New York Giants position breakdowns: Safety
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 8:29 AM EST
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Let's move on the final defensive position in our series of position-by-position breakdowns for he New York Giants. That would be safety, and it is a position where I think we all agree the Giants were atrocious in 2009.
Once Kenny Phillips went down for the season after just two games with an arthritic condition in his knee the Giants never found a way to even adequately replace him. The pitiful safety play is the primary reason the Giants surrendered 61 passing plays of more than 20 yards in 2009, including 10 plays of more than 40 yards. Over and over, their safeties proved to either not know what they were doing or to be incapable of making a play even when they somehow got into position.
'Bad, Bad C.C. Brown' embarrassed himself, and we all want him run out of town as quickly as possible. Have a nice career in the UFL, C.C. Amazingly, though, statistically Brown was not even close to being the worst of the Giants safeties.
According to Pro Football Focus, there were 87 safeties who played at least 25% of their team's snaps in 2009. How bad were the Giants safeties? In PFF's pass coverage grades, three of the Giants safeties ranked in the bottom seven among those 87 players. Ouch!
So, let's hold our collectives noses and look individually at each of the guys who tried to play this position. It is going to be painful, but it is necessary.
Kenny Phillips: His loss for the season after just two games to patellofemoral arthritis was, quite possibly, the most devastating blow the Giants suffered all season. Everyone around the Giants figured Phillips, in his second season, was headed for stardom. Unfortunately, it may also be a devastating blow to the future of their defense. Phillips underwent what was believed to be micro-fracture surgery on the knee, but his future is cloudy. Let's face it, an arthritic condition is one that will never improve and most reports I have read say surgery is only sometimes helpful.
So, if you are counting on Phillips being 100% healthy in 2010 -- and being the same player he showed signs of becoming -- don't. It might happen, but it is more likely that Phillips' career will be shorter and that his mobility will be affected by the condition of his knee.
It is unfortunate, but in my mind the Giants need to plan for 2010 as though Phillips will not be in the lineup. If he is, great.
C.C. Brown: Let's deal with this one and be done with it. Just like we have to hope the Giants are done with him. Jerry Reese's signing of Brown as a free agent is probably the most bone-headed move of Reese's tenure as general manager. Call him 'Bad, Bad' or 'Can't Cover,' or whatever you want. Brown is clearly not an NFL safety. Yes, he was third on the Giants with 49 solo tackles, but that is mostly because offensive game plans pretty much amounted to finding Brown and throwing the ball in his direction whenever he was on the field.
According to PFF, Brown was -10.6 against the pass. That is 82nd in the league. He was -10.4 overall, 76th in the league. Want one more number to show how awful Brown was? Quarterbacks had a 142.6 rating throwing in his direction, and only Jacksonville safety Reggie Nelson was worse. At least he did play the run fairly well (+2.1), but he clearly is a player who cannot be brought back in 2010.
Michael Johnson: As much as we screamed at our televisions while watching Brown, we probably should have been directing as much -- or more -- of our ire at Johnson. Check Johnson's numbers for the past two seasons and you can conclude just one thing -- he is one of the worst safeties in the league.
Maybe it is only because the Giants finally got Brown off the field, but Johnson's PFF grades actually make Brown's look almost acceptable.
in 2009, Johnson was -19.9 overall, 85th out of the 87 safeties playing 25% of snaps. That included -11.2 against the pass, even worse than Brown. Quarterbacks had a 133.0 rating throwing at him.
If you think that was just a poor season for the three-year player, think again. His 2008 numbers? A -15.0 grade, 79th out of 83 safeties playing 25% of snaps.
Johnson is atrocious in pass coverage. Either out of position too often due to a mis-read, or not fast enough to get where he needs to be at other times. As a run defender, he is again either out of position too often or missing too many tackles.
Aaron Rouse: Rouse is a little bit difficult to judge. Green Bay released the third-year player because they were tired of watching him make coverage mistakes and take poor angles on running plays. He made some of those same mistakes with the Giants, but I am also inclined to believe some of Rouse's struggles in New York came as a result of trying to find his way with a new team in mid-season.
