Scouting the mock drafts
Mel Kiper Jr. of ESPN came out with his first mock draft of 2010 the other day. That means the NFL Draft speculation has officially begun.
So, let's take a short break from our position-by-position breakdowns and scour some of the current reputable mock drafts to see what the current thought process is in regards to how the New York Giants will use the 15th overall selection.
Keep in mind that I am not crazy about doing this. It is January 23rd. The draft is not until the end of April. The annual dog-and-pony show that is the Scouting Combine has not been held yet. Free agency has not re-shaped any rosters yet, and that will impact the draft.
Some of you think you have this all figured out already. Well, that puts you waaaay ahead of the league's 32 general managers. It is lots of fun to speculate, but right now NOBODY knows anything.
That said, let's peek at the current mocks and see what people are thinking in terms of the Giants first-round selection.
Below, I will list the mock draft and the Giants choice. In some cases, though not all, I will add a comment of my own.
Kiper -- Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida. Kiper calls him "the premier pass-rusher in the college game" and says he has Jevon Kearse-like potential. My take: I don't know if Kiper is right about Dunlap, but with all of the other quality defensive players likely to be available I don't like the idea of the Giants taking another defensive end with their first pick. Unless Osi Umenyiora has been traded away, that is.
Bucky Brooks, NFL.com -- Brandon Spikes, MLB, Florida. My take: Yes, we know there is a need here. The consensus right now, though, is that this is way too early for Spikes. In Brooks' mock, Joe Haden, the best corner in the draft is still on the board here. So are the best two safeties in the draft, Earl Thomas (Texas) and Taylor Mays (USC). Oh, and just for 'Free's' benefit, so is Clemson running back C.J. Spiller. I'm really not sure what Brooks was smoking when he did this mock.
Draft Tek -- Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma. My take: I love 'Draft Tek,' which uses software to build a consensus draft from current mocks. I have no clue how, or why, Gresham would be the pick, though. Yes, he is considered the best tight end in the draft. But, he missed much of 2009 with torn cartilate in his right knee. And the Giants need defensive help. Not another tight end.
Draft Countdown -- Rolando McClain, MLB, Alabma. Draft Countdown says this about McClain -- "A terrific all-around prospect, McClain can stop the run, drop into coverage or rush the passer and that versatility is sure to make him a valuable commodity on Draft Day. In fact, it would not be a surprise if he was the first linebacker selected and off the board by this point." My take: As things currently stand, McClain being available here would be the dream scenario for the Giants. If it were to happen, the Giants should take oh, five seconds or so to get this pick to the podium.
Walter Football -- Brian Price, DT, UCLA.
Walter Football (Matt McGuire) -- Earl Thomas, S, Texas.
Football's Future -- Brian Price, DT, UCLA. FF says he would be "an instant force."
Fantasy Football Toolbox -- Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee. My take: Williams is a 6-foot-3, 327-pound monster. From everything I have read thus far, he would be an excellent choice here.
Draft Ace -- Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers. My take: Hard to argue with grabbing an offensive tackle. I will just have a hard time accepting the Giants not going defense in the first round.
There is a looong way go before Draft Day. The process is just getting started, and a lot of you know more about these guys right now than I do. But, this should give you something to argue about.
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McClain, Price, Williams and Thomas.. Wouldn’t be mad with either pick and then of course there are wildcards like someone I thought would be off the board or if we do trade Osi…
All's Well that Fewell
Defense
To me, as long as the pick is defense we really should not complain. At 15, there should be an impact defensive player available.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 23, 2010 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
Ed, by "impact" do you mean ...
able to start or contribute in a major way in 2010 ?
Well ...
That would be the hope. Giants aren’t really in a position to draft ‘project’ type players, which is something they have done on occasion the past couple of seasons.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 23, 2010 3:17 PM EST up reply actions
Mock drafts at this point
Are pretty much useless. Afterall, 2 out of those 9 above had the same pick, but the rest were all different. I said it before, there are a few teams that can or will influence who we may be able to take. Hopefully a team or two will mix it up and take someone off the radar.
I agree, Hoot
But, there is so much interest — and so many people who think they know what everyone should do — that I figured I had to mention some of them.
Much will change in the next couple of months, though.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 23, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Oh, no doubt
With so many minds wandering around BBV, it wouldn’t be fun if we all agreed that if Spiller fell to us, then we should take him! j/k lol
Go D
In 1986 after winning the SB the Giants went D with their first six picks, inc Pepper Johnson.
