Feeling good about Fewell
by Ed Valentine on Jan 15, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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PrintI know by now you guys might be all 'Fewell-ed' out. I hope, though, that you are up for just a little more discussion about new Giants defensive coordinator Perry Fewell, who now has the job of re-constructing the once-mighty New York defense.
Let me say up front, I like this hire. Based on our current poll results, most of you (about 80 percent) seem to agree.
I am not going to say I know for a fact that Fewell is the right guy to return the Giants defense to dominance. I don't know that for sure. No one does. Not even Tom Coughlin.
First and foremost, I like this hire because this is the guy Coughlin wanted. Desperately, it seems. Fewell, as we know, was the only candidate Coughlin interviewed.
We know the guy had options, like Chicago or waiting to see if Buffalo would offer him the head-coaching job. So, we know that Coughlin and the Giants organization had the juice to target a guy they wanted and go out and make that happen.
Remember that before hiring Bill Sheridan last off-season the Giants flirted with Dom Capers, who ended up in Green Bay. So, you could make the argument that the Giants ended up 'settling' for a coordinator in 2009. That is not the case for 2010.
The other reason I like this hire is the way anyone familiar with Fewell reacts when asked about the guy. Players want to play for the guy, and he can teach.
Brian Galliford of SBN's Bills blog, Buffalo Rumblings, summed up the reaction to Fewell this way:
"One thing is certain. Your guys will love playing for him."
Former Giants linebacker Kawika Mitchell, who played for two seasons in Buffalo under Fewell, tweeted this about Fewell Thursday night.
"On the rise. Creative. Listens to his players. Great experience, especially when you add in his time as interim head coach. I have a lot of respect for Perry Fewell."
Here is one more assessment worth noting, from Paul Schwartz of the New York Post.
"The reputation Fewell brings to the Giants is that he develops a close emotional relationship with his players -- something one-and-done coordinator Bill Sheridan failed to do this season. Fewell is considered to be a straight shooter unafraid to call a player out and has a natural enthusiasm that helps him motivate those around him."
Some of you have expressed concerns about the mediocre rankings of the Bills defenses during Fewell's tenure, and about his preference for a defense that uses the Tampa 2 as its base.
Personally, I would urge you not to get hung up on those things. Remember that the Bills have been a terrible team during Fewell's time there, mostly devoid of talent. The most games they won during Fewell's four seasons was seven, and they never sniffed the playoffs. So, Fewell was not working with a whole lot on defense. And the Bills never had much of an offense to take the heat off Fewell's defenses. That is not the case with the Giants.
As for the Tampa 2, in my chat with Galliford he made it clear that Fewell is a zone coverage coordinator though not married to strict use of the Tampa 2.
Getting used to that will be adjustment for the players -- and for the fans. We have grown accustomed to lots of press-coverage and man-to-man based schemes. After the disastrous play of the 2009 defense, though, I don't think players -- or fans -- have any right to complain about changing the coverage style. Right now, it's broken. Let's see if Fewell can fix it.
Finally, if you are concerned about Fewell's ability to adjust or dial up something aggressive when it is needed, perhaps this article from the Chicago Tribune will make you feel better. It was written when it looked Fewell was headed to the Bears.
Will this work out for the Giants? We won't know for sure until the season plays itself out. Today, though, I think it is a hire Giants fans should feel pretty good about.
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It's great to hear
that his players loved playing for him. He seems to have a fiery and passionate approach to coaching. It’s also good that he’s a straight shooter, which Sheridan tried to be, but it didn’t work because the players obviously didn’t believe in his scheme. If Fewell can get these guys to play for him the way they played for Spags, they will be heading in the right direction.
Awaiting the draft :/
I didn't mind the signing before...
And I like it better after checking out the links you provided. It appears he has some imagination and personality, and pays attention to detail. He’s no Bill Sheridan, but hey, we’ve seen BS and that’s another point in his favor! If he can fuel (pun intended) some inthusiasm into the Giants defenders, interested effort will overcome many of the problems we saw this year.
