Deep Draft What Will Reese Do?
by giantblue63 on Jan 22, 2010 11:13 AM EST
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Because of the fear (or knowledge??) of the impending rookie salary cap a ton of underclassmen (but mainly juniors) are declaring for the draft. While the Giants have some definite needs, is it possible that the Giants will look to trade down from pick 15, preferring to pick up an extra 2nd round pick??
Check out the # of 5 star rated players in this years draft versus the last several, its an eye opener.
How's this for a potential move: The Giants trade the 15th pick for the 25th and 57th picks. Giving them the 25th, 47th and 57th.
Potential picks at those spots:
25th: Brandon Spikes, Dan Williams or Brian Price
47th: Terrence Cody, Bruce Campbell, Sean Witherspoon, Nate Allen
57th: Sean Lee, Arthur Jones, Chad Jones
Of course that has to be balanced by the possibility of getting Anthony Davis, Bryan Bulaga or Earl Thomas at 15.
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absolutely I think they should trade down...
Terrence Cody is a waste of a draft pick tho…he’s useless.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there- Yogi
yup.
I’m gonna laugh like a hyeena when some poor 3-4 teams drafts him to play NT thinking he’s the next Ted Washington…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there- Yogi
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 22, 2010 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
Well then
It’s bad enough we already have problems keeping our players conditioned to be healthy whereas Cody is not conditioned when healthy?! Make sense? Big red flag!
BTW, big Ted was pretty good back in the day. He kept a few LB’s happy!
oh no doubt...
Yet..Ted’s a potential HOFer…
Cody would just get free 72oz steaks from JR’s…..
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there- Yogi
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 22, 2010 12:41 PM EST up reply actions
if
hes available in the 3rd round we should defintley take him…he can constantly draw double teams and that would make osi tuck and kiwi attack the quarterback non stop
Cody wouldn't be on the field....
the guy can barely stay on the field for 2 out of 10 plays….he’s useless…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 9:13 AM EST up reply actions
I voted yes, only if certain players are gone
Plus when it comes to picks, i’m a greedy SOB! Another thing too, the Giants can address several areas and with only 7 picks, i think at least 9 would be nice to fill them.
And actually...
53 underclassman declared…which either is tied for the most or only 1 or 2 more then a few years ago.
..so the rookie scale didn’t really persuade that many…
most of the guys who were head scratchers to begin with…really weren’t gonna be in the the top 10 where they get the ludicrous money anyway….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there- Yogi
I think it did tie the record
I thought i seen somewhere that 23 Jr.‘s could go either in the 1st, or 1st and 2nd all together? To me, that seems like an insane amount? Is that indicative of their talent, or perhaps the Sr.’s are so-so and are getting bumped?
I would love this
But only if Mcclain is off the board. So much potential at S, LB, RB, DT that I would love the GMen to get in the first 2 rounds. I would be thrilled to trade back, or even trade up later picks for the 2nd round.
Some possible teams to trade with: Green Bay @ 23, Cincy @ 21, Houston @ 20, Steelers @ 18. I’m sure other teams would like to trade up also , but my thinking is Green Bay would love to get an OT/OG early (and the best will go 15 and earlier), Cincy needs Dez Bryant or Jermaine Gresham to be relevant in passing (outside of chad they’ve got nothin), Houston needs DB help as does the Steelers. Very possible suitors to trade back with…
Their ratings must have gotten more and more liberal over the years...
Number of guys with 5 stars, by year…
2010 – 69
2009 – 35
2008 – 30
2007 – 18
2006 – 8
2005 – 0
Something tells me they’re not very consistent over at scout.com.
What about trading up...
The Giants are only a couple of players away and IMO don’t need 6 or 7 draft picks. Lets trade up in Round 1 and get Berry and then go after a MLB and be done.
SEAN WEATHERSPOON...
…WOULD BE SICK 2ND RDER!BUT DON’T FORGET O-LINE ESP. RIGHT TACKLE. I REALLY THINK IF ANYTHING FEWELL COULD DO MORE WITH LESS AT SAFETY.MAYBE EVEN MAKE MIKE JOHNSON GOOD.
