New York Giants position breakdowns: Quarterback
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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As we continue our series of New York Giants position-by-position breakdowns, it is time to talk about quarterback.
The Giants have problems to address in several areas as they begin planning for 2010. Quarterback is not one of them.
Eli Manning is the best player the Giants have. And he is now in the prime of his career.
Eli will never be Peyton. He will never be what former GM Ernie Accorsi promised when he traded for him back in 2004 -- the second coming of Johnny Unitas. That, by the way, is Peyton.
What he will be, as I have said before, is the best quarterback in franchise history. He is an upper echelon NFL quarterback right now playing the best football of his career.
If you disagree, I have no idea what you have been watching. And I know there is no way I will ever convince you.
Eli set several career bests in 2009.
- His first career 4,000-yard (4,021) passing season.
- A 62.2 percent completion percentage.
- A 93.1 quarterback rating.
- An average of 251.3 passing yards per game.
- Twenty-seven touchdown passes.
When it comes to quarterback for the New York Giants, I have no doubt Eli Manning is up to the job. What I really think we need to talk about it is who will, or should, be the backup in 2010.
David Carr has been a perfectly acceptable backup for the Giants for the past two seasons. He played well in his limited opportunities in 2009. Carr, though, is a free agent and you would have to think he might go looking for a place where he might be given an opportunity to compete for a starting job. To be honest, I don't know if there is such a place right now. I have doubts, though, that Carr will be back.
The question is then, do we trust the untried Rhett Bomar to be the No. 2 quarterback? I loved what I saw from Bomar is limited snaps during the 2009 training camp. He has a big arm and a nice presence, but the fact that he beat out Andre Woodson for the practice squad slot does not mean he can be an NFL quarterback.
I hope he can. In fact, I think he can. And I think that the Giants would like to give him every opportunity to earn that job. After all, General Manager Jerry Reese spent draft picks two years in a row trying to find a player to groom as backup quarterback. If Carr leaves, though, you would have to think the Giants will find a veteran quarterback somewhere to bring in and compete with Bomar.
Keep: Manning, Bomar
Dump: Carr
Draft/Free Agency Priority: 5 (though if Carr leaves the Giants will need a veteran to compete with Bomar)
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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So I guess it gets a 6
on draft need?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Oops
I forgot that part. Guess I will have to go add it. LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed wholeheartedly
Nice writeup.
To me, Manning has basically made incremental improvements year-to-year since he entered the league, culminating in his Pro Bowl-caliber season this year. (Some of the statistical regression he made back during the Super Bowl season can be attributed to the loss of Barber, his all-world safety blanket from early in his career.) He is now clearly a Top 10 QB, and I can envision scenarios next year where he enters the Top 5.
I think we need to trade up for Tim Tebow!!
Maybe a QB that shows some more emotion and crys like a school girl after a loss, will be better?
Also, I hear he’s a true leader..an inspiration!
……
Eli makes this era of Giants football a treat to watch. He may be 29, entering his prime, yet, I feel he’s just getting started…even for someone who’s accomplished what he’s done.
I don’t think the Giants can fully go all Indy Colts and make the offense “Manning or bust”..cuz well…Eli<Peyton, of course.
But look at the stable of weapons they got. 4 young WR, a gigantic TE (supposedly) and maybe his own version of Vincent Jackson (Barden) and Dallas Clark (Becks).
Now…if we follow FreeBradshaw’s 2010 mock draft, the NYG’s trade up in the 2nd round and get Jahvid Best…called by some, preseason at least, the next Marshall Faulk. Whatever he is…he’s a complete back, but more of a Brian Westbrook type. I like Westy.
Even more weapons :)
Regardless of pipe dreams on JR drafting 7 (or 6) all Pro’s….Eli’s OL is gonna have to come together next year. I think they took a step back, probably cuz they were injured and better suited for run blocking.
Tweak here, tweak there..I think the OL will be fine…maybe even no tweaks.
…what does this all have to do with Eli?
…Eli has an even better 2010 and has his first season that trumps Big Bro…at least stats wise.
Boom.
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Eli
as long as the defense gets better the Giants will be fine. Better health w/Hedgecock and the o-line, and maybe some change there will help. But, the key is getting better defensively.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions
yea no doubt...
I mean..all in all I could care less how good Eli does..I mean, I think its a given he does well.
Becoming that complete team, really like they were in 2008, is more important.
Improving speed, depth and just the overall talent level is key. Also, some injury luck would be nice…I think down in Jersey they must’ve imported some of Buffalo’s water for the season….
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions
sorry, no tebow
we don’t need any bible thumpers. this is NY, not some middle america backwater.
by NYer in a strange land on Jan 18, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
There are nothing wrong with religious people
it is just that the hardcore “you need the bible or your life is incomplete, unlike me” types are what have given this negative stereotype. Tebow seems like a fairly respectful dude, though if given time maybe he will reveal himsself as one of those unable to not push his beliefs onto others.
There's no bigger Tebow fan than me...
…but he’d be all wrong for the Giants. The only way he makes it in the NFL as a QB is with the 49ers, and even then, it’d take a while. Although...if he fell completely off the board…wouldn’t he make a killer safety/special teams ace? Maybe even a LB?
I left my swagger in my other pants.
ehhhhh
i’m gonna have to disagree here. tebow is a talent and a great football player, but he most certainly DOES beat us over the head with religion week in and week out. he displays psalms on his eyeblack every week. he references his faith in every press conference. he is starring in a christian commercial during the superbowl.
men of faith exist in the league, but i compare tebow to someone like mike singletary who wears a cross but doesn’t beat anyone over the head with it. tebow’s religious views are fair game if he continues to publicly show them.
I am referring to those
that are in your face about how you need god to save you. Real christians know (or think) they are saved but it is not their place to be overbearing and in the face of those who think differently. That si what I refer to.
lets wait and see
the content of his anti-abortion superbowl ad.
