Cowher wants Giants?
by Ed Valentine on Jan 14, 2010 6:39 PM EST
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New York Giants head coach Tom Coughlin was really hoping to get an answer today from Perry Fewell about the defensive coordinator job. What he didn't need is speculation about his own job.
That, though, is what he has courtesy of Jerome Bettis, who apparently told Chris Russo on Sirius Radio that Bill Cowher is waiting for TC's job.
"That’s the team that he really coveted," Bettis said. "This is where he always wanted to be. The Mara family, he’s been very close to them. … He’s known them very well and was on the inside track — before the Giants won the Super Bowl — for that job. And I think he’s holding out for that opportunity if it presents itself."
Bettis added that he believes that Cowher "is going to be with the Giants" eventually - - possibly as soon as next year.
"He would have definitely gotten the job (after the 2007 season, if the Giants hadn’t gone on a run)," Bettis said. "And if Coughlin doesn’t get that team back in the right direction next year I think they’ll pull the plug."
Here is the full transcript of Bettis' chat with Russo.
Whether you like Cowher or not, this is not something the Giants need hanging over their heads next season. Unfortunately, now it's what they have got.
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Sheesh.
Wouldn’t want to be a DC for a coupla years, wouldja Bill?
I left my swagger in my other pants.
TC is better than Cowher
TC is more consistent in getting to the playoffs. Cowher should have taken the Redskins job.
Giants don't need this
Cowher speculation hanging over their heads for the next year … or two. Thanks a lot, Jerome!
you know i didn't even think about that....
good point.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
For some reason
I have a strange urge to chant “Asshole, Asshole” with a tomahawk motion.
Unless he wants to be the DC for a little bit as HughG16 said (wait, doesn’t he run a 3-4?)
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
isn't it counter productive
trying to get a guy’s job by helping him keep it?
Well Coughlin will retire eventually
As much as I wish it wouldn’t be true. So some type of HC in waiting could happen (although I don’t like the sound of those)
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
might be good
i think it might be good to have this hanging over him…last time TC was on the hot seat they won it all
by LT's Will Power on Jan 14, 2010 6:53 PM EST reply actions
that is probably a good thing...
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 7:17 PM EST up reply actions
Talk about a 800 LB Gorilla in the room
I wonder if this why there has been such little interest in the DC job
It could be well known in the coaching world
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
this doesn't look especially promising
Both Fewell and the Giants will have to work out the kinks in their run defense, as his units were ranked no higher than 22nd against the run in any of his seasons with the Bills.
Bloozer
But it was the bills....
And they were injured a ton, maybe even worst considering they’ve been hit over the years
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I don't know man
22 is 22 and that’s as high as they were ever ranked. That’s not impressive, regardless of injuries or team culture.
Bloozer
Yeah that's true
But the NFC east has become more of a passing division, so the emphasis on the pass defense could help
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Its tough to stop the run...
when you have a revovling door at DT…and no talented depth at DT. DE’s like Aaron Schobel who are basically Osi’s
Kyle Williams is not bad…I think he’s a Pro Bowl alternate, but Marcus Stroud is a shell of himself.
Also…the LB’s are ALWAYS injured.
He’s just gonna simply have more to work with. I don’t think its too much to say that the Giants defense they trotted out on the last game of the season was more talented then the Bills unit…just they didn’t have a guy like Fewell to knock some heads around.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
That has been my problem with Fewell..We can expect an improvement in our secondary
But our LBs and DL need coaching..and I don’t view Fewell as the guy that can get it done..I have been a staunch defender of Coughlin all along, but I think this is it for him…and I wouldn’t mind Cowher at all..We are embarking on another disaster season..Now we have a secondary coach running a defense..great..No new blood, no new ideas, just the very thing Mara does not want, the status quo. I wouldn’t buy a used car from Coughlin. I hope you all have good paddles, because we are all going to be up shits creek.
is that you, Zillag?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2010 9:23 AM EST up reply actions
So much for the long selection process
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Jan 14, 2010 7:08 PM EST reply actions
I was listening to Mad Dog and Bettis today when they said it.
I was going post something but Ed being Ed is all over it.
