New York Giants News & Notes, 1/23/2010
by cjmulrain on Jan 23, 2010 9:00 AM EST
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PrintGood morning Giants fans. Slow news day week for the Giants, as all of the New York media is focused on the Jets AFC Championship Game tomorrow (and before I hear any grumbling, you can't blame them - I doubt there was much Jets news at this time two years ago).
The most interesting story involving the Giants are a pair of Super Bowl articles from Forbes magazine. One lists the 10 greatest plays in Super Bowl history. They don't specifically rank them, but I think you can guess which was the first play they mentioned (hint, look at the picture to the right).
The second article ranks the Super Bowl winners of the decade using a formula of regular season record, regular season net points, postseason net points, and Super Bowl margin of victory. The 2000 Ravens came out as the number one team (and here's where I make the obligatory: "but they canceled that Super Bowl!), and our beloved 2007 Giants came out as the worst Super Bowl winner of the decade. I honestly can't complain about the Giants ranking, they weren't a truly great team that year, but they won when it counted and came up with quite possibly the greatest upset in SB history (take that, Joe Namath). I do, however, disagree with ranking the 2002 Bucs over the 2004 Patriots - I know they just used a mathematical formula, but there's no way that Bucs team was better than the '04 Pats.
Not sure if any of our readers entered the contest, but BP has announced their "Ultimate Giants Fans" contest winners.
Finally, the New Orleans Times-Picayune profiles the matchup between two former Giants tight ends in the NFC Championship Game tomorrow. For all the hype that Shockey has generated over his career, he has actually been outproduced by two of his former back ups this season (Shiancoe & our own Kevin Boss). I'm hoping Shiancoe gets the better of him tomorrow.
That's all for now Giants fans, enjoy the games tomorrow.
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Yahoo! Sports also did a brief piece on Shockey. Shockey’s quotes are pretty mild, but there are a couple of shots in there to remind us why we are all Viking fans this week. It’s interesting that he seems so content in New Orleans, considering his stats this year (and last) are worse than all but one injury-riddled season with the Giants.
Hell no
I am not rooting for Favre. Sorry. Not happening. As much as Shockey can be a little irritating, IMO, there’s a whole lot more to like about the Saints going to the SuperBowl than the Vikes. Although, if the Vikes do win, Peter King’s head might explode, so that’s a plus.
I don't see whats with all the Favre hate
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 10:27 AM EST reply actions
I can see it
I don’t necessarily agree with it or hate him, but all the flip flopping, summers of will he/won’t he?, and all that garbage can get annoying.
I personally have no problem with him.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Will, I really don't blame or get frustrated with Favre's flip-flopping..
He’s the best QB on the planet..a kid who’s now housed in a old mans body who still has a rocket launcher..He gets to thinking about the nicks and bruises and decides that his body can’t handle it anymore…then he heals up after six months looks up at the scoreboard and decides to keep playing because he still a kid at heart and to watch him on the field having more fun than kids 20 years younger than him is a really special thing for us older guys..There probably be another Favre someday, but I don’t see one anytime soon.
I hear ya Bb
There probably be another Favre someday
What are the odds that’ll happen in our lifetimes?
but I don’t see one anytime soon.
I’d just like to see alot more of that “Love of the Game” attitude from these younger guys!!! It seems to be all about $,$,$ and Me,Me,Me…
best qb on the planet?
manning, hands down
Oh ya, Peyton is a great QB
but in the PURE (pocket) PASSER form of the word.
Favre is great, but in a Pure Football player kinda way.
Favre would love play on both sides of the ball in today’s league if they let him
I don’t see that kind of passion in Peyton. He’s more “Love of Winning” than of the game
you really think Peyton doesn't love the game?
You really think Farve would keep playing if he didn’t love winning?
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
Peyton as a QB is far and above better than Favre
in pretty much any category.