Again, not saying he isn't capable
just no sign of it thus far to be that bad.
lol...
you all know that was completely /sarcasm right?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 2:11 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, but when has that ever stopped us?
EXAMPLE:
Who’d make a better CB: Big Bird? Elmo? or Grover?
Big Bird’s got the height…
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Elmo was Prime Time before Deion....
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
When have you seen Tebow
thump anyone with the Bible? By the way, I see guys pointing to the sky all the time after they score a TD. What are they pointing to? A coming NorEaster?
Gimme a break. He hasn’t forced his religion on anyone.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Simms
its a pointless debate as to who was the best in franchise history, but Phil was on his way to canton until he broke his foot.
don’t get me wrong, i love having eli, and he is the best player on the current squad.
but phil didn’t have the weopons eli has now. & phil played in an era when 2 of the best ever played (montana & that miami guy) – no way phil would ever win that debate!
i’ve been watching since the tittle days. #1 – simms. #2 – eli
by NYer in a strange land on Jan 18, 2010 11:23 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
Eli Manning
Phil Simms played with the Best Defense. It took Phil Simms 4 years to put up the stats Eli did his first full year. Eli Manning Is one of (if not the) most clutch QB in the NFL. Eli only had 1 weapon Plaxico Burress and 1 future weapon Hakeem Nicks. Steve Smith is nothing without Eli, their relationship is just based on chemistry.
c'mon man...
don’t be talking like that about #12. Lot of its chemistry…but Smith is probably outmatched by only Wes Welker in his ability to get open.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions
True
But he would be a true weapon if he could get some YAC like Wes Welker.
He does not run Wes Welker type routes.
Only thing you can compare is their ability to get open.
Welker is faster and quicker, tho Steve is no slouch.
The way Welker’s used in NE, lot more screens, slants..more so stuff on the move.
Steve Smith is more of button hooks and ins that end up as come back routes.
Welker’s routes are designed to get YAC. Steve’s are designed to just find a hole in the defense.
Of course, each run their share of the same routes…but more so Welker on the move and Smith finding a hole in the D.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
True Again.lol
But to come next year i think we would have the best Receiving Group, Only If Ramses or Manningham can step up into the #2 role. Steve Smith is naturally a slot receiver, And if we can put him there then our passing offense will be similar to New England"s if not better. Plus if somehow someway we can put Travis Beckum at Fullback he would have so many threats in the passing game. So many possibilities, Our Futures look bright!
he does get YAC
about a yard each time he falls over :-) lol…
but Smitty is the main man! he racks up catches
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I think
There was a guy in Denver and perhaps one in Buffalo who might complain about not being included.
by mypisceannature on Jan 18, 2010 12:46 PM EST up reply actions
Love Simms
in the end Eli will go down at the best Giants QB.
If the OL and D improves
we will run more and Eli stats will be less!
Unless we are changing to a passing team given our options at WR.
by G Fan in England on Jan 18, 2010 11:26 AM EST reply actions
Huh?
If The Giants Run like before, Eli is still going to have 500 passing attempts, just like he did every year in the NFL. Its not like this year he had 600 passing attempts.
interesting point.
Eli’s actually thrown his second FEWEST attempts in 2009 !!! (aside from his rookie season)
I mean…wow, that was the last thing I would’ve thought.
He probably does end up with around 500+ attempts again.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions
Who said
anything about attempts.
If we play better in 2010 Eli will have less yards and TD’s which are the stats Ed alluded to in his article ie 4,000 yards and 27 TD’s both career highs.
by G Fan in England on Jan 18, 2010 5:31 PM EST up reply actions
I hope the new stadium doesn't have a wind problem
Eli did very well in Giants Stadium because there was less wind than most years.
with Global Warming
I think it’s safe to say, that Eli will have an even better year with his stats and handling no trade/circular winds at the new stadium! you can take that to the bank! :-)
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with Global Warming
I think it’s safe to say, that Eli will have an even better year with his stats and handling no trade/circular winds at the new stadium! you can take that to the bank! :-)
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Who knows.
Different sports but, Yankees Stadium was designed to be a bit more of a pitchers park but now its a Home Run park
the old stadium
was a pitcher’s park, but favored lefty batters b/c of the short porch…and the New Yankees Stadium was designed the same way, at least field-wise, but having gone to a few games in the new stadium – I did realize that there were more openings for wind to go through and it felt a lot more windy… and I noticed a lot more spacious..meaning the layout of the seats and again the extra openings…
so I read something on how the New Yankee Stadium doesn’t have the seats stacked right on top of each other like the old one does and something along those lines actually help the winds gush towards right center more…
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I know this should go in the yankee site and not on here
but if you are interested in that article on speculation of why it has become a homer friendly park…check it out: http://nationalsportsreview.com/sports/us/NateArchambault/2009/04/21/angle-of-seats-turns-new-yankee-stadium-into-a-wind-tunnel/
..pretty interesting regarding the seats…I wonder how legit it is…so, it’s a possibility if the seats are stacked differently in the new Giants stadium how it would affect the amount of wind and how the winds carry (do they swirl or go straight through, etc.)… and not just the seats, but what Landeta mentioned about the 4 tunnels instead of 2 as well..
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Wasn't it just an early season thing
and when it became summer home runs went back to the mean?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
it's funny you mentioned that...
I also thought the same thing, and this article goes on to mention
“If this theory is correct, … that only games played during westerly winds above 10mph will be affected, and that these conditions only occur during the spring and middle-to-late fall.”
hence it backs up that whole thing where it stopped occurring when the weather got warmer towards Summer
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I'm not an aerodynamic engineer
But it would seem logical to think that air flow meeting a more vertical structure would be more resistant, thus creating an effect of the air flowing in different directions which may cause swirling. How sustained of wind or air flow may also come into play?
It looks as if both new stadiums and the angle of how the seats are aligned, would give the air flow a less of a resistance and it would allow it to travel on the direction it is intended on, out of the stadium!