D wins championships
Unless a phenominal athlete drops in their lap, JR should go heavy on D early.
The '86 and '87 drafts
If i didn’t know any better, i would’ve thought Matt Millen was was running the show? In ‘86, we drafted three WR’s in rounds 5, 6 and 6. ‘87, three WR’s in rounds 1, 3 and 4. What a difference a year makes, the ‘87 WR’s panned out alot better!
D does win championships
Totally agree that the D is the priority, but the Giants had those pics before the Super Bowl.
Remember the Pepper and William Roberts dance?
Hope they go heavy with D and history can repeat.
Only thing you can really speculate on is position...and who is any good right now after their season.
Dunlap lazy, Spikes is overhyped and Jermaine Gresham?
I like all the others tho. Anthony Davis…I’d love to see him fall. As the Giants RT.
I like the idea of going D early and often…but you just don’t ignore spots on the team.
BPA, but modified (like last year with Nicks) is probably the best idea.
If they think Anthony Davis is gonna be a dominant RT for the next 10, then why not? Or if Davis falls…I think there’d be a ton of teams they could hold him hostage for and get some team to overspend.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
BPA ... who fits a need
Is, in my view, the best way to go. You can’t say … 1st round LB … 2nd round Safety, 3rd round OT, etc., etc. Just does not work that way.
You look at your board when your turn comes up and take the guy you think helps you the most. Period.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 23, 2010 9:34 AM EST up reply actions
and this is why..
like Hoot above…I don’t think its a horrible idea to get a player like Spiller.
Its always gonna be up to JR and all his cronies…but if Spiller is a top 5 pick to Reese and could be an impact player on offense…well, you just don’t go and reach for a LB, DT, or S at #15…
I don’t think its too tough to say that with a hopefully competent DC…that the defense will at least be average next year. I know they’ll force turnovers…cuz that seems like Fewell’s specialty.
If they have the Greatest Show on whatever the hell surface they’re using at the new Meadowlands…an average D that can get turnovers is all they really need.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
Reggie Bush is only a "bust"
since he was the #2 overall pick with #2 overall money. He’s also had a lot of injuries.
When he’s on the field…and not hurt, he’s one of the better weapons in the NFL.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
do they?
3rd down…aside from Steve Smith…is a problem.
Far as I saw…the Giants love running sweeps to Jacobs and AB. BOth aren’t in Spiller’s speed class.
PLUS!! Spiller’s more then that…and you know it.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
3rd down!
its a problem because are o line sucked ass.we got about 3 ’ a run. u know we have the weps. boss which we dont yous.y? i dont know. also barden will be incorperated more 2 stretch the field. if i recall we were ranked in the top 10 in Offense. 1 or 2 small tweeks can fix r red zone and 3rd.down. r d was a leaking siv. And jacobs should never b running sweeps. on spiller maybe he will b more,i dont know that but FA class is weak on D and alot of comp. there plenty rbs on the market. not many feature backs but thats not what we r looking 4.
I dunno what most of that says...
the running game was not why the team was ranking in the top 10….
Getting a RB who’s more suited for a passing team..someone like Spiller who can run routes out of the backfield…is a need, cuz they don’t have one.
Feature back is an old term…they need a back with 1st round talent…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
they would've done it this year...
if they had the players. All of them were hurt.
The only reason they need a RB is cuz Ware didn’t do anything, Andre Brown had a major injury, there’s a chance Jacobs is shot, and AB is having surgury on both feet and an ankle.
With all the weapons they have with the WR…I doubt they’re going to a run heavy offense…..
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
WE WILL JUST HAVE 2 WAIT N SEE.
BRAD WILL B FINE,JACOBS WILL DO HIS NORMAL 1/2 YEAR OF WORK. thats if we dont cut bait with him. brown is the big? but with free agents leon wasington, mike bell,jarious norwood,chester taylor old but still dangerous as a 3rd back. or willy parker in a incentive based deal. or lendale white as a power back for goal line needs. hes only 25 and only had 1 year 2 show what he has, if he has anything. we will be ok in the back field. just need 2 fix the oline
all those backs...
aside from maybe Taylor..are more injury prone then the guys we have.