It needed to happen
I like the hiring. Anything was going to be a roll of the dice and well this seemed like the best outcome we could have expected.
Lets not get hung up on the style of defense
Tampa 2 or whatever else. Its the Coach’s job to make sure that his players understand and believe in his system. TC and JR (and now Ed, :)) believe in Fewell and that’s enough for me. The players have no other choice after last years disaster to go out and bust their butts for PF, otherwise they will be called out as the problem. It might take a few games next year to get things going with this D, but I think we’ll be a good unit next year.
LarryHarryCarlPepper
Love the "creative" comment from Kawika ...
which is key for a DC to both game plan and adjust, and we definitely need a motivator.
I am very uneasy about us going too much zone, as it rarely accompanies an aggressive front 7. Aggressiveness is the #1 key to success in sports, especially the NFL. We shall see.
I've been reading up on this guy...
ever since I started seeing his name pop up on here…altho I wanted Pepper, I am really happy the Giants made this hire after reading a lot of good things about this guy – I like everything I hear about him. Bonzai blitzes 3 out 4 times in the redzone,guy has some balls too… I like it!…now, lets get to the draft and get this guy some more weapons to play with and bring that new Big Blue Wrecking Crew!
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Although I prefer an agressive style of defense (like Spags runs) any style of defense will work with the right personnel. I think we can all agree that personnel upgrades/changes would need to be made regardless of what syle of defense we are going to play (Tampa 2, 3-4, etc). I do like the fact that teams he has coached have alot of take aways. More opportunities for the offense. Overall I like the hire.
he described his defensive approach as...
Disciplined, attacking, aggressive, & eleven guys to the football…or something like that
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
the booth or sideline
I wonder will TC make him coach from the sideline ? Or allow him to do it his way…I like the hire…
i dunno maybe I just like the colors
by Mr.Williams on Jan 15, 2010 11:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
my thoughts are...
I know it was commented on a lot in one of the other postings, forget which one… but it was noted that “Fuel” (as I saw someone else mention him this way, sounds fitting) did a lot (if not all) of his game calling as a DC in the booth…and then got on the field when he became an interim HC (I could be wrong about when he exactly switched over to the sidelines).
My obsevation with BS is that I think TC knew he was introverted; hence TC prob thought it would be best for him to connect with his players down on the field to get more realtime reactions from his players…therefore, he wanted BS on the field as oppose to being in the booth..(my guess)
with FUEL, I think he looks comfortable being in the booth and on the field…he looks like he connects with his players regardless so I don’t think it would be a problem in his case. It may end up being what TC prefers, but given that he has a long history with FUEL & TC knows him & trusts that he does connect with his players then, maybe TC tells him whatever makes him more comfortable and lets FUEL do what he wants…
my hopes is that if he is better at making decisions from the booth AND he builds a strong repoire with the D general (whether it be AP or someone else)…then maybe he gets the best of both worlds (getting a strong indicator of what the guys are seeing on the field and making clear decisions and seeing everything from the booth)
in any case, just knowing that he’s a people person and knows how to interact with his players shows that he will do a more competent job than what BS could not do (communicating and connecting with his players)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
TC should let him call the plays from whereever he wants
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 17, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
A motivator and teacher...
seems to be everything you hear about this guy and that can be no bad thing with a lot of the young guys we’ve got out there. And as a former DB coach (and from all accounts a very good one) that gives us a strength in coaching in what has been a real weakness on that D so hopefully he can take some of that talent and really start to harness it.