I know, right, common sense would dictate that...
I guess that’s ONE of the reasons why I’m looking forward to the stadium, quite frankly, I’m hoping the play of the winds would be different and hence help our Kicker and QB out…the only thing I realize though is that it would be one of our advantages that we would lose… although, how would it be our advantage- you’d ask, well, it’s an advantage b/c being the home team – the Giants are more accustomed to those conditions hence playing more favorably for them…but if we have no Defense then it really doesn’t matter (at least after this past season :)
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Geezus crying out loud Hoot..
You just made me feel like I rubbed a damn balloon on my head..My hair is standing up on end.. !!
Sorry Bobbi...
Bzzzzzzt, thats only simplistic static electricity. Kind of like walking across a rug on a dry winter day and touching someones nose, bzzzzzzt! lol Maybe i got carried away with my analysis?
One thing is revealing though, and at your stage of longevity, you can still play with balloons and the HAIR, experiment?! lol :p
So you must know what i'm talking about?
With the rug and nose bzzzzzt? I use to do it on purpose to people. Sometimes it does hurt, which in a twisted way makes it funny! lol
Whats next… pull my finger experiments? lol
New Stadium
It has four instead of two tunnels so the wind should not be as much of a problem but we’ll see
by Landeta on Jan 18, 2010 12:58 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Watching the Playoffs this Year
Makes me even happier Eli is the qb of the Gmen. NFC qbs I would take over Eli right now? Maybe Brees or Aaron Rodgers. No one else is even in the conversation as far as I’m concerned. Favre and Warner are just too old to think about after this year. AFC qbs I’d take over Eli? His brother, Brady, and I quess you could put Big Ben in the conversation. Now if Fewell can whip the defense into shape we’ll have some meaningful football again next January…
Playoffs
I was also thinking about some of the bad quarterback play we saw. Romo, Rivers, Flacco certainly did not distinguish themselves.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions
I am still unsure
of just how much of the blame lies with Romo for yesterday. yeah he did some terrible things, but how often did he get any time from his o-line? That pick though… Romo has to take a ton of blame for that one.
Yea but.
The QB can’t have it both ways. When the team is performing well they get the credit so its only right when the team does bad they should take the blame, Just like Eli did for all these years. Great QB’s step up when the team needs em’ the most, Tony Romo took one step forward this year now its time for him to try and run. But Im a Giants Fan so i take that back, Tony Romo stay miserable! lol.
Remember the recent analysis in the NY Times that rated
Eli # 10 and Romo # 3? Couldn’t prove it by Romo’s showing yesterday. And how about Rivers and his # 1 rating?
I think
Eli would Perform Better than Philip Rivers in San Diego. Eli Thrived with Plaxico and on that team he would have 3 Plaxico’s and Playing 3 team 2 times a year who is really bad (Oakland, KC & Broncos) And Remember Eli had a Perfect Qb rating against Oakland which Philip never did. Philip is in a Division where he can pad his stats 6 times a year.
Oh I agree
hence my saying it is not all on him, but he definitely gets a portion, no doubt about it.
Romo isn't why they lost
He didn’t distinguish himself like you said, but they have more problems than Romo.
He had success driving them down the field early, it just didn’t turn into points.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I agree with that
He didn’t distinguish himself like Ed said.
But there were bigger problems than Romo
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Yeah, I gotta give Romo some slack yesterday ...
as he was running for his life, and I sure couldn’t hit a #1 receiver who is “invisible” (Roy W.)
Gotta love it
The draft was full of great WR talent that came in and outperformed RW as rookies. Think about how much they gave up for him. The first rounder person I’d consider taking Roy over is DHB, but maybe on a real team things would be different.
Receptions/Yards/TDs:
Williams: 38/ 596 /7 (13 games)
Nicks: 47/ 790 /6 (14 games)
Harvin: 60/ 790 /6 (15 games)
Maclin: 55/ 762 /4 (13 games)
DHB: 9/ 124 /1 (8 games)
Crabtree: 48/ 625/ 2 (11 games)
Britt: 41/ 687/ 3 (13 games)
Roy Williams: 1st, 3rd, and 6th round pick $24M guaranteed through 2014, everyone else just a first round pick (Maclin also involved Philly’s 6th)
DB
Also...
Brandon Pettigrew.
30 catches 346yds and 2 TD’s. in 11 games
and they got a starting LB in the 3rd round in DeAndre Levy.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 7:16 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't want anyone over him
except Peyton Manning. Sure Drew Brees is great but what has he done? same for Aaron Rodgers. Tom Brady is a good QB made Great QB because of Bill Belichicks system. Look at Matt Cassel Average QB now but last year Good QB. I don’t think Big Ben is better than Eli, their basically neck and neck.
def. Peyton
but I wouldn’t mind getting Brees over Eli, although I wouldn’t want to..but theoretically, I think Brees can make it in NY,
as far as Big Ben…uhh nah – I was going to say maybe, but no, I’ld rather have Eli over him…
so all in all… yeh, just Peyton would be my choice too…
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Franchise Quarterback...
Having a guy as good as Eli running the show on offense sure has to make us feel good about the coming years and he does keep getting better each year as the stats breakdown above shows…anyone that’s still hating on Eli – just get over it…and if you want Dave Brown and Kent Graham back then good for you! Not that anyone has started any of that nonsense yet, but let’s not go there…
Actually really enjoying this series breaking down our team position by position and really does make you feel good about what we have on the offensive side of the ball going forward. A few tweaks to the O-Line and another decent RB and we really should be a top 5-10 offense…
Of course by going through the offense first I think this series is gently preparing us for the carnage of analysing our D! That’s when the real, er, fun begins and when there should be some interesting comments and lively debate on here!
Eli = Phil Simms 2.0
An anecdote I heard:
When Eli first came to the Giants, Archie took him aside and said, “Don’t try to be Peyton. Be yourself. But if you can’t be yourself, again, don’t try to be Peyton. Be Phil Simms.”
