Exclusive: Giants would be a 'last straw' for Jauron
by Ed Valentine on Jan 5, 2010 3:58 PM EST
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PrintSlide Dick Jauron's name off the top slot when it comes to considering who will be the next defensive coordinator for our New York Giants.
That does not mean the former Bears, Lions and Bills head coach absolutely won't be the guy Tom Coughlin chooses. It just does not appear to be the ideal fit. For the Giants, or for Jauron.
A source close to Jauron's mid-season firing in Buffalo told me Jauron and Coughlin respect each other, but that Jauron would only take the Giants job as a last resort.
Jauron was Coughlin's defensive coordinator under Coughlin for four seasons in Jacksonville. He has been a head coach three times since then.
"Jauron would view it as the 'last straw' of his career to go back to the guy that gave him his first real coaching break," my source said.
As far as I am concerned if Jauron isn't excited about the job I don't want him in New York. Remember how it worked out for Jim Fassel when Brian Billick gave him a job in Baltimore in an effort to help him resuscitate his career? That didn't work very well, and Coughlin is in no position right now to be doing anybody favors.
So, what other names are floating around the rumor mill?
Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post is reporting that New York Jets linebacker coach Bob Sutton is the "top choice" for the job.
Ralph Vacchiano had this to say about Sutton.
"He certainly looks like an ideal Coughlin candidate. The 58-year-old is a former Army coach (and we know Coughlin loves people with a military background). He was the LBs coach at Syracuse when Coughlin was the QBs coach there in 1974. He’s been a defensive coordinator (with the Jets from 2006-08). And he’s done a good job with the Jets LBs, who anchor the No. 1 defense in the NFL."
Another name we talked about this morning was Washington Redskins linebacker coach Kirk Olivadotti. According to Kevin from Hogs Haven, players love Olivadotti but there isn't much of a feel for how well he would handle a coordinator job. Olivadotti does fit the young, motivational profile (otherwise known as the 'Spags Clone Profile), but there is some debate as to whether or not he is truly a candidate for the job.
Some of you asked this morning about Perry Fewell, who replaced Jauron as interim Bills head coach and was fired the other day. Fewell does have a connection to Coughlin, having served as defensive backs coach in Jacksonville for TC.
My Buffalo source tells me, though, that he think Fewell is headed to Chicago as defensive coordinator for Lovie Smith. I'm also told that Fewell is a pure Tampa 2 guy, and I don't want to see that anyway.
Finally, Mike Garafolo tossed Romeo Crennel's name into the hopper. Whether that is serious or not, who knows.
Check Big Blue View on 'Twitter,' where I will be trying to keep up with as much of the speculation as I can.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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Sutton was DC in the Jets
under Eric Mangini between 2006 and 2008 and did not work so well.
Yeah, we like NFL here in Brazil.
I agree
Toss out Sutton…I’d go for Olivadotti, a gut feeling says he’d be a strong motivator for the defense. And I agree with Ed in regards to Dick Jauron. If Jauron views it as the “last straw of his career,” that will most certainly spill over to the players.
Jerry Reese = Omar Minaya?
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 5, 2010 4:14 PM EST reply actions
Clever lol
Jerry Reese = Omar Minaya?
by BigBlueIntervention on Jan 5, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
Is Jauron a good defensive coordinator?
I think it was Landeta who posted that Jauron was really a mediocore D coordinator with Ivy leauge degrees, In looking at the teams he was the coordinator I didn’t see anything that jumped out at me that he can solve our problems. On top of that Ed says his sources say Jauron would look at the Giants as a last resort.
I don’t want this guy here, in fact non of the names that are being tossed around sounds very good. What about Zimmer, proven track record and I understand his contract with the Bengals is up, and we know the Mr. Brown is cheap so why don’t we go after either a guy with a track record or a guy who is an assistant for a top D coordinator (like Spags was).
LOL
maybe he could cold cock gilbride like his daddy if he starts calling too many draw plays.
LMAO
Didn’t think of that, but when Gillbride get’s predictable having a Ryan on the staff to pimp slap him back to realty might not be a bad thing!
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
Why?
I have heard of his father, but I don’t think we want to touch anybody from the Redskins staff. Thier D was a total illusion this year and it sounded like Haynseworth was complaining about it being a read and react scheme. What has he done that says he could fix this mess we currently have?