Favre has his own eccentricities that make him great in his way, but I’d take Peyton over him anytime.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Well I certanly respect your opinion..Let us wait an see what Peyton
Does when he’s 40 years old Will, probably just really funny commercials.
favre is only as good
as the team around him. he’s having a great year with an all world RB, dominating defense and play making receivers.
we’ve seen favre do some great things with less, certainly…but peyton has done far more with far less. he’s already 33, i don’t doubt at all he’ll be able to play another 7 years
Peyton vs. Favre
Peyton’s already broken Favre’s MVP record, he’s on pace to break just about every passing record there is, he’s made the playoffs all but twice in his career, and already has as many Super Bowl wins as Favre. He’s a more accurate passer, a more efficient passer, and frankly, just a better all-around QB than Favre is or was, even in his prime.
And yea, Favre’s great as a 40 year old, but Vinny Testaverde was better as a 40 year old than Johnny Unitas was – it doesn’t mean he was a better QB. That said, I suspect Peyton will be just fine as a 40 year old, considering he’s never been hurt, ever.
2009 Did Not Happen
If Peyton plays until he is 40
it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up oening more quarterback records than the next two guys behind him. He is just that good.
I’m not knocking Favre…he’s just a “heaver” though compared to Peyton.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 23, 2010 3:43 PM EST up reply actions
Personally, I like Bret Favre's fighter attitude
Peyton Manning is the latest carnation of
Dan Marino, Jim Kelly and Dan Fouts.
Throw for a billion miles, but aren’t a really good QB unless you have quality receivers to make you look that way.
Drew Brees has thrown for more yards lately … does that make him a better QB than Peyton???
Please be a little more level minded and don’t get blurred by numbers alone.
Thanks
Peyton Manning has won 12+ games for 8 years in a row!!!
what the hell else does the guy have to do? He is, quite simply, the best QB in the league right now & there’s a really good chance he’s the best QB ever.
2009 Did Not Happen
SB rings: ELI = 1 PEYTON = 1
By your logic, why isn’t Eli included in this “conversation” of the greatest QB’s on the planet??
He didn't mention Superbowl wins
just total wins.
Peyton’s winning with Pierre Garcon and Collie!
Is that throwing to quality receivers?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Exactly!
And until very recently he was saddled with a poor defense and still managed to do what it took to win.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 5:42 AM EST up reply actions
The one thing I want to say
very often a bad defense is what a good quarterback needs to get good stats. See Eli this year. We all knew that Eli had it in him to throw 4,000 yards, be good, etc. But until this year, he didn’t need to.
I’m not saying all quarterbacks will have good stats on bad teams, only the good and great ones. I’m sure Peyton would rather be on the giants were he isn’t required to win every game, but guide it. Kind of like this year, where their defense really stepped up.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
It is true that if a team has a defense
that gives up a lot of points the OC probably feels the need to ramp up the passing offense. But in Eli’s case I think he has simply has a more balanced set of receivers now.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 1:47 PM EST up reply actions
Definitely
I still think Eli will put up great stats, but hopefully he doesn’t have to throw for 4,000 yards again.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
that's true to an extent
though Brady and Manning have put up pretty prolific passing stats for teams with good defenses. They may not be the ‘85 Bears, but they’re not bad, either
2009 Did Not Happen
?
And Farve has one SB too….what’s your point?
Peyton’s numbers will SHATTER Farve’s.
If you like Farve’s fighter attitude…well, Peyton’s got that same fighter attitude..just maybe not as a “kid having fun” that Farve seems to be..
Farve is one of the GOAT’s.
Peyton…probably IS the GOAT.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 9:59 PM EST up reply actions
Favre is overrated by a TON
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe overrated by the Media
but he’s still a damn good QB.
When all you here is Brett Favre this, Brett Favre that, than yeah it gets annoying and whenever he has one bad game you want to call him overrated.
Truth is, everyone has a bad game once in a while, and when players are being deified (fair or not), when they have that bad game, they get called over rated.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
One game!?!?!?!
in the last three seasons, he (‘09) ended his team’s playoff hopes with a stupid interception; (‘08) was too injured to play down the stretch and faded; (’07) ended his team’s playoff hopes with a stupid interception;
that’s not one game. And the thing is, after the ’07 season, someone here posted a long history of why Favre is overrated and how consistently throughout his career his mistakes have brought his team to ruin.