And that’s exactly what he’s been, if you think about it. Those of you old enough to remember Phil’s entire career will remember how, um…frustrating he could be at times. Just like Eli. And then, when you least expect it, he’d go All-World. Just like Eli. Is Eli better? He is. A lot better. (Although Phil was FINALLY turning into a beast in his last season. Such a shame we didn’t get to see him play more.) But that’s why I call him “Phil 2.0.” He’s the newer, shinier model.
I’m damn glad to have him as our QB. We best get a competent backup if we lose Carr, though. And it’s long past time to give Barden a shot. Nobody’s better between the 20’s than Eli. But we’ve got to get better at turning those drives into points. Plax was great for than, and I think/hope Ramses can be, too.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Just Like Phil Simms
He made the Easy look Hard….. But the Hard look Easy.
I rather have that then a guy who pads stats against bad teams, Philip Rivers! lol
EXACTLY!!
THE HARD, EASY: If a guy’s thirty yards downfield and Richard Seymour is hanging off his jersey…Not a problem.
THE EASY, HARD: If Kevin Boss is five yards in front of Eli, with no defenders around for miles, birds chirping, rainbows over the stadium…he doinks it off the turf.
Drives me nuts. Which means he has to be Phil 2.0
Who, besides Phil could overthrow his receivers five rows into the stands at Giants Stadium? And then turn around and hit his next 14 in a row? That man drove me nuts, too.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Great post
sums up Eli well, very similar to Simms except Eli had success a lot earlier simms did not have success until year 6.
by Landeta on Jan 18, 2010 1:05 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Draft/FA priority
I’m confused as to the system you have for ranking the Draft/FA Priority. does 5 mean the 5th most important position, or the 5th round.
5 is least important
1 is most important.
And in between are different levels of importance.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Or to look at it another way...
1 is DT, Safety, LB…5 is QB, WR
Dang, Jonah
You stole my thunder. But, yeah, you hit the nail on the head.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 12:33 PM EST up reply actions
that's how I have my mock draft written up
1. DT, LB, FS
2. FS, DT, LB
3. LB
4. RB, OT
5. OT, RB
6. C, RB
7. OG
although it can change on what actually gets selected and available at each pick
so I have it in a 2 priority scheme
ie., first pick I have DT as main priority unless all top ones we would want IMO are gone, then best available based on what’s next which in my case would be LB, then FS
and with the 2nd pick it would be FS first, etc.
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Taylor Mays
I think because our Defensive coordinator is more of a secondary type of guy, Taylor Mays would and should be out draft pick since we can’t have Eric Berry. The only thing i have to say about Perry Fewell is When he was on the Chicago Bears Nathan Vasher was a beast. Now without Perry Fewell Nathan can’t find is way off of the bench lol.
that's funny... about Vasher
but I thought of Taylor Mays a lot at first; however, it was mentioned on here too – I looked up what recruiters had to say on various sites and checked out highlights I could find on the guy… I think the Giants would be better off selecting more of a ball hawk Safety… I see Mays more in the SS model… and although his physical attributes are very tempting, I just don’t see him being a very good cover guy
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translation
meaning I want someone to contribute in the interceptions stats
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We need alot.
Im hoping we can sign Barrett Rude from Tampa Bay or Kirk Morrison from Oakland. Both great LB’s, But we need to get a Safety or the best defensive player we can get in the First Round. I hope we have someone new who makes a splash next season
Morrison would be nice...
but would that even be possible to get him?
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yea
these guys are unrestricted free agents. A lot of people are saying Barrett Rude will be franchised but i dont know about Kirk Morrison
only if theres a new CBA
ore else thier RFA both of em
he's a RFA...
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
Mays is the LAST S the Giants should be looking at.
in ANY round.
He sucks in coverage…
You know, CC Brown ran a 4.45 at the combine, for 6"0 215, that’s pretty fast.
Mays can run a 4.1, if he runs around like his head’s chopped off (like he does) he stinks.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Mays at #15 would not be good value
For someone who is more one dimensional. The Giants truly need guys that can cover, whether its M2M or zone. Fewell may excel in the secondary department, but if you don’t have the athletes, how can you get what you want out of them?!
hmmm....
the way my mock is turning out…
1) Earl Thomas S -UT
2) Carlos Dunlap-DE/DT, Jahvid Best-RB/PR, Navorro Bowman-LB (traded up to pick 34)
3) Daryl Washinton LB TCU
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 12:48 PM EST up reply actions
Here's mine
1. Brian Price (We need someone to take over the reins from Freddy)
2. Chad Jones (safety)
3. Daryl Washington (LB to compete with Sintim and Goff at SLB and MLB)
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 18, 2010 1:29 PM EST up reply actions
We're on the same page with Washington
I’d love Price, but I think he’s gonna go higher, possibly top 10. Seems a whole lot like Senderick Ellis from USC a couple years ago.
Chad Jones…meh, big..probably better all around then Mays, but not exactly the ball hawk.
I wouldn’t hate it tho..I’d probably like it in the end, especially if the others are long gone.
One thing to look at, Jairus Byrd was a CB in college, but Fewell and the Bills turned him into a safety.
Kareem Jackson is an excellent CB from Bama, all around S extremely comparable to Terrel Thomas and much like Byrd too in college
Maybe they go and try the same thing?
I’d rather go with a ballhawk safety.
I think KP and Mike Johnson (yea…him) under Fewell will be fine as the more run focused S.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 1:40 PM EST up reply actions
some good potential 2nd round ballhawk type safeties
I have listed as Reshad Jones (Georgia) altho listed as SS, he does have some good coverage abilities, I really like Darrell Stuckey (Kansas) – chased down a really speedy RB and prevented him from scoring a TD and has great coverage skills, Myron Lewis and Major Right are my other 2 Safeties I would consider in the 2-3rd rounds
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Price in the top 10
I’m looking at the draft order and most teams that draft infront of us have bigger needs.
