New York Giants position breakdowns: Wide receiver
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 11:00 AM EST
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It is time to begin position-by-position breakdowns for our New York Giants, and I am going to start with the offense. I figure that by the time I get to the defensive unit the Giants might have a defensive coordinator in place, and that could affect the analysis.
My goal is to run one of these each day until they are done, though breaking news and other events might change that.
I will give you some thoughts on each position, and at the end I will give you thoughts on who to keep, who to dump and a draft/free agency priority. In terms of priority, 1 will be highest and 5 will be lowest.
Let's begin with an easy one -- wide receiver.
We spent all of last off-season worrying that the Giants did not have reliable, play-making targets on the outside for Eli Manning. Remember all those calls to trade for Anquan Boldin? Braylon Edwards? Brandon Marshall? All that debate over which receiver to draft?
Turns out, we need not have worried so much. Amazingly, and I think inarguably, the group of young wide receivers General Manager Jerry Reese assembled was the Giants' unit that performed the best during the 2009 season.
If this group can stay healthy it very well might go down as the best group of wide receivers the Giants have ever had.
Steve Smith, of course, became the No. 1 target Eli needed. His 107 catches blew away the franchise's single-season record. He is a third-down machine, simply uncoverable on short and intermediate routes.
Hakeem Nicks will, I think, go to several Pro Bowls in his career if he stays healthy. He caught 47 balls in 14 games, and showed great ability to make plays once he got the ball in those huge hands. He averaged an impressive 16.8 yards per catch.
Mario Manningham had his ups and downs, but was exciting and impressive overall. He caught 57 balls, and he should continue to improve.
Domenik Hixon had just 15 catches, as he was more or less pushed aside by Nicks and Manningham. He is a good player, though, and I would love to see the Giants keep him. Same for Derek Hagan, whose special teams abilities can't be discounted.
Sinorice Moss? Let's quit wasting our time with this guy.
Last but not least, Ramses Barden. Had no impact on the 2009 season, a surprise to many of us who saw him in training camp. I have little doubt, though, that the 6-foot-6, 230-pound Barden will push his way into the top four receivers in 2010.
So, when it comes to this group there is an awful lot to feel good about.
Keep: Smith, Nicks, Manningham, Hixon, Barden, Hagen.
Dump: Moss.
Draft/Free Agency Priority: 5
(E-mail Ed at bigblueview@gmail.com)
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Good group
I like our top three. a) A possession type (Smith). b) big target who’ll make big plays (Nicks; people compare him to Boldin but he actually sometimes he reminds me more of Fitzgerald in that he’s big, runs his routes, gets up and makes the grab w/ the big ol’ hands, and then shakes defenders with some moves before breaking loose where Boldin is kind of a slant/burner guy albeit a real tough one). and c) and #3 guy who’s a streaker/burner/slant-and-go guy who’s real fast and can run routes to boot (Manningham).
I’m fine bringing Hagen back for camp but I would try to get Tyree back in favor of Hagen. Moss obviously has no place on an NFL squad.
by BigBlueDeadHead on Jan 11, 2010 11:14 AM EST reply actions
gotta get over tyree
he has his place and thats on the SB highlight reel not on the field, hagen is a way better player all around
by LT's Will Power on Jan 11, 2010 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Smith
Ed
Do you have an update on Smith asking for/getting a new contract?
The Giants do need to lock him up for a few more years.
by G Fan in England on Jan 11, 2010 11:24 AM EST reply actions
Nothin, G Fan
I’m sure it will play out, but not right now.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
Hagan is highly underrated
and very useful on special teams. Hope they keep him around.
Unpredictable
I guess that’s why the NFL is so great; you never know what a year is going to bring…Eli and the receiver’s were basically the lone bright spot of 2009, but there is so much room for even more growth. This unit could usher in a new era of Giant offensive greatness, I just hope that doesn’t include a new era of defensive futility…
Moss
isnt this guys contract up?
I thought he signed a 4 year deal in 06, I dont think Eli trusts him either
Hagan should stay,as a 4th Wr and a insurance policy on Hixon for the return game
I will save my thoughts on Tyree for special teams talk
You can see a lot just by observing-Yogi Berra
the peculiar thing about Moss...
…is that he is statistically our best receiver in terms of thrown to vs. completions. Although he has only had 13 catches during the past two years, the guy has not dropped a single pass, nor had one sail on him, etc. So I don’t believe it’s a case of Eli not trusting him, because by that metric no one else snares them like Moss.
Still, 13 catches in two seasons is not a very large sample set, and that Moss has only been thrown to that few times says something about the team’s willingness to utilize him.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 3:07 PM EST up reply actions
Moss
definitely has to go
let him get a chance on another team so he can save his NFL career and end with some dignity…. we just don’t have any use for him at all.
he’d probably be decent if we ever use him and use him like Wes Walker (slot dude), but we already have our man at the slot…
and he stinks it up in whatever chances he gets on any returns (punt or kickoffs)…
Hagan is def. underrated
Barden all-world potential and the height doesn’t hurt either…
Hixon – good for 4-wide sets and returning duties…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Even w/ Moss gone...6 WR's could be a bit much for this team....
especially w/ all the other holes throughout the team.