Rouse was -9.8 against the pass (81st in the league) and -11.8 overall (78th). Oddly, though, quarterbacks had just a 68.2 rating throwing in his direction.
Of all the players who received significant playing time in 2009, I think I would have the least problem with Rouse being brought back and given an opportunity to compete for a roster spot.
Aaron Ross: I talked about Ross in the cornerback discussion, but he also has to be considered here. After all, in the three games his hamstring did allow him to play he was at safety. He was hardly tremendous there, but he was adequate at an unfamilar spot. If he can ever get healthy he would provide more speed and better coverage skills than Johnson, Rouse or Brown from the safety position. Moving him there, or using him as a hybrid corner/safety in the nickel and dime defensive packages is an intriguing option for new defensive coordinator Perry Fewell.
Sha'reef Rashad: Spent most of the season on the practice squad, being signed to the active roster for the final game of the season. The Giants like his intelligence and athleticism and he will likely be given a chance to compete for a roster spot. Vince Anderson, another safety who spent 2009 on the practice squad, may get the same opportunity.
Keep: Phillips, Ross
Dump: Brown, Johnson
Let 'em compete: Rouse, Rashad, Anderson
Draft/Free Agency Priority (1 being the highest, 5 the lowest): 1. The Giants must address this position. No doubt.
- Wide receiver
- Tight end
- Offensive line
- Running back
- Fullback
- Quarterback
- Defensive tackle
- Defensive end
- Middle linebacker
- Cornerback
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It's obviously necessary
to either sign an UFA or draft a safety in the first three rounds (possibly both)
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what about rhodes from the jets??
what do you think about rhodes…seems to be a good run stopper and looked ok in coverage.. seems to be a ny guy
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 26, 2010 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
I thin Mike Johnson needs to be thrown in the "let em compete" column
He was solid in the past..but horrible last year, like everyone else. He probably deserves to get a shot instead of outright cutting him. In no way does he deserve a starting spot, he’s got to earn it..
Overall, you can make a case they have zero safeties on the roster…so, can the draft/FA priority on this one be zero?
…I hope Darren Sharper wants to give back to the Giants…he’d be a nice addition…
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Just about to say that
Ed painted a grimm looking breakdown, and you come away with the sense that we need to start over to a degree. Nothing at this point is guaranteed, KP’s health all the way down to the PS pups!
Start over
That’s sort of how I feel. I am way, way down on Michael Johnson. He has played significant snaps for two seasons now, and it is clear that he is terrible. There just is not one safety on the roster you can look at and feel 100% confident in.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
it'll be real tough to do that...
I’d have no problem with cutting Johnson…
KP will be back, but you can’t expect much.
I’m all aboard the Darren Sharper bandwagon…if he’s a FA, I’d overspend a bit for him. Not the fastest guy…but they got away with James Butler back there. Sharper’s a tough bastard too…and a leader…possibly the perfect FA signing.
Even if they get Sharper….they need to draft high on safety.
THe reason they’re stuck with Johnson in the first place…other then KP, Johnson was a 6th rounder?!!!!!!!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
IMO, we were stuck period
With who we had. The only reason we retained those guys was because they had a pulse. There were no street FA’s worth it, the waiver wire didn’t have anything, though coincidentally, thats how we got Rouse, with mixed results. Even back to Johnson, he was already here, throw him in there and hope for the best …..
I remember someone asking for them
to get Bernard Pollard when he was cut by the Chiefs, who turned out to be very good for the Texans.
They’re out there…I think JR got caught with his pants down a bit….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 9:26 AM EST up reply actions
maybe they tried signing him
but he chose the texans instead
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
I didn't realize
M. Johnson was that bad, based on PFF criteria. One thing is certain, he’s been consistently bad. I also agree with the level of confidence.
me neither...
I thought he was a fairly solid player…
I think its pretty obvious…given all these #1 FA/draft priority’s….they NEED TO TRADE DOWN!!!
Multiple times if possible in multiple rounds….just acquire about 15 picks!! Exaggerrating a bit…not much tho..
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
PFF
Basically grades like this:
0 for making a play you are supposed to make.
+1 for making an above-average play
-1 for messing up a play you are supposed to make.
