'Kudos & Wet Willies,' Winning Streak Edition
Wow! It's a winning streak. Two victories in a row for the first time since the Giants started the 2009 season 5-0.
So much to feel good about today, including the fact that the Dallas Cowboys lost to the Tennessee Titans. Let's get on with the 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'
Kudos to ...
- Giants fans in Houston: Giants fans stepped up in a big way Sunday at Reliant Stadium, and I suspect many of those Big Blue faithful in attendance are folks who visit Big Blue View. Hats off to you guys for representing the Giants. Oh, and congrats to Jim and Co. for running what I heard was a great 'meetup' in Houston Saturday night.
- Hakeem Nicks: The second-year wide receiver had a tremendous night with 12 catches for 130 yards and two touchdowns. Could have been even better, though, if he had not dropped what would have been a 51-yard touchdown pass and stepped out of bounds at the one-yard line when he could have scored with a little bit of a lean. Still, great performance.
- Defensive line: Three sacks, four passes batted down, seven hits on Houston quarterback Matt Schaub and a huge part in holding Arian Foster to a piddling 25 yards on 11 carries. I will single out some individuals, but it's safe to say no one in this group played poorly.
- Osi Umenyiora: Two sacks and two forced fumbles for Osi. I have had my issues with Osi, but when he gets the corner on an offensive tackle and heads for the quarterback he is as dangerous as any defensive end in the game.
- Justin Tuck: Six tackles, a sack and a nice drop actually dropping out of the pass rush and into coverage on a couple of zone blitzes.
- Corey Webster, Antrel Rolle and Terrell Thomas: Webster got the first-quarter interception that helped the Giants establish a big early lead. I though all three of these guys played well, and Rolle deserves particular mention for his run support.
- David Diehl: We have been killing the guy for most of the past two seasons, so we have to give him credit today. How many times did you hear Mario Williams name Sunday? Not many, and he was hardly ever anywhere near Eli Manning. In the first quarter Diehl did a great job getting out in front of Hakeem Nicks on a wide receiver screen, and also absolutely pancaked Williams trying to come off the edge and get to Eli. Really, I thought the offensive line was excellent as a group, but Diehl deserved to be singled out.
- Brandon Jacobs: Ten carries, 41 yards, one touchdown and lots of hard, straight-up-the-field with no messing around running from Jacobs. That's what we want to see from the big man, and what the Giants need.
- Jason Pierre-Paul: An innocent-looking stat line of two tackles and one pass deflected, but JPP's physical presence was undeniably felt. Both of those tackles came on special teams when he simply blew down the middle of the field on kickoffs and made plays. As a pass-rushing defensive end he did pressure Matt Schaub a couple of times. The guy is a physical monster and you have to think his role is going to increase as the season progresses.
- Chase Blackburn: For being in the right place at the right time and recovering Darius Reynaud's muffed punt.
- Ramses Barden: Only one catch for eight yards. 'Kudos' to Barden, though, simply for working his way back past Victor Cruz on the roster and getting himself a uniform -- and playing time -- on Sunday.
- Tom Quinn: I am not a Quinn fan, but the kickoff and punt coverage was much better this week and there were a couple of hints of opportunities on both kickoff and punt returns. Plus, the decision to replace holder Matt Dodge with veteran Sage Rosenfels was a smart one, as well.
- Kevin Gilbride: I have not actually gone in and read the comments from any of you in the Game Thread, but I'm sure some of you found stuff in Gilbride's play-calling to complain about. If you did, you're nuts. Great mix of run and pass, deep shots, screens to wide receivers, backs and tight ends. If you are complaining about Gilbride, other than to ask why he isn't this good every week, then you are just making up phantom stuff to be unhappy about.
- Tom Coughlin: Gotta give it up for the Giants head coach. Does this look -- or sound -- like a football team the head coach has 'lost'? Hardly. This looks like a football team that is getting better, and that is buying into the message Coughlin is preaching. Only time will tell how this season will turn out, but you have to feel much better than you did a couple of weeks ago. And you have to give Coughlin some credit for getting this ship pointed back in the right direction.
A reader sent in this photo from 'Wet Willie's' in Savannah, Ga. Thought you would
get a kick out of it before we moved on to this week's 'Willies.'
Wet Willies to ...
- Brian Jackson: Seeing his first action as a professional, the rookie defensive back got in on three special teams tackles. He had a pair of penalties, though, one for a horse-collar tackles and the other a foolish block in the back.
- Adam Koets: Couple of bad shotgun snaps from Koets this week, and a silly leg-whip penalty.
- Darius Reynaud: Some improvement returning the ball this week, when he remembered to catch it first. Blackburn bailed him out big-time by recovering the punt he muffed at the Giants 15-yard line.
Kwillie to ...
- Eli Manning: Eli did a lot of great things Sunday, and would have ended up with close to 350 yards passing if Nicks had not dropped that sure touchdown pass. But, what the heck was he doing in the third quarter? It sure looked like he was bored with an easy victory, and was trying to keep Houston in the game. An awful throw when he was scrambling and should have just thrown the ball away led to one interception. Then, a terrible decision when he could clearly see the double coverage that led to another pick. He went 27-for-42 for 297 yards and three touchdowns, but both interceptions were on throws that were completely unnecessary.
- Matt Dodge: Four punts for an average of 49.3 yards per kick. Still not enough hang time on a couple of those boots, but the rookie punter from East Carolina did look a little better this week.
311 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Great game
I agree gotta be happy with a winning streak but it would of felt much better if the 49ers and packers won today. Hey atleast the cowboys lost
Meet the Mess! Meet the Mess! Step right up and greet the Mess!
by SmellyHam on Oct 11, 2010 6:21 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
total domination
From beginning to end they never stopped and played their best game of year. I know a lot of people say why did we continue to pass the ball with such a big lead. The answer is simple their was way too much time left in the game to get away from our gameplan
by g-men_fan on Oct 11, 2010 6:32 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
and remember
This is the same team that came back from 17 against the skins in the 4th so even though Eli had 2 picks we still did the right thing by sticking to our gameplan
by g-men_fan on Oct 11, 2010 6:38 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
You know the game was dominant....
When Diehl gets a kudo.
It's a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit...aaaaaand, it’s about time. --Vin Scully, The Simpsons.
by MookieTheCat on Oct 11, 2010 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
Even though at the time I was like WTF is Eli doing? Just keep doing what was working earlier in the game
Meet the Mess! Meet the Mess! Step right up and greet the Mess!
by SmellyHam on Oct 11, 2010 6:44 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Interceptions
are definitely on Eli this week. Hopefully he’s getting these mistakes out his system early, for a mistake free run to the SB.
by ScottishGiant on Oct 11, 2010 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes they was errant throws however that was what was working sometimes you have to take bad with the good
by g-men_fan on Oct 11, 2010 6:48 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
You're being a little hard on Dodge
Not enough hang time? He had nearly a 50 yard average, and more importantly no shanks or line-drives…if we got 11 more weeks of this, I can’t imagine too many Giants fans would be complaining. (Other than the whole absence of playoffs implied by only 11 weeks, I guess)
Dodge
Couple of those kicks were line drives. Maybe I am being hard on him, I know there was improvement there.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Dodge may turn into an NFL punter
He has the leg
Question is – will he cost the Giants a game or two getting there?
I vote patience. For as long as possible
Ditto,
the guy has huge potential. HE IS A ROOKIE! Just accept that the guy is going to blow some punts. We got people on this list who even complain when he booms one: “He’s out kicking his coverage.” Gosh, what a nice problem to have. I loved Feagles, but he could not hit deep ones like Dodge. Feagles was not the guy I wanted out there when they were punting from their own ten. Dodge is. Let’s just see if he can get his hang time up.
by Maryland Fan on Oct 11, 2010 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep
“Wet Willie” to punt return team, 5 ST penalties for blocking in the back or holding.
Two on our newest member of the roster, Brian Jackson, son you have to do better than that.
A semi wet willie, anytime Eli runs, it’s comical, like that 3 yard run.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
One more thing...
Since Manningham is now in the witness protection program, how about letting him return some punts, Reynaud sucks!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
+1000
Reynaud is a waste of a Roster Spot, now the guy is fumbling, I mean DJ whatever his name can give us this, why is Reynaud active?
by Late for Dinner on Oct 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Wet Willie
for Eli for not running when he had about 20 yards of open field and an easy first down.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
funny
our boy has a SERIOUS aversion to running!
He had tons of space, ran like 3 steps across the line and sort of CRUMPLED to the ground… on the bright side maybe that’s one of the reasons he’s been able to stay off the injured list
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
I’d rather have Eli earning his $97 mill in the pocket than risking it running around in the middle of the field.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
The guy
is not an athlete, give him this much knows his limitations, still funny though.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Eli is not an athlete?
Sure he’s no Mike Vick, but last time I checked the NFL employees over 1700 of the best athletes in the world. Yea Eli is a slow QB, he’s still likely faster than 90 percent of this community.
It's like when you say an actress or model is ugly
no, they’re all pretty, but you’re putting them into the context of their peers.