He’s got a hell of an arm, and is an all-time iron man. Those two things alone are going to put him in the top 20. But not the top 10. He led his team to one superbowl 12 years ago. I can easily name 15 quarterbacks I’d take ahead of him, including more than 5 who are playing right now.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 26, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
lets be honest here
against the saints that last second int didn’t make much of a difference they were out of FG range anyway
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 1:23 PM EST up reply actions
wrong
They were at the 38 or so? so a throwaway means a 55-yarder in the dome, not impossible… but that’s besides the point. I watched the play 4 times… he has a TON of real estate in front of him to pick up at least 5 yards if not 10 or more. He said so himself after the game.
That game was won, and only Brett Favre or Tony Romo could have lost it…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 26, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Better active QBs right now:
Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Philip Rivers, Eli Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner.
From that list I’m putting Warner, Peyton, Tom ahead of him career wise and Eli, Drew, Rivers, Roethlisberger likely to end up with a better career. Not to mention a handful of guys better than Favre career-wise including Montana Young Fouts Elway Moon Aikman Marino and a bunch of others from the same era and earlier…
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 26, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
This year anyways
Favre was All-pro worthy this year, with a 107 qb rating, and 68.4 completion %.
I’m not going to compare him to Eli, because of course I’d take Eli over him, he’s our QB.
Yeah the pick was horrendous, but Favre willed his team to be in that position to win. The rest of the team was dropping the ball like it had swine flu.
I was an awful throw, but he shouldn’t have been in that position to begin with.
Last year he was injured. Its not 100% his fault that Mangini is retarded and didn’t lean more on the running game like Ryan did this year when Sanchez struggled. One of a few differences between the Jets this year and last year is that Ryan realized his QB was struggling, and reigned him in, while Mangini let him go. They had the same wins and losses this year as last year, but benefited from a weak AFC!
2007, I like to consider that Giant magic. The giants stifled them that year.
Finally, 3 MVPs usually mean a quarterback is pretty good at what he does.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
No arguement about Favre's greatness.
Because the game has changed so much over the years it is impossible to compare quarterbacks fairly.
A lot of the early quarterbacks called their own plays. Wholesale personel changes on every play for every situation were a lot rarer. A quarterback had to do it all. Make the play call, execute it, and then pick his ass up off the ground on virtually every play because it was the practice then to blast the quarterback every play.
Nowadays we substitute player packages on nnearly every play and the chess game is played mostly from by coordinators upstairs in an isolated booth. Only a rare few quarterbacks today like Peyton have much to say about the play selection.
I’m digressing, of course but the point is that it is pointless to compare great QB’s from different generations. Favre has been around so long that he has played through a number of changes in the game and has adapted damn well. But most of the greats from now on will likely be more like Peyton, doing it with brain rather than brawn.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 27, 2010 5:05 AM EST up reply actions
And that I will agree with
Is he one of the greats? Yeah
Where is he on the list? Dunno, and who really cares?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Some people..
Are just Haters… You have to respect Favre you just have too, also maybe some are closet Jets fans or even Packers, those are the only ones that should actually “hate” the man.. Who knows…
All's Well that Fewell
most hate the Farve coverage...not really the player.
Anyone who’s a football fan, who watches with the sound off…enjoys watching Farve play.
Its the media and the announcers covering the game that can really get on my nerves.
Its the main reason why I’m rooting against the Vikings and Farve…because I really…REALLY don’t wanna hear any more about Farve…
The 2 weeks of hopefully nothing Farve-related..aside from the likely “is he coming back” BS..would be like NO Jazz in my ear….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
this
and what ’57 said below.
I actually like Brett Favre the player a lot, and find that the more I watch him the more I forget how I’m supposed to be rooting against him, b/c he is just a really fun player to watch even after all these years.
But I don’t like Brett Favre the primadona very much at all. I hate the way he tried to hold the Packers hostage for like 4 years, how he handed the job over to Aaron Rodgers and then just decided that he was just kidding, and then when the Packers (the team that showed him so much loyalty over the years) didn’t blink, he forced his way out, and it was clear even while playing for the Jets that he wanted to play in Minnesota to stick it to the Pack, which, unfortunately, he’s done. For a 40 year old, he acted a heck of a lot like a 6 year old.