So, any way you slice it Johnson is terrible.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 9:07 AM EST up reply actions
His first year
He made tackles that saved big plays from happening it’s amazing how far he fell off…
All's Well that Fewell
There seems to be a lack of talent
As much as I would like to see these guys get another chance
I realize the “Homerizm” of a fan wanting more from sub par players
and now is the time clean house and start over
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
I think
Start over is the wrong term. In order to start over you must be somewhere in the first place.
by mypisceannature on Jan 25, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
It's the team's biggest weakness
It’ll be interesting to see how JR addresses it. I suspect he’ll go the FA route and use the higher draft picks for other D positions.
I hope he goes by any means necessary...
cuz going by the past…KP was the only one he truly tried to address the position. Mike Johnson was a late round pick…Gibril Wilson was before JR’s time (and possibly a FA? bring him back? YES!). Others were FA retreads and UDFA like James Butler…
The good thing about our new DC (and hopefully his praises will be sung until this time next year.. :) is that someone by the name of George Wilson, a UDFA a few years ago, checking that football focus link from Ed’s writeup…was the 4th best safety in all the land.
So…if anyone’s gonna turn the Giants CRAP TO GOLD…it will be Perry Fewell.
Cuz I doubt that as a raw prospect, George Wilson is any better then Michael Johnson….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 9:17 AM EST up reply actions
Gibril??
Every time I saw him this year he was getting smoked
Even Al Davis knew when to cut ties with him
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
anything's better then what we got...
and going by those safety rankings again…Gibril was 15th in all the league. Not very good in coverage..so I see what you’re saying (but a WHOLE LOT better then who we got…)
Not saying get him at all costs…but if he’s out there..why not?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
exactly
At this point I am missing James Butler, in fact I think JB is the only reason that Michael Johnson looked good last year, becasue he was aliegning the secondary.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 25, 2010 9:55 AM EST up reply actions
I say bring Gibril back!
It has always been my opinion that Gibril should’ve never taken off that blue uni. can’t blame either side tho, he followed the money, and i can’t knock anyone for that. and the giants couldn’t afford what Al was willing to pay. i wonder tho if in his heart Gibril now regrets leaving such a great org. for the C.R.E.A.M.?
A few things about Gibril we need to keep in mind tho:
- His rookie season we(at least me and my Giants friends) were looking at him quite like we look at KP now. In his rookie season of ’04 (in just 8 games) he had 56 tkls, 3 sacks, 3 picks, and 1 FF.
- I’d also dispute what Greg A. said about Al Davis cutting bait due to performance. As a matter of fact, you can argue that that was the best season of Gibril’s career, as he put up a career’s best in tkls with 129, 1.5 sacks, 1 safety, 2 picks, and forced one fumble and recovered 3. If i were to guess it wasn’t for his performance, but rather the cap hit they might have been ready to hit if they didn’t do something.
Last year i agree he stunk it up, surprisingly so, but he still ended the season with 93 tackles, and tied his career high with 8 PD. he’s only 28, so i say, if the Dolphins cut bait, bring him in here. he knows the organization, he knows the head coach, alot of the players still, it would be a good fit.
Gibril
Looking at PFF his overall rating for 2008 was -7.4 in 2009 it went up to a +2.0
Al Davis gave Gibril crazy money why I have no idea
My point about Gibril is we have had such bad saftey play over the last few years that someone who IMO is adequate at best looks much better than he really is.
I could be dead wrong but tackle stats at that position can be greatly influinced by the guy blowing his coverage allowing the reciever to catch the ball and then tackling him
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
when we last saw Gibril he was more than adequate
but you are right, tackles are a misleading stat. It could also be because of bad linemen/linebacker play. they say its bad when safeties lead the team in tackles. however we all know that Gibril likes to play close to the line and is always around the pile. point is, we know what he is. its not like you just read blind stats off of the net and go off that. we have the added bonus of the memory of what he bought to the team, and more than likely they’ll cut bait with him in Miami, so why not bring him back to where it all started? from what they say Fewell is good with DB so who better to bring the best out of Gibril than him?