Think he was definitely the best candidate for the job – I know lots of people were clamouring for Pepper J to come back (and I was kind of in that camp last week) because of the fire he coud bring to this team, but it sounds like this guy can bring that as well. Sounds like a proper ’player’s coach’ not someone that’s completely self-involved and in love with his own schemes and ego like BS seemed to be – he just seemed to play the game on paper but never related to his players. Don’t matter how ‘cerebral’ he was that approach just wasn’t going to work…
And hey with PF’s experience as the HC in Buf this year who knows in 2-years if Coughlin wants to walk away maybe we have our new HC?? The next year or two could certainly be a fine audition for the man if he fancies taking over our G-Men when TC packs it in…
That what we need...
we need a guy on defense who can get our Defense fired up, i hope there will be more blitz centered plays and that he can bring out the leaders on our D
Corey Webster
I like the hire. I think he was the best candidate out there with experience as a 4-3 defensive coordinator. He got alot out of little talent in Buffalo.
My only concern is that Corey Webster played his best football when asked to play tight man to man under Spags.
However, if Fewell can bring in a system that work for the entire defense, Big Blue cannot help but play better next year.
shouldn't be a concern...
Read that article where the Chicago paper was praising him.
The Dungy/ Kiffen type Tampa 2 is not what he does.
He does his own thing.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yes, I was wondering that too
Webster is known as a man to man guy, but Fewell plays mostly (but not totally) zone. On Fewell’s side though is the fact that everyone praises his teaching ability, ESPECIALLY in the secondary (where he was a secondary coach). We’ll just have to trust that he can work his magic with CWeb. It’ll definitely be interesting how it plays out.
Well its time for a change!
Corey Webster didn’t do good last year. So if he is known as a man to man guy than we need a new corner back, because he is probably the worst first string man to man corner.
But anyway i think we could finally have that play making defense that we needed for so long. If we draft Tyler Mays and Kenny Phillips comeback healthy we could be looking at a Ed Reed Troy Polamalu tandem, just based on what he did with that rookie. And do you remember Nathan Vasher, his first two years with him, vasher had 5 and 8 interceptions. Now he can’t get his self off of the bench
this is a very good comment...
and something that i will be very interested in seeing come 2010.
IMO webster has proved that he is not a Zone Corner. he’s a man corner and needs to get his hands on the WR to be successful.
Not a doubt in my mind that he can regain his 2008 form…but we have to be consistent …i don’t want to see man, than zone, than man, than zone.
I think we have solid corners…let’s let them get in a rhythm.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I think they hired the right guy
When everyone posted the possible coaches for the Giants DC job, Fewell kept jumping out at me as a coach on the rise. As others have noted, all the right accolades are used to describe him by players and fellow coaches. He connects with the players, he’s a teacher, he’s creative, he’s aggressive, and he has good experience at all levels. I also love the fact that he is a former defensive backs coach. We really need to sort out our pass protection after watching us get torched for big plays all year.
I’m not concerned that the Buffalo D wasn’t more dominant than it showed the past few years. They were very good. It’s hard to be a dominant D when your offense stinks and leaves you out on the field too long. I’m not sure he had the best talent either. I think he’s the right guy for us right now. And it sounds like TC had a strong commitment that he was the right guy as well.
As to whether he could succeed TC, if the Giants don’t have a good year next year, I’d love to see Cowher take the reins, assuming he really is interested in the job as Bettis claims. Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that and the Giants right the ship next year.
Let's not see Cowher.
We should all Pray that we have a great year next year, because if he doesn’t We will be moving to a 3-4 and Eli Manning is getting up their in age, this is the time when a QB needs to see less moves in the Coaching Staff. And if he has 1 bad year in his thirties Bill Cowher might try and make a move for a new Quarter Back.
Eli's not even 30 yet....
Getting up there in age?
