In search for DC, worry about the man -- not the system
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 7:00 AM EST
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As I have been monitoring the New York Giants search for a new defensive coordinator, as well as keeping an eye on the discussions amongst the faithful here at Big Blue View, I have come to a realization.
I really don't care what system the new coordinator runs. Tampa 2, press coverage, mostly man-to-man, 4-3 with lots of blitzing, 3-4 with some drastic personnel changes. It really makes no difference to me.
What I really care about, and what I think is more important, is getting a coordinator who will have the respect of the players, who can clearly communicate and teach what he wants, who is not afraid to call out under-performing players and who the players will believe in.
To me, those things are more important than what style of defense is employed. If the Giants assemble talented players who believe in the coach, believe in what he is telling them, know their assignments and fly to the football the system will work. Regardless of what it is.
The Giants interviewed former Buffalo defensive coordinator and interim head coach Perry Fewell last week. It looks more and like Fewell will end up in Chicago as DC. He interviews there today.
All eyes will be on the Giants and former Cleveland head coach and New England defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel for the next few days. Crennel and Tom Coughlin worked together as assistant coaches for the Giants, and I read in a number of places that they have remained close over the years. So, you would have to think Crennel to the Giants would be a real possibility.
With the Patriots out of the playoffs after getting spanked 33-14 by Baltimore Sunday, I am sure there will be increasing speculation about New England defensive line coach -- and former Giants linebacker -- Pepper Johnson.
In a recent article about Johnson, who has coached 10 seasons in New England, Ralph Vacchiano wrote this:
He has never been a defensive coordinator, but he has won two Super Bowl rings as a player and three as a Patriots assistant.
He also is a brilliant defensive mind, according to those who know him, and his presence and winning background would certainly get the attention of the Giants' deflated defensive players.
"Yeah, definitely, it would be instant respect," said Carl Banks, the former Giants linebacker and a teammate of Johnson's from 1986-92. "But even if they know nothing of his history and care nothing about Giant tradition, they'll respect his knowledge of the game. They'll respect the success he has in this league and the teams he's coached."
I reached out to David Heafey of SBN's Pats Pulpit for some thoughts on Johnson. Here is what he had to say.
"I'd hate to see Pepper go because he's done so much for the Patriots' defensive line. Pepper's had to deal with a lot: the departure of veteran presence DE Richard Seymour, injuries to his main go to NT Vince Wilfork, changes in alignments (3-4 to a 4-3 for many games) due to a thin linebacker corp after ILB Jerod Mayo's injury. He's a smart guy with 13 years as a player and 10 as a coordinator under Bill Belichick. He's got the experience and the pedigree to do well. I think he'd be a fine defensive coordinator for Big Blue, fine enough that I'll be concerned when my Patriots line up against him."
One guy I do not think I want to see coaching the Giants defense is New York Jets assistant Bob Sutton. Via Twitter, Newsday's Tom Rock reported that Sutton stated he is focused on the Jets' playoff run and has not heard from the Giants.
After getting the following nugget from John Butchko of SB Nations Jets blog, Gang Green Nation, I'm fine with that.
"Sutton has been with the Jets under four different head coaches. He was defensive coordinator for three seasons under Eric Mangini before a demotion once Rex Ryan was hired. I couldn't encourage the Giants to go in a different direction strongly enough. Sutton's tenure as coordinator was marked by unaggressive and unimaginative schemes, poorly designed plays, a lack of fundamentals, and nonexistant adjustments. Most Jets fans were calling for his ouster over a year before his actual demotion. More than once Mangini became more involved with the defense halfway through the season because he was so dissatisfied with the job Sutton was doing. A lot of people who follow the Jets will tell you Sutton was as responsible for Mangini losing his job a year ago as anybody. Frankly, I'm stunned he has a shot at getting another coordinator job."
Yeah. Hiring Sutton does not sound like a good plan.
I would have to think Dick Jauron is still also a possibility, though his name has not really been mentioned much recently. Green Bay's Dom Capers is also mentioned as a candidate in some circles, although he chose the Packers instead of the Giants just a year ago.
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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a 3-4 DC
So if a 3-4 DC comes in we switch to a 3-4? Forgive the dumb question but can a 3-4 DC coach a 4-3? If his players are better suited ? Or no?
Can Giants personnel swithch to a 3-4 without a transition of 1-2 years and essentially at least one lost season on D?