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 4:38 PM EST up reply actions
Olivadotti is a good coach..and I wouldn't put much stock in what Haynesworth says..
If he’s complaining about a “Read and React” approach then he has problems that cannot be solved..All defenses are “Read and React” when the ball gets snapped..What an idiotic statement…But having said that do we want another rookie DC?..Do we know enough about the guy to feel comfortable in him handling that level of responsibility?..I’m leaning towards taking that risk..As far as Jauron?..Throw him off the list..We need a coach not an ego..So the “Beat goes on”..
Thinking hard
Not a lot of D coordinators with experience come to mind, in fact thats the reason Jauron’s name keeps coming up because he is a guy with experience. I for one am not impressed with his resume so I would like to keep searching.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Redskins linebacker unit is good
And he just sounds like a guy who knows what hes doing
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 5, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
the Redskins D has been pretty solid the past two years
if they had a competent offense they’d have competed with us for 3rd place this year
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Olivadotti...
is their LB coach, not the DC.
Blache is the one with the ‘read and react’ thing.
N8 !
Funny you should mention that
Chucky is back with ESPN for another season but if we have another season like this next year who knows, we might be able to pry him out of the both.
the grass is always greener, fellas.
gruden’s track record is no better than TC’s…. we have an excellent coach already.
First in formost I want TC back next year
However the way the Giants quit on the season put some doubt about TC in the back of my heard and it sounds like Mr. Mara has some dobuts too now. So TC probably does not have a lot of rope next year.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
THANK YOU!!!
This Giant Mob is a fickle bunch.. I’m completely surprised at how many people want TC gone.. We are a spoiled bunch. The man has brought us success and has stumbled through no pure fault of his own. How about we circle the wagons a little instead of throwing out the baby with the bath water??
If Gruden ever came here
I’d give him all of 2 weeks before he alienates every QB on the roster….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I dunno...
I’ve never heard any announcer fawn over Eli (like every announcer does Farve and his brother) like Gruden.
Every QB’s he’s every had on his teams have been retreads.
He grew up in the NFL with Farve..and I’m sure that’s what he looks for.
I mean he is a fiery knucklehead, but he knows who Eli is…he won’t do that to him.
He said during that Modnay night game he’d come back into coaching if either Eli or Peyton had a son…
I’m sure he’d love to coach the Giants.
N8 !
I pray you're kidding here
ummm, what success exactly does Chucky have? You think the last two games were bad here, how about the last games Tampa blew last year to fall out of a guaranteed playoff spot? And have you seen the drafts the Bucs put up under him? Literally one Pro Bowl draft pick in four years. Yeesh.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 5, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
This will never happen but...
Greg Schiano. He’ll never leave RU and I don’t think I’d want him to, but it would be interesting.
What about Pepper Johnson
The guy is a take no prisoners kind of guy, he knows what it means to be a giant, he grew up as a player and coach under coach Parcells and Belicheck. The patriots play a hybrid scheme that employs both the 34 and the 43.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 4:50 PM EST up reply actions
The patriots play a hybrid
because all of their 3-4 players are either old and gone, or on the IR.
Let’s not do any hybrids please
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Don't want to play a hybrid
My point was that Pepper is familiar with the 43 so he should be able to adjust.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 4:58 PM EST up reply actions
gotcha
Although I’m wary about any guy under belichick
Belichick is his own DC, and most of the other guys from him haven’t been too great
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
+1
Some make a big deal about a coach being 34 or 43. There’s obviously a difference. I don’t believe a DC can’t adjust from one or the other.
Old vs. New
Do the giants go with a former coach like the Packers did with Dom Capers or with a younger stud hidden on someone else’s staff like Spags? Whatever the Giants decide, I absolutely don’t think they should go for a combination of the two, which would be an old guy that’s been hidden on someone else’s staff. There is probably a reason that guy has never been in a high position. . .
I think personality in a DC for the Giants matters as much as the talent. They need to find someone that will connect with the players, which I think will come from a younger guy.
Not true...
Jim Johnson was an old dude that was never a head coach? Was that for a reason? Perhaps his own. That’s the kind of guy we need. We don’t need a guy looking to make a name and jump ship. We need stability. We keep changing DC’s, then we’ll keep drafting guys that may not fit the next guy’s system and then what? We’ll just keep wasting picks.