He’s in better shape then his brother and he’s not slowing down either and he’s 4 years older…
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 9:28 PM EST up reply actions
He will be 30 next year.
the point that im trying to make is Eli doesn’t have a relationship with Bill, Tom Coughlin can handle a bad year from Eli but if Cowher comes in(an already established coach) and Eli have 1 bad year there will be talks of a trade or “we need a new QB”, 2 bad years Cowher will try and acquire a new QB via trade or draft. The Great Qb’s are on teams where their head coach, system or Coaching Staff remains the same.(Peyton Manning & Tom Brady)
If any single Giants fan had any pride...
and Cowher was here..and he tried to get rid of Eli after one bad year…they’d go and try and take Cowher’s knees out…
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 10:29 PM EST up reply actions
and he'll be 30 during the last week of the season....
There were many coaching changes during Farve’s era in GB..and it wasn’t until he was damn near 40 that he was kicked out.
Think about Eli; him, his brother and Farve are the only ones with this ironman QB streaks.
The only 3.
Eli will retire with the Giants.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 10:34 PM EST up reply actions
Well, Eli was one of the reasons
that Bettis stated for Cowher having interest in the Giant job. So if we are to put any stock in the Bettis statements, then it seems Cowher is an Eli fan.
Think about it. If they did have an awful year next year, would you still keep the head coach just because you wanted continuity for the QB? That wouldn’t make much sense, would it?
Wasn't talking about Cowher...
the statement was that Eli’s getting old, and if Cowher came in after the Giants had a bad season, there would be talk of trading Eli Manning.
Of course if the Giants stink next year, Coughlin’s probably getting the ax.
But if someone like Cowher comes in, its just flat out wrong that Eli’s getting traded, least of any reason cuz he’s “old”.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 16, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
and I agree...
that Eli’s probably the reason he wants the job.
John Gruden’s said the same thing, that he’d love to coach ‘a Manning.’
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 16, 2010 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I was responding to the original response speculating that Cowher might not have sufficient patience with Eli if he was brought in after next year. If he’s an Eli fan then he’s likely to value Eli as much as any other coach that was brought in.
Tampa 2
A few things to consider:
Just because Fewell considers the T2 to be his base D, it doesn’t meant eh Giants are putting the same exact defensive look on the field every play. There’s still goal-line, and dime, and various blitzes, and a ton of looks. it doesn’t marginalize a Sintim, or mean we will be a soft run D. Secondly, even within the T2 base there are a lot of looks and variations. Like the game itself, the scheme evolves. Frankly, given our weaknesses in the secondary and overlal behind the front 4, I think this is the exact coaching background and scheme this team needs.
I’m happy with Coughlin, I’m happy with Gilbride, I have confidence in Fewell. Let’s get a new special teams coach and then let’s get to SEPTEMBER!
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2010 12:48 PM EST reply actions
Good grab
but not my personal #1.
However, I’ll give him pause for right now because he’s got a lot on his plate. I look forward to seeing how he pieces everything together with everything he’s given.
Hopefully we find the proof in the pudding, come next season.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
Re: the Chicago Tribune article and Cutler's comments -
Cutler stating he had trouble with a scheme doesn’t exactly mean much IMO, seeing how Cutler while he has a good arm has hardly showed he’s anything resembling a good QB IMO.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jan 15, 2010 12:55 PM EST reply actions
Tanpa 2/Cover 2
Heck both Colts and Buccaneers won a Superbowl using the Tampa/Cover 2, so I’m not really worried about the scheme.
This is what the defense was lacking......
Fewell is considered to be a straight shooter unafraid to call a player out and has a natural enthusiasm that helps him motivate those around him."
Well, Pepper was the sentimental favorite
But Fewell seems to be the safer choice. I wasn’t exactly fixiated on an alternate to Pepper, but these comments are reassuring!
I'm another who
had Pepper #1, but Fewell was my #3. I like everything about this guy. TC wanted him and Fewell had other choices but went with the Giants. Can’t beat that. Maybe we can still get Pepper as D-Line or LB coach?
It would be interesting to see if Belichick ...
would allow Pepper to interview for a “lateral”, and if he did it might indicate BB is not that high on him.