This and that
I don’t really like him, but was trying to be realistic with who might be on the board for each pick.
I don’t think Scouts Inc has gotten liberal, most drafts aren’t that deep. This year has no really obvious potential superstars except Suh. Berry probably 2nd most likely. No glamor QBs, or RB/WR to make jaws drop. But so many good solid players.
Many times you feel like your team struck out at the draft, when in reality there were no top players there by the time pick 20 rolls around.
Agreed...that is why you don't wait for pick 20
Trade up and get an impact player that can start as a rookie. Enough of getting players that sit for 2 years. We need to win now. We aren’t that far off.
How about
The giants trade osi or kiwi our 1st and 3rd round picks for say the 3rd or 4th pick and draft Eric Berry.
cuz they could get Earl Thomas at #15
or Morgan Burnett or Chad Jones at #47….and they could wind up being nearly as good, possibly better considering Fewell will be the one coaching them
Plus…that 3rd or 4th rounder could be a solid MLB or starting RT of the future.
…..plus, giving up Osi or Kiwi…means one less DE in the rotation…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 22, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Linebacker is the number 1 need especially after Pierce is gone, but if the Giants ever drafted Brandon Spikes it would be a huge mistake. They’re most likely not trading down either. They need an impact player right away to inject new life into the defense that collapsed this year.
if they trade down...
since it is a deep draft, they can get an impact player and get another pick (or two?) and fill some other holes.
If JR has the option of trading down…he’ll probably do it.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
Heres my big board for defense for the Giants
1. Suh
2. Berry
3. McCoy
4. Price
5. McClain
6. Thomas
7. Spikes
8. Griffen
9. Dunlap
10. Haden
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 12:26 AM EST reply actions
Oh wow, I forgot about him
Im not big on fat tack’s in our 4-3 so he would wind up around 8-9 infront of Griffen or Dunlap
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 6:50 PM EST up reply actions
Dan Williams over Brian Price
Williams is a better run stopper. Price gets pushed around by big O-linemen. Dallas and Philly have big O-lines and we saw how bad our pass rush looked against them this season.
Dan Williams doesn't rush the passer......
at all
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Let me explain
We don’t need a DT who is a pass rusher. That’s an under tackle. We have pass rushers.. We need a DT who warrants extra attention by being a big load in the middle, someone who can push an O-lineman back into the QB and not allow a QB room to step up and throw. It forces the QB outside the pocket, where our pass rushers await him. It also means that O-linemen won’t be able to double team our edge rushers. Thus, our pass rushers will get more 1-on-1 match-ups.
I understand that Williams might be better suited as a 3-4 NT and is inconsistent but I still want someone who is good against the run and big enough to push the pocket back. Hello Arthur Jones?
Couldn't agree less
Who exactly is a pass rushing DT on our roster?
Not Canty…..Not Cofield……Only Tuck and Alford (who is coming off major knee surgery). Big Fred was our other pass rushing DT but he got old and slow. That is EXACTLY what we need….a pass rushing DT – a 3-technique. Not some lazy fat tack. They do not rush the passer at all. He would compare to Pat Williams on the Vikings while Price is more like Kevin Williams.
That is exactly what the giants need – an under tackle.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 24, 2010 1:07 AM EST up reply actions
So where's your run stopper?
Kevin Williams has someone like Pat Williams to be the big clog in the middle. Who will be that for the Giants?
Canty can be that too....
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 8:43 AM EST up reply actions
I completely agree!
The Giants get the best pass rush when Fred Robbins or Jay Alford is in there taking on a center AND a guard. We are so undersized at DT(believing that speed rules), that we saw so many big runs against us up the middle of the defense and tons of double teaming on the ends on passing downs. Get some meat in there!!!
I'd trade down
I keep recommending that the Giants trade down. I’m not a fan of drafting a S at #15. i doubt McClain will be available. Price isn’t worth the #15 and I prefer Williams over him anyway.
1. DT Dan Williams
2. MLB Sean Lee
3. S Nate Allen
4. DE/OLB Brandon Graham – I’m a Michigan fan and I’ve seen him play. He’s a stud but he will go quickly.
why are people so obsessed with the first round safety thing?