I for one would not be surprised if someone else from the group does not return. I think JR will trade one of the WR for a draft pick or for a player.
I think Hixon, Manningham, Barden, or Hagan will not be in a Giants uniform come next year. Hixon and Hagan are our best special teamers outta the group and Smith, Nicks, Manningham, Barden will not or can not play Special Teams….
that being said, i would not be shocked if Manningham or Barden get dealt.
I do’nt see anyone taking Smith or Nicks’ job….Manningham has shown flashes, Barden we can only hope will do the same, and I think the Giants feel the same way, if they hadn’t why use your 5th round pick to move up in the 3rd round to take him???
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
disagree
i highly doubt any WR other than moss are going anywhere…no way they would let barden go, especially the way they let manningham hang around for a year before he got his shot this year…besides the rumblings are in practice barden is lighting it up, just needs that extra year to catch up to NFL speed/intellect
by LT's Will Power on Jan 11, 2010 1:24 PM EST up reply actions
Bradshaw on PR?
With Brown back next year, why can’t we have Bradshaw returning punts? This guy is so explosive and I’d like to see him with the ball as much as possible.
Drop Hixon and get Bradshaw the 3rd down and PR duty fulltime. Use him on 1st and 2nd when needed.
plus you don't want to expose your potential #1 back...
…to the kinds of hits returners absorb in ST with an opponent barreling down the field at them full speed ahead.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 3:09 PM EST up reply actions
Bradshaw returning Punts
Right – I’m assuming that Brown is back and Jacobs is the #1 back.
I Know 6
is a lot, but my feeling is not to just automatically let a good player like Hixon go. Bring ’em all to camp and see what happens. You never know with injuries and all, so if you can keep a good player then do it.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 2:05 PM EST up reply actions
we won't automatically let someone go
we’ll try to trade someone and get something in exchange. It’s not like we’re releasing someone.
we all know Offense is not the problem.
JR has said FA market will be quiet, JR said they’re will be more trades this off season, JR said there are too many WRs on the team.
I happen to agree w/ him. Go out and get a high draft pick or a player for our new DC.
As FB has pointed out in the past….we don’t have any Safeties on this team that are dependable. Even KP….guy is a ?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Why would you trade
any of these guys? I don’t get that. You have a strength and now you are going to start taking it apart? Leave it alone.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST up reply actions
It's because i don't see the top 4;
Smith, Nicks, Manningham, and Barden all getting equal playing time.
And IMO all 4 are at least 3rd string WR’s in the NFL…..at least.
if our defense wasn’t the 2nd worse defense in the history of the NY giants i’d say keep them all, but our Defense stinks….and defense wins games.
so that’s where i’m coming from.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
who cares about equal playing time?
weapons…weapons weapons..
I could care less if Barden only has 15 catches next year….as long as a few of them are TD’s.
You never know who’s gonna get injured.
The WR depth is not so deep that you can get rid of them.
If anyone they trade…sign and trade Hixon. Leave HAM on the Giants.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:39 PM EST up reply actions
I do....
when i see a NFL caliber WR rotting on the sidelines…..whilst our defense looks pathetic.
I think Hagan and Hixon are legitimate 3rd and 4th options (should someone get injured_….I mean since when are we in the business of keeping guys only because of their Special Teams play? Hagan and Hix can play….let them.
Our defense needs help….help them.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
sure..of course help the defense.
but not at the expense of Smith, Nicks, HAM or Barden.
Leave them alone.
There’s entirely too many other things to worry about then to bring up the question “Can Barden be the 3rd WR?”
Its an unnecessary move. I doubt that any GM’s gonna pony up for Manningham anyway with a equal caliber S, there’s so many WR in this draft that they’d be pretty dumb to downgrade their own safety corps.
Help the D. Help the ST.
…leave the WR, or at least the top 4-6 (if we’re gonna include Hagen and Hixon) alone.
If anything…let Hixon and/or Hagen go and upgrade those spots. But leave the other 4 be.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:23 PM EST up reply actions
If we trade any receiver it
should be be Hagan (if we could get anyone for him) then Hix. If we trade Hix, who will the return guy be? Ham?
Although I agree
I don’t think it’ll happen…I mean, Hagan hasn’t shown anything of real value to trade for… he was cut before we picked him up and he’s the last man on the pine for us…so I don’t think anyone would seriously consider trading for him, they can wait for him to get cut or put on our practice squad…but those won’t happen b/c he’s a good special teamer besides being an ok receiver. Hixon, unfortunately does have more trade value than Hagan. But, I would hesitate for the exact reasons you mentioned, he’s our only slightly above average KR/PR – then we would open up another hole. If he focuses only on KR/PR and 4-5th string, then he’ll be a lot better off next year.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
?????