“She’s not that pretty — for a MODEL”
Eli is no athlete — for an NFL QB…
Not that it matters, Simms the immobile and Hostetler the greased lighting both won it… now Eli has as well so in NYG history it’s pocket-passers 2, scramblers 1
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions
Like the analogy
Big ups!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
He probably gets about 8 yards then flops to the ground
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
i get scared when he runs
he opens himself up to big hits and why doesn’t he know how to slide like a normal qb. I never want to see him run. I’d prefer he threw it away to running any day.
Maybe hard on Dodge?
thats like saying you maybe hard on Osi haha
no line drives?
one of his punts never left the TV screen. It was a low line drive. I believe it was his first punt.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Eli scared me yesterday.
Those interceptions could have been
disastrous. g_fan is right in that this team came back and beat the Redskins in the 4th Qtr of that game so my concern was justified.
Our Defense is really playing well. I am glad to see Osi justifying my coming to his defense when he was getting ripped Tiki style. That knee dosen’t seem to be that much of a problem. Nicks is really coming out. I was skeptical about him with the toe issue that he was having of late but he has really impressed me. I wonder whats going on with Manningham. I’d like to see him more. Jacobs looked goos as well. Great performance overall though.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2010 6:52 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Nothing wrong with Ham
We ran alot of two receiver sets this game. And Hakeem and Smith were getting open all over the field. I do think Ham should have gotten a WR screen or two. The WR screen has been working very well for us.
HAM will get his
In the grand scheme of things, Nicks is gonna have to be doubled sooner rather then later. And that’ll open up stuff for Smith (who I think’s still on pace for about 90 catches anyway) and HAM.
I bet that concussion was more serious then made out to be and he’s still a little stugats. They could just be saving him to torch the Cowporkers again.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions
Stugats! LOL
I don’t think you’re using that in the right context Free . . . Do you know what it means in italian?
I am Italian...
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I was having a go at Nicks
for going out of bounds at the 1. He didn’t actually even need to extend his arms, just lean a lttle more. Still, he’s still learning and is already a monster so it all bodes well!
I think that was ball protection being drilled into him
But the announcers were right, the correct move is to dive, not reach
He probably did the right thing
but he could have got in there I reckon. Should have had 4 touchdowns really. The guy is fast becoming an incredible weapon.
by ScottishGiant on Oct 11, 2010 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions
And risk injury?
No, Nicks did the right thing.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2010 8:39 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
after the game, nicks said
that he was try to get B Jacobs the TD and that’s why he didn’t dive for the endzone
I suspect, then, that Jacobs...
…must be on Nicks’ fantasy team as well.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 11, 2010 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
he really said that?
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
I would assume
he’s making a joke, without actually having heard it.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
yes
Giants Postgame on My9 in an interview with Duke Castiglione, Duke asked did u think u were in and he said, “Honestly, …u know …I didn’t really know but I wasn’t really pressed for it cause I think I wanted our back to get in there. We had just talked two plays before that, told B Jacobs that we gonna get you in that endzone. So I didn’t get in there, I knew he was gonna get in there.”
Exact quote.
luckily they got the TD the next play
I agree that he had the shot for the TD, but I also have no problem with what he did. Injury or fumble..few things the team wants to avoid, not really worth the risk.
Shame Nicks didn’t get that TD (and he missed a potential other one too when he torched one of the Texans DBs).
He’ll get some more TDs.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions
If they voted right now...
Nicks is a shoe in for the Pro Bowl.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
If they voted right now
He’d have a case for MVP
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Koet's bad snaps
I must have missed. I was watching it off a FoxEspana feed on the net though so quality wasn’t great.
next time
watch it on atdhe.net
Good reception, in English
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 8:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
for the recommendation Simms-McConkey, I’ll check it out. I watched it through myp2p.eu which is up and down in terms of what feeds are available.
My brother, who is a Dallas fan (poor misguided fool), managed to get a perfect feed for his game last night – perfect enough to see them humiliated anyway.
by ScottishGiant on Oct 11, 2010 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Try firstrow.net
I was relegated to watching on the internet 2. There were 5 links up for the Giants game, including the one I watched in HD. Best internet game I’ve watched so far.
One more Kudo
Perry Fewell. It seemed as if he had the Giants in the right D on almost every play. Even when they blitzed they blitzed in the right spots and forced Schuab into some bad throws.
Last year this D looked unprepared and confused out there. Now they look one step ahead of the oppents playing with a purpose. Outside of the Indy Game Fewell has had a solid game plan for each oppenent.
Best performance since 2008 from this team.
+1
Fewell looks like he puts in a lot of hours studying the opposition. More important than that though, I think he is creating a bunch of schemes that allow this D to play to their strengths on every single down.
by ScottishGiant on Oct 11, 2010 7:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Being from around Buffalo
I told you’all. I used to have to watch Buffalo before DirectTV and the only thing worth wathcing was their defense.
The GMen getting him was a huge pull.
It will get better and I believe the ST will feed off the defenses success.
SNORKIS
Having watched the Bills last season do you think he has what it takes to be a Giants HC in the future?
by ScottishGiant on Oct 11, 2010 7:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Fewell's always been a 'genius' when coaching secondaries
and I still think our secondary is improving; Web is a monster but the other 2 probably were ingrained too much fail from last year.
And also while he was there in Chicago, as the actually DC in Buffalo he’s never had a front 4 like the Giants. Tollefson would be starting in Buffalo.
Also he’s made some good secondaries, but he’s never really had proven talents like the guys the Giants have
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions
+2
They even adjusted to the no huddle and audibles well. Big difference from last year and this preseason. Fewell’s influence is definitely resonating through the defense.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2010 8:48 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
We won that game cause of Fewell
He deserves the biggest Kudo of all, dissappointed that he wasn’t even mentioned. He had the perfect game plan for the Texans and now the secret is out everyone will copy what he did. NFL network had a great, but brief, breakdown of the Defensive game plan he used and it was beautiful.
by Big Blue in tx on Oct 11, 2010 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions
++++>1
Agree that Kudos go to Fewell. And I’d add that I still think it was Payton’s talent and abilty to no-huddle that made made the Giants gameplan against the Colts less than it could have been. I think Fewell took a smart, but calculated gamble, trying to keep his best setup against Payton on the field, and it just didn’t work out, but I don’t fault the idea. Also, I’m not sure that it was Fewell who had only two defensive tackles activated. It may have been more of a decision to get other bodies active “since you don’t look like you’ll be using them a lot”, and that pretty much handcuffed a lot of ability to adjust, just as having only one true TE did in the first game of the year. Anyway, I think Fewell has a clue, a pulse and a plan, which puts him three steps ahead of where we were last year.
Kudos to Andrews
He came in and played great when deihl went down not to mention playing TE as well
by g-men_fan on Oct 11, 2010 7:15 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Could turn out to be the biggest pickup of the year.
Obviously Rolle and Grant have been solid as well.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 11, 2010 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Rookie Kudos
A big mention to JPP on special teams and even Linval on a few plays at the end where he bust through. My god they both look really good. The way JPP bursts through a tackle is very impressive.
Also I have to say Mitch Petrus was so excitable on the sidelines on his own grabing AB and cheering him on. I love this guy and his attitude and heart. Sorry silly mention but its what makes the Giants great.
Dodge, well I love this kid as well i am really pulling for him.
Still think we need to keep a lid on things a lot of improvement needed especially turnover wise, Eli will cost us games if he makes stupid plays like he did and the delay of game penalties are just totally unnecessary.
"Hey baby lets go out there like a bunch of crazed dogs and have some fun"
I liked that Petrus got in the game at the end
a little reward for his attitude maybe. He had a great block in the second level on a Jacobs run that went for about 9 yards.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions
Petrus looks like an easy guy to be a fan of
I also noticed him running up and down the sideline to be the first guy to congratulate a player. I loved it. If this kid plays with equal passion it is going to be fun rooting for him. I see why they say they saw a little Richie Suebert in him. Dude’s got heart.
Exactly
the kind of big, fun Arkansas farm boy who loves the game and loves pushing people around (I’m assuming he’s a farm boy. Could have gone to Catholic school for all I know)
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL
Farmers can’t be Catholics?
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
In my neck of the woods
The farmers are mostly Catholics. My dad was a farm boy who went to Catholic school, so yeah I got a chuckle out of that comment.
Don't Catholics need sustenance?
I believe they do. :-)
"I was going to separate from this guy and make him look silly." -- Kevin Boss
Lol. In my neck of the woods
all the Catholic schools are in cities. To me, the parochial students I’ve known are usually the exact opposite of the farmers I’ve known (and growing up in Central NY, I’ve know many). Just a general statement based on who I know, not meant to offend anyone :)
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos to Tollefson and Romo, Wet Willie to SF
Tollefson again made plays on the Dline and on special teams – how does he beat all of those speed guys down the field?
Tony Romo for continuing to prove that statistics are meaningless.
