Sean Payton: From so-so Giants assistant to ... this?

considering Brees is there.

I really don’t see NO being anywhere w/out Brees….yes, he benefits from having Patyon there as an offensive minded HC but I really think that he’s the straw that’s mixing the drink down in NO.

a lot of credit should be put on the new DC that finally taught that team the concept of Defense.

I’m not really surprised. He did some good things in NY and Dallas but he didnt seem as consistent. But he didnt have the weapons here or in Dallas that he has in NO.

They have the talent there. He was always regarded as a bright offensive mind…kine like Josh McDaniels.

Its just…as a coordinator, McDaniels was made to look like a genius with Tom Brady.

Sean Payton was made too look like a fool with the BONEHEAD Kerry Collins.

…now, Payton’s got Drew Brees….a 1st ballot HOFer.

I don’t wanna take any more away from him…but that QB does allow for a mind like Payton’s to work at its best.

at running back hasn’t he? And Reggie Bush is just now healthy and productive.

Back when he was at the Giants he had some success. Wasn’t he the OC during the whipping we put on the Vikings in the playoffs? It seems unfair to fault him for his downfall in NY when it seemed the whole Giants organization was headed for a transition.

If he wins it all this year he will be the favorite person in New Orleans….and rightly so

When Payton was with the Giants, he tried to run an offense that was way too complex for knuckleheads like Shockey and Collins to handle. Occasionally (2000 NFC Championship,) it worked. But mostly, the punter got a lot of work. He learned, he simplified a bit, and then he got players (including, oddly enough, Shockey,) who could execute it. I’m happy for him, for the Saints, and especially for the city of New Orleans.

But no, I didn’t see it coming. Payton’s a good dude, but he’s also a good dude who had some good luck.

a good offense, a defense that has done well enough, and a good coaching staff.
He may be billed as a “bloody genius” but it doesn’t mean that he is.
There’s just not enough history to prove that IMO.
It looks as if it’s more of a matter of everything coming together at the right time, again IMO. But it’s obvious that all of the players have bought into whatever it is that the coaches are selling, and that does say a lot.

it’s very simple, the reason is Drew Brees. Every offensive coordinator who has a great QB is always hailed as a genius. Let’s see how Weis does with Cassel as his QB in KC. Even Gilbride was suddenly lauded as a potential coaching candidate after Eli had his best season this year.

but like some others mentioned above he did have his moments with the G-Men. He got to fancy from time to time with the reverses and stuff, he still does down in NO but he could dial up a really good game here and there. (2000 NFC championship game was genius).

Those Giant teams were a bit makeshift on O, they never really had a good line outside of 2000, Tiki did not become a starter untill 2000 and even then he rotated with Ron Dayne, and when Kerry did not have perfect protection he sturggled physically and mentaly but when the line was blocking well Payton got a lot out of Kerry and those guys.

Lets be honest though he’s been a bit like his mentor Jim Fassel. Like Fassel his resume as an OC was questionable when hired as a HC and in his their first 4 years they both were very up and down. He wins the division and gets to conference title game his first year, does not make the playoffs the next two years, then gets the #1 seed. Lets compare that to Fassel.

                 Fassel Payton
Year 1 10-5-1 10-6
Year 2 8-8 7-9
Year 3 7-9 8-8
Year 4 12-4 13-3

Payton did better in the playoffs in year one making it to the conference final but by their fourth years they were able to get 1 seeds in the playoffs and like the G-Men in 2000 they seem destined for the SB the only thing in their way is Minnesota. In fact their records through 4 years are almost identical. Kinda wierd right? Even John Fox has never made consecutice playoff appearances in Carolina, what is it with these Fassel guys they struggle with inconsitancy just as much as he did.

then they become a hot commodity because everybody’a watching. Look at Brian Shottenhiemer of the Jets. He’s an average OC at best but becasue he called a very good game against Cinncy in the playoffs he’s a hot commodity. I mean any success they have on O is casue they a really good O-line and have some good backs not becasue of great play calling. If anything he’s shown a propensity to put his QB’s, ie Pennington, Favre, and Sanchez in bad situations until the HC steps in. But he’s the next big thing now. Payton was labled genius after that 2000 NFC Championship game and carried that along with the discovery of Tony Romo into a HC job.

aren’t most of us better at what we do than we were 7 years ago. Nothing can replace experience.

Also, Sean has many weapons. Brees is much better than anything he had to work with in NY.