Well, Oakland has been horrible against the run
So Gibril did lead the team in tackles in ‘08. Coincidentally, his replacement, Tyvon Branch, a rookie was second in tackles (119) behind Kirk Morrison’s 133 this year. But sometimes just because a S may be up there among leaders in tackles, it could be misleading overall. The scheme or the player themselves have a knack for being around the ball!
George Wilson
Played well for Fewell in Buffalo. In an uncapped year he would be a restricted free agent. It would make a lot of sense for the Giants to make a run at the guy, but the uncapped year makes it less likely they would be able to land him.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
I'd like to have him...
but I guess my point is…with a guy like Fewell, even while we all scream at the top of our lungs to go out and get a safety…..he can turn whatever’s here into NFL players….even Mike Johnson.
I just hope JR doesn’t put too many eggs in that idea’s basket…cuz it seems they’ve been trying that for years nd now they have no depth at all of course..
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
I would rather see
JR fly out to American Samoa and find some undrafted free agents and bring them back for offseason workouts,Preferably one those long hair Polamalu types
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
FA
Nothing will be decided on the FA front until the CBA decision comes down. It turns so many UFAs into RFAs that it will completely change the trade/draft landscape. Ed, do you know when the deadline for a new CBA is?
CBA Deadline
Is March of 2011. However, under the current CBA is there is no extension prior to the start of 2010 free agency that season (which is the upcoming one) is uncapped. So, if there is no deal in the next few weeks it will be uncapped.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 9:27 AM EST up reply actions
It's amazing how poorley the Giants
have done with defensive positions over the years yet they won a SB and had a solid D for a good part of that 4 year playoff run, I mean we suck at saftey and LB and have for years and we’ve been unable to draft anyone good (outside of KP) at any of those positions. It’s really begining to worry me.
It is a disturbing pattern
The offense has been built through the draft, most of the DL has, our CB’s have been, only the LB’s and S’s are middle to late round picks. Even Gibril Wilson was a 5th, i think. Years of neglect has finally caught up? To some degree, absolutely!
definitely need to trade back...
hopefully acquiring another 2nd and maybe another lower round pick…
multiple picks…2LB’s, 2S’s, with of course DT, OL and RB sprinkled in…
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 10:22 AM EST up reply actions
I actually think Rouse can be usable
not as a starter right now, but he showed signs of actually having some skill. Brown and Johnson should just start packing now, I don’t think either gets back onto the team.
is it stupid to ask
does he have any LB potential in a Tampa 2?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I wonder the same...
It seems he may have the size and didn’t I hear he was a LB in college? Could be worth a look.
That's harder to do
than it seems.. The Texans have been trying to do it with Darnell Bing for like four years.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Jan 25, 2010 11:03 AM EST up reply actions
My observation
C.C. brown was horrible in coverage yes but he was great in the box which he was brought in to do. The Giants made a mistake by having him slide over and play FS in place of KP, johnson shouldve slid over to FS or have rouse play it and CC should be in at SS on 1st and 2nd dwn and thats obvious. he was singled out for bad safety play all around but strangely i would not dump him he is an asset on speacial teams as well. i would keep rouse., KP of course who i am more optimistic on than Ed is, who’s glass seems to be half empty lol JK. also CC and johnson can battle it out for a spot, but its simple draft Myron Rolle who was slated to be top 10 last yr and will be available with the 15th pick in the 2nd round and he will automatically start at SS and he is just as smart and physical as KP maybe even more. Their are good safeties in this draft i would not reach in the 1st round!!!! I do agree that johnson was worst than CC because The organization actually had high praises for him CC however ended up playing a waaaaaay bigger role than intended.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
I like Myron Rolle...
but the 2nd round is a reach for him….
He’s not all that fast, so Al Davis isn’t a risk for taking him that high.
Myron Rolle in the 4th or 5th makes sense…
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 10:23 AM EST up reply actions
you all do realize...
that Myron Rolle hasn’t played football in OVER A YEAR….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 4:18 PM EST up reply actions
Rolle has not played in over a year but...