How can SF not get 10-15 yards with 50 seconds left? Their pass blocking is crap. But why were they running routes far down the field?
So basically you said
football is meaningless. Nice job.
stats are meaningless
W’s are everything
by Plaxico Burress on Oct 11, 2010 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
**fantasy football is meaningless
fixed.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions
It is however fun and you can win money
But nothing trumps a victory for me. 1 request though, I would like to see a close game against the Cowboys. With Eli Mr. Clutch Manning getting us into the endzone as time expires…
+1000000000000000
my views on this have been expressed in previous in-game threads.
just win, baby.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
And the LBs
After Daniels burned us a few times, saw Boley all over him. And Goff made a few plays again. It’s hard for the LBs to look good when no one escapes the Dline.
Boley and Goff played well, very well
the Giants rush their 4 and usually take the 3rd LB out and throw in a DE and rush him so they have a lot of responsibility, especially Boley.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 7:44 AM EDT up reply actions
We have so many options on both sides of the ball.
The talent level is there. Will still be content with 10-6 but I think that we can even be better.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 11, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep, I was thinking the same thing
Goff made a beautiful play on a ball to a TE as well. They should have got some pats on the back here.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
Amazing how a few weeks ago TOm Coughlin forgot how to coach...
Tiki rips him, a couple of his old friends (and Giants LEGENDS like Parcells and Strahan) back Coughlin…then boom; D looks like 2008. Eli looks better then he ever has (with some Kerry Collins’esque boneheadedness), Nicks looks like a WR that Plaxico wishes he was and of course…they have a D- Coordinator.
Hopefully this game is a stepping stone to 2 2nd year (or 12 year veterans according to some) players, Barden and Clint Sintim.
Eventually, Nicks ain’t gonna be able to get 12 catches a game so that’ll open the game up for guys like Barden and Beckum.
And while the Giants do not need any “situational pass rushers”, its kinda nice to know they have one in Sintim. I know he’s been in the league forever, but as the season progresses he could become an important part.
Winning cures all...even stupid
Glad you and Ed mentioned TC.
What he’s doing is absolutrly remarkable.
The man can coach
And whether the players love everything about his methods, it’s obvious they know he is all about winning. And it’s obvious this team is getting better, which means he is doing a good job.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 8:30 AM EDT up reply actions
This
I don’t think anyone ever doubted Coughlin’s ability to coach a football team, but I do think there were legitimate concerns two weeks ago about whether the players had tuned him out. It happens, sometimes to very good coaches, and it seemed to be happening to Coughlin. The back-to-back games against the Colts and Titans looked like a team that had completely tuned out their coach. Much kudos to TC for doing whatever he’s done since then to get them back on track. Maybe he just reminded them that this has all happened before, and last time everyone thought he was a goner he got them to buy in and they won the Super Bowl. Whatever he did, it obviously worked, b/c this team looks as good as it’s looked in two years (yes, even better than the 5-0 team….the Bears and Texans are actually good teams, not the cupcakes we were beefing up on last year).
2009 Did Not Happen
Kudos to you for articulating the legitimate concerns of those who...
question TC’s control over the team at those times.
by LoNJDTechnology on Oct 11, 2010 9:56 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Have you noticed the last couple of games....
TC is showing some life and emotion on the sidelines, rather than looking bewildered or constipated? I think that may help as well, for sometimes one can shut down the emotion to the point where one seems to be disconnected. Good to see him being more animated, and since the animation began, he’s lost the constipated look too.
Yes, the old, "deer in the headlights" look
as I like to call it. But you’re right, he’s def more animated lately.
I remember another young WR with the drops
Name of Amani Toomer. Look how that turned out.
by ct17 on Oct 11, 2010 7:43 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Good call
forgot about that back in the day.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions
O-Line
The O-line was excellent with their pass blocking but only fair with the run blocking. Yes, Bradshaw and Jacobs ran for over 100 yards but most of it was on their own — there were very few big holes to barrel through and the runners were often tackled for a loss. Chase Blackburn was in the vicinity of every ST play and helped solidify the team’s play. Agree with your evaluation about Manning. He is often too lackadaisical and shows no sense of urgency which often result in delay of game penalties. I think he had two yesterday, plus he had to waste a time out to avoid another.
First truly complete game I've seen them play since...
Panther’s, Dec 2008. Or maybe it was when they beat the Steeler’s in NOV of that year.
Last years 5-0 always felt more like the ineptitude of the other team to me, I never saw the fire in our G-Men last year like I saw yesterday. Not to count the chickens before they’re hatched and fried, but this game was a beautiful thing to witness. Standout moment for me, when I realized this team IS a better model than last years: Schaub back near his own end zone, Giants let loose the hounds, Schaub is simply overwhelmed by white and blue, like someone finding themselves face to face with an unexpected tsunami. I think he threw the ball away, don’t remember, but the image of those Giants defenders swarming over the opposing QB with unbridled fury — mucho kudos!
I actually fell asleep during the last two of that run.
I have never done that before.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 11, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions
what happened
To your self imposed BBV exile? Now you’re on the bandwagon?
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:11 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 3 recs
ZING
rec’d
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree Z
Best game since ARZ in 08 or PITT in 08 . . . beating good oppents on the road. The Panther game of 08 was much of what we saw in 09 the D stunk they were lucky to pull that one out. I was hard on guys like Cofield, Canty, and Goff but they have been very good. iI the D can play like this the rest of the way they should make the playoffs.
Matt Dodge...
I really think he will get better as the season progresses.
Dodge did look a lot more comfortable yesterday.
It must have been a good idea to use a new holder on field goals. I know one thing. I like those high fifty yard punts.
by giant fan since 57 on Oct 11, 2010 7:57 AM EDT reply actions
I like when the backup QB is the holder
If its a bad snap I’d rather it be in Sage’s hands the a punter’s. It also makes fake punts an option. Dodge is a rookie. And all rookies are incosistant. The talent is there. We’ve all seen it. And he looks better now than in the begining of the season. It may be a long season for him but next year he can be a real weapon. I love the thought of him pinning teams close to their goal line with our D.
by Big Blue in tx on Oct 11, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions
the team has said they think he can play tackle
and if David Diehl can be a tackle…so can Shawn Andrews
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Shawn Andrews
Can also play TE. He will be blocking, sure but nothing says we can’t run or pass in that situation.
yea I remember many saying that having an OL at TE a lot doesn't make sense
cuz it telegraphs the run.
And the Giants have been doing exactly what you do to make sure it isn’t telegraphed….you pass the ball.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
No
It isn’t about telegraphing the run. It is about knowing Andrews (or any other OL playing TE) is not going to go out for a pass. The defense knows where the added blocking is and has one less guy to account for in coverage.
I say
we send him out for a pass and throw it to him.
Just to show we’re the New York f***ing Giants and we can do whatever the hell we want.
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
Do that
And I’ll take it with a big stupid smile that lasts all day!
The thing is we can still run or pass
We have basically extra protection for Eli and better blockers for our backs.
You basically said "telegraphing the run"
comprehension.
Doesn’t matter what Andrews does. What matters is the play you run from the set. If you can run a pass, a run to the opposite side, a screen..whatever, then you can have Andrews at TE.
Like they’ve done. And its worked. Boom.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Houston Meet up
Had a great time at the Fan meet up in Houston enjoyed meeting everyone! Great job to Jim for setting that up. Only had a few scares with some of those chants! (Texas Sucks!!) bout had me ducking for cover was pretty sure we were going to be visiting down town, when someone took over the PA system and started the chant G I A N T S!.Good times next time I will go to the game and brave the traffic. That game was sweet there will be plenty of crow eating going on at the office today. Again Thanks to Jim! I am sure the Texans Fans were just super nice to all at the game…. ha-ha.
Goff
OK, so he had one tackle, but Johnathan Goff has been playing solid the past few games. I thought he did well on run coverage to keep Foster and the check down passes contained.
Yes, he did
He played well, and has proven through five games that the Giants were right to have faith in him.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions
Can we please stop rhe
Who will be the next head coach of the Giants conversations. We are 3-2 and hosting Detroit at home and then the Cowboys. We have a good shot at 5-2.
by Giants56 on Oct 11, 2010 8:33 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Even if we win the SB
TC may not be the coach next year. That’s not a knock right there, that is the fact that next year is the last year of his contract. The Giants don’t do lame duck coaches. You have to wonder if at his current age if he would even want to sign on for a contract extension at this point. You have to believe retirement is a large possibility, so there is merit to the coaching conversation without it needing to be a firing conversation.
You have a point
But let’s be honest, the conversations werent if TC retires after this season or whatever. They were more like after we finish 6-10 or 7-9 who will we get to coach after TC gets axed.
And stop putting down other fans
For thinking their players are better. Sometimes we’re a bunch of pre-teen girls.
Does that also
mean we haven’t reached puberty yet, lol!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Defense...
I like what I saw from the defense and hope this will continue. So far the Colts are the only team that really beat us, we pretty much beat ourselves in the Titans game, since then the defense allowed only 3 points against the Bears which is a decent team and allowed only 10 yesterday to a team that I would consider a very potent offensive team.