I think unless he has an amazing combine I really doubt he wouldn’t be there for us
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 19, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
That'd be a pretty good draft.
I still want more beef in the middle of the DL, though.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
This is a pipe dream
And ideal in every way for us
by wangstu13 on Jan 18, 2010 8:44 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I hate it when
people try to see ‘take position A in round 1, position B in round 2, etc. It just doesn’t work that way. Identify the needs and take the best player who fills one of them. In the end, as long as the priority is defense it’s all good.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 1:09 PM EST up reply actions
yep
I thought the same way, but fell into somewhat of that trap when I was actually looking at it myself; hence, I tried to set up a multi-priority type system where it takes into consideration needs and best available..but I only ended up with what I got… I do have to admit it is a lot of work and kudos to all the GM, their scouts and staffs, because although we like to play GM sometimes, we barely scratch the surface… even with some thorough research… but then these teams all do have staff
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Sure, I can see that
All in all, you are probably thinking the same way I am. One way or another, the draft has to place a heavy priority on defense.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions
Thats whats hard for the Giants right now @ #15
We can all moreless agree on the needs (speaking in terms of the 1st round) which we identified as DT, LB or S. But a few teams ahead of them have multiple ways of influencing who may fall, or not fall to the Giants. We also cannot control who may leap-frog over us too, to perhaps get someone we may want.
unless anybody has some inside info
on any suspected rumors of potential draft trades of teams who want to move up or down…needs of teams can be somewhat guessed at…but like I said these teams have full staffs working on this stuff.
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Right, Hoot
Thing is, I think in the end if the Giants land an impact defensive player at 15 no one will complain what position he plays.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't complain at all for D
But for the purpose of debate and mocks, and with certain players being mentioned, like McClain, Berry, Thomas, Price or even Morgan Burnett (I think he’s another potential good looking S that i heard amongst) it’s the positional dropoff from those guys that i don’t know?
As for the sake of the draft, Berry’s long gone, McClain probably won’t fall (though is it worth trading up for with other concerns?) I’m not much of a proponenet for this, and then rounding it out with the rest of the guys mentioned, and how their status turns out?
So, i guess the question remains, is there really an instant, definitive player on D that would be an impact, for the Giants? Some know more than me, so i am guilty of gravitating back to Spiller. Though this isn’t about him, but moreless the flow of how the draft may turn out!
How about best of both worlds?
While I’ve seen Spiller as a 1st rounder…Jahvid Best has been mind numbingly left out.
Below I named a scenario…but its quite likely they could trade down in the first and pick up Morgan Burnett at the later 1st rounder.
Hopefully they acquire a 2nd rounder in that deal.
Then take the original 2nd rounder and trade up in the 2nd round with a 4th, to ensure Jahvid Best.
Morgan Burnett AND Jahvid Best?
get our safety.
get the playmaker at RB/PR…
And leave an extra 2nd rounder to go head and get a DT or LB….
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
Trading down in the first for a second
I think to pull that off, the other team may have to come up quite a bit, maybe mid-20’s at the least? Probably a team that is not so needy, and covets someone which projects in their immediate plans. Heck, if it did happen, i’m all for it. The more day one picks (so to speak) the better chances at overall talent to add.
Personally, i might just sit on the later first rounder and the two 2’s, without trading up. Three picks in the top 60, while keeping the fourth too!
There's always a player who will fall.
I mean, the Giants can go in so many directions..it may be wise for them to take that falling player.
But we’ll see.
There just always seems to be teams active and trading up and down.
I know the Patriots have basically the entired 2nd round under their control.
Maybe they wanna trade up?
Maybe the Giants can trade back TWICE! The Browns did it…
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 3:47 PM EST up reply actions
Not sure where to park this comment but...
With my limited knowledge and the drop off for DT, LB and S, if we cannot get the one that is there or falls, thats why i go back to Spiller. Seems less riskier than someone else.
One thing thats seems sure though, is the amount of Jr.’s declaring that may make this draft deeeeep?!
Morgan Burnett
he is another one on my radar, but I thought last I heard he didn’t declare for the draft – he’s a junior & still has 1 more year of eligibility and I heard he was prob going to stay, but if he does declare he gets a bump up, b/c I have him as a higher prospect on my S board & will be in my 2nd round thoughts…
I like Spiller a lot, but I just don’t really see him staying on board for us to take him also…I mean Seattle might get him and com’n Al Davis prob likes him too..you never know with that guy… but if he does come to #15 – we’d have to really consider only if no D help is viable at the position – like what most everyone else on here is suggesting
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nope.
Burnett declared along with Derrick Morgan, Demaryious Thomas and Jonathon Dwyer.
Actually, Dwyer’s probably the most complete RB in the draft, his main concern is coming from an option offense.
Tashard Choice on the Cowpokes is pretty good tho…so I don’t think its huge concern.
The more and more I look at the draft…the more I think passing on Spiller’s a good idea.
A player like Jahvid Best may fall in round 2. Even Dwyer would be a nice pick..seems a whole lot like a 3x faster Derrick Ward
Also…Joe McKnight, while a fumbler…could be a steal in the 5th round or so. Coughlin has a way with curing fumbleitis too..so maybe McKnight could start out as a early-Tiki type?
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
also decided to look it up while we were on the subject…that puts him on my board at round 2 although I still liked what I saw from Stuckey…I think Burnett looks good at tackling, but haven’t really seen his coverage skills…altho his 93 yard return was impressive in his Sophmore campaign (I think)…
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Can Dwyer catch the ball though?
He looks like a Jonathan Stewart clone to me more than Ward
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 19, 2010 12:44 AM EST up reply actions
Absolutely, at least within limits, Ed
E.g., should a sitaution arise where the choice comes to an LB, a S, or a DT, who grade out more or less equal in terms of “best,” I would select the S, you would go with the DT. As you say, “… as long as the priority is defense…,” etc.
I hate
the Mock Drafts. They’re useless. They change every day.