So, yes, he’s a great QB (top 10 for sure, though I think he’s closer to #10 than #1) and he’s fun to watch. But I still don’t like him very much
2009 Did Not Happen
The Green Bay fans, players and team management
would have excused Brett if he had only pulled that retire, unretire crap once. It wore on me and I wasn’t even personally affected by his multiple flip flops.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 1:55 PM EST up reply actions
I don't hate Favre
He does bring a special “can do” attitude with him wherever he goes. You also have to respect the way he has sustained his energy for all these years. It might turn out that Peyton can’t do that. The one thing Bret will never be able to outrun is the number of interceptions at bad times he has chunked over his career.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 5:47 AM EST up reply actions
It will take a very special quarterback
to throw as many interceptions as brett and last long enough to throw that many INTs.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I didn't mean to get into a greatest ever debate
I was thinkng along the lines that you guys are talking here. The guy is unique and is fun to watch. I agree he’s not the greatest ever and it’s not alot of fun to have to listen to all the media hype about him.
I was gonna make a joke about how he’s “Somethin Special” but in my head
I hear Madden saying it and it makes my stomach turn.
SB History
History will show that not only, did the Giants have the greatest upset in Super Bowl history hands down, by beating and undefeated Patriots team but it also has the greatest play in Super Bowl history, with the Manning to Tyree “Catch”. There is no argument that can say otherwise. No Super Bowl team has ever beaten an 18-0 team before or since. In fact, I doubt we will ever see that again in our lifetime. The “Catch” is the greatest play in Super Bowl history but something that can be argued by different fans. In my opinion, it was the greatest play ever but to others it may not be. I’m fine with that. But there is no way that the Giants beating the Patriots in SB42 isn’t the greatest upset ever, including Joe Namath.
GO NY GIANTS!!
Your right on RD..That was the greatest play in the history of the SB..and it was not just
Tyree, it was Eli escaping the pressure and launching the ball to him..I never have and probably never will see that again.
those rankings
are usually based on how dominate a team is in the playoffs not as much as what they did in the regular season Baltimore kicked the crap out of everybody as did the Bucs. NE always played a close game and our giants were involved in close games all the way hence the low ranking. I don’t agree I think 04 pats were the best team hands down.
by Landeta on Jan 23, 2010 12:47 PM EST via mobile reply actions
they based them half on regular season, half on postseason
but I think regular season dominance is more important. And honestly, the Giants deserve the low ranking – they weren’t very good during the regular season and they won some really close games in the postseason. The Super Bowl run was thrilling, but that was not a great team by any stretch. The ’86 Giants, on the other hand, are maybe the most underrated team in league history. 14-2 and they breezed through the playoffs by a combined 105-23.
2009 Did Not Happen
I think the 90 team is a bit underrated
A lot of people compare 07 to 90 but those teams are not even close. Think about that 90 team they were 13 – 3 and started 10-0 and actually dominated most of their oppenets thorugh the first 10 games (like in 08) where as in 86 they struggled and won a lot of close games. They lost close games to SF and BUFF during the regular season, blew out a good Bears team in the divisional round then won close games against the niners and Bills to win it all. THat Niner team was one of the best teams to never win a SB they were a hell of a lot better than the Niner team they beat in 86 and that Bills team was a hell of a lot better than the Bronco team the Giants beat in 86. SF was going for a three-peat and were considered the greatest team ever with maybe the greatest QB WR combo ever with Montana and Rice and the Giants held them to 22 points in two games. The problem is they had some stiff competition in the playoffs in 90 while in 86 the only team close the G-Men were the Bears who never played the Giants becasue the Skins upset them in the divisional round. THey did not sack the QB as much but they covered a lot better in the backend. The O was more mythotical and lacked big play capability but were usually good for 20 to 24 points and most teams struggled to score more thatn 14 vs them. Thats pretty damn good, they just were not flashfy.