He is a Rhodes Scholer which means he should have a very high football IQ, He is definitly a bit of a project, but if we can pick him up in the 3rd or 4th round why the hell not. If they guy has any physcial ability he might have a very high upside.
by Late for Dinner on Jan 27, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
He is at the Senior Bowl
And apparently he’s looked pretty good
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 27, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't dump Rouse or
CC either. They’r both great hitters. Let Fewell get a look at them in camp and decide if he can work with them.
Oh, George
You must be losing your mind. Keep CC! Geez, you keep saying stuff like that I’m gonna have to revoke your membership! LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Just a contrarian at heart
Works for stocks, why not football. I’m sure Fewell will have the say and could very well decide by just looking at film. If that’s the case, CC’ll be gone before training camp.
I agree with Free And I’m sure many others. I would get Darren Sharper AND draft a S within the first 2 rounds. If KP does come back he prob wont be 100% or close to that until 2011 if ever. George Wilson would be a nice pickup, I believe he is a FA, wouldnt cost alot, and has experience with Fewell’s system.
Ed....
For this breakdown you must have been tempted to write “Kenny Phillips got hurt, everybody else sucked” and be done with it.
Isn't that
pretty much what I did write? The rest is just filler to make it look like I’m really doing stuff! LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
I can't disagree with this assessment, Ed
I have two thoughts..First I have very low confidence that Phillips and Ross will ever achieve the level of health required to withstand an NFL season..We know how potentially career ending KPs injury is, but that Hamstring AR has is a really concerning mystery to me.
On the good news front..Fewells forte is building strong secondaries, so I am confident that he’ll fix it through the draft and FA, plus we at least had Rashad and Peterson on the practice squad which may help..but Fewell has alot of work to do..it is a messy situation…and probably a key reason they brought him in.
observations
#1: watching yesterdays games, I was jealous of safety play of all 4 teams (even the Jets). Bullit and Bathea were beasts. The only mishap they had was the Snachez 80 yard TD. But they made plays at the line of scrimmage and deep. Any chance we can grab Bob Sanders??? Sharper was brilliant and even Williams on Minnesota played well (Brees had less than 200 pass yards in an OT game).
#2: It might not mean much but on Madden 10, if you hire Fewell as a d. coordinator, he gives your corners and safties a +5 attribute in zone coverage. Hopefully that could translate to something on the field.
WHOA!
Bob Sanders? Now…when the guy’s on the field…he’s DPOY caliber type player.
…but he’s never on the field….that would just be entirely too risky. Kenny Phillips has a better chance of being 100% for 2010.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
Bad pass rush.
I wonder, how much of these bad grades are due to the lack of a pass rush on the QB? In 08, the cover skills were not exposed due to the QB always running for his life. In 09 without much of a rush, these guys looked like CFL players.
A veteran Cover2 safety who understand Fuel’s system might help more than the draft.
Rex brought in guys from the Ravens when he moved to the Jets and the transition to his style was seamless. PF could lobby to bring in someone like Wilson or maybe even an almost washed up Ronde Barber.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Jan 25, 2010 11:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Yeah I brought that up in one of the other threads..We had pretty much zero pressure
On the QB last year..and as the old saying goes: “Shit rolls downhill”..
Hmmm Ronde Barber
I would love to get him and then win a Superbowl
that would really chap Tiki’s ass
AH the offseason where anything is possible
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Pass rush is crucial
and Sheridan’s blitz packages to try and make up for our pass rush didn’t help those numbers either. I am for drating a DT first but LB and S are 1b and 1c.
I had always thought …
That the S position was one you didn’t need to draft highly, or have some of your best players at. CB was the real skill position in the secondary, and good ones had to be taken in the 1st 3 rounds, and it seemed that you could plug in any number of guys at S and get somewhat the same result. Well, 2009 has clearly proved that theory wrong.
My question is how much of the overall DB problems are related to problems with the front 7 and overall scheme, and how much of it is the talent at S ? I’d also love to see more ball-hawking approach from our FS position (like a Sharper).
Biggest variable, of course, is can KP comback in 2010 or ever ? Agree with others here that JR has to proceed as if he won’t and if we get him back, it’s just a big plus. I think we are going LB and S in the first 2 rounds unless some DT they just love drops.
hmm...