Lendale White’s a POS.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
If we draft Spiller this year
we’re basically admitting we wasted our 5th round pick last year w/o the kid ever touching the field. add to that that we’d be wasting(IMO) our 1st round pick on a 3rd string back. he’s not jumping up through the ranks based on his draft day status. And if he is still on the board, our smartest move would be to trade down to a team who had Spiller high on there draft board, and get an extra pick out of the whole thing.
i feel you that this is a vision you have for the Giants future Free, but let’s be honest: it just ain’t happening.
fair enough..
and I like the idea of holding the pick hostage.
As I’ve skimmed through more RB scouting reports…it seems that Spiller’s probably unnecessary…
Tho…I just hope that those who are against this realize that if Spiller grades out as an IMPACT player….3rd string is not what he’d be.
Andre Brown ABSOLUTELY could be considered a waste of a pick…an RB doesn’t get an achilles injury with expectation he’s gonna return to 100%, whether he’s a rookie or a player who’s the heart and sole of your team.
Achilles is not a small injury…this guy probably will never be the same.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 10:07 PM EST up reply actions
i think andre brown will at least for another year not be who JR drafted
i do think however, JR is not going to admit defeat on someone he thought well enough to draft one year ago.
i don’t pretend to know anything about Spiller. He may be a star. i do know, that for the next few years, as long as earth and fire are in place, there will be no one else starting on this team. they are both young, and both obviously talented. and one is a physical freak. if to play devils advocate, Jacobs gets cut to save money, then we absolutely better either draft a back, or sign a free agent.
Is spiller the fastest guy in the draft?
If so, he won’t get past the Raiders. Senile Al loves collecting fast guys despite their needs.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
by gr8kicks on Jan 23, 2010 7:09 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Not particularly...
WR was a need last year, he Al just chose the fastest WR there was.
They got another WR later on (Louis Murphy) who may actually turn out to be a great pick. So he isn’t completely stupid, despite what we think.
Also, they have 3 runningbacks already, of average to above average quality. Not even Spiller’s speed would make Davis stupid enough to get a 4th early round RB.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I can see that...yet,
he’s got Run DMC already at RB. Also..I don’t think he goes for Taylor Mays, even if he runs a 4.3
I think the Raiders actually grab Rolando McClain if he’s there….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 7:55 PM EST up reply actions
I think they will go OT
hard to argue with a freak like that OT from Rutgers or even Bruce Campbell
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 10:12 PM EST up reply actions
I'd love to get Anthony Davis.
Campbell…while the talent is there, 17 games in 3 years means he’s not. The guy can’t stay on the field.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 10:18 PM EST up reply actions
and no...
Spiller’s not the fastest guy in the draft.
Jahvid Best is probably as fast (and a RB…), Jacoby Ford (his teammate) is faster, Trindon Holliday and Brandon James are faster too….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 7:56 PM EST up reply actions
more of a wildcat RB...
I really hope they at least try to put this in there. I understand they really don’t have anyone to run it as far as RB’s are concerned..and of course, Gilbride who probably refuses to use it more then once.
McCluster would be perfect for that…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
If Spiller
is the BPA then take him no doubt!!
I'm looking forward to the SBN mock... probably the best as each guy knows his team the best ...
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 23, 2010 1:12 PM EST up reply actions
Eric Berry
is the best safety in the draft. There is some debate on whether Mays or Thomas is 2nd best.
So are the best two safeties in the draft, Earl Thomas (Texas) and Taylor Mays (USC)….
Let's just say
best safeties who could be available to the Giants.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 23, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
Mays is horrible in coverage
not the guy we need IMO
I think it might depend on what the team is looking for?
In any event that either player could be paired with an existing S of the team that takes them, then you decide which one fits the need (improvement) better. As for the Giants, we virtually have no S’s (KP?), even the ones that tried, they were exposed in coverage. Which rookie excels better in coverage? From reading, Thomas would be the better player.
Though, they may seem to be rated closely now, as one probably does something better than the other, whether it’s against the run/pass, they moreless will cancel each other out overall. The combine should seperate them to clear this up.
Brian Price is an undertackle
He’s athletic but he’s not much of a run stopper. I think Dan Williams is the better choice.
That is exactly what we need
We need a pass rushing DT not another fat tack (Cofield)
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
No Brainer!! I guess!!! Lol
Your absolutely right, if Rolando McClain is available at the 15 spot or anywhere from11-15 we should trade up and get him, He is the smartest player in college football and is an emense athletic and physical prescence. bringing him in will fill in for what pierce brought to the table as far as being an on field coach! and if you couple that with his patrick willis like physical prescence on the field he would definetly be the pick here if it were up to me…… the only other two i would consider over him if they were still available between 11-15 would be Eric Berry and Suh! but that would be highly unlikely but things happen.