Personally, I think Giants have 3-4 personnel if they make a couple changes but can they switch and be succesful the first year?
3-4, 4-3
A new DC does not definitely mean a switch to the 3-4. And I am not advocating the 3-4. All I am saying is get the guy you think is the best coach. All these guys can coach more than one system, though they have one they probably prefer.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 7:35 AM EST up reply actions
Who would have thunk
a couple of months ago that the 3-4 defense would become such a hot issue here….ha ha.
Let’s face it. We can’t use the argument that we don’t have the linebackers to play the 3-4…..hell we don’t have the linebackers to play the 4-3!
I’ve read that the primary function of defensive ends in the 3-4 is simply to tie up the offensive tackles and give the outside linebackers a chance to roam. That seems to me what our defensive ends have been doing for most of the year….
True, we don’t have a legitimate nose tackle but we could get one.
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 11, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I dunno why there is any argument on the LB's....
I mean, Kiwi would probably be better off as a 3-4 OLB.
Osi likes to charge upfield anyway…that’s what a 3-4 OLB can do.
Sintim is probably better off doing it.
Boley..not sure, but him playing inside might not be bad. He’s not small either.
Goff, Kehl, Blackburn could be in there too.
The biggest problem is Tuck.
I mean..Bruce Smith had no trouble rushing the passer from the 3-4. I don’t think Tuck is that level…but maybe he could be if he’s healthy?
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 6:30 PM EST up reply actions
The Packers
went from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this season.
It can be done with Cofield at NT, Canty and Tuck as the DE’s. LB is where it starts to get unstuck – but I guess Sintim and Kiwi on the outside and Boley and Goff on the inside.
This does sound promising on paper….can it be worse than this season!
by G Fan in England on Jan 11, 2010 7:36 AM EST up reply actions
4-3/3-4 personnel
The above leaves out Osi. Let’s assume he stays in the plans. He will whine and moan about not starting so he is a starter. That might not be “right” or ideal to have to appease a player like that, but he does still have talent I believe (let’s give him the benefit of the doubt coming off an injury and being unhappy with the system and crappy new coordinator, etc.) — so this is probably best for the team. So I have Cofield and Canty inside with Osi and Tuck outside.
I also think Kiwanuka would be ready to whine and moan loudly if he is not a starter. So it’s back to OLB for him. I think he deserves to be a starter. So Goff at MLB with Kiwi and Boley on the outside with Sintim getting a lot more playing time this year on pass-rush downs from OLB & sneaking up on or right behind the line like Tuck used to do in ’07.
We can keep some of our current personnel for back-ups and draft a future stud LB early, then focus on the secondary with FA pick-ups if possible, and fill in depth with draft.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jan 11, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
Maybe Im wrong
Barry cofield is entirely to small to play nose tackle, maybe on 3rd dwn but on 1st and 2nd no way he would actually play 3-4 end really well, i think it should be a hybrid depending on the offense because we have the talent to do it but we do need a true NT like wilfork to be a consistent 3-4
B.G.
I think Cofield could play NT
he is about 315 – 320. And anyway not every 3-4 team has an NT that weighs 340-350.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 4:24 PM EST up reply actions
I've grown tired of commenting whenever anyone put a label on a guy: "Oh, he is a 3-4 guy"..
This is jibberish..It is the overall experience and defensive knowledge that count..There is no such thing as a 3-4 guy, 4-3 guy, Tampa-2 guy…..That just happens to be the system that smart defensive minds put in place to best fit the talent they have..Pepper Johnson has been a winner as an outstanding player and a winner as a coach and he also brings intense desire. He would instantly command respect and bring most likely new ideas that he can deploy in schemes he devises..To be honest I was hoping the Pats would lose in order for the Giants to accelerate their selection process..Pepper is my hope for the DC job.
Bob,
There is a difference when it comes to physical attributes. Teams DO draft and sign based on which system they are running. It’s a matter of size and speed. Could you just plug guys into places, like the “Osi for LB” talk? Sure. But it’s a matter of putting your players in a position to succeed by playing to their strengths.
Anyway, all the 343443434433433434 talk has gotten really tiresome by this point, so I think I’m just going to give up. I’ll let my point be proven by the organization’s decisions over the next several years instead.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 11, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
This
I oppose the 3-4, but its not under my control
Reese and Coughlin and Pepper/Romeo/Sheridan can figure it out.