Bettis made some interesting points that I never even thought of.
1. Cowher was interested in the Giants job after he resigned in 06. TC was in a make or break season in 07 and if he didn’t produce and was fired Cowher would be make a play for the Giants job, he loves the tradition and history and the ownership style of the Giants. All very similar to whats in place in Pittsburgh.
2.. Since the Rooneys’ and Mara’s are close he is very familair with the Giants organization and the Mara’s know him well.
3. He’s balking at a lot of these other jobs, Jets last year, Buffalo, Wash becasue he wants to go to a team with a franchise QB becasue he always thought thats why he never won a SB with the Steelers earlier, he had to wait 12 years to get big Ben.
It makes sense because it seems like he’s waiting for the perfect job and I know his daughter goes to Princeton so he won’t be that far if he’s in NY, with that all being said I’m not thrilled with this being out there but like LT’s Will Power said the last time TC had something hanging over him they won it all so let’s see what happens.
This is what happens
When you have no life. You sit here and post everything under the sun. I actually like it when you guys beat me to these things sometimes.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 14, 2010 9:08 PM EST up reply actions
Hey that statement is completely utterly fal...
It’s uh…
Yeah its true…
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
dont get me wrong, im a coughlin supporter
but bill cowher could be the hard nosed, in your face kind of head coach that this football team needs. perry fewell should be able to handle the defense well enough (anything would have been better than sheridan), but if the team as a whole struggles again next year i would not be surprised to see a coaching change and cowher would be more than welcome to come to new york in my book.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Jan 14, 2010 7:19 PM EST reply actions
no.
he’s not.
Maybe he’s younger, but he’s really done nothing different…tho Coughlin actually won his first SB appearance with the Giants.
If Cough gets canned after next year…I hope they go in a different direction.
I wouldn’t hate the Cowher signing…but its unnecessary to hand a coach that sort of dough who’s done nothing more then the guy here already.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 7:27 PM EST up reply actions
defensive coor...
i think it’s the defensive coordinators who made the giants better – john fox, spag. their defense is what really helped them go to the last two superbowl. fassell and tc just happened to be the head coach. the offense just so happened did their job but not as great as the defense unit.
If you buy into that line of thinking,
which I don’t, then it doesn’t who the Head Coach is. You are saying that only the coordinators matter anyway.
The same was true with Cowher..probably more so
with Dick Lebeau as his DC.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 8:25 PM EST up reply actions
I have to agree
Although the connections here are very strong
If TC doesn’t win a playoff game in 2010 we could be a 2011 team steered by "The Chin
How can you say hes not?
He become a head coach years before Tom did, because of his coaching ablities…he always got his teams to the playoff…with teams with alot less talant then Tom got with the Jags and Giants…Tom was on his way out till Spags got here and brought so emotion back to this team. My view is that Spags won those super bowls not Tom…I posted earlier this year saying Tom lost this team and an 8-8 records speaks volumes to this…Cowher would be a hard nose, emtional , decplined coach they need right now to get the Gmen back to the defense they were known for…and just because Cowher came from a 3-4 doesn’t mean he’d switch to one ….just remember…Tom was let go in Jacksonville and almost in NY…Bill retired
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 15, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions
you lost when you said the Steelers had less talent.
That couldn’t be farther from the truth.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 12:37 PM EST up reply actions
Who did they have in 92?
Neil O’Donnell…Carnell Lake…Levon Kirkland…Yancey Thigpen…Gary Anderson
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 15, 2010 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
Who did Coughlin have in 2004?
Strahan…….Barber Toomer????
And? Kurt Warner?
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 3:13 PM EST up reply actions
you prove my point
I was reffering to the 1995 jags to the 1992 steelers….if you want to compare what Tom had to start with in 2004….Tom had much more to work with … like you said .. strahan..tiki with prime jim fin blocking..toomer .. warner.. eli..osi..shiancoe…shocky
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 15, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Shiancoe was a nothing.
Jim Finn? For real….
Warner stunk.
…how bout ONE offensive lineman?
No LB’s. One WR
O..and go ahead and forget about Hardy Nickerson and Greg Lloyd. Go head and forget about HOFer Rod Woodson.