B.G.
Trading up?
I still don’t like that idea, but, i would only do it for a 2011 pick, not anything from this year. I’m not sure what other teams may have an interest in him, but i think picks 11 and to us are the Broncos and Dolphins territory, where he probably won’t last.
I'd trade Osi and a 3rd to Oakland for their 1st
Osi is signed for 2 more years and is 28-years-old. The Raiders traded a 2011 1st for 30-year-old Richard Seymour and Seymour is a free agent.
To your point.
I would trade Osi for a 2nd and a 4th, I also definetly would sign richard seymour and release Rocky bernard, seymour can play DT or LE in a 4-3 and would be able to be an every down payer who still is great and a very vocal leader, Seymour-McClain- a healthy Kenny Philips- a SS like cam Chancelor from V-tech in the 2nd-3rd round and i think that could be the base of another great off season for Jerry Reese.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
i love that plan
but I doubt it’d happen
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 23, 2010 1:14 PM EST up reply actions
2010 Draft
I like any pick that makes the Giants a better team. The Giants actually have alot of holes going into the 2010 season. So, I feel that the best course is to just take the best player that is available when the Giants pick at #15. If that is a DT, a LB, a DB or a OL, just take the best player. And keep doing that through each round. Any player can turn into a legit NFL player and just as easily turn into a bust.
There are good safety's in the lower rounds!!
I definetly would not use pick 15 on a DB unless it is berry safties like cam chancelor and Myron Rolle who was slated to be a high pick last yr if he didnt win the rhodes scholarship will still be available, but he would be an excellent 2nd or 3rd round pick 1st round has to be a MLB.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Earl Thomas is not all that far off of Eric Berry...
the hype machine hasn’t followed him as much…but Thomas is worth the 15th pick.
Kam Chancelor? Are you a Virginia tech fan? We have Aaron rouse who’s a clone of Chancelor. No reason at all to waste a pick on a slow big plodding safety.
Myron Role would be a great pick…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
Thats what i instantly thought
A SS from V-Tech, probably a rover type? Another Aaron Rouse perhaps? But seriously though, for as long as Frank Beamers been there, it always seems like they have weird defensive schemes? Are they a 4-3 base with a bunch of exotic wrinkles etc… Then again, when i think of the rover, a 4-6 comes to mind? Any idea!
Beamer ball...
is probably the best term for it…
They have good DB’s it seems every year. But I don’t think there’s a single player that’s played that rover position for them that’s ever succeeded in the NFL.
We have Rouse…I don’t understand the point of getting another one….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
Earl Thomas also hasnt been an impact player as log as Berry has!!
Kam Chancelor was just an example. we have the sideline to sideline safety in philips if healthy but Rouse is no where as much a big hitter that Kam is, he would be the prototypical SS in fewell scheme but like i said there is Myron rolle and some other guys out there that will be available later.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Earl Thomas is a 2nd year player...
Berry is a 3rd year player.
Berry was a top recruit to a team with zero starters at his position. Thomas went to a team, Texas, that had juniors and seniors starting at his safety position…so yea, Thomas hasn’t been on the scene as long…but didn’t have the hype.
…and no, Chancellor played the rover at Va Tech…exactly what Rouse did…He’s bad in deep coverage too. That is not a prototype S.
Exactly the type of safety the Giants should stay as far as possible from…unless they’re changing him to a LB (which…they should probably do with Aaron Rouse anyway….)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 12:40 PM EST up reply actions
and Rouse may not seem like the big hitter now...
cuz he’s too slow to get into position to do so. Chancellor can do that..cuz he’s playing the position to do that..and is going against college kids.
Earl Thomas lays big hits too. But he’s a playmaker in deep coverage and has cornerback speed and quickness.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 12:43 PM EST up reply actions
Whatever is not signed in free agency
will be the first round pick. My guess (and that’s all it is) is Jerry signs a MLB and drafts a DT or S at #15.
Prototype SS
Chancelor is the prototype SS for what perry fewell likes to do with his safeies, he plays single high so that means KP will be the single high at FS and the SS will spend most of his time in the box, Chancelor would excel at this position as that was his strength in college, and again if it isnt berry i would go LB i love earl thomas as well but Berry or LB at that spot for me.