Troy Polamalu and Ed Reed and Mike Griffen don’t seem like good 1st round safeties?
Earl Thomas had 63 tackles…4.5 TFL (which is quite INSANE for a safety…) and of course 8INT’s and 2 TD’s.
Earl is as good as ANY of the above coming out of college. Dude is absolutely worth the #15…that is, if he’s there.
…and Brandon Graham in th 4th round is probably a bigger pipe dream then Big Suh falling to the Giants in the 2nd round….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 23, 2010 7:48 PM EST up reply actions
Who said anything about Graham in the 4th round?
It was a list of players to take once you trade down. I said nothing about which rounds to take which players.
the list
What kind of a list is it then? Cause if your purposing Sean Lee as our Round one pick(to where ever we trade down to) that will never happne guy is first round talent and not worth taking specially over someone like Spikes… not sure Williams will be there say we are at 20-25th spot he probably won’t be, but then again we are all speculating, I just don’t see Sean Lee as a stud maybe you can change my mind let me know why your so high on the kid please inform me of what I’m missing so I don’t unfairly judge his talent…
All's Well that Fewell
If the Giants trade out of the 1st round
that means they will most likely have 2 2nd round picks. To me, any 2 of those 4 players is good for the 2nd round.
Out of the first
Then I agree if the can get Sean Lee with their second 2nd rd pick he could be worth it, its all a gamble its the NFL draft just wasn’t sure where you were thinking to grab these guys, I still think Williams is too good and won’t be there… Also if we trade completely out of the first we are going to get alot of good picks for our #15 for sure… I’m not against it but being that we need actually starters I would rather them take the gamble on a 1st round pick that most people think will be a star or stud… we have wayyy too many later round picks on LBs and Safeties and DTs that haven’t really worked so well
All's Well that Fewell
I'd love to trade with the Patriots...
for their 1st rounder and one of their many 2nd rounders…maybe someone they like (like Dan Williams…) falls and they make the trade up?
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 12:48 AM EST up reply actions
Belichick
is a notorious trade-downer who’s been stockpiling picks for a while now, I don’t think we’re getting anything from him
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2010 11:15 AM EST up reply actions
probably...
yet, he’s been stockpiling all these 2nd rounders…and the defense has consistently regressed.
Maybe he finally trades up for an impact player? Then again…maybe the Giants should be taking that impact player?
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 11:41 AM EST up reply actions
well...
aside from Graham…that’s where all those players are projected…
WIlliams round 1, Lee and Allen 2-3. Graham is round 2..so that’s why I saw that and said that.
Brandon Graham..probably not a good fit for the Giants right now, unless they’re trading Kiwi or Osi. He’s more of a DE since we’re keeping the 4-3..he’s bigger then Sintim.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
If we are to draft a DE
I’d rather it be someone in the lower rounds…. a raw athletic project that Umenyiora and Tuck can teach for the future.
No point in using a 1st day pick on someone who will get burried behind tuck umenyiora and kiwi when we have needs at dt, lb, s and ot.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 24, 2010 1:10 AM EST up reply actions
yup..
like 6th or 7th rounder…someone maybe undersized that’s a tweener..but fast.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
There have been 14 safeties drafted in the 1st round since 2000
Naming two future HOFers doesn’t automatically mean that it’s OK to draft a S in the 1st round. Thomas is undersized. He’s 5’10 190 lbs and I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that he’s actually shorter. I hope he puts on some weight. The last thing the Giants need is a safety who gets injured because of his small size, a la Bob Sanders and Troy Polamalu.
Mike Griffen is generously listend at 6"0 200
and came from Texas..and Earl Thomas was better then him.
Drafting players for their “size”…is exactly what gets you Dwayne Jarret vs. Steve Smith.
Can the guy play football? The fact he was a playmaker all season and stood out so much on a star ladden defense..one that will produce a bunch of NFL draft picks…means he’s legit.
I don’t care that he’s 5"10 190 (tho he’s heavier then that)…he can cover, make plays and make tackles.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
We aren't talking about a WR
We’re talking about someone who will have to be a sure tackler, especially in a Tampa 2. Like I said, if he can bulk up then he’s fine but he has to bulk up for him to be effective. We’re not drafting a CB here.