Kudos to Gilbride, but not Fewell? I realize you feel the need to defend Gilbride at every turn, but Fewell’s defense destroyed what was the second best offense in terms of yards per game coming into this week. How many times did the defense set up the offense with great field position following a turnover or a stop deep in Houston’s own zone? Meanwhile, the only TD given up by the D was following another costly turnover by the offense.
Fewell’s defense, after two dominating performances, now ranks first in the NFL in terms of yards allowed per game, where’s the love?
Fewell
True, he should probably be in there. I guess I’m starting to come to expect that kind of performance from the defense.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Great Win
This defense is good the run defense is great should be ranked #1 today. You cant run on this defense except for the debacle in Indy and that was a scheme issue this defense is the real deal. Kevin Gilbride called a great game and the Giants exsposed that weak Texans secondary as they should have. Hell special teams played ok so thats something. This was a great road win for the Gmen now lets not fall into a trap with Detroit coming up. Oh yeah that was great and i mean great watching Dallas go down like that. Great day yesterday just great.
And a Wet Willie for the TV coverage...
Because I saw way too many glimpses of Hot Pink cheerleader boots at the end of plays, which kept reminding me that I should be seeing many more gratuitous shots of the cheerleaders to pass the time as the Giants clearly had the game under control in the second half.
Talk about your wasted opportunities.
I don't think Nicks drop was a sure TD...
He would have been brought down at the 5. A Pro-Bowl (next Irvin) receiver can’t drop that ball. Otherwise brillant game with down field blocking to boot.
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Oct 11, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions
To his defense
That ball was underthrown, a bit more distance and Hakeem doesn’t have to break stride.
No defense
it hit him in the gut. He didn’t even have to reach backwards. He said it himself, he took his eyes off the ball to check the safety coming.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
its a shame that Eli had to drop that right into his breadbasket
Don’t u just hate when QBs are so accurate downfield that the WRs don’t know how to adjust & make the catch.~
More answers than questions
I’ve been saying this team has questions that if it can find some answers can do well. Yesterday they found some answers.
Questions:
My boy Tolly still doesn’t get a kudos, come on man?!
Was this Reynaud guy actually a good return man at some point? I originally was happy about the pickup because I felt like we needed a return man. This guy is not a return man. He has no business being back there. He hasn’t done anything but muff stuff. DJ Ware could do that! Starting to look like a wasted trade.
When is O’Hara back? Koets at least has done better than I expected, but the flaws are starting to show. Some very ugly snaps, stupid leg whips (he committed more than he was called for), and an inability to get downfield and keep blocking. I’m glad Koets has done enough to not kill us, but I want O’Hara back.
Answers:
Bear Pascoe at FB was the spark this offense needed. That lowly FB spot doesn’t get much credit, but I think Bear is a big reason people came out of this game feeling like our offensive line is getting back on track and our passing game is improving. I also think Bearhad a lot to do with Jacobs looking like a worthwhile RB again. Unlike Hedgecock Bear was locating linebackers and blocking them out of the play. He was clearing holes and sealing edges. This vastly improved the run game which in turn helps the passing game. Adding to the passing game is unlike Hedgecock Bear is a threat to catch the ball. How often has Hedgecock roamed into the flat uncovered because they know he can’t catch or run even if he does catch it. On a big pass play to Boss early in the game Boss was open because him and Bear were running a high low and the defender had to cheat down onto Bear. Jacobs looks good running behind Bear because Bear takes out that first LB and Jacobs gets to smack that backfilling safety. Jacobs always looks better dominating a DB then trying to push through lineman and linebackers.
Fewell has learned his players. This is different than 2007. That year the players had to learn and accept the system. The system didn’t change that year, the players did. This year Fewell came in with one approach that wasn’t working well with our unit. Theplayers didn’t need to buy into the system, Fewell needed to figure out a system to use our players. You now see our DBs getting more press calls. The defense is having more pressure calls over all. Tuck is now being used on more stunts which he is great at. Fewell has earned my respect by being willing to adjust and use the tools he has to the fullest.
Diehl is fine as long as he is given help like he should be in certain situations. The Indy debacle is on Gilbride in my mind. When he was getting TE help or a RB chip Diehl did just fine with Williams. Also, we can stop calling out for Andrews. He looked worse than Diehl when put in at Tackle and needed more help. He almost fell over just try to get back pit of his stance.
Nicks has become our big play threat we needed. Why Gilbride still calls the long streak plays for Smith I have no clue. The nice trickle down affect I see coming is that Nicks should see more double coverage, which should free Smith from that allowing him to get back to being the possession monster he is.
Goff is starting to figure out coverage. Thank you for proving me wrong. Coverage is still his weak spot, but he showed major improvement and flashed some big potentially recovering down the seam to swat that ball away from Olsen.
All in all I’m starting to climb off the fence onto the confident side. I do still feel a little bit like the girl who has been cheated on who is starting to trust again. The bottle of wine and roses in Houston was nice, but these guys better not cheat on me again when Detroit comes to town.
David Diehl
I don’t want to diminish his game but he’s been getting lots of help. So kudos to the Giants coaches for recognizing that problem.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
Thanks for the thesis
LOL!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions
+1 on Fewell
You nailed it, he is setting up schemes and blitz/coverage packages where they take advantage of each of our players’ strengths. It’s refreshing that a coach can adapt a system to play to a players’ strength rather than force a player to adapt to an unnatural position. Even Sintim, albeit a little invisible, did rush the passer a couple of times.
Goff looked good on several plays, shooting the gap recognizing run and dropping into coverage.
I’m with you, starting to get confident. We just need to fix ST and the turnovers….
I dub thee
Eeyore. Lighten up dude, and have some fun! Who care if they lose to Detroit? Will it negatively affect your life besides making you feel upset for a few hours?
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
yes
I am not well-adjusted
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I gotta be honest
The Giants losing kid of ruins my week in some ways…dealing with the Eagles fans I work with, all the negativity hear on BBV for seven days. It kinda stinks.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
I'll be crucified if the Gmen lose to dallas
We need to sweep them!
by Big Blue in tx on Oct 11, 2010 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Come on man
That was a pretty positive post, where are you coming from? Losing to Detroit will irk me quite a bit. It’s a game where unlike the last two we’ll actually be favored going in. If they blow the game they should win it will be a sign this team still doesn’t have the mentality and leadership to produce a consistent season. There are games yup can lose if yup at least compete and there are games you should win. Detroit is a should win game to setup the win/loss ratio for the schedule.
You're right
for you that was positively effusive. I just found the analogy to a cheating boyfriend a tad melodramatic. I agree, it will be very disappointing to lose to Detroit, but after watching clips of how they lost and how they won, the Lions could easily be 3-2 or even 4-1. The Gmen could lose to Detroit, and it would bring all the gnashing of teeth and wailing back. I don’t think it would necessarily be a sign of anything but a very improved Detroit team, and I don’t think it would necessarily be a sign of anything to come in the future (much like the Tits game). It could be a sign, it could not be a sign, my point is that we just don’t know for certain.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
kick return
can somebody else return kicks???? reynaud is mediocre at best..
Game Thoughts
I was at the game, so I was not subject to the media slant, the replays and such so I can only comment on what I could see…
1) Goff made a couple of plays across the line of scrimmage, which was good. He seems like he is getting more aggressive like a MLB should be, he needs to force the action more. Still overall, it seems like it is our DL or our secondary making the plays.
2) I love Eli, but he made some boneheaded throws. And there were several times where he could have run down the sideline for 30yds but opted to throw it into coverage instead.
3) The DL is terrific and improving. For the life of me, I don’t understand why Linval does not get in there more often especially instead of Canty or Bernard. The few times he gets in, he is like a wrecking ball, it takes two guys to block him and he can collapse the pocket. He’s a real man mountain. He must have pissed in Coughlins wheaties or something is all i can figure. Cofield continues to play like a stud.
4) Stupid penalites on specials. I still have no idea how a pro player can just blast a guy in the back in front of the ref on a kick return then throw his hands in the air like he can’t believe they called that…. Webster was guilty, Jackson, et al…
5) Renaud is terrible. Dodge, though we can see his potential, has the potential to cost us games.
6) We were sitting right on top of the that stupid punt where first off – why the hell is Reynaud hovvering around a ball that is bouncing on the three yard line. Secondly, how can the captain of the Specials, Blackburn, touch that ball bouncing around down there? He looked like the white Leon Lett without the snow. They both should be shot. More disturbing than that, we were looking for Coughlin to pounce on the both of them after the play and give them an earfull – guess what they got, NOTHING, just a Coughlin constipated look. They got lucky it was ruled a touchback.
7) “the oline sucks”, “need two OT’s”, “we should have drafted 3 OL”, blah blah blah….. The Ol is fine. Koets is an adquate sub for Ohara and the Texans didn’t even breathe on Eli all day. Moving Andrews in as an extra tackle has helped trememdously. Are they the best in the NFL, no. But this veteran group is solid.