Is it september yet?
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I'm not even against 3-4
it’s perfectly good and great and all. In fact I’ve said once before that I read it’s supposed to be the better defense against pass-oriented teams, which of course everyone is bonkers on the NFL going “pass-first” (boo)
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 12, 2010 7:47 AM EST up reply actions
Your right Simms..
That’s my whole point for the most part..Who comes in has what he has and deals with it..Don’t put a label on a defensive coach, because you can’t..This isn’t the Wizard of Oz here..The wizard never got Dorothy home..She always had the power..she just needed the good Witch to tell her how to do it….Now that’s what Pepper will do..but don’t any of you infer or tell Pepper that I used that analogy….but he will be dealing with alot of “Dorothys”..He’ll fix it..
Disagree
there are definitely guys who r just for 3-4’s and guys who r for 4-3’s like for instance Michael Boley is a 4-3 linebacker to play inside on a 3-4 as a line backer you have to be a bigger or stronger LB because you take on guards all day and he is too little to play outside LB in a 34 and rush all day OLB’s in a 34 are basically DE’s……Boley athleticism and speed make him an ideal WLB in a 43 so i respectfully disagree
B.G.
Success
is a relative term, no matter who comes in as DC(hoping for Pepper), wheather or not we change to a 3-4m if we are a middle of the road points agains defense, and the offense scores 26 pts. a game, then it will be a success, we will be in the playoffs and in the hunt, and if the improvent on D continued, we would be in great shape for a long time.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 11, 2010 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Packers D managed the 4-3 to 3-4 transition pretty well
Because the G-Men weren't good enough this season; GO CINCY!
Aussie! Aussie! Aussie! Oi ! Oi ! Oi ! Aiming for ONE medal in the winter Olympics.
by ChuckyofNorris on Jan 12, 2010 2:25 AM EST up reply actions
Just to reiterate, regardless of who the DC or what the base package will be...
…the 11 guys out there on the field must step up and make big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 7:47 AM EST reply actions
A blend
It says in the article Pepper was forced to run both D this year and with pretty good results,yesterdays performance was more to blame on Brady than on the Pats D
I wouldnt mind seeing a base 4-3 with a tendancy to change the look to 3 -4 given the personal changes that I believe are coming.
something aggresive and different, our defense has been very predictable and not what any of us expect from our Giants
So bring on Pepper and bring on change and bring on Sept!!!!!!!
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Teams do that a lot
switching back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4 . . . Giants did that under Tim Lewis a bit.
Might be a nice change of pace for big blue.
This actually would be disturbing
Current players not knowing who Pepper is and some of the Giants tradition? We have the technology (video) today to give them a crash course, if their knowledge is limited. If the ‘86 Giants D isn’t inspirational enough, then your no better than BS! What better person as of now, then Pepper to bring back the ’80’s Giants mentality of D?
Our current players are the torch bearers for the now, and the future. Ever since Armstead and Strahan left, there really isn’t much to talk about when it comes to tradition. Yeah, some players did this or that, but was it sustained over a period of time that would make you feel proud?
This D needs an attitude and identity adjustment. I’m on board for Pepper, but whoever it may be, i hope they bring it!
Tradition and Today's Team
Boley (certainly no all-Pro guy) trashed Harry Carson – and tradition – should be gone. Just another “shirt” mailing it in for a paycheck.
Boley could certainly be on the chopping block...
but I don’t see how him ‘trashing’ Carson (I’d hardly call it that…) should get him cut.
He’s from Alabama. Went to college at Southern Miss. You honestly think he grew up with the same respect for Harry Carson et al as a Giants fan would? He’s only been here one year too…
N8 !
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 9:42 AM EST up reply actions
right, he shouldn't be cut for his comments, but...
…he should at least show some professionalism and defer to the wise men that helped make this organization great. And if he doesn’t know who Harry Carson is, well, we should keep his mouth shut and do his homework.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah any inference to Boley potentially being cut over his Carson response
Is ridiculous…Do think think Harry cares?…The only thing Boley’s comments did were absolutely underline the fact that our defense not only played uninspired, intense football, they won’t even admit it to themselves..That would change for sure with Pepper on the job.
I love Harry Carson but...
…he never should have said what he said. I thing noboby know what’s really going on on the field unless they are on the field.
