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New York Giants News & Notes: Can Justin Tuck Become a Leader on D?

Ed posted a link to Justin Tuck's press conference transcript yesterday, but in case you missed it, the NY Post has a story about his comments regarding becoming a team leader. Tuck offered up his injury as the reason he couldn't step up and be a leader this year, saying: "Because of the injuries this year I didn’t feel like I had a right to kind of say some of the things that I wanted to say because I couldn’t practice 100 percent and I couldn’t do the things that I wanted to do to kind of lead this team by example. For me, personally, it is tough to jump on some other guys for what he is doing when I am not able to do it myself.

I actually respect that mindset - players should lead by example first and foremost. It's pretty rare that guys will want to follow a bad player just because he happens to be vocal. It's also very rarely instantaneous that a player becomes a leader right away. It even took Michael Strahan a few years to step into that role, which he at best shared with Jessie Armstead during the Jim Fassel years. Once Armstead left, Strahan became the leader of the Giants defense for most of this decade, and when he retired it seemed like that mantle fell to Antonio Pierce. With it looking unlikely that Pierce will return, and even unlikelier that he'll be any good if he does return, Tuck should be the player to step up and become the true leader of the defense next year. I think he has the qualities to do it, now it's up to him to step up.

Here's some links to enjoy with your morning coffee:

  • Ralph Vachianno lists some candidates for the Giants defensive coordinator position. Ed covered most of them in his posts yesterday, but one new name that jumps out is Dom Capers, whom the Giants coveted before they hired Steve Spagnuolo. It's interesting that most of these guys seem to run 3-4 defenses. I'm not sure if that's because the Giants are seriously considering the idea, or if the names being floated around are just the "sexiest" ones so they are being reported regardless of how they'd fit with the Giants. I'm sure we'll learn more pretty soon.
  • The NY Times 5th Down Blog asks you to name the Giants/Jets new stadium, since they still haven't found a corporate sponsor. As much as I hate corporate sponsors, I also hate the idea of "Meadowlands Stadium." Do you guys have any good ideas? I wouldn't mind something like "Tradition Field" or "War Memorial Stadium" - something with a real name, but not a corporate one. 
  • The NY Times Blog finished its countdown of the top 10 Giants moments at Giants Stadium, but the Daily News has a photographic history of Giants Stadium. They have also come up with the "All-Swamp Team," which has a pretty fair split between Jets and Giants. I'm a little disappointed that George Martin wasn't on the team, but I can't really argue with Mark Gastineau making it, and no way should Martin go over Strahan. The only pick I really disagree with is Kerry Rhodes, who seems more hype than substance - surely the Giants and/or Jets have had better safeties than him over the years, right?

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re: the new ball park...

…my vote goes for “Joisey Stadium.” It captures the true essence of this facility.

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 7:48 AM EST reply actions  

Ground Zero Stadium

or World Trade Stadium… can’t really think of anything else but something to represent the firefighters, police, soliders and families of the victims that have died for this country.
Just a thought.

In football, you can always maim a person if you wanted to. -L.T.

by gobs56 on Jan 6, 2010 8:34 AM EST reply actions  

how about Heroes Stadium?

it honors those that you mention, plus our past Giant greats at the same time…

NYC has its “Canyon of Heroes” on Broadway in lower Manhattan where ticker tape parades have historically been held (including ours in February 2008, which I was fortunate enough to witness)…so why couldn’t we have a stadium for heroes?

plus, I could forsee lots of sponsorship opporunities and promotional tie-ins, particularly of the “$5 foot long” variety…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions  

Ok, here's some:

Fallen Heroes Stadium

Liberty Field

Freedom Field

New Jersey Giants Stadium (lol)

Oil and Petrochemical Stadium (ok, I’m just getting silly)

by YankeeDudeL on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind World Trade Memorial Stadium..

But I also wouldn’t want to make it target for these terrorist assholes.

by Bobbiblue on Jan 6, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions  

not to harp on semantics, but to my mind...