8) I will tell you one thing for sure, if you remember the Tiki days, our bread and butter was the Power right with Tiki purposely cutting back to the left. The Giants ran that play about 10 times yesterday, every time, the left side was WIDE open. If they ever figure out to run that play as a pure cutback ala Tiki, it will get big yards.
9) Glad to see Jacobs do something, I hope they work him in more. He flat fell down a couple of times when he had BIG yards in front of him, its almost like he is anticipating contact alot of times.
10) If Kevin Boss keeps getting hit like this, he will be done before the end of the season. He’s a hit magnet.
All in all, the team is improving. I really wish that if Giants management feels we are a contender, I still don’t see why they would not make a move to improve our Specials somehow with a returner or a kicker. Don’t be surprised if we get in a big spot and our Specials flat out cost us the game.
absolutely agree on Linval
but I don’t think the problem is that he’s done anything wrong to the coaches, its that Canty, Cofield and Bernard have played very well.
I’ve said it before, but its a wise move to keep Anvil sitting out. Injuries always happen. People always point to Plaxico in 2008, but probably a bigger reason why they didn’t at least continue their defensive dominance was cuz Cofield and Robbins were basically so banged up they should’ve been on IR (and both had microfracture surgery in the offseason).
So Anvil for 2010, is insurance. He’s good right now, but so are the starters and Rocky’s not too bad himself.
Reese has talked about Will Beatty in the "steve Smith role " from 2007, but Joseph may be that dude even tho he’s not injured.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Canty?
Canty is playing incredibly well this year. How do you think Osi / Tuck is getting to the QB all the time? The push up the middle is the answer.
I like Joseph, sure…but don’t mess with this line right now. No way.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
no doubt
just saying…injuries happen.
Hopefully its Bernard the one that gets his place taken by Anvil.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets not forget
TC hates giving rookies too much playing time. He doesn’t trust youth until they prove it and with Rocky, Barry, & Chris playing as good as they are, The Anvil won’t get that chance to prove himself.
Barry Cofield says hi
don’t forget about him, since he was drafted in 2006…started every game.
Canty’s been playing well, Cofield really always has. Joseph should be in Bernard’s spot, but there’s no need.
Again, as the season ages…the DL breaks down. You have a DT the caliber of Joseph waiting in the wings it brings some added energy.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
I should have prefaced by saying that unless u contribute on STs, u never get the chance to prove yourself. BC was our snapper on ST and he was the 1st rook in 25yrs to start every game.
This may be nickpicking but Cofield missed a game in 08.
nevermind
i was thinking Alford re: snapping.
However, I always see players who perform well in preseason and never to be heard of in the reg season, especially rookies. Perfect example, Victor Cruz
Cruz is not all that good of an example
he’ll only move up the depth chart if there’s a massive plague of injuries on the top 2-3 WRs.
Joseph can start right now. He doesn’t have to. He’s not as versatile and athletic as JPP either, so its not like they can just throw Anvil out there as a LB like JPP.
They’ll get all they can get out of Bernard. Eventually over the season…you’ll see him phased out, and Anvil phased in
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
A UDFA
Is different than a 2nd round pick. You don’t expect a UDFA to see much time. The 2nd rounder should. I’m not buying the he is just being saved bit no matter how hard Free is trying to sell it. The argument doesn’t hold water because if the guy doesn’t have experience from real game reps you are not going to want to count on him late in the year when games really matter. The reality is we have a lot of bodies on that defensive line and he right now is just at the back of the pack. I know we all want him to be a stud, but right now the other guys are just better. No need to come up with some silly far fetched reason for him not seeing game time. It’s no rush though because those other guys are still solid. Linval just needs to learn and be ready to take over Rocky’s spot next year. Potentially Coefield’s, but only if Barry wants big money that he can get elsewhere and we can’t justify matching. Right now he looks worth money though.
Much of what fueled the Jerry Reese legend
was how much of a contributing factor the rookies were during our SB run.
exactly.
and his words on William Beatty apply to Joseph too. Whether by injury or depth, its not gonna hurt them.
To get an infusion of youth and health at the end of the season is a nice shot in the arm.
Steve Smith is one, but Ahmad Bradshaw, Aaron Ross, Mike Johnson, Gerris Wilkinson, Kevin Boss.
…the formula was there before. To not see it…is delusion as 777 insists on being.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
I noticed Jacobs
do that a couple of times as well, almost running himself into the ground!
by ScottishGiant on Oct 11, 2010 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree with it all but #6
Once the Texans guy tried to save it out of the endzone it is a free play for the Giants. We can’t lose possession since they already touched it. No harm by Blackburn trying to see if he can pick up the free ball and return it for better field position.
Other than that good synopsis
by NY Football Giants on Oct 11, 2010 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Irregardless
If the punt is going to land at the 3 yard line there is NO REASON for any Giant to be within 10 yds of it!!!! Reynaud was standing nearly on top of it, the only thing that could have happened is that he could have touched it and we would be screwed.
I don’t believe for a second that Blackburn was savvy enought to think that, I think he thought the ball touched Reynaud because all the Texans players were saying that….. We were sitting 10yds from it.
You don't get it
Once the Texans touch the ball, we can pick it up and give it to them in the end zone wrapped up in a bow and it doesn’t matter – them touching the ball means it is at worst our ball where it was touched and at best, they fall asleep after the touch and we pick up significant yardage bec ause of it.
It was a head’s up play and one I hope we always are smart enough to do. One time we might break one.
thanks for the clarification
of course FOX had nothing to say on it… I was pulling my hair out. Now I know. Thanks
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow
did Blackburn hit on your wife or something? Why the hate? His fumble recovery was one of the absolute key plays of the game!
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
10) If Kevin Boss keeps getting hit like this...
…he will have a very short career in the NFL.
I didn’t see the game, but the sound of your statement makes me cringe. Did he get hung out to dry again?
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 11, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Unfortunately
I think he will have a short career, and I hate to say it, most likely KP too. I don’t recall anybody coming back from his type of surgery playing in the NFL?
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions
There's a first time for everything
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
with the blackburn play
Once the balls been touched by the kicking team, the receiving team can do whatever they want and they’ll still get the ball. Yes, even if they fumble it. This is to prevent players from the kicking team hitting the ball into receivers and calling it a fumble. So blackburn was trying to make a play, knowing that even if the ball is fumbled away, it’ll still be Giants ball. This is why coughlin didn’t say anything.
Let's Go Giants!!!!
Hakeem Nicks 2nd place "Let's Go Primetime"
What is Deion Sanders wearing? Was that three pockets stacked on one side of his huge jacket?
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Petrus
You know, my dad noticed it too. The guy that looks the MOST fired up to be playing in the NFL is Mitch Petrus. He runs everywhere, fires up everyone even though he is only a Special Teamer at this point. You can just tell, the guy has the attitude to succeed. He will be a starter for us in the future. Just watch him working out with the OL guys, he looks way more athletic too than all of them.
Petrus
was pretty hilarious running around the sideline, grabbing people and leading the cheers.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Remember
how Eli always has that few games of funk in a season?
Let’s hope last week and this week were his funk and that he’s lights out the rest of the year
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
if this game was him in a funk
…then he’s better then Peyton.
It seemed the only reason Eli’s numbers didn’t seem as efficient as they should be is they kept trying to take shots downfield. Which is a good thing even if it doesn’t hit. Teams like say…the 49ers get stagnant cuz they take 0 shots downfield.
The boneheaded plays…they’re just gonna be there. Eli tries to do too much some plays. Sometimes it works (see: Super Bowl), sometimes it doesn’t like yesterday and of course the lefty throw against Tenn.
From what I’ve seen, Eli’s better then ever. Am I the only one that sees that football coming out of his hand tighter and quicker then ever? He’s throwing DARTS this year, no wobble at all, no wounded ducks at all.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
Minus the throw off his back foot to Boss, every pass looked crisp yesterday.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
I love Eli...
But his first interception was such a duck that I could have come off my couch, traveled to Houston, broke security at Reliant, and snatched that ball.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
it was
but I’m talking about every throw he makes. He was always fairy accurate, but it seemed that in his early years ( you can see it on a lot of those throws to Plax and Toom) the football just kind of wobbles in the air.
Both INTs were bad decisions more then wounded ducks tho. Even the back foot throws are spirals now.
Overall Eli need to just stay consistent. I really don’t care if he throws an INT on a deep bomb that somehow gets picked off (many cases…its like a punt). But those short throws, he shouldn’t be trying to force the issue.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm with you...all day
Eli may make a few bad decisions but overall he is a rock. The Giants don’t lose games on Eli’s arm and I’d take Eli over anyone as “my guy”.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
His passes are much more crisp
coming out of his hand. He is also completing close to 65% of his passes. IMO the left handed titans throw and the picks yesterday, decisions like that are why Eli isnt considered elite. If he would eliminate the bonehead play he would be a top 5 QB.
As mad as I was about the picks yesterday, i really wasnt surprised. Thats why he is a B QB and not an A or A+. Still top 10 no doubt.