Still, the motivational aspect, and having one of those “legacy Super Bowl” LB’s in house would be great to have. Pepper might be worth more to the Giants than the Pats for just that reason.
I don't think Pepper would want to make a lateral move
He’d have to buy a new home, his kids would have to move to a new school, if his wife has a job she would have to look for a new one….. It’s a ton of work to take a job in a different state that pays a similar amount.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 15, 2010 4:09 PM EST up reply actions
This is true...
but, if he feels so inclined to being a Giants again and bleed BLUE…then I don’t think this will be too big of a deciding factor on his end… he’ll way the pros and cons of staying with either the Pats or moving on w/o BB to the Giants, if he were to consider the lateral move..but it is a foot back in the door into the Giants organization.. not that he wouldn’t get consideration later on…but now is a good time as any…with the restructuring of current D coaches for him to make that move – and I will certainly welcome him to do it :)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I think his ties with BB are greater than with the Giants
don’t forget he followed him to the browns and then to the jets. His entire coaching career has been under BB as well
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 16, 2010 1:59 AM EST up reply actions
yeah, I know...
but if he is at that point in his career that he can get away from mama bear and start his own thing…the Giants would be a perfect organization for him to do it…unfortunately, I could only see him do so if it were for DC and not a LATERAL move…altho it was wishful thinking to hope he would just want to get back into the Big Blue Organization, but that is highly unlikely esp now that he can be a candidate to DC with the Pats… ah well…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
What I find very interesting
is how both the Giants and Bears struggled in red zone and third down defense this year and that really seems to be Fewells speciality so both teams went hard after him.
I love the fact players love to play for him, that goes a very long way. I love the fact he’s a great teacher of fundamentals. These are two aspects that BS did not do well and an improvement in both will be a huge step in the right direction .
Like Ed said time will tell if Fewell is the man but I have to credit TC on what looks like a good hire. Fundamentals, motivation, poor Redzone D, and poor third down D doomed this D this year. Fewell seems like he excells in all of those areas. Nice work by TC and the front office to properly diagnosis the problem and find a guy who seems best fitted to fix it.
Bring on the Banzi Blitz!!
I am excited
I really think this is a wise decision. We will have more new talent, returning old talent, and recovering talent, not to mention dumping our ineffective aging players. We had too many injuries this year to be effective against the elite teams. I think Fewell will make this defense play like it was supposed to this year.
by wangstu13 on Jan 15, 2010 5:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
The only problem...
I have with implementing the Tampa 2 (Cover 2) is that it is soft in the middle short routes, which was one of the biggest flaws with our ‘09 season efforts. We have personnel for man coverage and we will be asking them to play off the line with a cushion. That is a very different technique from man and requires a certain kind of CB that we don’t presently have on our roster.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
excited about fewell
He specializes in training db’s and creating a pass rush. Improvement there with a couple of draft pics added in and we could make a quick turnaround and become a great defense again.
The more I read about Fewell the more I am starting to like him..
We shall see right quick whether or not he can coach all facets of defense..We know he’s a good secondary guy, and we sure do need that but we have other issues on that side of the rock to be concerned with. He doesn’t appear to be locked in a one type of defense, which makes me feel a little mre confident that he’ll install a system that is best suited for the players we have..and I have been reading that the guys who play for him really like him..I also liked watching how animated he can get on the sideline..That is a defensive coach..we won’t have to worry about him scratching his head or nuts on the sidelines..He seems to be right in the players noggins..Actually I am a bit surprised that Buffalo let him get away..I am starting to think they made a big mistake..He is certainly not afraid of meeting a Tom Coughlin work ethic requirement either..He very well could turn out to be the real deal. Lets hope so..I was born and raised in upstate New York and I know alot of Buffalo fans that are not real pleased with him leaving.
I think you're onto something....