And with all due respect to Harry where was the Giants pride in 1988 when they lost the last game of the season to miss the playoffs? Or ’89 when a lousy Rams team upset them at Giants stadium in OT in the first round of the playoffs?
Sometimes you are not very good and you just lose.
As far as I am concerned, Harry Carson, LT, Carl Banks, Jesse Armstead, Jim Burt..
George Martin, Leonard Marshall….on and on..Can say what ever they feel they see going on and their opinions are far more qualified than any of us fans are..but they don’t seem to be saying anything we haven’t been saying..To the players we are just fans, they should show respect and listen to the elder statesmen..The guys that know how to play impassioned football and have the scars and rings to prove it..Time to give these talented wanna-bes and think-they-are-bes a taste of words from the Champions..Starting with Pepper Johson..
DISAGREE
The 1988 Jets game was a disaster. As was the 1989 Rams game.
In the 88 Jets game it’s a game we should have won. The D played well. They only allowed less than 300 yards of offense. We had 197 rushing yards but the OL allowed 8 sacks.
In 1989 Rams game our D allowed Evert to pass the ball all over the field. But they only allowed 13 points prior to OT. I remember Parcells’ play calling was ultra conservative. We lost 19-13
One can’t compare those 2 games to the last 2 games of the 2009 season. In this season’s game we allowed 85 points. The team quit. There was never any quit in the 80s defense.
Boley needs to STFU and apologize to Carson
No all pro???
He should never disrespect the past if he did do so but Boley is the closest thing to a playmaking LB we have right now the guy was injured all year and still made a difference when he was in there the reason you dont think he is an all pro is because he had to do the other LB’s job for them such as call the plays……. if he had help at LB you would see this kids true talent…..skys the limit for him
he also was one of our top tacklers and he missed 5-6 games or more so i wouldnt just cut him yet but fans are fickle so i understand
B.G.
I can't wait until Boley is our worst LB...
when we get a playmaking MLB and Sintim grows to potential
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 12, 2010 7:48 AM EST up reply actions
my only worry
im all for the whole “respect” and “inspiration” thing with pepper, but my only worry is that he wont be experienced enough as a DC.
whereas with Romeo that is not a problem.
by EarthWindFire on Jan 11, 2010 7:51 PM EST up reply actions
IMO, when is the right time
Or how much experience is required for a promotion? Whether your young or older, it’s how you convey your message that brings everyone together for one cause, to win. If someone can promote the idea of team-first with self sacrifice, that takes away the negatives of the “I” in team which can be a distraction. You can go on an on, but it’s moreless the approach and mind of the newcomer.
With Pepper though, if it may be an experience thing, i think as a player and a 10 year coach, he’s been around and seen enough to justify the jump!
Agree Ed
Who cares what system is as long as the players respond and the DC is imaganitive and can adust to the oppent.
Jets are a great example, Mangini and Suttun switch to a 3-4 they’re not very good. Rex comes in and outside of Revis it’s there are not any great players on that D yet they play great as a unit. Like you said Scheme does not matter as much. BS probabbly had a fine scheme as did Tim Lewis but players did not respond to these guys.
pats d
didnt do much to raise pepper johnsons stock
by jerseybillfromva on Jan 11, 2010 8:25 AM EST reply actions
Not Sunday
But, then again, the Packers D (Capers) got torched, too. And so did Sean McDermott’s Philly defense. Doesn’t mean these guys are not good at what they do.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 8:33 AM EST up reply actions
which once again underscores the value of...
…the big play.
Like another BBV user commented, these are good defenses that got torched this weekend. Some of the plays were just undefensible and flawlessly executed.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
You got to wonder too
what is up with the Pats D the last few years. I know they’ve lost players, but BB is supposed to be a defensive mastermind and I’ve heard Bill Simmons claim they haven’t made a big defensive stop in 4 years. The shine on BB’s defensive pedigree is starting to lose its luster. I’d think hard about that when considering Pepper. Not saying he’s not a great candidate, but some of his allure is based on past success of the Pats D, not the last few years.
Nah ...
They let a bunch of guys walk this year – Vrabel, Seymour, Samuel, (who am I missing) then their best player (Mayo) hurt…
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jan 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
yeah,
they’re in a rebuild right now and happened to win their division in a rebuilding year where they dumped talen (Vrabel, Cassel, Seymour, etc.,) to stock up on draft picks and cash.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 11, 2010 1:04 PM EST up reply actions
we need a proven DC
What is wrong with you, We don’t need another year like is one, we need someone that is proven. I like Pepper Johnson we need a defense line couch hire him for that. Not a DC. Go out and spend some money and get us back to Giants defense.