I dunno about that....
Peyton, Brees, Brady…they all make boneheaded plays, no one’s perfect. I guess Eli’s built up a reputation of doing things like this, but every QB does it.
I agree that he’s not top 5 (yet…), but every QB makes boneheaded mistakes. They think they can make all the plays.
I’m not really sure Eli does it more then the other guys either. He’s not top 5 basically cuz he doesn’t play in an offense that still considers itself run first and while Gilbride is not as bad many make him out to be, I still hold that he’s holding Eli bak.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Every QB has a few
I would say Eli has a few too many. That is 3 boneheaded picks in 5 games. And if we want to count the int he threw to the 5’10 Steve Smith in triple coverage that would be 4 bad picks, 8 total.
I do agree that Gilbride is holding him back a little. I would like to see him with someone like Norv Turner and better pass blocking line.
Bingo!
Although I was surprised yesterday, based on the score of the game, at that time!
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions
I've been to "Wet Willies" in Savannah...
I think it’s the place that specializes in frozen “slurpee” type beverages…spiked with grain alcohol. It’s been 10 years but I get a brain-freeze and blackout just thinking about it..great time really.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Were there any significant injuries coming out of the game???
Always key…
When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.
by Fester McDougal on Oct 11, 2010 9:38 AM EDT reply actions
great question
and i think they came out very healthy. turning the corner? would love a Kiwi update this week
Kenny came through ok
that’s very important to me. of course the headline guys like osi and tuck are playing great this year, but the “guts” of the d, the interior line and the safeties, are really the difference makers. cofield and canty are very disruptive, rolle is a great run stopper, and phillips has made some plays in the backfield, but more likely has put himself in great position to disrupt qb reads
by section_112 on Oct 11, 2010 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I know Diehl was banged up pretty bad with his hamstring
but the crazy bastard played the whole game aside from a few plays. I bet he shows up on the list, but plays.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions
Couglin
said he was cramping, if the “Goose” could give us a sideline report instead of just the
’Moose & Goose show", that would be great too. Giants.com said same thing, cramping.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Hey let's give it up for Deihl
The guy played really well yesterday.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
We broke the Texans' back...
still waiting on the MRI…
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
About Jacobs
He seems to be running lower these days. As we all know, he always ran too straight up, leaving himself exposed to big hits early in his career. But now that he’s trying to run more “downhill”, with his shoulders lower and forward, he seems to have lost all ability to bounce and break tackles. He’s leaning forward and goes down at first contact to the first contact of his lower body. I think he should get back to the old style. Except when it’s third and one or goal line. He does seem better at that stuff now that he is running lower.
He's not
what he once was, let’s just accept it. As long as runs downhill, and not try and run east and west (like inside the five yard line yesterday), he can still be productive on this team.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Gillbride
I don’t agree : early in the 3rd, being like 21 points ahead, you need to run and kill that clock. He threw, even though Eli did not get protection (Kudos to the Oline ? I don’t think Eli ever had more than 2 seconds to throw). It led to the interceptions that could have turn the game around.
Thing is
Can you be sure Eli did not change the play calls? Eli made a couple of bad throws, that’s all.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions
agree
42 pass attempts is too much in a game in hand like yesterday.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe so, but...
…42 drop backs without a sack allowed is also noteworthy.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 11, 2010 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions
BIG KUDOS....PERRY FEWELL
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Tom Quinn
I can’t agree with you on Quinn. TOOOOO many ST penalties especially on punt return.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
this.
its like blaming Gilbride for McKenzie’s personal fouls a few weeks ago. The coach can only do so much.
Its up to the players to keep their emotions (and stupidity ) in check. #22 had his first action of the year and probably just wanted to hit someone.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions
Gotta agree with that 100%
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
So glad
He took my suggestion to switch to Rosenfels to hold. LOL
I guess that switch was so obvious even Quinn thought of it. And Dodge seemed to do better with less to worry about. Still have to stop hitting the occasional line drives though.
I thought of you when I saw him take the field...
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
gave the ST alot of help
saw some of our better more athletic players out there trying to make up for our lack of planning and execution.
this kinda worries me. Quinn’s ineptitude could wid up costing us good starters now.
Eli
Kwillie is a fair grade. It’s what I expected.
"I don't do many endorsements. I'd rather get doused by Gatorade than bust my butt selling it." - Bill Parcells
The Giants executed the gameplan to perfection yesterday.
This was just what the doctor ordered. A solid effort from all 3 phases of the game.
Goff has improved
and is playing very well but I’m most impressed with Cofield, a 300+ pounder making sideline tackles is pretty amazing.
Had to love
His tipped pass on that up the seam route. He reacted quickly and showed some good speed.
Cofield's lost some weight I think
he looks a lot leaner. That probably means HGH, and that makes some sense since its a contract year for him…but who cares?
He needs to be re-upped. He has started basically every game since he was drafted.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions
I see you got the latest ESPN the Magazine
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions
good call
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
I am pleased to hear that Goff has played well...
…over the past few weeks during which time I have not been able to catch a game. He was the one I had my eye on the most at the beginning of the season, and appears he is developing quite well. It seems as though he is worthy of wearing that green dot now, no?
What have you folks noticed about his game-calling over the past few weeks? Judging from the box score, I have to assume he has been doing a solid job, but have there been times where guys have been out of position, etc., and got burned for it?
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 11, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions
When the Giants win...
I lose like 15+ hours of time due to being glued to NFL Network. I don’t know how I can watch the same highlights for 2 straight days without losing interest…eh, we know why.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
Kudo's to Tiki
For motivating the Giants by being a journalist who only knows one subject (the Giants) and is wrong about everything he says.
by Late for Dinner on Oct 11, 2010 10:14 AM EDT reply actions
Missed the game yet again...
…due to the brutal work travel schedule, but it appears that once again the guys stepped up and made big plays all over the field.
by Step up and make big plays on Oct 11, 2010 10:22 AM EDT reply actions
Hakeem Nicks doesn't even have to step up.
He’s Mr. Big Plays
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
A single-play kudos that you may have missed:
On the botched snap when Eli just immediately fell on the ball,
did anybody see Ahmad Bradshaw stay with the play? He knew right away that a defender, rather than be decent and tap Eli down, was going to try to spear him into the ground. Bradshaw stayed over Eli like a guard dog and flung himself into a D-Lineman’s potentially injuring hit.
Big ups on that one.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 10:31 AM EDT reply actions
Very true
Terrific heads-up play by Eli to just fall on it. Smart move.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions
I was referring more to Bradshaw's protections
but yes, damage control by Eli there was very smart
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
he was like a dog defending his bowl of food
…except it was Eli…….
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Great observation.
forgot about that. Gotta love that!
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 11, 2010 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Rosenfels before the game

*static/ sage this is coughlin, over.
*static. this is sage, over
*static/ your holding today
(really this is just an excuse to put this picture up again)
All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
-Michael Strahan
hahaha
nice
Superman is back!
by The Always Well Dressed... on Oct 11, 2010 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought his first one was a TD.
I think he caught the pilon before stepping out.
by Last year in Sec 127 on Oct 11, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions
What I would like to clear up here
More than a few here have mentioned up 21 in the 3rd try to run the clock out. Sorry fellas but Kevin stuck to the gameplan and what was working. You CANNOT run out the clock in the 3rd quarter. One may ask themselves why? I will tell you, the 4th quarter!!! It does us no good to simply try to rush ahead 3 times and not pick up the first. We cut less than 2 minutes of gametime and get no field position advantage. Trying to get the ball downfield enhances our field position and gets us critical 1st downs to move that clock and those chains. Eli forced a few throws, big deal we were up 21 points.
Thank you...
you need first downs to run the clock out. Having possession is clock management in any qtr. Late in a game is when you can run the play clock and get 3 yard gains to close out a victory.
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
YUP!
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
I sort of agree
with you. I was glad that they were trying to keep the pedal to the floor because only a few games ago Houston wiped out a pretty big deficit in the second half. I thought Eli made some bad decisions and maybe Houston made some defensive adjustments that we had to identify there in the 3rd.
I just don't like seeing three passes right out the gate
I absolutely agree that you can’t go into a shell. If that drive had been in the 2nd quarter I would still have likes to mix it up a little more.
"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.
by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 11:43 AM EDT up reply actions
thats not my contention
To run it 3 times and punt. But again, a QB should not see 40+ passes unless its a close game, or there team is coming from behind. And the fact that gilbride “stayed with the gameplan” almost put the other team in position to make this close. Two bad picks couldve led to 14 big points. Luckily they didn’t, but your playing with fire when you come out in the third, AND fourth quarters and throw throw and throw! Meanwhile, you have the 5th leading rusher in the league, as well as another back avg 4.1 per sitting on the bench. Games like yesterday are designed to have AB and big boy getting 35+ touches between them. Hell, throw DJ ware in there if you want to save AB’s ankles. Or even better, let big boy shoulder the load in the second half, so he can get even more confidence, shouldering 50% of the run responsibility.