When a team doesn’t do well even for one year (yeah, I’m looking at US), it’s easy for everyone to get down on everyone involved and want heads to roll. But there seems to be a fair amount of regret that Fewell is moving on, and a lot best wishes coming out of Buffalo which really has had a lot of years that haven’t gone well. I think that’s a VERY promising recommendation. Also, while I think the Bills really did a weird thing in “letting him apply” for the head coaches job that he already had on an interim basis, they must have felt he’d done reasonably well, or they’d have just discharged him per normal and wished him luck. While I’d have never worked it the way Buffalo did, I think in a way, it was a show of respect to invite him to reapply for the job…..not handled particularly well, but I think they clearly didn’t think he was worthless.
The Rooney Rule
could be one reason they interviewed him for the hc spot
by inventor frank on Jan 15, 2010 10:54 PM EST up reply actions
"we won’t have to worry about him scratching his head or nuts on the sidelines"
Thats one of the funniest lines I’ve read recently.
Nice work Bobbi LOL!
Bobbi, I should have read your post before I commented.
you hit the nail on the head…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Tampa 2 defense or not...
I’m really buying into this guy…I really like to hear the players’ opinion, and it’s refreshing to hear things like “your players will love to play for fewell”…
I’m not losing sight of the fact that we still have a ways to go in terms of personnel but I i truly am “buying” 100% right now. We can all jump to conclusions until we’re blue in the face (myself included) but until we see this guy in action, we really have to reserve SOME judgement.
I think we need a “teacher” for this secondary and I think he can also bring that to the table.
it will be interesting to see how things unfold…will he want to clear house? will guinta and merritt be shown the door? HIm and Coughlin do go waaaaaay back….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
New DC Perry Fewell
I have to be honest here. I am glad that the team got a new DC but I truly do not know enough about the man to get excited or not. I read only positive things about the guy which is great but I just don’t know anything about him other then he worked with Coughlin in Jacksonville. I’m glad that everyone seems to be happy about the hiring and I’m getting caught up in the wave of positivity I guess.
Welcome to the family Perry!
GO NY GIANTS!!
New DC Hiring
Welcome to Mr. Fewell,
Now the best thing the Giant Organization can do to give our new ‘DC’ every chance to be a success is fire Gilbride. Our defense got us to the Super Bowl win 3 running backs who got hot and even KG could not ignore using. This year he and TC spent the preseason working overtime to ‘fix’ the WR situation. The running game got the short end from the start! The result was predictable with Eli going over 4,000 yards and the team ending 8-8. There are all kinds of examples over 3 years where Giants football (balance run/pass) has been set aside with a depleted defense worn down at year end. Bring back balance to the offense with someone who is actually committed to that. Finally, stop drafting players (A. Brown -RB, T. Beckum -HB) with a known history of serious injury! Brown may very well never play again and Beckum gave us little to nothing in a year when we needed both incorporated into a balanced offense!
G-Men 1958: nothing you mentioned is Gilbride's fault.
The O line is old and figured out. Jacobs is on the slide end of his career, and figured out. Bradshaw was hurt. Ward was gone. Brown was out. Ware, iffy player. Fixing the Wr’s was paramount. They did. Maybe put too much hope on the RBs and O line giving us another repeat of 2007-8. Didn’t happen. Gilbride adjusted accordingly, playing to the available, and surprising strength: the WRs. Yes we need to regain balance. But if the players aren’t there to execute, balance means bupkis. We’ll see what he does this year with what he has. Frankly, the Giants have been in the top ten offenses I believe for the past 3-4 years or so. Growing up in the 70s, 80s (most of the time) and even into the 90s (when I wasn’t growing up anymore), an offense ranked in the top ten was a pipe dream.KG stays. Eli is better. The Wrs are better. Let’s try to brings the RBs back to where they belong.
I don’t think it’s fair to criticize the drafting of Brown and Beckum. Achilles injuries such as the one Brown suffered are impossible to predict. And most people recover well from this injury now, which wasn’t the case years ago.
