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Mosley's assessment on the mark

Matt Mosley of ESPN is out with his NFC East Team Wrap-Ups. I can't disagree with much of anything he had to say about our New York Giants. Here is part of what Mosley said.

Biggest disappointment: It's obviously the defense. As Tom Coughlin said, this team lost its identity in the second half of the season. It couldn't stop the run, and the pass rush was almost non-existent. How can Pro Bowl players such as Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora suddenly go silent? It's a question this team has to answer in the offseason. Coughlin has already made one change by firing defensive coordinator Bill Sheridan. That had to happen.

Biggest need: You better fix the situation at linebacker. Decide what you're going to do with veterans Antonio Pierce and Danny Clark, and then find a way to get younger and faster. Clint Sintim may be part of the equation, and young Jon Goff seemed to play well at times from the middle linebacker spot. Michael Boley had an up-and-down season because of injuries, but you have to figure out if he's the real deal. It's time to take a long look at this defense and then start making changes. You also need to find out why the running game regressed this season. If an injury to Brandon Jacobs slowed him down, bring in more reinforcements.

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WOD,

LB situation is problematic, but the D line and the secondary are greater problems by far.Sintim, Goff and Boley could work out fine, then all we need worry about is depth at LB. We need to bring in new blood for the O line as well and this could prove to be more crtical than the LB situation. I’d hate to see the O line get back to where we were when “Off-side” Pettigout was OLT. He should have been gone a lot sooner than he was.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

that the D-line and secondary afre greater problems the the LB situation. In my opinion, The DT position is the most glaring need at this point, with the Safety position being a very close second. Either safety or LB could be handled through free agency but we need a young powerful DT.

LET'S GO G-MEN

by I_Formation27 on Jan 6, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions  

If they're going to fix the LB situation..

They need to do it in FA. Hopefully there’s one of the rumored ones on the market..cuz there’s a plenty that could fit.

People like Brandon Spikes…even I did for while. But all I read is that he’s not that fast, a bit bulky and not good in coverage…tho of course he has his strengths.

SPEED..should be the emphasis. Mara was 100% correct when he stated the overall team speed on the defensive side of the ball is lacking.

Earl Thomas..fast.

Hell..I know he’s a CB, but Joe Haden..fast.

SPEED….get it.

NO to Brandon Spikes.

YES to Greg Jones of Michigan State.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST reply actions  

I like your

previous idea of drafting somone at a skill position with good kick return ability. And you hit it on the nose with Giants lack of speed.

LET'S GO G-MEN

by I_Formation27 on Jan 6, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions  

You're overthinking, my friend.

Brandon Spikes can play football. He’s in the middle of every single play, against the highest level of collegiate competition in the nation, smacking the crap out of people.

There comes a time when you stop believing the scouts and start believing your own eyes.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Jan 6, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions  

true...

its just, Florida’s just so much better on defense then anyone is on offense who they played.

Florida’s entire D is basically an NFL roster waiting to happen.

And when they played Bama..basically a NFL offense (or at least the running game), Spikes along with the rest of them were blown off the ball.

I go by my own eyes.

As soon as Spikes came back for his senior year, I thought he would be a great replacement for AP. But after watching much of this year…I dunno.

I’d much rather go with faster guy..who can play football.

Speed..is what we need.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I think i'm the only person

looking to address S in round 1….well i think FreeBradshaw may want to do that too.

I don’t want spikes in round 1. If McClain is there than i think twice, but at this point i’m ready to go out and sign Ruud or just stick it out with Sintim, Goff, and Boley.

should Early Thomas be available in round 1 i just don’t see ME passing on him.

we need a SS and i think Thomas can be the guy.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Jan 6, 2010 3:29 PM EST reply actions  

no doubt...

I personally don’t think its even a question that safety is the biggest need on the team.

Agree 100% on McClain…but similar to someone like Joe Haden or even Eric Berry…McClain’s not gonna be there.

The Giants..IMO, have not ONE SINGLE STARTING SAFETY..on the roster right now.

Phillips is a question. Mike Johnson sucks…either he’s a backup or off the team. Ross is not a safety..and should not be thought of as one…or at most a backup for every position in the secondary.

The Giants need at least 2-3 NEW SAFETIES….

The only good one of the bunch is KP. But you can’t expect him to be a good safety let alone a starter.

They need to address the position by any way possible. FA and draft..and most definitely the first round of the draft.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 3:34 PM EST up reply actions  

i'm talking to the guys over at espn on the draft board....

not 1 is calling for safety….it’s all LB LB LB.