…“World Trade” pays homage to a building. I’d prefer something that speaks more to the event and to the sacrifices…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice....

I was just mentioning what i could to get some better ideas coming, and i think your right.. I do love the Heroes Stadium or Stadium of Heroes idea as well…Ground Zero Memorial Stadium… Can you think of something that would speak more for the people rather then the land marks??? I’ll see what i can think of too.. anyone feel free to weigh in, if we come up with something really good we all should email it to the giants staff and get the ball rolling… It would be nice to get our stadium name to pay homage to the fallen from 9/11. That would be very classy of our team and the Jets.

In football, you can always maim a person if you wanted to. -L.T.

by gobs56 on Jan 6, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't mind something like

“Emergency Workers Memorial Stadium” – although that might sound too much like a hospital

2009 Did Not Happen

by cjmulrain on Jan 6, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Pride Field

seemed a little better a couple weeks back
and I keep forgetting the Jets play there

by greg a on Jan 6, 2010 8:48 AM EST reply actions  

Pepper Johnson?

Ralph V reporting Pepper a candidate for DC
I like this more than anyone else
He has spent the last few years with Belechick

by greg a on Jan 6, 2010 8:52 AM EST reply actions  

+1000

As of now he’s my choice. IMO we need a young fiery type. Not another non-emotional deadbeat.

by FrankB0318 on Jan 6, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions  

hmmmm

New name " the swamp" lmao

All swamp team…scratch kerry rhodes insert terry kinard…

As far as a leader… I like tuck in that role..

DC are there any other Jim johnson pupils out there ?

i dunno maybe I just like the colors

by Mr.Williams on Jan 6, 2010 8:57 AM EST via mobile reply actions  

so then the propsed SB in NY could be dubbed "The Swamp Bowl"?

…and our stud DE or LB of the future could be labeled, “The Swamp Thing?” etc…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 9:06 AM EST up reply actions  

that'd be nice, but unlike last time...

…those mutts the Jets are going in with us as equal partners (theoretically)

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 9:05 AM EST up reply actions  

Can't be 100 equal if

 the Giants are sellling more PSL’s at a higher price

 the Giants HQ will be AT the stadium

and remeber the Giants were going to build this stadium with or without the Jets, the Giants allowed to Jets to jump in once their NYC stadium fell through becasue well it’s the Jets and nobody cares.

So I say Mara continues his Steinbrenner type rage that he’s showed this week and insits the stadium be called GIANTS STADIUM!

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 9:10 AM EST up reply actions  

Mutts

I like mutts
the Jets are more like feral cats
they just show up unwanted and try to take over the place

by greg a on Jan 6, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions  

All Swamp team is a joke

Mo Lewis over Carl Banks? Yeah right

Gastenue was overrated even Jet fans will tell you that, George Martin should be there

Aaron Glenn over Mark Collins another “we have to put some Jets on this team”

Curis Martin and Kleco are the only truley deserving Jets, maybe Toon but Plax despite his troubles was better.

Kerry Rodes really? I mean I know there has not been a great saftey on either squad but Kerry Rodes I think thats anotehr lets put a Jet on this team.

Dave Jennings played for both teams but we all know who the greatest Punter in the history of Giants stadium is! LANDETA!!!!! Were is he! they dumped Jennings for him. I mean come on he averaged like 45 yards a punt when he was with the G-MEN.

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 9:18 AM EST reply actions  

Possible DC's

MG had a piece last night that said KC retained their DC and most of the D Staff and the only job for Crennel would be D-Line coach, which is a bit of a downgrade for a guy like Romeo

He also stated the Romeo was very interested in being the Giants DC, which I would love but the whole 3-4 4-3 thing. MG stated he thinks that might not be a problem and he will explain why at a later date. . . . .????

I just find it interesting Juaron has little interest in the Job and Crennel seems to be highly interested. . . we’ll see. I like Romeo a lot though.