Yea……….the Giants didn’t even have a defense that good in 2007.
What about HOFer Dermontii Dawson at C?
Merrill Hodge..you know, the ESPN guy? Pretty good FB.
Barry Foster had a good year too.
yea….they were a WHOLE lot better then the Giants that year.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
GRS -- Re: "hard-nosed, in-your-face coach"
Sounds like… Tom Coughlin
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 15, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions
not even close
Bill has a better win lose record and better winning % Tom…550 bill..650 Tom ..131-106-0… Bill..161-90-1… a big differance in a 16 game season plus playoffs
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 15, 2010 9:49 AM EST up reply actions
oopps bills winning %
oopps bills winning % is 630
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 15, 2010 9:52 AM EST up reply actions
who cares?
Andy Reid’s got a nice winning % over there.
What’s it brought him?
Spags didn’t bring the Giants a SB either…cuz why did they not get it in 2008?
Spags helped as much as Coughlin helped.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 15, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions
Don't forget
that TC started with an expansion team. Big difference from what Cowher had to work with, so comparing winning percentage really isn’t fair.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 15, 2010 10:17 AM EST up reply actions
but
Don’t forget that the expansion team got to pick 2 vet player from ever team plus afew 1st round draft picks that year and the next few….he got the build the team he wanted…. he didn’t have to change schemes or deal with other coaches picks…I think it was easier then taking over a less the avg. team with no QB in thier system for yrs to come…and with no really great players at the time
by freakynjbifemandhubby on Jan 15, 2010 10:57 AM EST up reply actions
yea
those expansion teams weren’t like most expansion teams, they got a sweetheart deal (which is why they were both able to get to their respective conference championship games so quickly). The league really overreacted and cracked down when the Browns came back into the league, and it’s taken them over a decade and they still haven’t really recovered from it.
2009 Did Not Happen
I don't think this is a big deal at all.
Bettis’ opinion, whatever. You know Coughlin will retire sooner than later, and it wouldn’t surprise me if that happened when his contract is up. If Cowher is the coach in 2 years because Coughlin retired, would people be upset? I doubt that.
This will only hang over the Giants if they’re terrible next year and that won’t be the case. Everyone needs to relax with this “news”.
Ugh...Cowhers great and all
But Coughlin isn’t even on the hot seat!
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
this reminds me of Tiki Barber's
season long swan song, the year he retired. It was the worst thing for the team and turned this once career long Barber fan into a someone who wanted for him to just shut up and go away.
I don’t care if Cowher could deliver 3 straight championships. It’s a low class thing to do, to put this out there and Bettis ought to know better. Tom Coughlin is as classy and loyal a guy you could find in the NFL. Especially in today’s “me first” NFL. He doesn’t deserve that disrespect. And really, neither does the team.
TC’s gonna get this team rolling in the right direction next season and Cowher will be wishing he took that Jets or Skins job to begin with.
Bloozer
in cowher's defense
throughout all the stories and interviews, he’s been nothing but class. he’s flat out refused to interview for any job that wasn’t already vacant. he drew his line and he’s standing by it. the same can’t be said for other coaches who say one thing and do another cough kiffincough saban
its bettis that is taking advantage of his closeness with bill and interjecting himself into these stories. you can compare tiki to jerome, both using their inside status as players to make themselves news. cowher however, has remained out of the frenzy.
absolutely Bettis' mistake
I don’t have a big opinion about Cowher one way or the other. It’s on Bettis for putting this information out there. It’s low class all the way. But, I’ll be very interested to see what Cowher’s reaction will be now that it’s out there that he’s coveting another man’s job. hey, isn’t that one of the 11 Commandments? haha.
Seriously, if Cowher is as class as you say, he’ll put a squash on this crap rigfht out of the box. Otherwise, he’s as guilty as Bettis.
We’ll see. meanwhile, I’ll be pulling for Coughlin to rally his team and make all this mess a moot point anyway.