I don’t know why you think he’s heavier than 190 but OK.
cuz he's listed at 197...that's why I think he's heavier.
And what does being bigger have to do with it?
Earl THomas wrapped up Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson no problem. Those are 2 NFL size (or bigger) RB’s. Just a few examples..but he does it all the time. The guys’ a wrap-up tackler.
Size…as in Taylor Mays…is not everything.
Here’s one for ya….Earl THomas is the EXACT HEIGHT AND WEIGHT OF JAIRUS BYRD.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 8:46 AM EST up reply actions
I saw him listed somewhere at 5'10 190 lbs.
ESPN has him at 5’11 198 lbs and other places have him at 5’10 197 lbs. Regardless, my point is that he will need to bulk up because he’ll get injured. By the way, Jairus Byrd couldn’t finish his rookie season and was placed on on IR and he was a 2nd round pick.
bulking up doesn't always help you....
he probably could be benefited by getting over 200…but not too much.
That’s Jairus Byrd…and that’s the Bills, who had worse injury luck then the Giants.
Injuries cannot be predicted. Luck is probably the best way to avoid them in football….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
Bulking up
Kid is young he will grow 3 or 4 cup sizes in the next 6 months, maybe even start having his happy trail connect to his chest hair.. and 5’10" 197pds of muscle isn’t all that little when the kid can play
All's Well that Fewell
What about CJ Spiller?
Hey! I am all for defense(and we do need it) with our first pick, but if a guy like CJ Spiller is still available I think we have to take him. Jerry Reese has done it before by drafting the best player than for need. This guy is a player we have always missed out on, if we get him we will have our own version of a Devin Hester, Deshawn Jackson, Darren Sproles. He is a lightning rod of talent and potential. BLUF if he is there grab him and don’t look back.
maybe if we want to win every game 45-42
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 23, 2010 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
if you think the defense will remain EXACTLY the same with Perry Fewell insteand of BS...
then yea..that’s good reasoning…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 12:45 AM EST up reply actions
Of course it will
but that doesn’t mean he can make them into a top unit when the talent is clearly not there. our LB’s are a weakness, our DT’s are average, our Safeties are atrocious.
BS wasn’t the only reason why they were so bad this past year you can’t ignore that.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 24, 2010 1:15 AM EST up reply actions
of course it was more then BS...
it was also a ton of injury.
Never said you can ignore it….
But you can’t ignore the OL situtation and the RB situation…
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 24, 2010 8:48 AM EST up reply actions
OL yes
I wouldn’t take any RB unless it was too great to pass up, which you’re saying Spiller is… who knows… I say D is too important right now. I’d be fine with Jacobs, Bradshaw, Ware, and Gartrell.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 25, 2010 11:18 AM EST reply actions
I agree.
OL should be the only offensive position drafted simply because I expect Barden, Beckum and Ware to get more playing time and be part of the offensive game plan next season. That’s 3 skill players that really didn’t play at all this year.
Ware is probably as good as gone tho....
he had time to prove himself and did the opposite of that.
The only difference with the RB position and the safety position is these RB’s have a track record.
All are injury prone and getting offseason surgery.
….RB is a big problem….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 11:42 AM EST up reply actions
I don't think
That they’ll get rid of Ware until they have a good read on the health of Jacobs, Bradshaw and Brown. I’m not sure why you think Ware had time to prove himself. He was hurt most of the year and had very few meaningful carries. Everybody wants to crucify him for his fumble in the denver game, but there are are damn few backs who never fumble. Maybe if the Giants take a running back in the middle rounds that they feel comfortable with, they’ll let Ware go. Or if they feel more comfortable with Gartrell, or the other three have mad good recoveries. But I think that decision won’t be made until camp. Taking a RB in the first round or even in the second would be a big mistake. History shows that first round running backs can be very iffy, and it’s better to spend early round picks on O-lineman who can make any back look good.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Jan 25, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
It wasn't that fumble at all...
Ware was back healthy after that one…yet, Jacobs and AB obviously weren’t…obviously, the team doesn’t think highly enough of him.