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 9:24 AM EST reply actions  

Just a thought

If RC is interested and is a strong canidate, is he predominately a 3-4 DC, or is he flexible to run a 4-3 oriented D too? Kind of like a 3-4/4-3 hybrid! Without entirely going to a 3-4, and keeping to the 4-3 foundation, perhaps RC would have the knowledge to implement a 3-4 flavor here and there with our personnel?

by Hootman on Jan 6, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Jimmy Hoffa

sleeps here?
Actually the guy who many believed killed him, George, “the Irishman” Shearer (SP?), his one time bodyguard and part time hit man for a mob boss says he was ground up in a sausage factory near Detroit after George offed him with a bullet in the brain. George also took credit for the Crazy Joe Gallo hit, ordered by George’s boss Buffalino (?SP?) who had the most of PA outside of Philly and had the respect of all the bosses nationwide. George went back to Jesus and made a death bed confession to a former Asst Attorney General. George was one of two non Italians on the nationwide Mob Council.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 12:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Speaking of death bed confessions..

I listen to this radio station down here in the morning..and occasionally they have a “Dumb Crook News” segment..Well, this clown got sick and was told he was going to die…So, he wanted to make good with his maker and revealed that he shot and killed a guy who he thought was cheating with his wife…then made a miraculous recovery..Now he is facing 1st murder degree murder and they are seeking the death penalty…hahaha!!!..True story..hahaha

by Bobbiblue on Jan 6, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I respect Justins opinion about leadership..

But I think the fact that he toughed out an injury most of the season and showed up for every dance is in fact leading by example, hence gives him every right to critique where apppropriate, other players.

by Bobbiblue on Jan 6, 2010 9:57 AM EST reply actions  

+1

again, leading by example…well done, Tuck.

Sometimes “leadership” is conflated with being the loudest voice in the locker room. It takes more than being vocal to be a leader. If you don’t back it up, then you are nothing but a wind bag…

by Step up and make big plays on Jan 6, 2010 10:12 AM EST up reply actions  

Nice point

Tuck did not miss one game due to a relativly series injury. Just bring in a smart Heads up LB or S that can play and he could be the vocal leader.

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 11:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Agreed

Which is why I think he should have been vocal with guys. At least he was giving everything he had.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 6, 2010 12:02 PM EST up reply actions  

Last place

All I know is that with Shanahan in Washington, the jints will finish dead last.

by dram57 on Jan 6, 2010 11:38 AM EST reply actions  

damn...

I guess RIP 2010 already huh….

It COULD happen of course.

Also, the Eagles could be in last place in 2010. It could be the Cowboys!

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST up reply actions  

and so..

I guess if the Giants canned Coughlin and signed Shanahan…the Giants would be the early favorites for the Bowl huh….

LOL!!!

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Not that i agree we will finish last now

But i think it may be very important to hire a DC that has the knowledge to counter what all teams in the East run. Whatever Dallas runs and Philly runs a variation of the WC-O, but if i remember right, Shanny did also? Though i do know he’s never sold on a featured RB and he uses the TE alot!

by Hootman on Jan 6, 2010 11:50 AM EST up reply actions  

Why?

What is so great about Shanahan? He has never done a thing without John Elway, and last I checked Elway was too old for a comeback.

by Ed Valentine on Jan 6, 2010 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan and his teams haven't been great since 98.

That’s over 10 years ago.

Not to mention…kinda like one of the other overhyped names mentioned as potential HC’s..Jon Gruden….Shanahan’s team in 2008 CHOKED BIGTIME with a big lead in the division.

They basically had it sewn up with that lead..and wound up 8-8 and didn’t make the playoffs.

Shanahan is NOTHING but a NAME….

Yes, he’s probably better then Zorn…but I’m better then Zorn.

Shanahan is nothing more then Snyder going with Marty Schottenheimer or Joe Gibbs again.

It may work out….of course.