I feel like i’m taking crazy pills or something.

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Jan 6, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Its kinda like the WR thing last year....

Every single position on the defense could be addressed…even pass rusher.

They drafted a LB it seems in every single draft this decade….not a single one has stepped up and became a full timer.

I’d have no problem if they got one…but there’s players on the team already that can play LB.

There’s NO safeties….

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

You are right, re: drafting LBs...

…given the fact that not a single one in the past 5 years has consistently stepped up and made big plays and emerged as a force, in retrospect, it makes the decision to promote the LB coach to DC even that more suspect…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea but other than Sintim

every LB drafted has been a 4th rounder and lower so you can’t expect too much. Besides Sintim I can’t think of an LB they drafted in the first 3 rounds since the 90’s. . . I mean really can you? no wonder they suck at the position.

I was just like to see them adrress the position in an early round with maybe a little more talent . . .ie speed that the current crop of guys.

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 8:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Wilkenson...

Short.

I think Dahani Jones.

More importantly is the 1st and 2nd round..aside from Sintim, Nothing.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 9:37 PM EST up reply actions  

most of our rceent LB picks have been middle rounders, but...

…none of them have blossomed under the tutelage of Sheridan from ‘05-’08 and including ’09 when he was DC. In the past, we have have solid LBs that were mid- to late-round draft picks emerge: Carson (4th rd.), Reasons (4th rd.), Amstead (8th rd.), DeOssie (4th rd., albeit drafted by Dallas), etc…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 7, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I mean..

LB is probably a need..I don’t think that’s a doubt.

But its not the only one.

I’d put LB ahead of DL tho.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

yes

the way i see it, AP, Clark, and Wilkinson will be gone.

we could use another LB but like you said we still have sintim, goff, boley…..we don’t have any safeties.

i know LB is a critical position but let’s be honest….AP never walked on water. He was an undrafted guy who worked really hard and was smart….he was no physical stud or anything special in the middle of that Defense. But he was solid….and that’s all we need.

I also think that a new DC will get more out of that position (LB).

"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT

by andiamo708 on Jan 6, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Don't forget Blackburn...

I don’t see him as any less of an athlete then AP…plays with that sort of heart too.

If Blackburn had two athletes on the outside…maybe even he could work?

Of course, I’d rather get someone like Kirk Morrison, Demeco Ryans, Barrett Ruud…or in a dream world draft Rolando McClain.

…its just….this is a pretty good draft safety wise. This Earl Thomas kid is no joke….I really hope that Reese knows this and gets him.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

I think in regards of a FA MLB

I’ve been thinking of a few things that i won’t dive into, until Ed starts to do the positional breakdowns, but signing one of the main one’s is something that goes along my line of thinking. But, like you said, whether it’s dreaming of an idea, it’s fun to toss around possibilities!

by Hootman on Jan 6, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Bear in mind

Coughlin seems to love Blackburn, also for his special teams… If they do manage to ge their hands on a stud ILB (assuming that they’re committed to Sintim & Boley on the outsides) then likely one of those guys could go… I don’t think you carry 3 ILBs on a 4-3 team? Could be wrong…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 7, 2010 8:11 AM EST up reply actions  

blackburn plays all the positions

but I think he’s a “natural” MLB.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 7, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Heck with it, this is what i was thinking

Just in regards to our front 7 and the current roster, injuries and ego’s aside:

RE Kiwi, Osi
DT Cofield, Robbins
DT Canty, Bernard
LE Tuck, Tollefson
WB Boley, Blackburn, Kehl
MB Goff, Blackburn
SB Clark, Sintim

Heres my idea with cuts, FA’s and the draft

RE Kiwi, Osi
DT Cofield, Canty
DT Tuck, Alford
LE Sintim, Tollefson
WB Boley, Blackburn, Kehl
MB FA, Goff
SB Assuming Blackburn can play all 3 LB spots, or perhaps if Goff could play here, or we could draft a SLB and last, we still have Sintim, who can play here either way.

What this may solve is:
-A needed inside presence if Tuck played here more (the % ?)
-More speed on the inside and at end with Sintim (think team speed)
-The sense that we don’t have to use a high pick on a DT
-An upgrade with the FA MLB and not wondering if Goff can be the future
-Regulating Blackburn, Goff or both to ST’s where they’re needed
-Pinpointing an area in the draft where we could go, S, OL, LB then BOA

What problem may occur:
-If Sintim played more at DE, not knowing if Blackburn or Goff could play SLB
-Losing Tuck at DE, but some have suggested playing Sintim at DE
-Other than that…

All of this may seem subtle, but with signing a MLB, Tuck getting more snaps in the middle and Sintim going to DE, i think it could shore up a few problems?

by Hootman on Jan 7, 2010 10:34 AM EST up reply actions  

Tuck has got to be a DE

1st and foremost. I don’t think you can take away what he does best.