Beckum wasn’t used much and the jury is still out on him as a player. But he wasn’t injured this year. He was predicted to go in the first round or two if he hadn’t had the broken arm, which seemed to heal fine. So if they do eventually decide they missed on him, it probably won’t have anything to do with his injury history.
the Giants didn't run as much
cuz the running game stunk.
Even the yards they had is misleading…cuz it stunk.
You can’t be balanced if the running game was useless…which it was (and why I want a new RB)
And…Beckum’s gonna be good. Why aren’t you ripping the Ramses Barden pick? Beckum was more producting then Barden.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 16, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed about the 09 running game
I had no problem going away from the running game when all Jacobs wanted to do is tippy toe to the line and get tripped up by his shoe string ala Ron Dayne. We have a great passing game and our offense should be more balanced then the run heavy Giants of old. Why else did we trade to get Eli? That said, time of possession is still a crucial stat to help out our mediocre (assuming we upgrade to mediocre w/ Fuel, FA & draft) defense stay off the field. If BJ can’t return to 07 and 08 form after this minor surgery then we do need a new RB option. There are a ton out there in the draft and I trust JR will get the most value out of our pick at the RB position. BJ can be a 2nd/3rd RB option for us for all I care. Light a fire under the big man.
by NY Football Giants on Jan 16, 2010 1:16 PM EST up reply actions
I agree this is a good hire. I think his scheme fits the Giants personnel very well. The players never responded to Sheridan from the start and I look forward to the defense redeeming themselves next season.
Of course it’ll help to add a couple of linebackers and get healthy seasons from Kenny Phillips and Chris Canty.
Let's See..
The running game didn’t go because the ‘OL" lost confidence in the RB’s – less talent (Jabcobs, Ware) or injuries (Bradshaw) so they lost their ‘fire’ and went from best in the NFL (judged by many in 2007/2008) to old? How about the ‘OL’ knowing they would be pass blocking most of the time and losing the fire for their run blocking skills! No one ever said the Giant offense wasn’t in the top ten but we both agree it takes balance to be better then 8-8.
For ‘ronjohnson’ – I’m not a doctor so I don’t know how hard Brown’s type of injury is to predict but he had the same type of injury in college and it was described as serious achillies surgery (look it up).
This is Browns 2nd major achillies surgery in the last 2 years!
For ‘FreeBradshaw’ – I actually liked the Beckum pick but he also had a history of injuries (hamstring) at Wisconsin. A major reason for Beckum “not being used much” was a ‘hamstring’ injury in preseason, losing valuable time with the offense.
He wasn’t even available the 1st regular season game or two.The Barden pick does deserve a rip! If he was worth a pick why does he never get on the field till game 16?
No problem seeing KG get one more year! We will see if he gets it but don’t tell me he adjusted this year to what he had to work with. Giants knew going into 2009 defenses where going to ‘stack’ the box, stop the run and challenge Eli to pass and they did!
Yes, developing a new passing attack was a no. 1 priority going in but Eli’s success has ‘always’ come from ‘play action’ and the threat of a strong running game.
You guys have a short memory based on the 2007 Super Bowl win, but there are all kinds of examples where Gilbride gave up on the run to quick or forced a low percentage passing play that put the defense back on the field to often. There was also the sideline incident between KG and Buddy Ryan (DC) when Buddy said “he threw my defense under the bus!” I know… ‘Old History… But if you don’t remember history you are doomed to repeat it and he ‘has’ repeated it in his time with the Giants!
Hope I’m wrong – we will see.. what KG does when we have a healthy stable of RB’s and OL! They tell me Fewell is a very passionate guy so it will be intresting.
Hey, I’m just talking about things that effect the defense besides a bad DC (Sheriden)!. For example, giving the other teams offense a short field because we choose a directional kicking strategy with a 40 year old and play afraid that special teams can’t cover the punt return.