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
well...
if Kam really..really? is the “prototype” for Fewell’s D…I mean, I hope he is.
Cuz they can get him in the 5th round most likely or reach for him in the 4th.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 1:52 PM EST up reply actions
If thats the case
Why even consider Chancelor? Though i’m confused as whose playing single high, but KP coming back is not 100% guaranteed. If Chancelor is a in-the-box type of player, we already have that in CC and Rouse.
Overall though, if McClain and Berry are gone, then what? The second best available (per position) whether it’s Spikes or Thomas? Which one is graded out higher, and what do we have to work with that is contractual to the Giants? Besides KP, the Giants S’s are more one dimensional entirely. They need speed and covering abilites, not someone who can lay the lumber when given the chance!
Rolando
My point is we cannot pass up on McClain if he is there, i think he is a DC dream especially at MLB
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
True
Your right about that he will be available in the later rounds, but forget Kam i really hope we steal myron rolle, he would be an excellent pick up in round 2 or 3
But dont tell em i told you that !!!!!
Can we do a poll as to whether we think the Giants will ...
Trade up – 3 of the mocks have McClain going to MIA at #12, and we can likely move from #15 to #11 if we throw in our middle 3rd rounder.
Pick at #15 (more likely a S or DT from these mocks)
Trade down – we could probably get an extra 2nd rounder if we trade all the way down to #26, with the 2nd rounder about the same place in that round.
How likely do we think an Osi trade is, and what kind of pick could we get for him ?
Safeties
I am generally against drafting safeties incredibly early. Unless they are a special player. Some of the better safeties of the last 15 years Darren Sharper, John Lynch, Bob Sanders were drafted outside of the first round. Obviously if Eric Berry is still on the board then take him but i’d rather get a safety in FA like Bethea.
I’m a firm believer in George Young’s “Planet Theory.” For those of you unfamiliar, basically there are a limited number of massive men (320+ in todays game) with the ability to be great and you must scoop them up when you get the chance. If there is a good defensive tackle available at this point it would be worth it to take him.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
I know the Giants have to rebuild the Linebacking corp and a a corner, but if CJ Spiller is available at 15 I hope they take him. He’ll be a bigger game breaker in the Pros than Reggie Bush ever thought of being.
How bout a real kicker?
Okay, just so I understand it... in your wildest fantasy, you are in hell. And you are co-running a bed and breakfast with the devil.
Like Nate Kaeding?
or Shayne Graham?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
This Years draft
is loaded with talent!!!!!!!
Bucky Brooks is a pure maroney....
I mean seriously he has the worst mock skills!I think alot of times when people do their mocks they get it in their heads that certain teams would best have certain needs filled by specific players and kinda has that influence them to have high rated players mysteriously drop and it is so unrealistic to do it that way….and way unprofessional!SUCH AS MCLAIN SPILLER AND WHOEVER ELSE ALL FALLING!!!Hopefully it works and he GMEN get Mclain.BUt really doesnt seem poss. at 15.I’m all for Price or DWill anyway.Even O-line.
and...WHY?
what is wrong with S at #15?
Sure..you can get good players later on. You can also get good everything else later on.
If the BPA is a safety…you’d pass that up? Earl Thomas as a prospect is not all that far off Eric Berry.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with Free
And I’m sure many others. I would get Darren Sharper AND draft a S within the first 2 rounds. If KP does come back he prob wont be 100% or close to that until 2011 if ever. George Wilson would be a nice pickup, I believe he is a FA, wouldnt cost alot, and has experience with Fewell’s system.
I dont have a problem drafting a S at 15 at all, as long as it’s the BPA. I would never reach for a S at 15, but its not good to reach for a player at any position. Earl Thomas at #15 would be great, especially if he can learn from Darren Sharper.
guys
we had the same players on defense basically this year as last what was the differnce our d/c was the head coach in st lou. the only def player i take in 1st round is mcclain other wise i’m picking a stud off player. eli needs help, a play maker! could be spiller but i like golden tate he will be the best off player to come out of this draft, and no i’m not a notre dame fan. i just have an eye for coll. players, just like i wanted brees when he was coming out of purdue. i’m not saying they should use the # 15 pick on tate but he should be on thier board b/c if you guys don’t know about him check him out percy harvin and macklin in 1

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