Spags was not experienced.
He would actually be less experienced then Pepper.
Any of the people being talked about have more experience then BS, and would not be a lateral move.
Pepper would as good a choice as any
N8 !
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 8:47 AM EST up reply actions
perfect opp for Pepper
he has years of experience as a big time player and as a long time coach for a big time team during the past decade…
he’s got smarts, he’s got fire/emotion, he’s got pride, he’s got leadership and he’s going to get the players’ respect…
what more do you want from a coach… and he’s got 5 rings… he knows what it takes to win
perfect opportunity for Pepper and the Giants if they do it.
although, I heard that Fox was given a rare choice to continue next year as the HC or leave… do you think he might become more of in the realm of possibilities as any other??? I know I agree with a lot of people here that I would love to see either Fox or Pepper lead the D
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Wrong with who?
An attack like that — whoever it was aimed it — is not very impressive for your first post here at BBV. That’s not how we do things here.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 8:58 AM EST up reply actions
hey Bobby, we know what's wrong with you
the same thing that’s wrong with all of us. We’re all New York Football Giants nutcases! hahaha
Bloozer
the 2 best DC we ever had were not proven
Belicheck and Spags
they were both assistants and line coaches
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
There has never been a Coach in the history of the NFL
That at some point in their careers were “Unproven”..Nobody..They all needed a shot to “Prove” themselves…Name somebody who didn’t?..I not even lending creedence to any of this “Unproven” jazz.. I am looking for more than that..and Canda..I don’t think there is anything wrong with that line of thought..There is absolutely no candidate on the list Ed provided OTHER than Pepper Johnson that can claim they Played and coached for successful franchises. The rest of them represent flops and Coors-light commercials…An here is an example of why I hate DCs sitting up in the booth and trying to coach..Dom Capers yesterday was seen on TV literally slaming down some papers in pure obvious disgust…If he was down of the field he could have gathered his players on the bench and showed that emotion directly to them..I want an animated guy who is looking the players in the eye and coaching them realtime…This is the NFL, not NINTENDO.
The Giants usually have great success or
great faliure with first time guys. . . .
lets hope if they hire a guy like Pepper it’s great success.
I just hope Pepper is well respected around the league and especially in the Pats org. I hope it’s not well he played for the Giants so lets make him DC, I theGiants do their homework and see he’s a legit and up and comming coach.
I agree with Ed ...
The man is more important the the current scheme he runs.
Being creative, and not just copying the rest of the league, and ability to game plan for specific opponents and make those in-game adjustments separate the good from the great.
Love the idea of Pepper’s Giants legacy, but don’t know how to evaluate his abilities in those two crucial areas. You never can with a non-coordinator. Spags could do it, but Sheridan could not. It’s a bit of a crap shoot.
good point
although, I will go out on the limb and say that he (Pepper) has probably learned a thing or two from BB on game planning and game time adjustments…plus as one of the great GMen LBs of the late 80’s early 90’s – I’m sure he knows how to read D’s from first half to second half during games…
if anything, at least he gives me that good feeling of the late 80’s and early 90’s again :-)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Tell you what Shof, i'm not much of a dice player
But lets assume we rolled boxcars with Spags and were bitten by Sheridans roll of snake-eyes. This is a new roll and i’m thinking we can do something better than that. Perhaps a 7 or a 11? Thats good right? lol
I thought boxcars was the worst throw in dice
the way we play it, 7&11 are the best rolls, followed by 2-12 lowest wins, but 6-4 is an automatic loss
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 11, 2010 9:59 AM EST up reply actions
Ok then, by that system
We rolled an 11 with Spags, a 6-4 with BS and going by numerical standards, hopefully a 7 with…?
Pepper Johnson?
I dunno. Just bring a bunch of $1 bills and let’s drink 40s at the corner
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 11, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
I voted for Pepper for three reasons
1. He’s a Defensive Line Coach who was a pretty damn good linebacker. That gives him intimate knowledge of two aspects of a defense.