Bloozer
you kidding?
if guaranteed 3 straight superbowls? obviously its not possible but if it was sign him up now!…its all about winning, its a business and everybody knows it in the NFL …TC’s a big boy he can take it
by LT's Will Power on Jan 14, 2010 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
You gotta think that ...
part of Fewell’s thinking as to why not Chicao, or hang in there for the slim shot at Buffalo HC is that he might be in position to get a shot at Giants HC when TC steps down or is fired.
Those that have taken HC jobs for nighmare franchises like OAK, and to a degree DAL and WAS have generally regretted it.
if he's thinking he's
got a shot at TC’s job if he gets fired, then I don’t want a guy like that coaching the defense. Winning coaches help their head coach keep his job.
Where’s Pepper? heheh…
Bloozer
we have a DC!!!!
lets not worry about Cowher, if we get back on track next year he will just have to wait.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 14, 2010 8:12 PM EST reply actions
I am delighted...
….and infuriated.
I hope TC coaches the team until he’s ready to leave on his own terms. I hope we win the Super Bowl every year until he leaves. And I hope that Cower continues to wait for that to happen.
But I absolutely hope this doesn’t hang over the team’s head next season. Let this be the last we speak of it for years.
Ugh.
And yay.
OMAHA!
OMAHA!
Bettis
He pulled this same stunt in 2007 and guess what Coughlin went on to win the superbowl.. Bettis said it on CBS i believe that Cowher wants to coach the Giants and thats why he retired.. I’d love to have Cowher and I’d love even more for Coughlin to win another superbowl, so whatever happens thank you Jerome.. btw if Coughlin does win another i happen to think he will retire and in comes Cowher anyways… GOODNITE go FeWeLL!!!
In football, you can always maim a person if you wanted to. -L.T.
this is just people talking
i dont think its really anything to get excited over but who wouldnt take cowher as our next head coach.
oops I crapped my pants!
Relax people
it’s really no big deal, I think TC knows if the Giants don’t improve he’s probabiy gone anyway, so I don’t think this puts any added pressure on TC, and as far as Fewell, U think he will be good for us, time will tell, hurry up next year.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 14, 2010 8:57 PM EST reply actions
here's the plan
Giants win Super Bowl this year. Coughlin decides he wants to go out on top and retires. Giants replace him with Cowher, who wins 3 Super Bowls in next 5 years. Giants become greatest franchise in pro sports.
I like this plan.
2009 Did Not Happen
...or.
Fewell becomes our new DC crush like Spags…and becomes the DC-HC move Giants fans have been craving since Belicheck left.
For real…F Cowher unless the Giants really do implode..which I don’t see happening.
Fewell’s as much a DC hire as a future HC hire.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 14, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
I'll take either plan
if it means 4 superbowl wins this decade.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Let's get back to the playoffs first.
One step at a time gentlemen.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jan 14, 2010 9:26 PM EST up reply actions
Boooo
reality stinks
I’m in the playoffs in my madden franchise :)
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Haha
I posted a fan post about my madden franchise earlier in the year…if only that had any bearing on reality whatsoever….sigh….
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jan 14, 2010 10:14 PM EST up reply actions
I'm in the NFC championship game
I went 15-1 with the last game vs the vikings my only loss
Then I went on to crush them the 2nd time I played them.
Sometimes fake is more fun than real. Especially because its another 6 months until the PRESEASON. Damn time passes too fast.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I replayed a season in Tecmo Super Bowl (I just bought a new NES - best purchase, EVER)
and went 15-1, with the only loss coming midseason to the Eagles. Couldn’t stop friggin Randall C…sorry “QB Eagles.” I won a come from behind OT game against the 14-2 Oilers in the season finale in which I started the backups and then put the starters in at halftime, then stomped through the playoffs before destroying the Oilers in a Super Bowl re-match.
Playing with Lawrence Taylor ftw. He probably had 55% of the Giants tackles for the year haha. I love Tecmo Super Bowl
2009 Did Not Happen
I think it's remarkable...
That both my NES and Sega Genesis are both in perfect working condition, but since 2006 i have gone through not one, not two, but three Xbox 360s.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jan 15, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
I need to get a NES emulator and play it
It seems like one of those games that are so unbalanced its fun
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
honestly
if you’re good enough at it (and/or willing to cheat a bit), you could probably win with pretty much any team in the game. The Giants are one of the 3 best teams, though, b/c it was made the year after they won the Super Bowl.
