Water-cooler talk: Umenyiora for Rhodes?

LOL not going to happen. imagine…….rhodes with KP back there. that would deffinatly beef up our D

but if someone like Gaines Adams is getting a 2nd round pick…Osi’s gonna command a lot more then that. Like better then Shockey’s 2nd and 5th.

Rhodes is good. He was one of the few that seemed to not take to Rexy’s motivation. I think his starting spot was taken away for a good while because he “thought he was better then what he was told”.

Sound familiar?

I’d do this trade. They can get more then just a straight up deal tho. They could probably get a 2nd rounder out of this.

is a lot like everyone else’s perception of Osi.

Both team’s fans, and probably coaches, know the player isn’t as good as his rep says. At least 2009 Kerry Rhodes isn’t.

Osi, I think we could get more value than Rhodes. Trade him for draft picks, so we can have some depth and future to this team.

we’re stacked at DE even without umenyiora, who has become more of a liability than a force coming off the edge, and theres desperate need at the safety position on this giants team. theres no way i see this trade actually happening, but i agree with ed, before tannenbaum even finishes his sentence reese should click ‘yes’ and alert the media as soon as possible.

The Jet fans would consider the trade
They lose Rhodes,
Lito Shepard is probably gone
leaving them real thin with Revis,Lowry and Coleman
Replacing him via free agency would be tough with them going as deep in the playoffs as they did
You would think they learned from their older brothers problems in the secondary

It took Rhodes being benched for him to start playing to his ability. The talent is there, but he is unmotivated an is already trying to establish an entertainment career.

His first 2 Interceptions didn’t come until week 12 against the Panthers, a game in which Delhomme threw 4 picks. His other 1 was against rookie Josh Freeman, who threw 3 in that game. 9 of his 13 passes defensed came after the Jets week 9 bye. His production clearly didn’t pick up until after the benching. He’s an Aaron Ross type who is just not that into the game. He already has been in 2 movies, one of which is in post-production so it was probably filmed within the last year. Now thats wonderful for him, but it makes me think he’s just another selfish player who is unmotivated and would rather be a movie star than play football. I even read in an article in the Daily News which said that after the Jets Loss to Atlanta (and Rex Ryan stated they were out of the playoffs), Rhodes was out partying that same night and didn’t look bothered at all. There are too many red flags.

I dont think I would. If we traded Osi we we would need to draft another DE that can rotate in so Tuck and Kiwi dont get worn down as they did in 2008. Canty can play DE, but he certainly isnt a pass rushing force. I think signing and drafting a S is the best way.

Praying for KP to be 100% healthy cant hurt.

But here is a quote from Perry Fewell about his style of defense. I think a couple people on this site have said that they heard Fewell make similar comments.

“I like to run a defense that’s multiple,” Fewell said. "Multiple in that they’re fundamentally sound, good tacklers and aggressive. Coverage-wise it can be flexible. It can be Tampa 2, Cover 2, it can be a lot of different things. . . . I think we [need to] take advantage of what our talent level does. And if it is more of an attacking style, blitz style of defense, that’s what we’ll do.

Good to know he is willing to adapt.

Ed says Jet fans like the trade because they think Osi is better than he really is because they don’t see Osi play every week. He said, “…misunderstanding fans who don’t see Umenyiora play every week have regarding his current ability level.”

Then Ed comes back and makes comments on how good Rhodes is after he admits he doesn’t watch Rhodes every week and bases his argument off of pure numbers. He says, “I’m no expert when it comes to judging Rhodes’ play, so I am just turning to the numbers to form an opinion.”

How does this make sense? He’s acting just like the Jet fans that want Osi. It’s hypocritical.

Defensive schemes aside, Osi had more sacks (7.0) this year than both of the Jets d-ends Ellis (6.5) and Douglas (1.5). You can make stats say anything you want (Osi had much fewer tackles than Ellis).

This trade won’t happen and it’s silly to even propose it in my opinion, but it makes for entertainment during the beginning of a long offseason.

Rhodes numbers indicate a high level of play and Osi’s numbers indicate an atrocious level of play.

I think the argument is that as Giants fans we knew Osi had a bad year and the statistics back that up. Jets fans are down on Rhodes but the numbers indicate he had a pretty good year. Not that numbers are everything, but i think that is where the argument is made.

I agree. Both players did have very disappointing seasons. I didnt watch alot of the Jets until the end of the season, but by all accounts he wasnt playing up to his level. A coach doesnt bench a guy playing at the top of his game.

And don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying Rhodes wouldn’t be a great player in the Giants secondary. All I was bringing up was that making judgments on numbers alone doesn’t always work. Again, Jet fans thought Rhodes would be the second coming of Ed Reed and when it didn’t happen, it was a disappointment. Wherever Rhodes goes, he’ll do good, but Rhodes for Osi won’t happen.

Right, you can never use just the stats to make the most informed argument and the trade wont happen. Rhodes would upgrade our secondary but Osi doesnt fit with the Jets. He doesnt seem like a natural rush LB and definitely couldnt hold up at end.

Osi is still our best pass rusher @ DE and is often double teamed.

Rhodes is an overrated safety that thinks me > team

but we really need someone who can play the run and the pass effectively from the DE position, and we didn’t get that from Osi this year. I’m not opposed to keeping him for one more season. It will be interesting to see if he will return to what he was, because I personally don’t buy the ‘mental’ excuse stuff. I also don’t like to have a “situational” player if I don’t have to, so if he doesn’t improve substantially, put him on the market .
For now, though, keep him and give him a chance.

Would it be worth trading up to get him or stay at 15 and draft the best available player?

I say we trade Eli for Leonord Weaver, cause he’s a better at FB than Eli is at QB. Actually, I don’t think this trade is a bad as my sarcastic remark may make it seem, but I am still of the belief that DE is a critical position, more so than safety. Yes, I know safety play was atrocious this year (d-line play wasn’t exactly inspiring either), and Osi had a bad year, but I believe he can turn it around and I’d rather address our safety needs through means that don’t deplete our d-line depth.

Osi has no place in Rex’s 3-4. No way could he play DE in a 3-4, and as a linebacker, he’d be out of place.

I’d see what else we could steal from the jets, but Osi for Rhodes straight up? I’d take that in a heartbeat.

Rhode’s down year is still better than our safeties were this year.

Osi would be very good in the jets scheme as an outside backer, he would excel. as theeir outside backers arent used to cover much, also Kerry would solidify our safety position just incase KP is not the same. all you people are crazy to think Osi has to be traded for what gaines went for. the NFL is moving away from that ever since dallas gave up everything for Roy Williams. the system is out of whack players should be traded based on their individual worth not what someone at their position went for before them.

get off the PFF stuff and watch the games please. the jets might actually be getting the most out of this trade Osi had seven sacks and led the NFL in fumble recoveries all in the first yr back from knee surgery. Osi however needs to put pride aside and understand that Kiwi out performed him this year and even gave up his RE spot on 3rd dwn to move inside and let osi and sintim rush from the outside……..(Side note)- Ed i tink you said Kiwi was inaffective as a DT on 3rd dwn but thats also very wrong if u watched the games his stunts were always used to free up tuck on the inside, he actually commanded double teams and that is the point of having him inside thats why TC always mentions KIWI’s UNSELFISH play on the line and he also had 70+ tackles so he was actually quite effective.

for Rhodes and Revis