A little more about Kerry Rhodes
by Ed Valentine on Jan 27, 2010 12:11 PM EST
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PrintOn the heels of our discussion this morning about Kerry Rhodes and Osi Umenyiora, I reached out to John Butchko of Gang Green Nation for some thoughts on Rhodes.
Here is what he had to say about the five-year veteran safety.
He hasn't been the same player since he got his pay day. In 2006 and 2007 he was playing at a Pro Bowl level and making impact plays all over the field. He was effective as a blitzer and forced turnovers. The past two years have brought very few impact plays. Jim Leonhard, the other safety, had a nose for the ball and always seemed to be in the middle of big plays.
I love PFF as much as anybody, but they really missed the mark on this one. If Rhodes was the 11th best safety in the league against the run this year, I've got some Everglades swampland to sell them. He shies away from contact. You have to remember the evaluations they make are subjective. His coaches watched the same film midseason and decided to bench him. Also PFF gave him a negative rating for the San Diego Playoff game when he played great. Again, I love the site and use it a lot, but they're not infallible.
He was pretty good in coverage, though. I'm not sure whether Fewell's going to install a Cover 2 scheme with the Giants, but Kerry would probably be a good fit there.
One last thing. Rhodes had problems with Rex Ryan, who is the ultimate players' coach. I'm not sure how he'd work with Tom Coughlin.
Thanks, John. Umm ... anybody else feel like changing their vote on this one?
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I voted no...
so I’m sticking with that :)
Straight up? Absolutely not. A pass rusher holds more value, even Osi.
If they got Gholston and a high pick in the deal (2nd, maybe 3rd?), fine by me. Or maybe just swapped our 4th for their 3rd?
Rhodes, even whatever he was in 2009…is better then what the Giants got..so I’d still love to make some sort of deal. But not straight up.
From the Jets side…the question is if Osi is a 3-4 OLB? He can’t cover. But he LOVES to fly up the field with his head chopped off…which could work in a 3-4 blitzing scheme like Rexy’s.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
+1000
I wouldn’t have to change my vote either because there is no way I am doing this kind of deal. Plus the Fat Man does not like Rhodes as a player anyway so we should not give up very much for him. At this point Rhodes would be our best safety so I think we should keep an eye on his status with the Jets.
I would not take Gholston though, from what I hear it’s his attitude that is the problem, he has no fire in his belly and that can’t be taught.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 27, 2010 12:29 PM EST up reply actions
On Gholston...
possibly like all involved, a change of scenery could be all that’s needed.
It would give the Giants a talented project to work with in place of Osi. He’d be in the 4-3, his natural scheme.
Gholston’s problem could just be that he’s discouraged at being place as a OLB and not a down lineman.
Merely just a throw in..I’m sure the Jets and their fans have no problem getting rid of him.
Either Osi +4/5th rounder for the Rhodes, Gholston + 3rd (maybe 2nd) rounder.
Not straight up.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 27, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions
What FreeBrad said.
There’s nothing wrong with Osi a good DC can’t fix. I mean, he’s never going to be Carl Banks against the run, but NOBODY remembers seven sacks of McNabb? Osi can still play. Trade him for a a used safety? Definitely not straight up. Better come with some picks.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Gholston sounds like Willie Joe II
They guy had a fresh start this year, Fat Bastard made him his pet project, brought in a specialist to work with him, (don’t forget they brought in LT to work with Gholston his rookie year) Gholston started the first 5 games of the season, even though he showed nothing in camp. He produced nothing, the Jets are about to cut him anyway why should we trade for him, when we can probably pick him up for nothing this year or next.
I would give the jets a 4/5 rounder for Rhodes and thats it, no way do I include Osi unless I am gettting a 2nd or 3rd rounder with Rhodes.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 27, 2010 1:27 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt mind getting Rhodes
But, I dont think i want to trade Osi just yet. However If We Got The Deal Free is talking about i would very happy with that
Jerry Reese’s priority has been to stock up at the front 4first and foremost, then trust his scouting prowess to find his guys in the secondary. With Secondaries master Perry Fewell in the house, don’t expect this to change. I like the depth at DE, and think it could be the key to returning to dominant form (not to mention, it could make the safeties better). I wouldn’t want Reese to change his approach just yet.
he has to tweak his approach.
Previous Years he has tried to draft players and try and turn them into something instead of drafting players who are already ready for that position. He needs to Draft players who can make an immediate impact, and sign players who also can make an immediate impact incase of injuries.
I voted no
Def no to a straight up trade. Rhodes would be an upgrade to the safety position, but I’d rather have Antoine Bethea, OJ Atogwe in FA, or Berry/Thomas in the draft.
Awaiting the draft :/
Gholston
Pre-draft it was said that he could be a combine phenom, great measure-ables rotten football player. I have seen nothing to dissuade that.
such a shame
to be blessed with those skills and do nothing with them.
Give me work release or give me death - #17
by Plaxico Burress on Jan 27, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
Dont trade for anybody
the jets will probablt cut both of them…maybe a 3rd for rhodes thats it
????????