2. He played under and coached under one of the greatest defensive minds in the history of the NFL (belicheat)
3. He has a more personal connection to the Giants than any of the other names on that list. As a key component of some great Giant defenses, he may take some sort of personal ownership of the way the defense plays beyond what pertains to his job.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
+1
yeah, I voted for him too…
I just hope he doesn’t get caught stealing opponent’s signals ;-) (just kidding!)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I think Sheridan Stole Signals From the Giants
and gave them to the other team.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Jan 11, 2010 9:25 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Pepper...
At times during the season, the defense did not seem motivated or fired up to get the job done. I know pepper will get the respect and wont be scared to call out guys who are under performing. Don’t think any of players would be stupid enough to try take him on.
I think it would stink to let Fewell slip away...
then again, it probably wouldn’t be all that smart to may a quick hire right now.
The Bears obviously have no clue on what their doing..so even if Fewell turns out right for them, it will be like throwing crap against the wall and seeing if it sticks.
Pepper Johnson regardless of Fewell, probably is the best candidate. Not cuz of his Giants ties. More cuz of the fact he’s basically Antonio Pierce except after a while out of the game and a long tenure as an assistant.
Not only was it great that the Patriots got knocked out..but its good cuz hopefully now Pepper is the third DC to be interviewed.
N8 !
systems coordinators
It annoys me to hear that one coach is a 3-4 guy and another is a 4-3. A good coach should be able to run either, depending on the talent on the field. If he wants to change systems ultimately, that’s fine, but the Giants are quite a ways off from having the right players to switch to a 3-4, and with a young team and a lot of very good players, I don’t think the Giants are up for a rebuilding period.
I voted for Pepper.....
He has been with the Pats for 10 years, thats a lifetime for most guys in the coaching world
Belicheck does not strike me as the type of guy who keeps people around just because he like them
We are about to hire our 4th DC In what 5 years??
alot of the other candidates could be gone in 1-2 years for head coaching positions
not to say Pepper would not be courted but he stuck with the Pats through one of the best runs the Pats have ever had
I would think he has had other opportunities during that time.
And I loved the guy as a player and he has studied under one of the best defensive minds ever much like Spags did with J.J.
I think thats why TC is going after him
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
Nice pic of Pepper in this thread...
It looks like he is reading an x-ray.
“And you see here, guys, this is where the hairline fracture has formed on Wilfork’s metatarsal from supporting his big, fat frame…”
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 10:29 AM EST reply actions
Pepper looks jacked
he looks like he could still go out there and lay down the law on some running backs or QB’s
2009 Did Not Happen
I didn't vote for Johnson, but...
I’m impressed that he shifted defensive fronts to adjust to his personel and injuries. This beats the heck out of Sheridan’s “last week’s plan didn’t work, so we’ll talk a bunch about manning up and playing harder and being more responsible and dust it off again next week.” I’d certainly interview him, and while I didn’t cast my vote for him, I’m not opposed to the idea. It couldn’t be worse than what we had this year.
Hmm, the votes so far?
There have been 25 for someone else but not a peep being posted as who they may be? I’m just curious who these mysterious DC’s are and where they’re coming from!
LOL!
I’ve been wondering too..
I’ve been wondering even more why Dom Capers is mentioned? Might as well mention Spagnuola while we’re mentioning it.
Capers is signed with GB. They had an excellent defensive unit…I dunno if any team in history can stop Kurt Warner going off like that.
If this was 2008…sure. Or maybe this is a hindsight thing?
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 12:12 PM EST up reply actions
Some of us may not know who it will be
but don’t think anyone on the list is where the DC will come from. me, I personally liked Fewell, but it appears he is going to be gone very soon from the options.
well....
that’s the point.
Who?
Who isn’t on this list that is a candidate, and also is a capable candidate..and also is a realistic candidate?
Jim Mora Jr? What for?
Tony Sparks below mentioned Leslie Frazier. I dunno that he’ll want to make a lateral move…I’m sure he may have the coach in waiting thing in Minny already (Childress is an idiot you know…)
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 12:28 PM EST up reply actions
Leslie Frazier
I want to see Leslie Frazier become the defensive coordinator and assistant head coach. I want him to be promised the job after Coughlin is done.
It's Pepper in a landslide!
1) The people have spoken! Mr. Mara, make it happen!
2) There are 734 of us slacking off work right now talking about a football team that’s not even in the playoffs.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I am not slacking off work............
I am busy reading BBV : -)
Voted
I voted Pepper with Romeo a close 2nd.
My vote for DC was for "Someone Else"...