And I think this idea of “getting players later on” in the draft, is what’s done them in at positions like RB and Safety.
They wait to find value…or they don’t draft it at all in the case of safety.
Granted..if no one’s there, don’t reach.
But if the BPA is a RB..someone like Jonathon Dwyer who’s a bigger and faster version of Shonn Greene…why are we passing on someone like this to get someone in the later rounds? Especially since there’s reasons why guys like Jacobs, Bradshaw and Andre Brown fall (injury prone in college or their running styles subject them to future injuries).
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 3:23 PM EST up reply actions
Concussion
After he returned from the elbow injury, didn’t Ware have a concussion.? I’m pretty sure his availabilitywas limited. When ware was in there his numbers (granted a limited sample) were no worse than Jacobs’ numbers. I think Coughlin got caught up in the game of going with the established players as much as possible this year because he was afraid of being second guessed. That’s why it took so long to get Goff on the field.
So many can’t miss running backs are busts, and mid round guys like Ryan Grant give as much bang for your buck. I don’t think the Giants have hurt themselves at all by going with later round guys like Bradshaw and Jacobs. They’ve ben a lot better than first round guys like Dayne and Wheatley. Plaus all running backs are vulnerable to injury and have about the shortest shelf lives of any NFL position.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Jan 25, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
13 carries
Ware had all of 13 carries. That’s not enough to say he was a bust. He did fine on those 13 caries averaging over 5 yards a carry. And his injuries last year were not leg injuries. So of the five potential backs, he and Johnson (who averaged less than 4 per carry on his 13 carries) are the only two not coming back from leg related injuries. He ought to get a chance to compete for a spot. He may not make the team, but it would be kind of silly to ditch him before we know what kind of RB depth we have. Given our other needs, I just think taking a running back in the first three rounds is a waste of pick. We need to get quality bodies in to compete for spots on the defense and we need to keep rejuvenating the offensive line.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Jan 25, 2010 3:42 PM EST up reply actions
they need to get more talented at the RB position...
Jacobs and Bradshaw will get injured. Set that in stone. The extent..who knows, but usually Jacobs is during the Dallas game.
Ware might be in the rotation…he might not. Gartrell had every opportunity to prove himself in practices and earn a few carries…but he didn’t.
All I’m saying…RB needs to be up there with the other needs, cuz there may be no one here who you can rely on.
Andre Brown you can’t expect to be 100% ever again because Achilles injury is a real bad area for a RB…who injures their Achilles anymore anyway?
They need to get a RB here..
If Jacobs and Bradshaw are gonna be on the team…they need a 3rd back who is equal caliber…NOTHING less.
Who is that third back?
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 4:14 PM EST up reply actions
FB we don't need a 100 RB's
1 main back (Jacobs) 1 change of pace back (Bradshaw) and 1 guy for depth (Ware / Brown / Johnson)
If they want to improve the running game then they are going to have to improve the oline.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 25, 2010 4:39 PM EST up reply actions
If we had normal backs...
then yea, we go “main back”, Change of pace and depth.
We don’t have that…and you know it.
Jacobs WILL get hurt and not be as effective (as he is on the first 2 plays of the season). Bradshaw’s been hurt every year.
The Giants need 3 RB’s. They need 4.
They had ZERO in 2009…both were hurt all year…
They need to improve the OL and the RB’s…
If they don’t…I’m gonna hate to say “told ya so”….
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 4:54 PM EST up reply actions
There is no reason to expect Bradshaw won't be better
next year or that Andre Brown won’t be ready to go. With Bradshaw, Jacobs, Ware, Brown and Johnson there is no reason to expect a drop off in production especially since the Giants are a precision passing team now. Injuries happen but Bradshaw ran with bone spurs in both feet! We have talented and tough guys in the backfield no need to add another this year.
you wouldn't add a single RB?
and there’s every reason to think Brown won’t be 100% or Bradshaw make it through a whole season.
…aight I’m done on the RB.