Last week against the bears the giants did it the right way. This week I was not thrilled at how they handled the second half offensive gameplan.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:50 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Well, since we're winning I'll barely be on this site.
It’s not fun talking about how good the Giants are… when everyone is on the bandwagon. Definitely seeing the most people on here, since the start of the season. Let’s Go Giants, we’re the best team in the NFC.
K&WW
Don’t have enough time to read so I may be repeating.
Eli, kwillie, when will he learn? The bad judgment throws must stop.
Maybe TC saw the gun pointed at his head.
I never want to see HHog on the field again. Did anyone notice Chandler playing FB for the Cboys? Letting him go was a mistake, said so. We need another TE NOW.
Kudos of course to the entire D but you MUST give a great kudo to Fewell. He called the right schemes and motivated players.
Anybody see the Anvil? Saw him squish a runner.
Reynaud, let’s get our money back, we need to develop, draft, trade. Returns stink.
Overall, first good game of the year.
Tom Quinn Must Go
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 11, 2010 11:57 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
still can't get over the TEs can you?
Scott Chandler in no way has a place on the Giants. Its either him or Pascoe, and I take Pascoe.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I shed tears
OK, so I don’t.
Yes Bear as TE/FB, cut Hedgeblock, get another TE.
I won’t start the Beckum thing but still think he is a wasted spot.
Tom Quinn Must Go
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:08 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
dunno how anyone can think that on Beckum
ridiculous…..
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions
amidst all of the offseason cries to trade Osi
Here during the offseason, I maintained that a healthy osi is a dangerous osi, and if he stayed healthy, we would be witness to a double digit sack, pro bowl season. 5 games into the season, osi has 6 sacks, about four forced fumbles, has played stellar in the run D, and even tipped a pass yesterday. Its time that the man whose led this team in sacks 5 out of the last 6 seasons get his due here. He’s been vastly underappreciated in this city, called overrated, etc. Well thankfully I don’t see those osi haters speaking much anymore, and its time we applaud him as a fanbase, and realize when healthy, we have one of the better pass rushers in the league, and enjoy watching him for whatever remaining time he is a Giant.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
Hey, I will eat humble pie
Last year I was ready for him to go. Thank god JR doesn’t return my calls!
I want more JPP and I want it now!
good man Blend!
I knew I liked you! Hehehehehe
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 1:12 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Not from me
I was also a big Osi supporter and thought that he was better than Kiwi. Althought Kiwi was making a strong case in his own right, Osi has proved us right. There were some other supporters out there.
oh by no means was i tryna take full credit
I know there were a handful of us against the masses, L-Technology being another. I’m just glad Osi is getting acknowledged for being more than just a situational rusher, as some suggested he should be.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 1:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Quinn
Maybe he should go although overall the ST could have been better. It’s the best I’ve seen them so far. Great Game plan,even Gilbride who I usually pan even after wins.
It could not have been KD
Calling those plays. The play calling made too much sense. Must have been his evil twin from an alternate reality.
Tom Quinn Must Go
by UnknownJintsFan on Oct 11, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Kudos to Ward for the TD...or...
Kudos to the Giants defense for letting him get the TD?
"I play real sports…not trying to be the best at exercising."
"I'm a bulletproof tiger man!"
- Kenny Powers "Eastbound and Down" (season 1)
ED
Unlike most fans and writers I have always supported Gilbride, say what you want he gets results. I thought his game plan was solid and he recognized poor safety play and overall leaky secondary. However in the third quarter I think he and eli got far to greedy. At one point the were up 21-3 and gilbride called 4-5 passes in a row. They needed to get back to the run at that point. Eli then threw a pick and eneded up throwing another. Some of the passes were safer routes, bubble screens and what not, but I was surprised as were the announcers that they were still passing. Your up 17, establish the run. Won’t kill Gilbride but it was the first time in a while I was upset with him. Eli’s decisions did not help obviously.
Now onto dodge – yes the stat line was good, but this is a case the results did not match his play. Again the kicks were far to low. He was lucky to get some bounces but it is still clear he can’t get any hang time. This guy WILL kill us at some point. Hard to believe there isn’t a better vet out there, surprised we let hunter smith get away (not that he is so great anymore but he is a vet who can at the least directionally punt) , Not sure dodge has any idea what directional punting even is.
He's improving though.
He did have one moonshot that went about 55-60 yards, if he can do that consistently we’ll have quite the weapon on STs.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
At this point
he’s a rookie, why should he know how to be a directional punter? Do you think Feagles learned
that his rookie year? It took him years to develop that. The kid is making progress, and now with not holding anymore, it should help his focus.
"No one played more for the Giants, while being coached less".
Ex-Giants coach, Steve Owens, talking about Mel Hein.
by Great Gatsby on Oct 11, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowboys
I’m curious what excuses the punditry will use to rank the Cowboys at the top of their power rankings….
A rookie
He is, but most rookies ride the bench till they are ready or are so highly touted they are thrown to the wolves. This is a case where we simply have a desperate need and he does not look ready. Say what you want about him and a couple of big kicks, but he has been very inconsistent and some team will take advantage.
While the coverage unit did improve there were also 3 penalties , maybe 4 on that unit alone, far too much.
Look the team played there best game yet, but you can see that this unit could hurt us moving forward. Im not being a negative nelly just saying wins can cover up a lot of bad and this unit is still something that needs to be fixed.
In the post game coughlin said something i couldnt understand. He was talking about quinn (presumably tom quin) having a star on hakeem, anyone catch that and get it?
he was talking about Glover Quinn, Houston CB
he basically said that he didn’t know if they were actually looking to take advantage of Quinn ("puuting a star on him). but they were able to take advantage of it.
Seems like everytime I can find JPP pre snap and follow him during the play he is blowing up O lineman.
Like just straight up pushing them around. The past couple games he’s been pretty close to getting a sack or two but those crafty vets Osi and Tuck seem to beat him there by a step or two. I was lukewarm about him being drafted, having seen another physical freak of nature drafted high by our neighbors across town not pan out after not being able to adjust to the pro level. However he seems to be slowly learning the technical aspect of pass rishing and learning how to use his body to create leverage and push those big O lineman wherever he wants. He’s got a hell of a quick step, explosive strength and elite athleticism crammed into a 6’5" 280 lb body. I think we’re watching the next Julius Peppers develop.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Ugh, crappy internet forced a double post. Maybe someone could delete this? Sorry.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Oct 11, 2010 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Seems like everytime I can find JPP pre snap and follow him during the play he is blowing up O lineman.
Like just straight up pushing them around. The past couple games he’s been pretty close to getting a sack or two but those crafty vets Osi and Tuck seem to beat him there by a step or two. I was lukewarm about him being drafted, having seen another physical freak of nature drafted high by our neighbors across town not pan out after not being able to adjust to the pro level. However he seems to be slowly learning the technical aspect of pass rishing and learning how to use his body to create leverage and push those big O lineman wherever he wants. He’s got a hell of a quick step, explosive strength and elite athleticism crammed into a 6’5" 280 lb body. I think we’re watching the next Julius Peppers develop.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
My tag line says it all...
The kid is an absolute beast!
I want more JPP and I want it now!
I want to see him backflip to the QB once
I bet he’d beat Tuck and Osi then!
by Big Blue in tx on Oct 11, 2010 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Clearly
Mr Ernie Palladino agrees with me, I know he isn’t the be all end all, but a smart guy who has covered the gmen for years.
MATT DODGE: He didn’t do poorly overall, hitting four punts for a 49.2 gross average. But one of those was a liner and another fell short and took a fortuitous Giants bounce. He’s getting there, but not by leaps and bounds.
COACHING: You’re up by 18 halfway through the third quarter and the first thing that pops into your mind is to throw it three straight times? That wound up being Manning’s second interception, which put the Texans on the Giants’ 18 and set them up for their only touchdown 32 seconds later. It might have been a real momentum-turner, but the braintrust finally got back to the regular gameplan and Manning engineered a field goal drive on the next possession. Nobody is advocating sitting on the lead. Just run the normal offense.
On the coaching...
most likely it was Eli trying to take chances and put the game out of reach.
Then the coaching staff butted in and told him to run the normal offense.
Winning cures all...even stupid
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Oh, I hear ya
I always love Ed’s spot on K&WW, but he’s off by a landslide on Gilbride. They were airing it out constantly with a 3 TD lead, and it never stopped. 47 pass attempts when you’ve had a big lead all game? Run the freaking clock out! Even in the 4th quarter they were airing it out. And why on Earth does this man feel the need to throw the ball long on 3rd and short? Ok, once a game to keep em honest, maybe. But he does this way too often. And again, a screen pass to Boss? Why isn’t that going to Bradshaw? And if you’re determined to give a big body a chance to gain some momentum, than at least do it to Jacobs.
Gilbride
Defending the pass was and is the weakness of the Texans defense. Maybe the Giants got a little greedy, but when you win that easily I think you are splitting hairs to complain. Better judgment from Eli and you would have nothing to gripe about.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
You put up 34 points..