2009 Did Not Happen
So i've heard
Montana to Rice, and LT blocking extra points. I just haven’t gotten round to actually playing it
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
zimm.net
great site for emulators espeically NES. TONS of games too
Give me work release or give me death - #17
by Plaxico Burress on Jan 15, 2010 2:25 PM EST up reply actions
So I continued the game today
NFC Conference game vs the Saints who are 10-6 (Beat the 14-1-1 49ers [Really, how would that happen?])
I could not stop Drew Brees, until I knocked him out of the game, when then his backup lit me up. They’d score TDs, but Bradshaw broke two 100 yard KR TDs to keep me in. Finally with less than two minutes, I got the lead with some power running by jacobs.
Kick off, and somehow I intercept Drew Brees. Life’s looking good until do to a holding penalty, its 3rd and 8 (I have a 3 pt lead). Not wanting to give the ball back, I call a slant. Eli throws a crappy throw at Smith’s feet due to pressure, and somehow the saints guy intercepts it for a TD.
But it’s not over! Less than a minute left, I go for an epic comeback. I continually find boss open over the middle, but forced to use a time out. Last play of the game, boss wide open, 5 yards away, but can’t shake off the last saints guy. If he was just a little faster I would have won that game.
Naturally I restarted the game and destroyed the Saints in the rematch. I wish i could press the restart button on this season.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Loyalty
TC is a loyal man to his coaches, players, fans, etc. How about if we are loyal to him too.
I agree bongoman
Although after reading most the posts I really don’t see anyone showing TC the door.
I think the overall consensus is Coughlin stays until he wants to go.
"With the game on the line. I want the ball in my hands."
-E
by tito (eight and oh) on Jan 14, 2010 10:15 PM EST up reply actions
Ii'm so tired of Bettis
His columns on SI are drab and he loves dropping bombs like this to get attention.
I’m sure there are at least 30 coaches at different levels that covet the Giants job. It’s friggin NY.
That’s like saying that people in Pittsburgh covet a house with double pane windows, a shower and 20% reduction in the body fat of women.
Cowher!!!!
Can’t wait. It comes down to one thing this year.
Now that T.C. is bringing in ANOTHER coach he’s known
he’s putting himself on the line.
Being buddy-buddy is one thing but when you do it…you better
make damn sure it works….and works fast.
The dump Sheridan….and if T.C. has the same blank stare!
Jerome is right…Mara will pull the plug.
One lousy year is one thing…BUT TWO is UNFORGIVABLE
especially when it’s been the worst in FORTY years.
Like Jerome said…that run to the SB was the only thing that
saved T.C…..but that’s now 2 years removed….make that
now coming to 3.
Ed, better start getting some towels out there on the BBV shopping network
If Cowher shows up they’ll sell like hot-cakes..gonna need something to wipe off the overspray..
2010 is TC's last year
He’d need to at least make the NFC title game AND want to continue beyond 2011 to get a new deal. Neither he nor the Giants will want him to coach the last year of his deal and the team will be willing to eat the $5mm they owe him for 2011.
Both Cowher and John Fox covet the job and both will almost certainly be available. Fox is going to put every last ounce of energy into making the playoffs with the Panthers next year, then telling Richardson to F himself for making him coach out his contract.
The Giants now must have a quality product to sell suites and club seats every year. They can’t afford to have a bad year and they are looking at a nightmare scenario where the J E T S become the hot team in town and get the premium interest from the local corporate crowd. Just ask the Wilpons what happens when your team sucks and offerring clients tickets to your event becomes an insult rather than a perk.
I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing
I like TC, to a point, and I think he’s a top-tier HC. WHat I see here is that when he goes, in whatever fashion it may be, there will be a proven, quality HC in COwher or Fox, as a potential successor. No Ray Handleys on the horizon is good news.
You play to win the game!
I agree
I think the team is getting stale with TC…… we need some fresh blood for the future
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 16, 2010 2:28 PM EST up reply actions
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