Are you sure?
look at the Bucs in 02. They did not blow anybody out in the regular season. THey were 12-4 and won a lot of 17-13 type games. While NE in 04 was 14-2 and beat up on most of their oppenets. In the 02 playoffs tampa beat SF 35-14, Philly 27-10, and the Raiders 48-21 while the 04 Colts blew out both Indy and Pitt but only beat Philly by 3 in the SB. Hell the 2000 Ravens did not win their divsision, Tenesse did. Balt was 12-4 but won mostly close games in the regular season too. In the playoffs they dominated, they only let up one offensive TD in 4 playoff games and they would of shut out our Giants in the SB if not for Ron Dixon.
I guess my point is the 03 and 04 Pats were probabbly the only dominate teams from start to finish this decade, yet Baltimore and TB are ranked hire. Balt and TB were the most dominate postseason teams no doubt but they still were somewhat surprising SB champs.
I think the only team the 07 Giants are better than would be the 01 Pats. Very similar teams, in fact NE was a 14 point underdog vs the Rams in that SB as compared to the 12 point dog the G-Men were vs the Pats. NE was actually a two seed and had a home game and were 11-5 compared to the 5 seeded 10-6 Giants. Though like the G-Men NE was an underdog in every playoff game. Maybe cause I’m a Giants fan but I was more shocked when NE beat the Rams then when our G-Men did. Though I was pleasently shoocked two years ago too.
Don't Forget
The 90 Giants won that super bowl with their back-up qb. Simms was great to start the season but got hurt late and ole’ Hos took over. That team also had a great play, Mark Ingram’s catch and run for a big first down. He must have broken five tackles in a five yard span…
What's funny about Hoss and backup QB's back then
is it was before FA and the Salary cap so some teams had really good backup QB’s and there was little drop off with them compared to the starters. Hoss was a 7 year vetern and was probabbly better than half of the starting QB’s in the league. Look at the Niners and Bills. Steve Young might have been the second best QB in the league behind Montana and Frank Reich pretty much led the Bills to a SB in 92. Doug Williams was a pretty good backup too as was Jim Plunket and Earl Morrel. Now-a-days you have Cutis Painter and Tavaris Jackson, not exactly Young and Hoss.
I did not know that
I always envisioned Hostetler as some guy who was saved by a great running game and defense, and made the plays he needed to.
Thanks for the enlightenment
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Hoss was not as accurate as Simms
or as polished of a passer but made plays with his legs that Simms never could. Even with Simms that Giants teams relied on the run and great D so Hoss did not have to do a lot but he was capable of winning games and making big passes when needed. Dave Megget led the team in receptions with 39 I think. They would throw the ball about 20 times a game with Simms or Hoss. Guys like Hoss and Riech would have gotten huge contracts to start on other teams after their rookie contracts were up in todays day in age. Think Matt Schaub. I’m not saying every team back then had high quality backups but in 90 the best 3 teams in the league Niners, Bills, and G-Men all had exceptional backup QB’s. Hell Dallas had Steve Berlien as a backup in 92 and Bernie Kosar in 93, not too bad.
Alright thanks
Of course if every team had a quality backup qb, that would imply every team had a great QB, which I would assume was not the case.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Less Teams
There have been several expansion teams since then as well, diluting the talent at qb even more…
Hostetler played well in relief of Simms
but he was aided by our running game. The 90 Giants had a great running game which allowed Jeff to succeed. I never considered him to be good enough to be a starter. To his credit though, he got hot in the playoffs, used his speed to roll out a lot and didn’t make any dumb mistakes.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 23, 2010 5:02 PM EST reply actions
I disagree 57
He was good enough to start in the NFL. He was not as good as Simms but he was pretty good and did well in Oakland when he got his shot. Our run game was good that year but not great. OJ led the team with only 800 yards and Hamton had like 450 it’s not like the ground game was proflic and the passing game even with Simms bordered on anemic. Through 12 games starting Simms barley had 2,000 yards passing. The key to that team was D. They got a three and out on almost every series and always gave the O a short field. Hoss depended on the help of the running game and D just as much as Simms did so things did not change much when he took over. The 08 Giants were a lot like them but more explosive on O especailly in the running game, not as good on D but similar, until the weels came off late in the year. Now-a-days a guy like Hoss would not have to wait 7 years to start, he would of been starting at the latest by his fourth year.