I expect Canty to resemble the player they thought they were getting next year.

Hopefully, the new DC realizes that you can put Canty next to Tuck on the line (he doesn’t bite..) and then stunt them..boom, inside rush.

Of course Tuck should see snaps all along the DL…and even Sintim as the DE too.

Use it all dammit….i thought that was the plan this year…

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 7, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

It's the entire middle of the defense.

So if you say DL…you’re right.
If you say LB…you’re right.
And if you say SS…you’re right.

I think if you can fix one thing, there’s a case to be made for getting a stud LB. He stops the run, and can defend against the pass. If your safeties are stopping the run, you have bigger problems.
A DL who can get to the QB solves a ton of problems…but we still need a safety. I suppose you take the best player at one of those three positions, but I’d feel MUCH more comfortable taking a DL or LB than a safety in the first.

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Jan 6, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Pathetic, isn't it?

Either they don’t know football, or to be kinder and probably more accurate, don’t know the Giants. BTW, Andiamo, I’ve been hollering for a Safety since last year’s draft.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 5:11 PM EST up reply actions  

LBs and RBs

Kawika Mitchell was, in my opinion, the best Linebacker on the field in 2007. Hustle, hustle, hustle. Letting him go was a mistake. Antonio was always vocal, very appreciated,
but not as good as his rep or ego told him he was, though he did have some great moments in ‘07. Still, Mitchell was better overall. Since then, the LBs have vacillated between decent to chink in the armor. I agree with F.Bradshaw. Free agency is the best way to attempt to fix this. Is there another, yet even better Mitchell?
RBs? I would seriously consider cutting Jacobs loose. He’s not Tiki, a freak who got better as he aged. He’s a brute runner, with talent to spare in that regards, but his one dimensionality has cost him, and the team. Calling a 27 year old man old is tragic, but his show and ability is, sorry to say, old. Ahmad, great change up runner, gutsy, as we’ve all been witness to, but not our starter. Don’t brush off picking an RB in 2nd or 3rd rounds. Seriously. We need one. Fast. No one in free agency excites me there, as far as I can tell. Is there anyone of interest available I’m missing? First round: Corner. As well as a DB in free agency. They have to spend. OL, I’d go FA. Ca-ching! Has to be done.

by ZILLAG on Jan 6, 2010 3:36 PM EST reply actions  

agree on all a that..

Mitchell was a great loss. Interesting point on if he was the best LB on the 2007 team…but I don’t think it was a question that him and AP at least were equal in that both were coaches on the field.

The fact they penny pinched and went with Clark instead…considering the success of the defense in 2008…really, hard to say if Mitchell would’ve really helped.

And as for 2009, he was injured basically all year, so he would’ve fit in with the rest of the guys and it really wouldn’t have mattered….

He’ll be 31 next season..so that ship’s probably sailed.

And agree to the utmost about RB. Not as big a question as safety…but all 4 players that are on the roster are injured…

Our 2 starters are getting major surgery (aside from what JR and all others are saying on Jacobs…he’s getting major surgery…).

That’s our 2 starters…

Remember last year when the DT’s, Cofield and Robbins…got offseason surgery?

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Whoa, FB,

if it’s no more than a miniscus tear that’s not major surgery. Sure it can lead to more down the road, but it’s not like an ACL or MCL. Guys have come back from small miniscus tears in 3-4 weeks, not a great idea for an RB and maybe never done by one, but I know for sure some basketball players have done it.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

this isn't

surgery to remove a wort from his ass…this is his knees.

A meniscus tear is a meniscus tear…its a tear in the tissue in his knee. I’ve they’re also gonna clean up some of the crap in there, and some bone spurs too.

Some may be calling it minor…but its not.

Jake gets his knees hammered all the time too.