I agree with you, Frank
But, a lot of guys live for this stuff. I find myself having to study them now because of what I do here. I never used to pay any attention to them at all.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 20, 2010 1:00 PM EST up reply actions
this is what I currently have...
1. Brian Price (DT), or Dan Williams (DT) or Rolando McClain (LB)
2. Reshad Jones (S), or Darrell Stuckey (S) or Jared Odrick (DT) or Joe Pawelek (LB) <- i know pawelek is no speedster, but there’s just something about the way he plays
3. Josh Bynes (LB), Micah Johnson (LB) or if really necessary (S) Myron Lewis or Major Wright
4. Toby Gerhart (RB), or Kevin Haslam (OT)
5. Drew Davis (OT) or Keiland Williams (RB) or Keith Toston (RB)
6. Eric Olsen © or J.D. Walton © or Matt Tenant © or Brandon James (RB)
7. Kenny Alfred (OG/C) or if didn’t pick up a RB in this order if still around Brandon James, or Stafon Johnson…
It’ll change before the draft that’s for sure :) and of course during the course of the draft…
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I like what you have
I like Toby Gerhart a lot but i doubt we get him. Someone will mess around and take him in the third or maybe even the 2nd, After all Tim Tebow is projected to be drafted in the 1st round.
from what I saw with Tebow
he could go anywhere in the mid-1st to somewhere in the 2nd round…but like what Ed says, it really depends on the Teams needs and what they see on the board to see where the person lands on their Best Available charts…although unless you are Al Davis and maybe a couple other owners/GMs out there…they will more than likely screw with that logic… :)
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I really don't see Tebow going in the first round as a QB
He’s really not that great of a passer, his windup takes about 10 seconds and three windmills before the ball is thrown. Unless someone has an idea of the perfect hybrid position for him to fill they will be making a huuuuge mistake drafting him in the first 4 rounds. He put up huge numbers in college because Urban Meyer tailored the whole offense to his specific skillset. He won’t have 7 seconds to pass the ball while his world class sprinter receivers run past crappy Vanderbilt cornerbacks and safeties.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 18, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions
Plus that whole "running over linebackers" thing he did in college
won’t play well in the pro’s either. Your average NCAA linebacker is probably about 225 lbs. in the pro’s they’re like 250-260 and run 4.4 40’s. Tebow is a big dude but not even he will be able to stand up to the punishment.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 18, 2010 1:44 PM EST up reply actions
i agree his windup is pretty long
ala Andre Woodson… whoever picks him up, would want a strong runner and leader as their QB and maybe use him a project to get him to be their #1 QB someday
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Satchel Paige got rid of the ball quicker than Tebow does
haha
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 18, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, and..
I would take Tim Tebow over David Carr or Satchel Paige as a backup QB any day….
All the talk is for naught, he will be drafted much higher than he should be because of the “winner” factor, but its unlikely he will have much impact in the NFL.
I would still take him over Carr right now.
San Francisco
…is the only place where Tebow could make it as a QB. And, you guys are right, he shouldn’t be in the first round. It just scares the crap out of me that Jacksonville is going to do something idiotic and take him in the first.
I also agree the windup could be trouble – I’m thinking Kerry Collins here – but his arm strength and accuracy are a little underrated.
While he may not be able to run over NFL linebackers, a lot of time he’ll be seeing DBs. Them, he could pancake.
The Niners (sometimes) run the spread he’s used to. He’d sit behind a kid who came out of a Meyer-coached program, so he’d pick stuff up quicker. His character and mentality are perfect for Mike Singletary. Add an OL (or two,) and all of a sudden you have him and Gore out of the backfield, with Vernon Davis and Crabtree running routes. It’s not all-world, but it could win the NFC West.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Well
8x out of 10 its always the players would don’t know about or don’t believe in that become stellar QB’s if i was Jacksonville i would take a chance with him.
I know right..
even if it’s just to get ticket sales up…they’ll probably sell out all their home games in a matter of a couple of days..plus their QBs stink
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if we did pick up gerhart
I would run him along side AB in a 2 back set or I formation… I don’t know if he ran any of the I formation back at Stanford, but I would try him our a couple of times as a FB…I think he can get away with it…
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I'm with you in terms of the positions, FB, with
S first, but I know virtually nothing about the actual players who will be in the draft
Eli's Captain's badge should have all the stars filled in next year.
I think that means every time he completes 10 passes in a row he goes into turbo mode.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Solid Players or Play Makers?
For a number of years even when we won the Superbowl on defense all we had was solid players with good discipline. 2010 will mark the transition from a solid team to a play-making team, starting with Kenny Phillips(that is if he comes back healthy). For a long time QB’s never thought twice when throwing the ball into our secondary we need some players to make them think twice and make some highlights on ESPN!(even though they hate the Giants)
Eli the up and coming Iron Man of the NFL
Eli is IMO the best QB in the game right now for several reasons that do not show up in the weekly stats sheets
New York is the toughest sports media town in the world. Period
He can handle the media…with class.He is very humble when they win and never points the finger at his team or coaches when they lose in fact he usually tries to shoulder the blame himself.
He has always led by example,playing with injuries year after year,taking time in the offseason to help develop the young WR’S
He has never missed a game since replacing Kurt Warner in 2004.To say he had a rough time those early years is putting it mildly, not to mention his constant comparison to Peyton
No he might not be what Acorsi thought he would but thats ok with me. If he is this good after 5 years we have alot of good seasons coming our way
OK I m done gushing about Eli
as far as his backup next year I would like to see a veteran come in, someone who might have plans of being a coach after they retire my feeling is Eli has no ego and he can always learn from another players point of view. He is a true student of the game and that 2nd or 3rd QB position should go to someone that can help Eli learn more
As for who that guy will be I am not sure but you guys might have ideas
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Very True..
Whats maybe more accurate is that he is the best qb for NY……… In this market where the media runs the circus.