But just cuz his name is Mike Shanahan does not mean that it will…

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions  

If Gibbs couldn't,

can Shanahan? The problem is Snyder. No coach will succeed there. I’m guessing it will be a circus, a replay of shanahan and Davis at Oakland,

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions  

The only way it succeeds is if Snyder stays out of it.

The one thing I credit the guy for is…he’s not as delusional as someone like Davis.

The fact he hired Bruce Allen in the first place..who’s a pretty headstrong football mind…and now Shanahan..could mean that he really and truly is taking his hand away.

Now…does that mean like dram57 says and the Giants are gonna be in the cellar every year? Hell no.

For all we know, the Giants can be undefeated next year.

The only thing Shanahan, and Allen, mean for the Redskins is they are going in the right direction, or so it seems.

They are both names..names who have a resume and have done something in the past.

They are proven winners….they are also proven LOSERS as well….

N8 !

by FreeBradshaw on Jan 6, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions  

Great stuff..
They are proven winners….they are also proven LOSERS as well….

You and SimmsMc have a great way of building someone up and tearing them down in one sentence. This is a great line.

by njgiant on Jan 6, 2010 2:21 PM EST up reply actions  

The Redskins won't be here just yet

And yet meaning in certain ways? Those new hirings may have credibility with their tract records, but it’s still a reality of tinkering or rebuilding the Redskins as they see fit. It could go either way or just be a constant of mediocrity? There should be some kind of transition to be expected, and how that translates to W’s, it’s anyones guess!

by Hootman on Jan 6, 2010 6:59 PM EST up reply actions  

Shanahan in Denver

Had a HOF QB
Had a soon to be HOF TE in S. Sharp
A HOF lineman in Zimmerman
An all pro lilneman In Schelerth
If not for injuries a HOF 2000 yard back in Terel Davis
An extrodantly underrated WR who cmapres well to HOFers in Rod Smith

Washington does not have that talent or anything close to that on O . . . If they do then I’d worry but noy until then

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 2:45 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Don't underrate him

Hes had successful offenses without them as well. He can make a pro bowl RB from the biggest scrubs. It’s just that their defense was always terrible

by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 6, 2010 2:48 PM EST up reply actions  

Yea he was

very good . . . but thats my point. . . .thats how much talent he had in Denver, McCaffrey is a bit of an afterthought . . . .

I’m not undestimating him, he’s a hell of an offensive coach maybe the best around, but that Denver team was stacked, I mean really really talented . . . he does not have that in Wash and will take some time to devlop a QB and an O-line when and if he does sure watch out but don’t be overly concerned about 2010 yet.

by Landeta on Jan 6, 2010 8:07 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't know about that..

Obviously Shanahan will make the Skins a tougher opponent maybe next year.. it will probably take longer since they have alot more issues certainly than we have to fix, starting with the QB.

by Bobbiblue on Jan 6, 2010 11:46 AM EST reply actions  

Tuck

is a great guy. Ive met him and his wife 3 three times. You couldnt find nicer people (soon to have another baby so Good Luck!). But I think when it comes down to it, thats his problem. He is TOO NICE. Hes quiet and shy even around friends. His wife often does the talking in group situations.

Stra always has to be the center of attention. He loves it. Tuck has a roll player mentality with team leader talent.

by ryanwk628 on Jan 6, 2010 1:10 PM EST reply actions  

Great point

You need the right personality to fill that role. Quiet leadership is good (lead by example), but a guy who can openly chide, encourage, etc. is necessary, too.) That’s one of the reasons why I like Pepper for DC. If there’s no player to assume that role, a guy like Pepper can partially fulfill it, at least for the D.

by blue gonz on Jan 6, 2010 1:45 PM EST reply actions  

No All-Swamp for Elvis Patterson?

…What, nobody’s hungry for toast?

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Jan 6, 2010 2:44 PM EST reply actions  

Giant's stadium

:)

Stupid Jets. I like the sound of the Swamp though.

Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.

When there's a WILL there's a WAY

by Willgfass on Jan 6, 2010 5:03 PM EST reply actions  

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