Ed you were the one who said you would do it in a heart beat, like i said it would be a good trade for both teams in terms of need but i think in the long run the jets get a steal. osi would thrive in a 34 system at ROLB.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Also
taylor mays, rolle…… and the sleepers i dnt think we jump the gun for a safety unless it is beryy…………..1st pick has to be for rolando mcclain
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
can we please?
Myron Rolle has been out of football for a year. Even when he played..he was a borderline 3rd rounder. He might be good…but nothing more then a fringe 5th-7th round player.
Taylor Mays can’t cover for his life. He’s basically CC Brown (CC ran a 4.4 40….).
Earl Thomas, Chad Jones, Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Major Wright, Myron Lewis (CB should convert to S).
1st, 2nd, 3rd 4th round guys. All can cover. All can lay the wood (pause).
I don’t want a safety who’s MAJOR RED FLAG is deep coverage. I also don’t want one who hasn’t played football in over a year.
I wouldn’t take Taylor Mays in the 5th round……
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 27, 2010 2:24 PM EST up reply actions
Safety spot
I doubt Mays will be there in the 5th round (obviously) however Myron Rolle might, I don’t think anybody wants to use a high pick on him. Rolle missed this last year because he accepted a Rhodes Scholarship, not because of injury or bad charachter. Which means this guy should have a very high football IQ so the year should not scare us away from kicking the tires and taking him mid draft or later.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 27, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
Major Wright...
…kinda scares me. He’s one of those guys who’s always right there…just after the opponent makes the catch. Which would make him feel right at home on the 2009 Giants, but I don’t think we want to see the 2009 Giants ever again.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
He seems like one of those guys
that gets better in the pros.
He’s surrounded by supremely talented players like Jarvaris Jenkins, Will Hill and Joe Haden (a secondary that would probably be better then the Giants 2009 version…)
He gets overshadowed, yet, makes plays, is fast and can tackle.
If they decided safety’s not worth a 1st or 2nd, in the 3rd round, Major would be a good choice, along with Nate Allen.
I just don’t like the idea of guys who can’t cover(Mays) or players who, even when they played 2 seasons ago, weren’t all that good.
Myron Rolle at best was a 3rd round pick when he played. After not playing for a year…there’s a chance he goes undrafted.
Oxford smarts don’t always play out to NFL smarts.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 27, 2010 6:33 PM EST up reply actions
Rolle's draft position
will be highly influenced by his play at Senior Bowl. If he looks good, he might be a 3d rounder, otherwise he is a 6th -7th rounder. Unlikely he will go un-drafted, someone will use a 7th rounder on him.
Consider Julian Edleman, last years most productive 7th rounder, he was drafted after Pats picked a long snapper. Kind of says they were scraping at the bottom.
by giantblue63 on Jan 28, 2010 11:48 AM EST up reply actions
We don't know that
But yeah, it doesn’t sound good if you want him so far
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Osi is the man
he had one bad year, after a year out due to injury.
with an offseason full of squats and deadlifts, a new DC to motivate him, and a fresh uninjured JT on the other side.. Osi will reign supreme again in 2010
Give me work release or give me death - #17
by Plaxico Burress on Jan 27, 2010 2:22 PM EST reply actions
Winston Justice is no longer a cream puff
I suspect we will not see osi go any better than 6 sacks (unless he sells out the run constantly like he did this year).
Just Say No
There is no way I would trade Osi for Rhodes. I think Osi has gotten a bad rap this year and I expect him to play better next season. I think the departure of Sheridan will help him tremendously. I’m not a fan for trading Osi at all but if they did, I think trading him to Coach Spags for the number one overall pick would be about right.
GO NY GIANTS!!
kerry will be cut this offseason and even if he wasn't.....
I say hell no to that one!His sack and forced fumble #‘s compare favorably to many of Stray’s seasons,his tackle #‘s do no but it is true,he isn’t that good against the run.But tell me who will we get to force all those fumbles?
i made my position clear already on GGN
i didn’t think this would be such an interesting topic on here or else i would’ve posted it.
Interesting topic
Man, you just never know what will strike a chord. Especially during the off-season.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 27, 2010 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
It has just been a very lot of fun talking back and forth with all of you guys
And I hope we just bridge between now and September..I tend to try to throw in a little humor in to this series, but it really is Ed that keeps the fire burning..It never goes out on BBV thanks to him..My Super Bowl is actually news that Landetas daughter is born healthy and ready to become a Giants fan..We have presents for her..Our first cheerleader…
No Way
Kerry is on the way out the door, you could get him on the free agent market after the jets cut him, this off season. Osi will be needed more now in P-Fuels new scheme only bring pressure with the front 4 in cover 2. Osi wasn’t fully healthly this year after his knee injury. Wait it out and u could get Kerry at a cheaper price KEEP OSI
good point...
Osi + Rhodes (as a FA) is probably a better idea…probably more likely too…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 28, 2010 3:58 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not sure about Rhodes
but if they cut Gholston I wouldn’t mind Reese taking a flier on him. Under Tuck’s guidance theres no way he would stay unproductive.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 27, 2010 11:25 PM EST reply actions
im stick it with osi too
the only reason why im sticking with Osi is cause most players that come back from a knee injury don’t so well when they come back but i think this upcoming season we’ll have good ol’ Osi back
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