Yes
our offense was never the potent 49 style but we didn’t turn it over much and as you pointed out we had tha bad ass 3-4 ( ha ha you knew that was coming) defense to make big plays and give us good field position. But we were still a run first team. As for Jeff, I just didn’t think he excelled except for his Earl Morrall inspired year in 1990. He did ok in Oakland, I really don’t remember much about that, his best plays seemed to come off rollouts. Plus he could run the ball, something I think Parcells forbid Phil to even think about.
It is strange to look back and see how long it took for QB’s to actually play. That may have been a carryover from when they used to call their own plays. It took a lot longer for Qb’s to learn that skill. I’m preparing a fan post to bring up the subject of play calling and how it was changed forever when the plays came in from the sidelines.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
Bad ass 3-4 oh yea
but do know what’s funny I was watching the divisional playoff vs the Bears in 90 on my Giants DVDs (I’m depressed over the seasn) and Blechick had them come out in a 4-3 and it took the BEars by suprise, Maddden kept making commets about how confused the Bears were. They did it because they did’nt think the Bears could throw and were worried about their ground game. Now thats creative, thats the stuff I want to see Fewell do. It was Howard and Mike Fox at DT. Leonard Marshal and Joh Washington at DE and the three LB’s were Peper, LT, and Banks. And in passing situations they put in Eric Dorsey for John Washington. REally creative stuff.
I had all but forgotten that....it was a great moment.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 1:58 PM EST up reply actions
A great defensive mind
But he also had the talent to pull it off
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Jeez
Pepper, LT, and Banks
Brings a tear to my eye
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Shockey
Totally unrelated to this article-who did the Giants wind up getting for the draft picks they got form the Saints for Shockey?
Clint Sintim or Will Beaty in Round 2
I’m not sure about round 5, they might of traded it to move up in the third round
Rhett Bomar and Clint Sintim
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_NFL_Draft
I’m starting to think the draft wasn’t as good as I thought it was….
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
2009 Draft
Never, never make up your mind about a draft or a player after one year. Mario Manningham is a perfect example. Steve Smith is another one. So is Justin Tuck. Right now we have no idea how well some of these players will do. If Sintim and Beatty become good starters, Barden steps up and Bomar becomes the backup QB (all of which are very possible) that draft looks a lot better.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 23, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions
I know I know
but some of the stuff is making me sort of pessimistic…
Maybe its the Devils losing lately and midterms next week, but there’s the 6th and 7th picks who aren’t even on the team, Bomar who won’t be doing anything (hopefully), Andre Brown who through no fault of Reese got injured and as you’ve admitted probably won’t be the same, and Travis Beckum who seems to not have a fit on the team.
That leaves the first 4 picks of hopefully will have influence. Nicks will be a star, Beatty will be alright, but Beckum and Barden look like splurge picks now, especially with all these holes that have shown up.
And then there’s Sintim, who I’m hoping and optimistic about that he can transfer with another year, but 3-4 guys out of 9, maybe I’m just spoiled.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I think Beckum will get much better next year
And will even challenge Boss for the starting job. As a receiver he is 10x better he just needs killdrive to call some plays that actually use the damn TE!!
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 10:09 PM EST up reply actions
I guess
Boss wasn’t exactly know for his blocking when he was a rookie, but he worked on it and became better, maybe Beckum can do the same thing.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Even if his blocking stinks his receiving abilities could out weigh it. A ton of starting TE’s don’t block at all anymore. Gates, Clark, Celek, Finley, Daniels, etc.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 24, 2010 12:57 AM EST up reply actions
but they're used in a special way
a way which is unlike the giants offense.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
In 05 the Giants only had 4 draft picks
due to the Manning trade. They got BJacobs, Webster and Tuck. None of those guys payed divedinds till 07 so sometimes it takes time to for these guys. It’s not going to be like 07 every year where 4 rookies come in a play prominet roles in playoff runs.