You all better HOPE that JR gets a RB…cuz the running game’s gonna be in trouble with Jacobs being a puss and Bradshaw as the only back on the team (and its a matter of time before he gets hurt in that situation…)
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 25, 2010 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
You're acting like Jacobs will get hurt in the first play of the new season
He will last at least 10-12 games, same with Bradshaw, and we don’t need Brown / Ware to play like he is Adrian Peterson…….he should just run the ball 10-15 times a game so the play action works.
I’m not saying that we shouldn’t draft a RB at all but you’re overreacting. But we have much bigger needs on defense and Oline even. If someone like Dwyer drops to the 3rd round then sure that will be a good pick but lets not take one instead of a promising MLB/DT/S just because he is BPA.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 3:25 AM EST up reply actions
speaking of AP
Conf. Champ. was the first Vikings game I’ve really seen this year (yes, I barfed and left the TV in week 17) and he is amazing.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 26, 2010 9:14 AM EST up reply actions
Even when he fumbled it
he ran jet speed and went and got it. I was sure NO would recover it.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Dwyer
Won’t get out of the first round and just ask Peyton how drafting talent to put around him in the first round instead of defense has worked out… I’m not against taking a stud DT or LB or S I’m all for it but if Reese takes Dwyer I am not mad at him either… A talented player like that will only make Eli and our offense better instead of getting 3 points or leaving our D with a short field we get 7pts or pin them inside the 10 and our D has alot more to work with.. Both sides of the ball compliment each other plain and simple
All's Well that Fewell
The difference is they make that D work
with a bunch of UDFA’s while ours was awful even with quality draft picks
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 12:07 PM EST up reply actions
Give Fewell a chance
But we have had some awful UDFA’s, FA’s and bad Drafts… I agree we do need to draft better on D that said I’m willing to let Fewell work his magic if they think RB or OL is the best for us and we can still get quality D in 2nd/3rd round or trade back to pick up extra high picks to mix it up then i’m 100% ok with it… We really do need help in alot of areas thats the problem besides WR QB DE CB you can make a good argument to draft one in the first round… going to be a long offseason
All's Well that Fewell
We don't need an All-Pro at every position
a good DT, and a S that knows how to play deep zone are pretty much the only things that we really need.
Goff can be an adequate MLB with an offseason of work, and I’m confident we can get make the OL work with the current roster if there were some changes.
A healthy Tuck will do wonders for our defense as well
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 26, 2010 1:31 PM EST up reply actions
All-Pro
I think we need an All-Pro at LB more then anything, a young fast saftey from the draft, OL depth and a FA DT would probably be best who knows what they will do but I’m sick of watching a bunch of SCRUB LBs like Goff.. Boley I can deal with Sintim gets a pass but we need a play maker/leader in the middle… McClain/Spikes type…
All's Well that Fewell
Not the same
The Colts still have talent. Which player on our D-line is as good as Dwight Freeney? Maybe Tuck but he was injured. Which player in our secondary is as good as a healthy Bob Sanders? Maybe Phillips can get to his level but he was injured too. Which player out of our LBs is as good as Gary Brackett? Nobody.
This is why its not just about the players
Guys you mentioned are good at least partially because they were selected for a system. How good would Freeney be in the Giants 4-3? Probably not very too many times would be called on as the point of attack guy (at 245 he wouldn’t stand a chance)
shoot the three jerry.
trade kiwi and next drafts 2nd rounder…
and lets get our starting safety and dt of the future
Mclain....
…..is the man and worth trading up for!!!Pro Bowl caliber.After Patrick Willis comes this guy!Worth dippin’ into next years draft,bigtime!
you never dip into next years draft.
If anything…you trade into it.
You've got to be very careful if you don't know where you are going, because you might not get there
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 27, 2010 8:44 AM EST up reply actions
No can't agree with you this time...
not when we’re talking about Mclain,anyway.Close as it gets to a P.Willis clone.He’s got that man among boys thing going and that’s in the SEC no less.Need an on-field defensive captain?There he is.The guys supposedly a film rat.Could he replace what A.P. brought to the field as a leader/on-field coach?Probably sooner than later.Could be one of the most physically dominant LB’s to wear Blue in a long time!Plus w/ all the Jr.‘s coming out for this draft next yr’s should be thin anyway
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