Its not the ‘major surgery’ like micro-fracture or ACL/MCL stuff…but it should not be taken lightly.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I've had four scopes

Three for miniscus tears in the knee. When they turn you loose the same day, i consider it less than major. I’ve also had one ankle scoped Damge from a bloe on the bone from a forty pound maul) , out the same day. Another ankle surgery (to put in a brace and screws) required two nights in hospital. That might have been major surgery. Yeah, usually when they go in they have other crap to clean up. They did with all my scopes. The ankle was the worst, looked like crab meat in there, the doc said—I let it go for more than twenty years.) Still, out the same day. Sure crutches for a couple of days, then therapy for a few weeks weights, bike, etc—for the knees.) when all is said and done, BJ is a question mark because of his history. No denying that. Not as big a one as KP, say. I’m encouraged by Cofield’s response to major surgery. He was decent this year and I expect he’ll be better next year. As for Robbins, given his age, he might have had a bad year had he not been injured anyway. I’d still like to see him get a shot in training camp, but it’s unlikely.
Anyway, to characterize a scope for a miniscus tear as major surgery is an exaggeration. I think BJ will be ready to go come training camp. What he can deliver is an open question.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Mitchell

they really did’nt even penny pinch Mitchell was willing to stay for less money than Buffalo was offering, JR did not want to give him a 4 year contract while Buffalo did. .. bad move in retrospect, very bad.

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions  

DT is a must.

Pressure is what makes secondaries look good, we need to get pressure up the middle then our DE’s can get there, then LB, we are horrible at covering TE or RB with LB, and getting run on up the gut, DT and LB needed there, then Safety imo, I think coaching had these guys out of position alot in the secondary, with pressure on the QB, I think our DB’s would look alot better.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 6, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

Its all a need...of course...

yet, while they want pressure from the Front 4..you really can’t expect it to be there all the time, or at least can’t post Strahan.

What happened to the “Coverage Sack”?

Why not make the secondary good enough that they can cover people without worrying about if the front 4 does their job?

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 3:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Point taken

But if you give the opposing QB 5-6 seconds it doesnt matter whos in the secondary, you dont have to get to the Qb everytime, just put it in his head that you might. But we need both so just hope to improve all around.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 6, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions  

No doubt...

its just, who I see coming back..Alford, Cofield…hopefully a healthy Tuck and Osi, Kiwi and Canty….that’s a lot.

I mean…if those guys have a pulse in 2010..is a rookie even gonna start or play?

I’ve said it above…is there a single safety on the roster that’s not a HUGE questionmark (more-so then Alford off his injury?)

S just has to be the primary need cuz I can make a case that I don’t want a single player who’s a safety on the roster next year aside from KP.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:03 PM EST up reply actions  

DTs

Who’ll we have next year?

Alford (who we’re hoping we’ll have healthy)
Cofield (Who’ll probably be our best DT)
Canty (Should be better next year, but do we want to risk it?0

3 DT. I don’t feel safe with only 3 DTs (For the record, I think Bernard will be cut, and Robbins sadly left to Free Agency).
If we can get a guy who can create chaos in the middle constantly, I think that’s more important than any other position we can get.

I think DT’s are the biggest need, but we should still go Best Defensive Player Available.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions  

well...

Will…you gave me 3 players.

Safety has ZERO players.

KP? More of a qestion then Alford.

Mike Johnson…worse at his craft then Bernard.

…Rouse? See Mike Johnson.

CC Brown..See the door.

Ross? Not a safety.

So that’s 1 player..who’s a maybe.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

I got you

but still

A GREAT defensive line makes the rest of the team better.

And as bad as our passing defense was, our running defense wasn’t anything to write home about either. If we get a big guy who can stop the run, that makes the passing defense better already.

A big problem with guys like Osi was that he’d be in perfect position to get a sack…
If the QB couldn’t step right on up. Getting a push in the middle, and collapsing the pocket is the best thing to help an ailing defense.
Way too many times, the other team had too much time to do anything they wanted.

This isn’t saying don’t get a safety, or make sure you get a DT even if he’s crappy. This is me saying DT is a bigger need.

If we can get an awesome safety in the first round, or an awesome LB, that’s great.
But we better address the lack of push up the middle.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 6, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That's much harder

It is far easier to develop a pass rush good enough to take the pressure off your secondary than it is to develop a secondary that can hold coverage for 5 or 6 seconds. Look at our secondary in 2007. We had Craig Dahl and Geoff Pope playing in the secondary at the end of the season and wshed up old guys like McQuarters and Sam madison for much of the year. We got away with it because of the great pass rush. Plus you get much more value out of a defensive lineman than a safety. A good tackle limits the rush and helps the pass defense. A good cover safety helps the pass defense but is at best a relatively small factor in stopping the run. If we had a good consistent pass rush, a guy like Rouse could probably hold his own out there.