…as “since ’57” wasn’t listed. He edges out other clamoring for the return of the 3-4 by a nose, though FreeBradshaw would also be a suitable DC, I reckon (methinks he is better served as Director of Scouting, though).
I wonder what my our coaching staff would look like if BBV ran the Giants?
I think I persoanlly would angle for the ST coordinator, for special teams is all about stepping up and making big plays.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 1:05 PM EST reply actions
Thank youf or your support.
I am available and could arrive in NY this week to take over the helm of the new 3-4 defense…..Ha ha
by giant fan since 57 on Jan 12, 2010 5:03 PM EST up reply actions
its Pepper Johnson
all the way. Toss the other names on the list and hire the man now. You know what? This man will have a positive effect on the whole team and he will be a literal bridge that connects this team to the Giants historic creed of relentless, attacking defense.
Bloozer
by blooz on Jan 11, 2010 1:06 PM EST via mobile reply actions
yesterday I watched
that monumental goal linestand at Mile High in the snow in 89. Thats the Giants creed and thats what Pepper Johnson brings to the table more than any other guy on this list. So let it be written, so let it be done!
Bloozer
by blooz on Jan 11, 2010 1:12 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Anyone see this?
According to NFP, Tom Cable will be fired today. Interesting to see what will happen with Gilbride. I think I’m torn at this point as to whther I want him to take the job or not. The offense was very good this year.
I like stability...
but then again…I’ll never shed a tear for Gilbride leaving.
I think Chris Palmer could do just as good anyway..maybe better (tho hopefully the in house move pans out in this case…I think it will, Eli’s too good)>
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
The offense
was good despite Gilbride’s RZ play calling. He was too predictable and too stubborn. Also, on more than one occasion Eli was frustrated with KGs delay in calling the play.
coaches
i would like to see a coach who is not a personal friend og coughlin. there is to much of that already in pro football.
yea...
coaches that are friends and have worked together before are never good…
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
Pepper is the best choice to me
of all the choices I’ve heard of so far. I remember seeing him as a player at practice, sometimes quiet, sometimes very vocal, but there was no doubt that he was ALWAYS as intense of a player as was ever created. I’d like to hear from anyone who has seen him definitively within the coaching sphere, maybe to find out if he coaches with the same intensity that he played with as a player. I would have to guess that the two are similar.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I chose Pepper
Mostly cause I think he’d get the most from the guys. It’s clear the D quit on Sheridan, meaning there was lil to no respect. It’s obvious that the issue he and Osi had at the beginning of the season was an early indication of the mess we would become. I think Pepper would garner more respect, and get the most out of the D.
Hell,
all he needs to do is walk in w/ his 5 rings on his hand.
And the here’s some reaching: bring Pierce back…as the LB coach. Yeah, I’m sure he wants to, and will play somewhere next year. But like I said, reaching.
Also, I hear Wilfork’s contract is up. Hmmm…..
I think they dumped seymour to
clear cap space to resign Wilfork.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Jan 12, 2010 7:50 AM EST up reply actions
I like
the idea of Pepper as DC, but I think we should be willing to give him a couple of years to get it down the way he wants. I don’t think 1 year and out would be a fair test in this case, unless it is an obviously weak job or the players just won’t play for him as in the case of BS.
I'm sure the D wouldn't dare quit on Pepper ...
My only question is his ability to game plan /adjust. Wonder if that tends to develop under Belichick, or be stifled since BB is the de-factor Coordinator.
In business, one mark of a good manager....
is that he structures his organization around the skills of the people he has rather than try to fit them into a preconceived organization chart. We want a DC who has the flexibility to do that and the intelligence to make it work. So I agree with Ed – I don’t care whether he runs a 3-4 or a 4-3 as long as it is the best fit for his personnel.
Mickey C
+1
these coaches are professionals, if they can’t adjust from 4-3 to 3-4 then they shouldn’t expect to ever be a coordinator anyway
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
Someone explain to me
why mike zimmer is not on that list?
i would have voted for him.
How you gonna put an under contract dom capers on the list, but not a coaching free agent mike zimmer?
I'm only guessing
The names on the poll have either been interviewed, will be or there have been linked rumors of mutal interest. Or perhaps media fabricated rumors? Or, TC has worked with them in the past at some point and it would seem like a logical exploration.
Oh, Capers is on there probably because of last year, i guess the Giants had interest in him then!
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