I had always thought …
That the S position was one you didn’t need to draft highly, or have some of your best players at.
EXACTLY!
..I’m sure Jerry Reese feels the same way…and that’s why the safeties SUCK!
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
And even when we took KP at # 31 ...
he was the first (only) S taken in Round 1. 1st Round seems heavily dominated by QB, OT, DL, & CB, so JR has company. Hopefully, especially with a trade down, we can get a S or two in the 2nd and 3rd rounds.
At this point
I’d be looking at trading down too. The S position is one mess and we could use picks for OL, DL, LB and RB (at some point). Seven picks don’t seem it would be enough to address them!
Don't forget...
we could get compensatory picks, if we lose anyone important via free agency. We got one for Ward last year. I think they start at the end of 3rd round. But, yes, 7 picks don’t seem like enough. Unfortunately, there is usually a signficant fall off in talent starting somewhere in the 4th and 5th rounds. I know, some gems in there, but not the immediate players we desperately need. Some of our issues will need to be taken care via FA. I would think definitely a LB and a S have to come from FA, otherwise, this defense will be full of rookies.
forget about FA
nobody talented will be on the market
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 25, 2010 3:32 PM EST up reply actions
Is there some sort of lag time ...
on those compensatory picks ? I seem to remember getting two compensatory picks in the 2009 draft (a 3 and a 5) that were for Mitchell and Wilson leaving via FA after the 2007 season. (kind of makes sense since not all FA signings are before the draft each year).
Would we be due a comp. pick this year for Ward (which might be a good one if he was deemed a “starter” or based on the contract he signed – not sure how they grade the round of pick you get) ?
Darren Sharper won't want to leave the SB bound Saints
just to come here….. unless they give him a HUGE contract which obviously isn’t worth it
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 25, 2010 12:39 PM EST reply actions
We have to open up some how?
The clearance rack or bargain bin deal we got in ’09 turned out to be too thirfty.
Well, I'd say Canty was on the bargain rack ...
only relative to Haynesworth. Hopefully we shows us why we signed him in 2010. Bernard cost way too much for the clearance rack, although he’s a clearance rack talent.
I think the bigger risk can be going marqee name for big bucks (think Skins). Some our best moves have been guys like Kawika Mitchell. Tougher to find, though.
Minus KP and speculation about Ross moving to S
How does CC, Rouse, Johnson or any PS player fit into a T2 flavored defense? Assuming we need sure tacklers, what about covering skills, not to mention speed! Aren’t you suppose to have S’s that can cover the deep half? We don’t have that!
Fewell may be good, but you can’t teach speed. This may take a miracle?!
PPF Rankings
what the PPF rankings don’t show is that not only did CC not make a play he was supposed to, but he was often so out of position that his opponent was able to run backwards into the endzone. He should get negative 6 points for some of his bonehead plays.
There is really no guarantee on this roster, so with a new D coordinator and system coming in, don’t be surprised to see this position get overhauled, just like in Tim Lewis’ first year as Defensive Coordinator (sorry to bring that up). I’m also concerned that there is no solid veteran leaders on this secondary (think Sam Madison and R.W. McQuarters), so any rookies brought in might be expected to contribute right away. Personally, I think FA should play a role in this position.
Keep Johnson
He was not as good as people said in 2007.
He was not as bad as people said in 2009.
Let him think about his screwups in ’09 and compete for a job in training camp.
I'm glad you said it Ed
Lately I’ve only posted comments on here about how terrible Michael Johnson actually is and not of much else… and I’ll continue to do the same as the Giants don’t have much good to talk about right now. I’m just glad you finally called him out on it too, Ed… I’ve been waiting. All Giants fans need to know, if they haven’t already noticed it week after week, that Michael Johnson is THE WORST PLAYER in the NFL, regardless of position. I don’t care to hear about the apples-to-oranges comparison, bottom line is there is no player in the NFL that does as poor of a job at there position than MJ does at his.
Furthermore, his attitude stinks. Every time he gets burned, it happened A LOT this year, you can see him looking around at everyone else trying to push off the blame. If the Giants keep him, I’ve lost all my faith/trust in Jerry Reese.