I don’t disagree that we need to improve at the safety position, but I don’t think we have the luxury of trying to fill that gap with a first round pick for the second time in three years.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Jan 6, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions  

a see what your saying..

Its just..well..read above, I’d rather not write it again.

Plus..I’ll add that KP’s situtation basically makes the 2/3 years, safety thing not an issue.

If Phillips was 100%…of course they could bump it down the list. But he’s not and shouldn’t be expected to be.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM EST up reply actions  

as always FB is correct

there is a decent core of DTs but zip at safety. A premier safety is the No. 1 need. In the defense, to me, secondary and LB are more in need of a monster for some new blood than the D-Line, which has 6 quality men right now between JT, OU, MK, JA, BC, and a hopefully improved Canty. And a serviceable backup in Tollefson.

There’s just nothing in our secondary… Terrel Thomas and C-Web should be locks to stay at S and CB, Ross IMHO is decent… outside of that there are outrageous holes…

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 7, 2010 8:22 AM EST up reply actions  

well

We didn’t have Maclin, Jackson, and Austin playing in our division in 2007.

by DoctorK16 on Jan 8, 2010 1:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I know D is the main topic of interest

but I think there’s an issue w/ Jacobs that needs to be addressed. Simply put, all year long Jacobs failed to hit the hole hard. At all. I hate to think that the slob of a man that is Siragusa was right, but this was not the Jacobs we need. All one needed to see was the Minnesota game. The way All Day was running, that’s how it’s done.

by YankeeDudeL on Jan 6, 2010 3:49 PM EST reply actions  

priorities

The priorities on defense should be DT and linebacker, in that order. The secondary got blamed for a ton of bad plays that were the result of a lack of push up front and the inability of the linebackers to cover tight ends or backs out of the backfield. Think of how many 3rd and long situations turned in to first downs because the QB had 4 or 5 seconds to throw. No secondary can hold up to that. And while their tackling was often atrocious, when they’re constantly in a position of making tackles 20 yards down field (because that’s how long the QB has to throw) they’re going to look bad sooner or later. In fact, this year’s secondary is better man for man that the group that won the Super Bowl in 2007, even with Phillips on IR. They won in ’07 because of pressure (just ask Brady).
Given the lack of leadership on the field, they need to fill some of these spots through free agency.
On offense, they need another tackle, at least, and I agree that they need another RB in the mix, especially since Ware seems to have washed out.

by blumag on Jan 6, 2010 3:50 PM EST reply actions  

Actually, I agree. DT and LB and...

RB. Is where we start. The lack of D Line pressure was such an ugly embarrassment and disappointment, from the pre-season on, and cannot simply put off, as I’m glad less and less people are doing, on Sheridan’s shoulders. He’s gone. The players are still here. The LBs couldn’t cover anybody out of the backfield (I know I bring it up ad nauseum, but that Bears pre-season game was so shockingly telling of things to come) The regressed OL and Jacobs fallen value are the reason the running game was middling at best. Not Kevin Gilbride. We may have a nucleus, but there’s a lot of work to do to shore up things up and bring in new horses. Hopefully we don’t take Washington’s place as the cellar dwellars of the east for the next couple of years. The current roster unfortunately seems to say we do.

by ZILLAG on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Cellar dwellars?

thats being a little over dramatic about our situation I beleive, if our defense was respectable, not even real good we would still be playing, I agree we need to sure up on RB and OLine, but I see an offense that can be elite for the the next several years, but Defense is the #! priority, no question about it.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 6, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions  

Good runningbacks you can get in later rounds

MJD, 2nd round
Ryan Grant wasn’t even drafted (why’d we let him go?)
Frank Gore: 3rd round
Fred Jackson: Not drafted…

We can get good guys later for probably the easiest position to transfer to the pros from. Let’s get some guys on defense first

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 6, 2010 4:45 PM EST up reply actions  

Wow I forgot to mention that

Bradshaw 7th round
Jacobs 4th round
Derrick Ward 7th round

Just to name a few familiar faces

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan = last place for jints

Shanahan can out coach coughlin in his sleep.

by dram57 on Jan 6, 2010 3:59 PM EST reply actions  

+1...

dram seems to forget the reason why Shanahan got fired in the first place.

He was way worse in Denver then Coughlin is in NY.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:04 PM EST up reply actions  

there's just so many things wrong with this comment

if you accept that shanahan is a superior coach, its still going to take 2 years to rebuild that offense the way he wants it.

skins are lost at QB, OL, and RB…no amount of coaching acumen will produce 10 wins next season with so many glaring holes.

by cntrlalt on Jan 6, 2010 4:08 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan can out coach coughlin in his sleep.

