etc even when the going got tough. Just go back and re-read the posts, it’s there.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
75%
the majority of them were wayyyy too negative. I have looked back, and saw who wrote them, and read what they wrote today. After watching the turnaround after GB and Dallas by our D in ‘07, I found it hard to read. If any team knows it takes a few weeks, for a team to gel, under a new DC, it would be us.
I know people have different opinions, and I wasn’t happy after the Colts game either, but I get more frustrated by quick trigger fans, that don’t seem to have respect for JR, Coughlin, and Gilbride. I think they do a good job for the most part, have brought us a ring, and I think that deserves more latitude. We had a passive DC last year, that didn’t exploit our defensive talents and we had injuries. JR fixed the issues (fantastically I might add), knock on wood, and we’re relatively healthy. To see them perform at this level, as an preseason optimistic Giants fan, is not shocking, is all I’m saying. In Reese I Trust.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Oct 12, 2010 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions
even if it was 99%....
that doesn’t mean it was everyone.
trust me, I been going to bat for Osi, Jacobs, and Barden like it’s my job….literally almost like I get paid by these guys to do so….but no….just dedication.
You are a smart dude 44….quite honestly, you have the right to gloat a little bit right now.
But it’s not going to be that well received when you make it sound like it was you vs. all of BBV.
Ya dig?
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Well hopefully,
the Gmen can keep this going, so we can both read more from the ‘compliment’ section. Can’t wait to see this Giants D all over the Lions. Let’s see how long they can keep this #1 status.
In Reese I Trust.
by Give it to 44. on Oct 12, 2010 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions
here here....
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Need a hand?

There you go!
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Im with you Give it to 44
It was frustrating me too reading posts on this webpage after week 3. And it is frustrating reading it now, seeing how all these fans just jump back on board acting like they have been positive the whole time
No reason
for a diatribe or lecture, with all due respect. What we saw last season sucked, plain english!
After a 1-2 start and two more debacles, fans had a right too be very frustrated and rightfully so.
Nothing wrong with fans having a passion for this team, doesn’t mean everybody agrees,
and most Giants fans don’t give a crap what ESPN says!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 12, 2010 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Analysts suck
If I’m doing that for a living, I’m taping and watching every game. I can’t believe how often I see that Tennessee steamrolled us. We clearly outplayed them. Just stupid turnovers.
Injuries
I just hope the G-men can get healthier or at the very least not more banged up than they are already. Of course after what happened to the Packer on Sunday I guess I should counting our blessings.
Shawn Andrews
Tell me about this guy. I have tried to watch and he never seems to get beat….will he get more time soon?
Valid question, but I ask you..
What have you seen out of the offensive line as a whole in the last two weeks that makes you believe a change needs to be made? We did go against arguably the #1, and #2 DEs in the league in those games, and Eli made it out fairly un-scathed.
"If I was one of our offensive opponents, I’d be scared shitless"
-Antrel Rolle
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
If we win the SB this year
I can see Coughlin leaving and handing over the keys to Perry Fewell. If Spags would’ve stayed we would’ve won the SB, and he would’ve been our HC today.
Shawn Andrews
This is what I posted on Tuesday>>Tell me about this guy. I have tried to watch and he never seems to get beat….will he get more time soon?
and in response to …“Valid question, but I ask you.. What have you seen out of the offensive line as a whole in the last two weeks that makes you believe a change needs to be made?”
I quote today’s ratings>>>
Well, PFF disagrees. Their analysis left Diehl with a team-worst -5.0 grade, faulting him for five pressures and two hits on Manning. Diehl, by the way, now has a -16.5 grade for the season. The only tackle in the league with a worse mark is San Diego’s Brandyn Dombrowski, who is at -19.2.
•Judging from PFF, it’s a wonder the offense got anything done at all. Center Adam Koets was marked at -3.1 and even Pro Bowl guard Chris Snee came in at -2.5 after allowing three pressures.

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