PS.. A RB named A. Foster ran for 123 yards and two TD’s with the Texans against Denver in week 16. He was available in the draft and had no college injury history labeled as ‘serious achilles surgery’ . FreeBradshaw – How would that RB have suited you in week 16 with the Giants?
You mean Arian Foster from Tennesee?
You know why he was undrafted? No..it wasn’t a serious achilles injury….he was always injured too. Also….FUMBLITIS was a disease he’s always had.
How would he have suited the Giants? Would’ve been nice to have that running day. I dunno what the hell he has to do with anything with the Giants….
And what does the 2007 run have to do with anything? I know Gilbride’s not the greatest…I wouldn’t shed a tear if he’s gone.
…but just saying get rid of Gilbride is a useless idea…cuz who replaces him?
Giants offense the past 2 years (who’s the one with the short memory? Forget 2008?) has been in the top half of the league.
The Giants couldn’t run this year for a myriad of reasons. The OL wasn’t healthy, the RB’s and FB weren’t healthy.
Given the track record of these 2 units, I expect most or all the OL’s to come back healthy. But the RB’s? The top 2 are never healthy, especially if they are the only 2 available.
Also..for a team that was down as much as they were in games and had to pass…they were fairly balanced run to pass wise.
It just didn’t seem that way
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 16, 2010 2:19 PM EST up reply actions
See: What does a healthy RB have to do with the Giants!
We have a GM who has done a great job so far and hopefully he will do the same this off season with a priority to running back in the draft. We certainly have addressed the passing game and it is now the best part of the offense. My comments are about the very basic idea of helping out the defense and the new DC with better time of possession, set up the pass and having a fresher, healthier defense at year end.
Eli and Payton both went over 4,000 yards but Eli took more hits and is sitting at home for the playoffs. That said, I believe the Giants have a better defense (minus the LB’s) then the Colts when hey are healthy. Fewell will put the fire back into the defense and just maybe that fire will carry over to the offense. We miss the fire that Michael Strahan gave the team and need someone on the ’D to take up that role. Sounds like we have that fire back in our new DC, now a player needs to step up!
Have a great day!
Also to note
Eli has been working with KG for a several years now. You don’t replace that guy without it effecting the QB slot
by wangstu13 on Jan 16, 2010 5:43 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
true...
but his QB coach Chris Palmer has been working with Gilbride off and on since 1990, he could take over and probably at least do as good.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 16, 2010 8:59 PM EST up reply actions
Def QC
I’m guessing it has something to do with the dress code because it sure didn’t have anything to do with the quality of defensive play.
What does a healthy RB have to do with the Giants?
Your the one who said the running game was useless and said you wanted a ‘new’ RB! My mention of Foster from Tenn. was just an observation that there were RB’s available in the draft that had less of a ‘serious’ injury risk. Drafted or not he was still there at seasons end being productive for a team in game 16. Jacobs and Bradshaw could not carry the load with no help from Brown and little from Ware. By your own comment “top 2 are never healthy, especially if they are the only 2 available” you are saying the same thing! Go after a quality RB in the draft and make it a priority! I’m just saying no one can be comfortable with another year of the 3rd RB being Brown or Ware.
On the memory of history you are the one that neglected to remember that Beckum started the season with an injury PS. please take the time to actually read a comment before you reply:
In both my comments I have always said we had a above average offense. The subject of discussion was balance not offensive ranking in the NFL.
Finally, I said “I was ok.. to see KG on the sidelines for another year” but your comment on the idea of replacing him as being useless.. “cuz who would we replace with” ? That is just as useless because if we happen to loss him to a Head Coaching job with Oakland.. we would have to figure out how to replace him with someone, somehow!
I’m just a loyal Giant fan having a friendly discussion with others of the same motivation. I certainly respect your right to disagree and have an opinion but there is no reason to be negative in your expression of that opinion! I agree with most of the points you made in your replies.. Apparently you only reply with what you disagree with.. Fine.. have a great day.. and ’Go Giants..
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