Is this a serious statement or just something to get a rise out of people? Wasn’t shanahan FIRED from his last job? Did I miss the part where shan was voted greatest coach of all time?

by njgiant on Jan 6, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Before they fix the defense

They need to hire a DC first and decide if we’re going to be a 4-3 or 3-4 defense. Because if we switch to a 3-4 it’s going to require a lot of personnel changes.

by John W on Jan 6, 2010 4:06 PM EST reply actions  

they already decided.

It’s 4-3

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 7, 2010 8:23 AM EST up reply actions  

I won't say anything bad about Shanahan

But I’m quite content w/ TC at the helm. As long as he can see that things get turned around.

by YankeeDudeL on Jan 6, 2010 4:07 PM EST reply actions  

Also,

I really feel we’re going to need to trade someone we might not want to see go. Like maybe Jacobs or Osi. Someone w/ a lot of value. Also think we’ll lighten the load at WR. I don’t see them getting rid of Smith, but he garnered a lot of attention and could get a lot for him. Maybe I’m just crazy.

by YankeeDudeL on Jan 6, 2010 4:12 PM EST reply actions  

Agree on trading Osi...maybe it could be just what the team needs?

Maybe he really was some sort of locker room cancer?

On Jacobs…who the hell would want him? Tho I think a healthy Jake..a properly utilized Jake..is a weapon that needs to stay with Big Blue.

As for Smith…yea..you’re nuts.They should leave all the WR alone probably…if its not broke..don’t try and tinker with it…improve what’s here.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Defense

I guess I’m in the minority here, but I think the Giants should switch to the 3-4 defense. They have alot of the personnel already. Tuck is easily strong enough to play 3-4 end, Canty was a 3-4 end his whole career. Sintim was a pass rudhing beast in the 3-4 in college. I think Kiwi is better suited to be a pass rushing LB than a DE. We would another ILB to play next to Goff and a NT. Alford could also be an end in the 3-4. And we need safeties regardless if its a 4-3 or 3-4.

by Giants56 on Jan 6, 2010 4:16 PM EST reply actions  

you're really not in the minority...

and its puzzling.

Just cuz everyone else is doing it..doesn’t mean the Giants should.

The short answer..Tuck is their best defensive player. I don’t understand how people say he’d be a good 3-4 DE…he’s really too small for it. Most 3-4 DE’s are 300+ lbs. Tuck is 270-280. He’s not a good fit. Its a bad idea.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions  

our best 3-4 DE ever...

…Leonard Marshall, had a playing weight of 288. And I assure you Tuck has more lean muscle mass that LM did. The weight at DE isn’t as important as the strength and quickness.

Different era (less 300+ O-linemen back then), I know, but I’m just saying…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I think you just answered it right there...

different era.

I mean..its not impossibly that Tuck can put on 20-30lbs…its just can he be effective too?

Also..the idea that guys like Kiwi and Osi COULD do it..is misleading…cuz they’ve played for so long in one system.

We’re really gonna switch systems to use the strengths of Chris Canty and Clint Sintim? Instead of Osi, Tuck and Kiwi?

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Remember Goose oohing and ahing over

Tusk’s size. He’s got the frame to pack on more muscle w/o slowing him down. Come to think of it, Goose oohed and ahed over the size of our apple-cheeked country boy TE.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions  

the main idea...

Tuck, yea, he’s very strong and could probably hold up in a 3-4 DE position.

The thing is…name one 3-4 DE you’d consider a pass rusher?

Justin Tuck is a pass rusher..not a run stopping 3-4 DE.

It completely defeats the idea of Justin Tuck, All-Pro talent DE to put him as a 3-4 DE.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

Trade bait:

Hixon, Jacobs, Moss. for… ?

by ZILLAG on Jan 6, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions  

Draft picks, draft picks, and more draft picks

The only quality Giants players that could be/ should be traded would be Hixon, Osi, or Jacobs. All had mediocre seasons but have been successful in the past. You won’t get full value for either Osi or Jacobs cause they are both coming off major injuries.

I am confident that some teams would shell out 2nd round picks and a late round pick for either Osi or Jacobs or at the very least a 3rd rounder and a late round…thats about all though

Nobody wants Moss…he should be waived because he is never going to get off the pine now with the emergence of Barden as our 4th WR option next year (might become our 3rd if Manningham continues to play retarded).

by 732jerseyP on Jan 6, 2010 4:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Osi.