Worst in the NFL?
I don’t know about that. I am convinced he is not a starting caliber player in the NFL, though.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 25, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
MJ is no starter
but he is worthy of bringing to camp to see if he can improve
he has some potential as a worthwhile back up
and Giants are – at least currently – not loaded with players here
Signing CC Brown wasnt a terrible mistake
he may have been a terrible player but Reese was just trying to get a player to temporarily fill Kenny Phillips’ spot. Teams dont dump adequate players mid-season and any decent players in the free agency would have been signed before the season started.
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CC Brown was signed before the season ended....
Boley, Canty, Bernard and CC were their 4 offseason “big” signings.
It was Aaron Rouse who was the Packers castoff…and out of these 5….he played the best….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
***before the offseason ended.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
Oh Really?
I was certain we picked him up mid-season, but you seem to know everthing so I’ll trust you. It seems that all my comments get replies from you.
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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 26, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
don't get your tits in a knot!
CC Brown should not come back.
But Aaron Rouse should, at least for competition
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 26, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
I wasnt angry
I didnt know how to make that sound like I wasnt though. I kept rewriting it before just giving up and hoping you didnt think I was annoyed.
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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 26, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
oh...
my bone.
Same team and all…here’s an e-beer.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 26, 2010 9:20 PM EST up reply actions
Picture
The picture epitomizes the Giants season. It makes me sad and furious simultaneously. God do I hate DeSean Jackson.
What about Vince Anderson and Sha'reff Rashard ...
who were on the Practice Squad in 2009. Any thoughts to Fewell being able to “coach ’em up” ? I seem to remember hearing very good things about Anderson in camp, but he just didn’t have the level of competition in college to make the transition to the NFL right away. It would be nice to think that we could turn some raw but talented types into players.
In FA
We should sign Ron Harper or Bethea from the colts
How about Rhodes?
Sounds like Rex Ryan isn’t too big on having Kerry Rhodes back next year. But the guy is a playmaker and a good cover safety when he’s not being a primadonna. Jets need WRs and DEs. Maybe trade either Manningham or Kiwanuka plus a late pick?
Id trade Osi over Kiwa
But that isnt what I expect Reese will do, hes the kind of GM who brings up young players.
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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 26, 2010 3:35 AM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't like to see them trade Kiwi or Osi..
I want to see how they respond to a Fewell coached defense..We need DTs and secondary help, but I’d hate to see them “squeeze the balloon” and move the problems from one area to another by trading people in an attempt to fix certain problems and creating new ones.
Depends on where they see Sintim fitting in ...
If they decide he is best as an edge rusher, then having both Osi and Kiwi is a bit of a glut. If they think Sintim can really be a true SAM then trading Osi or Kiwi does squeeze the balloon.
Giants need to add players and more importantly playmakers
not trade away good players. Trading down is a bad idea too in my opinion. Trading up to get a special player is a better option. Take Revis for example. If he was a Giant would we be mising the 3rd and 6th rounder we would have traded away to move up? Not at all, instead we would be loving that he has half the field covered by himself. We need top notch players and trading down is too risky. Get the BEST PLAYER remaining with each pick and we will be on our way. I’d rather have 2 new great players than 10 pretty good players.
When you think about it....
That play that Ross almost made on the picture would’ve been brilliant, he went all the way from his half of the field to Johnson’s and was really close to batting the ball away…..
I think Ross has all the athleticism in the world to play safety and that would also put our most talented players on the field more often.
Phillips and Ross as the 2 starting safeties and Rashad, Rouse, Brown and Anderson competing for the backup spots.
Also it would free up a draft pick that we can use on an OT / RB / LB
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 7:12 PM EST reply actions
Also in his 3 games at safety this year Ross didn't look too bad
imagine how good he could be with Fewell coaching him and a whole offseason / training camp of learning the safety position
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 7:13 PM EST up reply actions
agreed
If Ross can stay healthy he might be a star at safety.
His speed at CB is good, but at Safety excellent
He hits hard and never backs down
Has a great nose for the ball, will make INTS
Problem is will he be healthy, I can’t remember him being totally healthy ever.
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