Jim Johson never aspired to be a HC..He always loved being a hands-on coach..
Being a head coach separates a coach from an awfult lot of that..He was always satisfied within his ability to be an ingenious defensive mind..There aren’t any Jim Johnsons out there.
crennel...
i heard on espn over the weekend that they said Crennel to KC was almost a guarantee.
I think MG is throwing names out in an effort to keep up with Ralph V.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I been hearing the same thing
From my understanding the only reason Romeo did not coach in KC this year was becasue of hip replacement surgery. Pioli wants Romeo pretty bad, however I do know Romeo has some ties to the Giants so it wouldn’t hurt the Giants to try and get him to listen to thier offer.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 5, 2010 5:01 PM EST up reply actions
We need a 4-3 guy
That makes Edwards or Olivadotti the obvious choices unless we do a roster razing and rebuild. We lack the personnel for the 3-4 or I would be pressing hard for Capers or Crennel. We don’t have anything that resembles a 3-4 NT on this team, one true 3-4 DE in Canty, one unproven 3-4 OLB in Sintim and a workable secondary. That’s simply just too much to implement and learn with the player needs making it impossible………… but maybe not.
Let’s look at our D roster
Current DE’s: Tuck- as an interchangeable DT-DE he has potential as a 3-4 DE, Canty- a proven 3-4 DE , Osi- too small to be a 3-4 DE not really confident in his ability to do anything other than pass rush(possible trade bait?), Kiwi- could become a stud 3-4 OLB, Dave Tollefson- I think he hasn’t even payed his best football yet, but 3-4 DE? I don’t think so.
Current DT’s: Fred Robbins- let’s just agre that his days in Giants blue are over, Barry Cofield- One of the shining stars on the D-line, but no 3-4 NT, Jay Alford- was doing great before the injury but, again, no 3-4 NT, Rocky Bernard- still not sure I’d even hire him to move furniture,.
Current LB’s: AP- he’s not in the future plans, but maybe he could be the quickest study to convert, Danny Clark- nice knowing ‘ya, Sintim- would accelerate his development in the 3-4, Blackburn- I believe he is already a 3-4 ILB maybe even better in that system, Boley- I believe he’d fit right in to the 3-4 as an OLB, Goff- Jury’s still out, but he flashed a bit in AP’s absence(I’d keep him to see what we have), Wilkinson- buh bye, De Ossie- long snapper, special teams at best.
Our Secondary players are mostly big enough to play the 3-4.
So, to look at it that way, we could switch to the 3-4 with only NT being the completely missing link. I just wouldn’t bet on making the playoffs in the first year. That, alone, would make me believe that we aren’t switching. Ownership and the aging Head Coach will not tolerate any less than the playoffs, next year. Besides, we run a hybrid 4-3 anyway and we can’t look at it like we are replacing Spags, anymore. We WILL be getting a new system with, hopefully, alot of the things that worked for us from the current system that caters to the talents of the players we have.
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3-4
Osi could play olb in a 3-4.
The fact that you would consider boley an OLB in a 3-4 proves you do not know anything about the 3-4 defense .
Why do you assume Osi could play OLB?
Did you see his struggle to cover TE this year, or the way Kampman struggled in GB? Osi is too big for a LB.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 5, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
Ware is bigger than Osi
They don’t cover Tight ends 20 yards down the field, most often they play shallow zones
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 5, 2010 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
Ware is not bigger then Osi.
Osi’s 270…Ware’s more like 260.
More important…Osi’s played in a 4-3 his whole career in the NFL, Ware a 3-4.
Look at Aaron Kampman in GB. He was a shell of himself cuz of the fact he had to be a OLB.
If they really..really had to go to a 3-4, they should trade Osi.
N8 !
I know Osi is listed at 270
but I think he is more like 250.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 5, 2010 10:26 PM EST up reply actions
Dude, you are talking to a former 3-4 OLB.
Seeing as you provided no base to your argument, you may be talking out of an other orifice. Boley was hired to play coverage, passs rushing(blitz) and run containment(not necessarily run stopping, but turning the runner in towards the middle). That is exactly what a 3-4 OLB does. Osi has never been known for his run stopping ability, nor is he great in coverage. Have you ever seen Osi backpedal?