I would trade Osi for a Kicker with a strong leg or a 4th round pick lol.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 6, 2010 4:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Isn't Hixon a FA to be?

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 6, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Not convinced draft picks are the answer...

…we had 10 (!) last year and the only bona fide gamer to emerge among them was Nicks.

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 6:52 PM EST up reply actions  

they're not..

they can’t be.

Well..like Nicks, its important to hit on the 1st rounder. It should be the most glaring need, if possible. Hopefully its BPA anyway.

The rest are for 2011…like rounds 2-7 were for 2010.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 6:58 PM EST up reply actions  

you have to give it more time

Sintim, Beatty, and Barden could all emerge well, leaving you amazed at what a good draft it was

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Jan 7, 2010 8:25 AM EST up reply actions  

No value

with Hixon and Moss, and BJake I would like to give him another shot at getting back to what he was, he may be a pounder but he really hasnt absorbed that much punishment, hes still has a few years left I think.

by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 6, 2010 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Defensive Tackle/Running Back

Those are our two areas of interest. The linebacker position is not the heart of our recent Giants team, Jerry Reese will tell you that. Look at our offseason. We picked up Canty and Bernard to strengthen Tuck, Osi, Kiwi, Cofield, and Robbins. Sure Boley was picked up, but we spent a majority of our money getting a DT/DE hybrid in Canty so that we could absolutely demolish lines. 2008 is a better example. Honestly, I can’t remember our starters. I know it was Pierce and Clark. Was Blackburn our third? Who started when Pierce went down last year? DeOssie? Wilkinson? I honestly can’t remember, and yet we were one of the most dominant defenses in the NFL. The top position we need to concern ourselves with is Defensive Tackle. First round hopefully. If we can get someone who can be disruptive up the middle, then (assuming our line returns to order i.e. being the New York freaking Giants) our weaknesses at Linebacker can be covered up.

And we’re jumping the gun on Linebacker aren’t we? Sure Pierce is likely done as a Giant and the chances of Clark returning are slim, but we still have Goff, Sintim, and Kehl to try out, plus potential FA pick up. If we’re grabbing any LB it’ll be in the FA. Why have three young rookie-esque linebackers? We’d be settling ourselves up for disappointment. I’d grab a LB off FA or sign Clark (if reasonable) for another year until we can see how Goff and Sintim produce.

Now for our secondary, well its not as bad as it looks… potentially. A lot depends on Kenny Phillips. Will he return? Will he be the same? Will he ever play football again? If he returns and plays healthy, the Giants are secure in the secondary with Rouse and Phillips as starters for safety, with Anderson and Ra’shad learning behind them. Keep either C.C. Brown or Michael Johnson for another year as back up, and I lean towards the latter (I know Brown sucks in coverage, but the dude can hit). Webster and T2 have the CB positions locked with Ross and B. Johnson behind them. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a veteran backup brought in just for security purposes.

Our other big areas are O-Line and Runningback. Personally, I’m weary about this O-Line, but it seems like some reorganizing could really help. Beatty has proven he can start if need be, so plugging him in over McKenzie, or swapping Diehl with Suebert and plugging Beatty in with LT could resolve our concerns. Snee & O’Hara were not problems this year, so a complete overhaul is not necessary. I’d like a OL drafted, but not until we can shore up DT first. Also, if we have the opportunity, I would love a new RB. Sure we’re stacked, but let’s look at our RBs.

Brandon Jacobs – Mediocre season that required surgery. RBs have a short shelf life, but guys like Jacobs are even shorter. There’s a chance he could be done.

Ahmad Bradshaw – Great player, but will be undergoing surgery. Not a good sign.

Andre Brown – Injuried in training camp. I just can’t trust going into training camp with all three RBs coming off surgery.

Gartell Johnson – He seems like a good special teams player. Otherwise he’s not the go-to guy.

DJ Ware – He’s done. He got his chance when Brown got injured, and blew it. I doubt he’ll be here long.

Personally I’d like one healthy, potential RB entering into training camp. Worst comes to worst maybe we get a new Kick Returning. While I love Hixon, the guy is inconsistant. Some competition could really help.

Anyway, my final concerns for the draft follow: Defensive Tackle, Running Back, Offensive Lineman, Safety. After that draft solely by best available.

by RolloT on Jan 6, 2010 5:00 PM EST reply actions  

Good analysis.