Although at the draft I wanted us to sit and take Roethlisberger, I was still happy with the Eli pick. Even now, I would not take Big Ben over Eli – and the main reason is that Eli keeps quiet, to himself and does not make himself a target in the media. Take the Big Ben rape allegations, the motorcycle crap, and let the NY media handle it and there wouldn’t be enough ringleaders to control the circus with all that. Rivers the same, put his personality here and it would be a struggle I believe.
People bitched when Eli got the huge contract comparing him to the other “greats” of the game in terms of ability/performance etc….. but that was never the point. He deserved that contract because his success in the largest, toughest market of them all and bringing stability to that position for the long term. Go Eli, you da man.
This has no bearing on real life
But in my Madden 10 Franchise mode, I finished the regular season and went into off season mode. (I’ll leave it at the season ended much happier then the real season did).
The game doesn’t let you advance unless you have two Qbs. Thinking I wouldn’t need another QB besides Eli, i just looked to get any cheap guy, so I picked up Michael Vick for some irony. I will tell you, he looks awful in a Giants jersey.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
LMAO
I miss the old Giants jersey from the early 2000’s. Its a Shame the Giants never do a throw back day.
I don't really
I like the newer ones a lot more, but I occasionally use the throwbacks in Madden.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Did we wear the red ones at all this year?
I don’t think so, but I can’t remember.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 18, 2010 1:59 PM EST up reply actions
We got rid of them
Thank goodness.
Big Red doesn’t sound right compared to Big Blue.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
in the Madden where Eli was a rookie
so, we had Warner & Eli on the roster, I used to be able to trade Eli + 1st round pick to the Falcons for Vick and then Warner to someone like the Raiders for a #1 pick, so basically I was upgrading my first round pick and getting Vick (and I believe this was the year after Vick went to the NFC Championship game, so he was awesome in Madden). I did it b/c I played in a league with my roommates, and they had McNabb & Jeff Garcia as their QB’s, both of whom were great scramblers – I couldn’t stand not being able to scramble. It was awesome.
2009 Did Not Happen
only if we were able to trade away Warner in real life...
then we would have some picks from it…lol
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
would have had some picks from it...
not picks for this draft of course :-)
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WHY HAS NO ONE TALKED ABOUT KARLOS DANSBY
HE IS A STUD INSIDE LINEBACKER AND I HAVENT SEEN HIS NAME ONCE AS A POSSIBLE ACQUISITION
No thanks on Demeco
Hey, I live in Houston and see him all the time. We don’t want a 225lb ILB.
He’s a good player, but not our style. He’s only got a short window left when he loses that first step and the guards run him over….
He's 26 and he's a tackling demon. That first step and that speed to the POA
is exactly what the Giants need.
I guess all the talk about ...
what non-QB/WR we are taking in the first 3 rounds says volumes about how set we feel with Eli and his targets.
I think we mostly agree on the 3 biggest areas of need, too, although I’d rank it LB/S/DT, as we have some talent at DT (hopefully it was injuries and underachievement in 2009), hopefully KP is not done, and we just have almost nothing at LB other than some potential from Sintim, and there are 3 LB positions to fill.
the problem with LB,
is there is only one LB that is worthy of the 15th pick, and that’s Rolando McClain.
He’s not gonna be there, so LB might as well be crossed off. 2nd or 3rd round would be nice, I think Darryl Washington is a good pick, maybe even for round 2.
Ideal draft scenario?
Trade down from #15 and pick up a 2nd rounder.
Hopefully…One of Brian Price, Earl Thomas or Morgan Burnett, fall.
Ideally….
1) Morgan Burnett
2)Jahvid Best
2) Arthur Jones or Jared Odrick-both Cofield/ Corn Griffin type DT’s.
3) Darryl Washington.
Even if they trade down….I think they could get Burnett.
Best may be a pipe dream, but if he falls to round 2, pick 15, that would be an incredible pick.
If they do have 2 2nd rounders…trade up with the 2) #15 and a 4th, to make sure they get Best.
…for those who have Q’s about Jahvid Best……at Cal, him and Desean Jackson were fairly equal as far as speed.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Like the Stones said ...
“You can’t always get what you want … but if you try sometimes, you get what you need”.
All things being equal, I’d prefer a LB first. But I’m sure JR will not over-reach, so a trade down (in a deep draft) is a real possibility, and makes a lot of sense. I just hope we get two of the 3 (LB/S/DT) in the first three picks, that are good value, and if we do pick at # 15, I hope JR is convinced it will be a real impact player, and not two years from now.
I'm feeling a little "Shattered"
Let’s hope JR “Starts them up”
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I believe they only have 1 pick for each round
unless they trade up or down or every which way to another team
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You know who would be one of the top backup QBs in the NFL?
Tony Romo. And he has real game experience.
Or, if you wanted a crusty old vet, perhaps we could sign Donny McPuke to hold the clipboard!
You play to win the game!
#5 could pick up the phone and talk to no one all he wants!
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 18, 2010 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
as long as the cowboys
don’t realize that jon kitna is a much better QB than romo, i’ll never worry about playing them.
imagine what the boys could do with elite receivers and an experienced, ball control QB like kitna?
Kitna better than Romo?
I’m going to say no
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
just wondering...
when do the giants play the AFC south next i want to see a eli peyton game.
and also eli has been getting better every year cant wait to see what he can do next year.
by donnybaseball23 on Jan 18, 2010 4:46 PM EST reply actions
I have to hand it to Ed...
I am amazed at the number of comments he generates talking about the easy stuff !! lol..I am going to start playing a damn drum-roll here !!..I feel like that redneck in the Grey Poop-poo-on (whatever that crap is) commercial..Ed, could you please pass the mustard?..On a serious note I hope we get something for Carr..He owes us that much.
See, Bobbi
All I have to do is point you guys in the right direction, then just sit back annd watch the fireworks! LOL!!