The 3-4 is designed to hide where the 4th LB is coming from in the pass rush(think LT).
Please expose yourself by saying different.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
Agree
Just look at our personnel: Too many good DL, not enough good LB. I know our DL played like crap this season but there were injury concerns across the board. Osi will be better with another year to heal from his surgery. Canty, Tuck and Alford will be back healthy next season.
LB is probably the weakest position on the team so why in the world would be switch to a 3-4?
3-4
I’m not fully converted on this Giants team switching to the 3-4, but Kiwi and Sintim look like ideal OLBs in a 3-4, and it seems like Tuck and Canty have the size/strength to handle 3-4 DE. Boley fits in as an ILB in the 3-4. I think the big drawback is they don’t have the needed NT.
I just commented on the other blog..
Switching to a 3-4 is impossible with the guys we have..This team is a 4-3 built team..period..To switch to a 3-4 would take 2 years at least to get established…It ain’t going to happen..Trying to convert to a 3-4 would be a near-term disaster…We need a guy to come in and fine -tune what we’ve got..a 4-3 team..or commit to a 2-year re-vamp on defense.
Amen BB
Obviously these guys missed my thorough & authoritative analysis of defensive personnel in the Jauron post
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
I agree
Just posting an examination as to what we have and what the possibility is. IMHO going to the 3-4 would be a step back and a year or two to come together and be dominant.
It is definitely a romantic look back at our incredible defense of the ’80’s, though.
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Tampa 2
Just out of curiosity, why do people object so strongly to the Tampa 2? As far as I know, it’s a scheme that works well when you have a front-4 that generates consistent pressure, and the Giants aren’t too far off there… Tuck, Kiwi, and the return of health to some of the other defensive linemen should give the Giants the necessary push up front.
From where I sit, they’re just a safety away from having the personnel, and who knows? Maybe Ross could be converted full-time in the offseason…
THe pressure wasn't there for the most part from the front four
could come back, maybe. But you also need fast LB’s of which we currently have one (think Derrick Brooks), and fast safeties that can smartly get to the correct spot, of which we may possibly have one. I’m not a fan of any zone at all, I absolutely hate watching a guy cover a patch of dirt while people run free around him.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 5, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
the knock on tampa 2
has always that its been soft in the middle. a team with solid options in the slot and tight end can exploit it
sounds like the eagles and cowboys
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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Good safties
John Lynch TB. . . Bob Sanders Indy . . .. Mike Brown Bears. . . .
lots of zone coverage. Also our CB’s were drafted to play more man coverage.
I also am not on the Jauron bandwagon for two reasons
A) we bemoaned all season about Sheridan’s lack of fire and creativity, ummm did anyone watch any Bills games the last three years? Jauron barely shows a pulse, and his schemes were very vanilla with the Bills.
B) Mention the possibility of us hiring Jauron to any die hard Bills fan and they immediately begin laughing so hard tears come.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Jan 5, 2010 7:18 PM EST reply actions
I'm calling bullshit
there are no Bills fans left, so “B” is obviously a lie. /joking
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 6, 2010 10:04 AM EST up reply actions
Being a DC for the Giants would be the last straw?
seriously . . . this guy has failed as a HC twice. . . . Is he expecting a HC job? Outside of a HC job the best thing he’s suited for is DC, what else is left for this guy. . . I mean realy TC would not offer the job to “help him out” in fact it would be the opposite DJ would be saving TC’s ass. . . I mean pride is one thing but my god get a handle on reality. I don’t think I’m offbase with my assesment
your right
TC is not in any position to “help someone out”
I think his phone should be ringing off the hook from coaches who would LOVE to coach for a team that doesnt meddle in the head coach and gm decision making and supports them
there are few NFL teams that the owner lets the coaches coach
yeah Landeta
F Jauron… we ain’t anybody’s last resort…. have fun coaching in College, Dick!
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by Simms-McConkey on Jan 6, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
The pride reason can’t be overestimated. He wants to land a job on merit not as a favor or courtesy. Going back to the guy that gave you your first break is just like getting your first break again and he doesn’t want to do that. I can understand that though I don’t agree with it.
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by MattRichWarren on Jan 6, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions
3-4
They had no pass rush and couldn’t stop the run or defend WRs in the secondary and people think tweaks will fix things?