Geez
you guys are making me look ungrateful.
But anyways, my point should have been that we have all these holes all of a sudden, and we haven’t done much (it seems to me), to fill these holes.
But did we really need Barden AND Beckum when we need help at LB and Safety, and what not?
Maybe its just offseason blues
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I think the point is...
you gotta be patient.
2007 may have spoiled us..but really, aside from Ross..most of those guys really didn’t pay many dividends until the end of the season. And really..guys like Boss and Steve Smith, broke out in 2009.
And of course, those 2005 guys, arrived for the most part in 2007 too (Webster..not until the playoffs).
So…maybe 2010’s when we see what the 2008 class is really made of? Kehl, Goff..hopefully KP? HAM arrived a bit, maybe he takes another step? Terrel Thomas..maybe he does too?
A safety or a LB or a DT..from the 2009 draft…how likely would it be that they would be contributing and any good? They probably would’ve gotten hurt anyway…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
c'mon man......
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 8:37 PM EST up reply actions
FreeBradshaw writes...
You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there
I assume this must be a quote from Bill Sheridan, no??
It would be easy to make that mistake
KG said recently in an interview
I have to be very careful (near the end zone) because I don’t know what I’m doing and that’s why we rarely get there.
As you can see, it would be easy to confuse the two statements.
Maybe a little overreaction
but I don’t know. See above why I feel this way
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Can someone please tell me what all this "they cancelled the Superbowl" stuff is about
I wasnt a fan in 2000, what happened?
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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 24, 2010 12:17 AM EST reply actions
a wiki search
of superbowl 35 will give you all you need to know
Super Bowl XXXV was the least enjoyable sporting event ever
the Giants might as well have not even showed up to the game. Pretty much right after it was over, my friends and I started joking that they cancelled it, and the last Giants game that season was their 41-0 blowout win against the Vikings in the NFC Championship Game. We’ll usually say things like “man, the Ravens would have had no chance against that juggernaut if the game had actually been played. Too bad they had to cancel it.”
2009 Did Not Happen
Oh
The I’m happy I missed it. Thanks for telling me.
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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 24, 2010 4:00 AM EST up reply actions
I seldom even go to a Super Bowl Party
because I actually like to watch the action, but I was so pumped up about that Vikings win that I invited a boatload of people over and we filled the room, waiting for Kerry to “show those Ravens who dad was.” Unfortunately he did show them who he was and it took me weeks to get over it. I haven’t had a Super Bowl Party since.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 24, 2010 6:08 AM EST up reply actions
I felt terrible about that game too
but looking back that was such an unexpected and really good run by our G-Men that I’m not really that upset about that SB anymore. Sure I would have liked to win it but Balt was really good and not a flash in the pan flukey team (like I thought they were at the time) so I just remember how we manhandled Philly and Minny in the playoffs that year.
I will disagree that we were the worst SB team of the decade
If we beat the strongest team the Pats ever had then we’re obviously better then their SB winners!We were so streaky the last few years but had a solid run of domination after that win that shows what that group was all about…..until it got shot in the foot!
Go Colts and Vikes!
just beating a great team once doesn't make us as good as them, though
if the 2007 Giants played the 2007 Patriots 10 times, I bet they’d only win 2 or 3 times. They won the only one that matters, and I’ll be eternally happy for that, but when determining “greatest teams” you have to look at which teams were truly dominant, and that Giants team just wasn’t.
2009 Did Not Happen
in fact
That Patriots team we beat might have been the best team of the decade and top 4-5 all time
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
why?
why do I always hear that?
I think they’d beat the Patriots 10/10 times….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 12:16 PM EST up reply actions
What does it matter?
We won the superbowl and beat the patriots, thats all that counts. people talk all the time about how we were lucky and 2007 was a fluke, but I dont care at all, we won and not all teams can claim they have even won a superbowl in their history, we can boast 3. Its not the Steelers, but its pretty good.
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by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 26, 2010 3:40 AM EST up reply actions
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