We can get a decent RB later in the draft. We were already thin in the secondary going into ‘09
KP is a BIG question mark. That’s why I put S first. Unlike an RB, we’re not going to get the kind we need later in the draft. Godd safeties are rarer than good RBs.
All this debate and opinionating differing on what we need demonstrates how many needs we have. I await with bated breath the decisions the team will make to address the issues. For now, I’ve exhausted my stamina for continuing my bloviations on the subject.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 8:15 PM EST up reply actions  

3-4

The Giants don’t have the right DT’s or linebackers to go to the 3-4. Tuck, Osi & Kiwi are all too small. No nose tackle. In truth they don’t have linebackers for a 4-3 either but they’ve got a few guys who can play. They just need a little more speed and a middle linebacker with range who will hit.
I agree With Rollo, by the way. He couldn’t cover worth spit, but C.C. Brown will come up and hit. If he was bigger he could be an outside linebacker.

by blumag on Jan 6, 2010 5:09 PM EST reply actions  

i think Antonio Pierce should be a defensive coach. He is respected by his teammates . ,and knows the defense. We have a running back that we drafted last year and was on IR. Pepper is a man who has a Patriot background….We need a special draft to enhance our team. We drafted well last year. Beatty,Hicks ,Sintin and Barden have good careers ahead of them. Go giants

by coachgreg1@aol.com on Jan 6, 2010 6:25 PM EST reply actions  

We and I'll say it again do not have a team that can install a 3-4 defense..

We do not have the right player make-up for a 3-4..We are built to be a 4-3..period end of discussion. The team needs to fix what is wrong with our current talent..lose whoever doesn’t fit it (which is minor)..and move forward with it..This is not a re-building bottoms-up year it is fixing a combined prolefera of problems across both sides of the ball..Defense being first and foremost..We are not dealing with a nightmare here..I vote for Pepper Johnson as DC..a guy that bleeds blue or Romeo to come in and fix the defense..Pepper is my first choice..OCs can afford the luxury of being somewhat stoic on the sidelines..You need an animated animal for a DC on the sidelines..

by Bobbiblue on Jan 6, 2010 11:29 PM EST reply actions  

the thing about Pepper....

wouldn’t he run the 3-4? He’s pretty much my favorite choice for DC…but doesn’t his name come with a grain of salt cuz of the 3-4 thing?

And I’ll say about the 3-4..its not impossible.

Tho…if any of the 3-4 advocates are thinking of SB AND switch to 3-4…in 2010…you’re delusional.

It would take time to do it.

Yes..the Packers are pretty much proving that wrong, but they had a whole lot more players to do it, the Giants do not.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 7, 2010 12:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I think Pepper..can run a 4-3..

He’s smart enough to deal with that and who knows he may then decide to begin the transistion to a 3-4 over time..Your right on about doing that now would sacrifice 2010 and I don’t think anyone will accept that. Whoever comes in will be charged with fixing what we have, not re-building…That is my whole point..I think Pepper Johnson can do that and more…He certainly won’t accept slackers..and he certainly will energize that unit…He’ll teach them Giants football…He’s learned how to play from two future HOF coaches and he has been coaching under the wing of one of the, Bill B.

by Bobbiblue on Jan 7, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

If he can..then he's a perfect fit...

There’s also the idea that there’s more then a few 4-3 teams that run it with a ‘3-4’ style/

I know the Titans did that..Hayneworth was the NT..but they had another DT and 2 DE’s, and only 3 LB’s.

Like you said..Pepper’s a smart dude..and knows what its supposed to be like to be a Giant.

I had no idea he was under Belicheat for so long either…that can’t be a bad thing.

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 7, 2010 11:30 AM EST up reply actions  

STUD DT FOR SURE AND.....

….PEPPER PEPPER PEPPER AND MORE PEPPER….HE COULD RUN A 4-3 IT AIN’T BRAIN SURGERY AND THE PLAYERS WOULD GET OVER THE WAUFFLE FIRING REAL FAST….MAYBE WE COULD 3-4 BUT I WOULDN’T REALLY WANT TO BUT A STUD DT WOULD BE HUGE.IT ALL STARTS UP FRONT.GET 4 MAN PRESSURE.DAN WILLIAMS IS A LOAD AND ALL OUR LINEMAN ARE SMALLER…WE NEED IT.THEN GO LB AND S W/ YOUNG OL MIXED IN.IT WOULD HELP THE DB’S SO MUCH JUST LIKE ’07!PEPPER IN 2010!

by Shaunthegiant on Jan 7, 2010 2:21 AM EST reply actions  

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