At first I didn’t think much about the idea of switching to 3-4 but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. Osi and Kiwi are physically better suited to play the 3-4. Canty would be back in his natural position. Tuck would easily make the switch. Cofield would stay as a utility guy across the line to give some breathers, as would Alford assuming a good recovery. Robbins, Bernard, Tollefson, all gone. Let Sintim, Boley, Goff, and Blackburn duke it out for an inside LB spot and keep the second best as a backup. Find a NT somewhere (I realize that’s a tough one) and pickup another LB in the draft or FA. It could work and certainly isn’t outlandish.
Word via Twitter:
The Associated Press (via @APTCan) reports ex-Bills coach Perry Fewell will interview for the Giants D-coordinator job on Thursday.
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I like that. . .
I don’t know a ton about the guy but from what I read he seems like a promising young coach. That would be a good direction for the Giants.
How is he viewed by the Buffalo fans and media?
nice.
I guess it will have to do if Jauron is being this way.
…tho maybe Jauron feels that Fewell should get a fair shot.
N8 !
About RV's article and list of canidates
Does anyone else know when Juaron turned down TC for DC with the Giants? 04? 07?
RV also mentions Capers turned TC down in 07 did Juaron too was he at Buffalo yet? I remeber in 07 Capers and most expierenced guys wanted now part of the job becasue they all thought TC was going to get fired after the 07 season so they did not want to stay somwhere for only one season. Spags being a little desperate jumped at it.
RV also states they could still interview Capers, I don’t know how considering he’s under contract, he also states they would have to switch to a 3-4? I know Capers is a 3-4 guy but he’s run 4-3 before and I think he did it when he was with TC in JAX, not sure though. Also Capers would have to be made HC in waiting, really, I’m not sure I like that.
RV stated the Romeo was no longer a lock for KC, which seems very wierd to me. I would love to bring Romeo in but again he’s a pure 3-4 guy so I’m not sure he would fit. Peper Johnson? Not sure but it would be cool, gotta love Pepper.
No way on Sutton. I don’t want a Jet retread. Their D was average until Rex Ryan came in, Rex is running the D not Sutton.
how can anyone say the redskins D has been good the past couple of years?????
WE SCORED 40+ POINTS ON THEM, SO DID A BUNCH OF OTHER TEAMS!!!!!
Here are some comparisons from Washington's D the last few years
Let’s use Points Against (PA):
2009: Giants: 427, Washington: 336.
2008: Giants: 294. Washington: 296.
2007: Giants: 351. Washington: 310.
2006: Giants: 362. Washington: 376.
So based solely on Points Against you could argue that the Washington “D” was better than
that of the Giants over the same time period.
As far as giving up 40 points or more this year:
Giants: 6 times this season.
Washington: 1 time and that was against the Giants.
As I mentioned on an earlier post on BBV: I would take a serious look at
Greg Blache the current “D” Coordinator in Washington rather than their LB coach.
Someone mentioned earlier that Blache was all smoke and mirror. I have no idea what that means but if it means giving up less points then we did this year bring on the smoke and mirrors.
Plus Blache did this with less talent than we have on the Giants currently.
Dick Sutton
As a 40+ year Army Football season ticket holder I can attest to Coach Suttons skills, both as a strategist & tactician.
He put together in 1996 one of the most remarkable Army Football teams in recent memory.
He’d immediately command the respect of the players
Brazil wrote:
“under Eric Mangini between 2006 and 2008 and did not work so well”
Nuff said
There was another Giants Defensive Coordinator that was an assistant at West Point. Maybe you heard of him…..maybe not……Bill "Tuna"Parcells
We could do a lot worse than Coach Sutton & probably will
New DC
How about Michael Strahan. He is just what the D needs. No one takes plays off or gives less than 100% if a Strahan type is in the driver’s seat. But I’d settle for Pepper
By the way, I watched this Sam Swank Kid for 4 years at Wake Forest and he consistantly put the ball out of the back of the End zone on kickoffs. He was also automatic on 50-54 Field Goals
not strahan.....
PEPPER…THE GUYS BEEN COACHING IN NE FOR 10 YRS. AND THAT IS AN ON POINT AGGRESSIVE DEF THAT JUST GETS IT DONE.5 RINGS MAKES HIM A WINNER!!!!!!
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