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Carr doesnt owe us nothing. He is an underated Qb,. He played for a crap team (Texons). He should be givin a starting position wherever he goes. I hope we dont keep him for that reason. Spags pick him up get rid of Bulger hes garbage. " GIVE CARR RESPECT "
George..BlueGonz..you gotta help me!!..These kids are killing me with draft-picks..
They have it all figured out..Do you Golf?..Let’s get a tee-time and some beer..
Tee time? Beer?
And you guys didn’t invite me? For shame. Forget football withdrawl. It’s the middle of January here in the Northeast and I am having serious golf withdrawal.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 18, 2010 10:35 PM EST up reply actions
Haha!!..well if we can wake George up you guys are certainly welcome here..Ed
I’ll fly you in and we can play some Golf..We’ll be looking for our golf-balls while these kids will look for our draft-picks..
I'll drive the cart
and drink the beer and watch you guys chase that ball around.
Wait a minute there buddy..I don't know about Ed but given we just woke you up...
I’ll be counting those damn beers bro..lol l!!..I can teach you how to Golf…You crack a beer open one up and then grip it and rip it..slam down the rest of the beer ..then we’ll go look for our golfballs..but I am not entrusting you with a cart-load of cold beer while Ed and I die of thirst..I can just see it ..You laughing with a cold damn beer driving the damn cart all over the joint..
first and foremost Eli is the best Qb in Giants history including Phils Simms. He would have been Mvp of the league if his receivers could catch. He receivers are young ill give him that. But put Marvin Harrison on his team and not Peytons we would be saying these things about Eli. Eli has never had as good receiver as Harrison yes including Buress .
Eli is a top 10 QB, and has made improvements each year. But, he’s got to take a big chunk of the blame for the offense dissapearing in 5 of the losses this year. We only scored 6 against Denver, 9 against Carolina, and 9 against Minnesota. And we only scored 17 in Phili and 17 against Arizona. I think it would be easier to praise Eli’s season if we had lost those 5 games 45-38 like we did in the 2nd Phili game. The truth is that Eli shuts down at times and just plays out the game.
Minnesota
I think Gilbride knew the defense was going to give up so only did short high completion plays to keep the clock running. There was a 3rd and long, and it was just a short in to Steve Smith that had no chance of getting a first down.
Arizona I would blame on Eli’s foot. Denver was crap, and could be explained by needing to be used to the air.
Carolina… Everything fell apart.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I've said it before and I'll
say it again: IMO, compare the YA who played for the Giants (not his whole career) vs any other Giants QB and YA is the best by far. That’s why he’s in the HOF.
PS
In terms of overall career, tark was the best; in terms of QBs who spent their whole career with the Jints, Phil was the best.
I agree with both your points Blue..
YA was an awesome, tough QB..and so was Simms and Tarkington..I think Eli has a good chance of surpassing them, but he is also equipped with a group of receivers that have all the earmarks of becoming great stars..YA was by far the best and Tarkington was the best run for your life QB in the game..Remember that time he got pissed and whizzed a ball to the back of a pass rushers head?..I forget what game that was and who he did it to but that was funnier than hell…Simms never had anybody who could catch until McConky and Co. came along..Alot of his years were wasted but he had a rifle for an arm.
Most BBVers
never saw YA or Tark. YA tore up the league as a Giant, set records for TDs, yardage, etc when the most games that could possibly be played were 16(14 regular season).
In the few years he was here, he won two (3?) league MVP awards.
Charlie Conerly
How about Charlie Conerly? He was the QB when the Giants won the title in 1956 and when they lost to the Colts in 1958 and 1959. League MVP in 1959.
Also appeared in advertisements as the Marlboro Man.
Mickey C
YA
It kills me that I can’t find any videos with Tittle. I can find stuff with tarkenton, but nothing with Tittle.
38 Tds in a 14 game season is impressive, but I think when all is said and done, Eli will be on top. He already has more championships than Tittle (as heartbreaking as those YA losses were).
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
There is a history of the Giants DVD set you can buy that chronicles the team..When I
get up off my lazy ass and go upstairs to the game/movie room I’ll get the name of it for you..It is a really good set. Hopefully the 10 year old didn’t eat the damn thing on me..This kid knows more about football than I do..When I talk to him anymore I my eyes bulge out…He reminds me of a younger FreeBradshaw…
I have the DVD
never got around to watching it.
Maybe after midterms…
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
2004 draft
Given what we know now, in 2010, what do you think would have been best for the Giants to have done in the first round of the 2004 draft? They had these three choices:
- draft Rivers and trade him, along with a bunch of draft choices, to San Diego for Manning?
- draft Rivers and keep him, along with the draft choices?
- draft Roethlisberger?
This is really playing at being a Monday morning quarterback, but in this case the three choices are all winning ones, differing only by degree. These three 2004 quarterbacks make up an exceptional class, and the maybe the biggest difference is that Rivers doesn’t yet have a Super Bowl ring, though I thought he might get it this year.
I am not sure how each would fit with teams other than the ones that they have actually played with, since those teams have grown / been shaped around each of them.
I think a case could be made for the Giants having kept Rivers since the draft choices they gave up certainly resulted in additional good players, as San Diego used them.
there is no case....
Eli’s done what he’s done playing in NY. Its the toughest place to play in all of football, whether its the media, the fickle fans…or of course the lovely weather, which Rivers doesn’t have for all those homes games and the Raider game too (Denver is a fast field too).
Big Ben…maybe. The Steelers defense has been consistently better then the Giants since they both came in the league.
…I take Eli. Every time.
It gets late real early out here....
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 20, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
Manning
is a great quarterback. He does the little things (and most of the big things) quite well. It it is not broken, don’t fix it. Keep Carr if we can. He is a good backup and provides reasonable insurance just in case. Develop Romar. Instead od drafting yet another rookie QB, let’s draft a stellar DT, a new version of Sam Huff, two safeties and a couple of OL for depth and development. The biggest needs are:
1. DT
2. MLB
3. Safety, in that order.
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