You can’t complain about the OC….you just can’t. Should be a rule!
I want more JPP and I want it now!
Not so quick
We got away with it, that doesn’t make it right. Even if Eli throws those balls away we are looking at very quick three and outs and good field position for the Texans. The defense was busting butt all game. That is not how you support them. Give them some time to rest and a long field. Quick three and outs and short fields is setting up your defense for trouble. The D stepped up to it, but the O has to take care of their part. Use the run or short passes to stay on schedule. When you looked at the patterns being run it wasn’t a case of using the Texans weakness, it was cocky greed. Also, the run had been effective as well, so let’s not act like the pass was the only option. Those situations are where an offense should show it can man up and go out and impose some will slamming the ball.
Actually you support them...
by jumping out to a big lead and by converting on their turnovers. One thing this offense has done poorly prior to this game is take until the 3rd quarter to get going. Yesterday they didn’t and it was fantastic! Picking three plays out of the second half is nitpicky. That’s my take.
Gilbride had a good game plan going in. The Texans were bad against the pass and they obviously saw a great match up with Hakeem. Against a poor secondary they should throw it more than they pass. Keep in mind they also ran for over 100 yards too.
I want more JPP and I want it now!
When you go for a 3rd and 15 and try to air it out and convert
It is not nitpicking to call that stupid. Run the ball, or throw a screen. Get what yardage you can for field position, punt and play defense. Heck that’s the right move even if you aren’t up by what we were. The only time you should be heaving it on 3rd and 15 from your own 15 is when you are down and in catchup mode. We had a good enough game around those numbskull plays to get away with them, but they are worth calling out because in another game they could cost us the win.
I am really starting to hate the TE screen
we’ve run that play on 2 3rd & longs. Why not give it to a player with some quickness who might be able to make people miss?
Geesh
You guys complain when Boss doesn’t get the ball enough. And you complain KG doesn’t call enough screens. Then, you complain when he throws a screen to the guy you have been screaming he should get the ball to more. Listen to yourselves. I know I defend KG to the point of making you ill, but you guys are just making yourselves sound bad.
Find a game where they don’t score 34 points, where they don’t get more than 400 yards in offense and where they don’t hold the ball for more than 48 minutes to complain about.
Enough with this nonsense.
by Ed Valentine on Oct 11, 2010 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup
always room for improvement. It’s about the right calls, at the right time, with the right personnel.
This is not nonsense.
Gotta give that unit a rest
and I’m pleased with the first half game plan. But it got dangerous and if the D wasn’t playing World Class, it could have cost us. Gotta chew up that clock. Like you said, the run game was working.
Gilbride et al
Its a good point about exactly who was behind what call that Free makes above. The only other thing I can think of that makes any sense is that the coaching staff was terrified of having Dodge punt from the shadow of the goalposts (talking about the second INT specifically here). Throwing down the sideline on 3rd and 15 from your own 15 seems like a pretty unorthodox move, unless you think there is a better chance of Dodge dropping another punt or shanking one directly out of bounds than there is of Eli throwing an INT. If not for having 20/20 hindsight, I could almost agree with that call (though not the 1st and 2nd down plays) Ernie P’s thing says they were up 18… was it not 21?
I’d love to see some statistics about how many times / what percentage of times a team comes back from 21 down at half, with / without any points off turnovers.
It definitely is nitpicking, but its also one of the more interesting things from the game to discuss. I still feel like in some alternate universe, Tynes missed the 42 yarder, Houston got the ball back down 14 with all the momentum and time left in the 3rd quarter and the Giants blew it… somehow.
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 11, 2010 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions
edit
When I say “agree with that call” I mean “agree with that assessment”. Should preview posts first, sorry.
by Oppenheimer919 on Oct 11, 2010 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions
The run game was the Colts weakness
and we didn’t do it then. The job got done and I’m happy about that, but it’s not like myself and the group I was with weren’t all saying the same thing.
I like throwing early and I’m glad they didn’t take their foot off the gas, but they were airing it waaay too much. It wasn’t like the run was ineffective.
I knew he could play that position..and he is doing a great job..We found our new MLB
And he is getting to be more of an animal every week..You can see how confident he is getting.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
free
those plays were called…he never checked at the line or audibled. So three throws in a row is on gilbride and then executing is on eli…Look it’s nitpicky, but why risk it up 17 points?
it was more than 3 plays
It was the whole second half gameplan.
Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!
by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 7:40 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Lots of good things, but..
the Giants seem to have way too many delay of game penalties or have to call time-outs to prevent them.
Well alot of that is due to Dietz..with O'Hara out..
Eli has to do all the blocking assignment adjustments..I’m just happy the guy doesn’t have a case of the shits..Eli throws it high enough, without the ball being coated in slippery shit..Who the hell in their right mind would want to try and catch a real stinker?
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Bobbiblue
You may be right about the blocking assignments, but the delay of game penalties has been an ongoing trouble in previous seasons
Gilbride is slow getting in the plays
How many times have you seen Eli staring at the sideline waving his hands for the play to come in. They get up to the line with not a lot of time left for adjustments. The fact that Koets can’t call the protections doesn’t help.
Yes probably a combination of things, Jess..They do tend to let the play clock run down too often..
And Bigblue just made a good point..the plays are coming in very slow..Eli has less than 10 seconds to read and adjust..and your right they have been flagged in the past alot for it. Getting tagged 5 yards for that is just not a good thing..No wonder TC looks like he does..but I must say, it was a nice thing to see TC happy for a change..He’s a great coach and he certainly has not lost this team..His hand must hurt today from all the high-fives he exchanged with his players..He had that group fully charged up and our defense has again become a very stingy group..The offense is getting better every week.. Nicks has become a star..When we get MM back and Smitty, Boss..and man if they get Barden involved some more..We have a very formidable football team..I look around the league and can’t find one with the talent across the board that we have.Our guysonly beat themselves…but things are seeming to improve..This team could very well be on a roll..We’ll see a big test against Detroit..They no longer are a laughing stock..We’ll see if our guys approach the game the same way every week.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Did you guys see more starters on ST??
I don’t know if I ever remember Webster on ST before. I saw a couple of others too, can’t recall, Boley maybe? Maybe that’s why we were a little better on the coverage side, and more penalties because these guys aren’t used to blocking.
I don’t know, just a thought.
cweb has played ST before....
did it as a rookie….did in during the ’07 SB run. (remember he recovered the fumble down in TB)
he even did it last weekend.
"We need to get him some more game experience and see him make decisions on the run. But I think he's earned the opportunity." - Eli Manning
"If I'm curt, then I apologize" - Newman
Let the coaches nitpick the mistakes
We the fans need to be thrilled with the overall teams performance. It’s not like we can be perfect on every play of the game.
I agree..that's why I couldn't find a single player
I’d give one of them willie things to..they dominated that game..everyone of them..yes mistakes happen every game, but the players and coaches did an awesome job against a damn good football team..I can’t wait to get to Dallas..I’m going to wolf down some Darryls ribs and watch our guys eat up on some Cowboys..
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
We still got Detroit Bobbi!
They’re playing well this year, should be a very competitive game.
Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes Tito..I mentioned earlier that Detroit game will be a test on how our team handles things week to week..
Those Lions are playing good football this year..They won’t be a pushover for sure.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
When I go to Dallas I'll be up in section 209...But as much as I like that picture Ed posted..
You won’t catch my ass painted blue..That dude on the left looked like he was wearing a blue sharks helmet..I draw the line on looking like a nim-rod..you’ll never see me with a hunk of cheese on my head or any of that shit..You’ll catch me in a Giants jersey with a beer in my hand..looking at my wife in disgust wearing her new Witten jersey…I hope there is a good supply of oxygen up there..for 250.00 I should at least be able to breath…
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
"Oh honey I got us great seats!!".."Where?".."Right here only 250.00"..."Looks like we'll flying up to fucking Pluto"...to look
down at a football game..geezus..You think maybe we could have shot out 1000.00?..If I want to watch 350 lb ants and a bunch of ‘dots’ I’ll go out back and look at that ant hill back there..I’ll just stick fucking numbers on them and throw them a fucking football..We’ll be so high up I will be able to stick a pin in the Goodyear blimp and listen to it flutter around like somebody let out a good long fart… If they pan the camera on me and you see a guy wearinge #10 with a blue face, that’ll be me choking for oxygen.
"When I was a boy and had no sense I got my pecker stuck in an electric fence..Well it curled my hair and tickled my balls, and made me shit in my overalls"
Why no Kudos for
Jonathan Goff? His play in the first quarter set the tone for much of the game. He played instinctual, intense and had a few hard hits. Most importantly he was fun to watch. We desperately need that from the MLB position and (at least this week) he provided that for us. He is still relatively young and although I’m still hoping that they get someone in there who is a consistent playmaker, it’s nice to see some sort of development (Brian Kehl, anyone?) from a young linebacker.

by 






