You think Smith is a 3rd stringer WR? Same with Nicks?
I couldn’t disagree more.
re read...
I said “at least”
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I would simply put...
that it’s waaay too early to realize if a WR in the league for 1 year is going to be at most a 3rd stringer… it’s like how a lot of people were with the D this past year… appearance of how they are on paper is totally different from how they will be in future games (to say the least)… there’s not enough evidence there to warrant Manningham or Barden as 3rd stringers… Yes, Smith has shown #1 or 2 ability the past few seasons and Nicks has looked spectacular most of the time… but to say Ham and Barden are 3rd stringers with no ample playing time (a year for Ham is not a lot of playing time, considering its his real first season)…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Because...
There is only one ball. Just like DE – if you are going to keep Osi, Tuck, Kiwi with Sintim for depth – one or more of those premium guys is going to be on the bench.
That sucks, especially when you have NO DT’s, NO LB’s and NO Safeties that can play.
As a GM, you have to take the surplus you have at those other positions and parlay them into players that can contribute at positions where you have nothing. If you do that, ALL your talent is on the field, instead of stored on the bench IN CASE someone gets hurt.
I would trade Manningham because I think he is young and shows enough flash where he would be a legit bargaining chip (to me, trade him for McGahee and both teams get better) – I also have this weird thing about WR’s that can get open like crazy that can’t catch, stay inbounds or hold onto the ball. I would also trade Osi.
Lastly, what aspiring “stars” want to languish in a “rotation”? My buddies and I are still miffed that Nicks was giving up snaps this year to Hixson and Manningham – he is and will be a better player if given the opportunity. Its very difficult to keep better players satified with bits and pieces of playing time – you saw that clearly manifested with Osi this year.
Annoint the players, and let them become stars and “go-to” guys. How much timing can Manning develop with a six man “rotation”. This is not the norm, go-to guys are just that. Every down players.
This team has too many gaping holes on D, and maybe at RB to be so deep at other positions.
yea..but...
you don’t go and trade who we got.
They’ll have 4 options for WR…3 of which are semi-proven.
I’d rather go with 3 and one proving themselves, then 2 and one proving themselves.
Leave it alone. Do not trade the youngins. Trade an old guy on the downslop of his career instead…like Osi (even that I’d say no…)
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't be against...OSI being traded
if we get something good back…but then again, it’s a krap shot – he’s coming back better next year, even though he said that he was already back to his old self this year… if the odds are 50-50 on him being a better person next year, then we can’t lose either way if we trade him…chances will still be 50-50 unless we get 2 back for him like 2 draft picks :) then the odds are better for the team as a whole… and so far he’s proven that he is not an all-down DE.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
You will not get more than a 4th for Manningham
and he is the only one that we can realistically trade. So we’ll be really playing with fire. A 4th rounder is unlikely to contribute the 1st year anyway.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 3:55 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't trade Manningham for a 4th rounder.
I think you can get better value for him….but if that was the case, than i simply say, “no thanks”….but at least I explored my options.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
draft picks are always worth more than players
unless its a perennial pro bowler.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
realistically
I see Ham having more trade value after next year, assuming he does better than this year and improves his game…and it’ll be easier for the Giants to do so, if Barden comes along nicely and cracks the 30% playing time at WR.
Then assuming the same things that happened this year with Smith and Nicks… then you can possibly have this scenario after next year… (wishful thinking, but not out of the realm of possibility)
Smith – same ole Gamer (leads team in receptions)
Nicks – more of a Stud than this year (leads team in TDs)
Barden – surprise, he’s an up an comer!
Manningham – better stats than this year and a burner…then he can become trade bait…assuming Giants feel good with Barden and can get 2 picks for Manningham
but then the flipside to this…is that maybe then the Giants will want to trade Barden and not break what they have with Manningham….
but all in all…it’s purely speculation…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
or better yet...
they solve the safety and the rest of the defense’ situation.
And of course most importantly…KEEP HAM…cuz they really wanna keep that #10 guy happy by leaving all his stable of weapons around him.
Keep Barden.
C’mon man…this is all a last resort sort of thing.
Didn’t you see the Cardinals Sunday? They didn’t even have Anquan Boldin out there.
Boldin, Fitz, Breaston and Doucet. They may ride that to the SB, cuz that’s unstoppable.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 10:27 PM EST up reply actions
don't forget the most important factor for AZ...
…Kurt has God on his side.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Now that's what I call...
…stepping up and making the big statement.
Francisco Cervelli?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 11:16 PM EST up reply actions
Kurt Warner praying after the game:
“Dear God, we thank you for your love, and letting our WR run right through the Packer secondary”
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I want the Giants to leave their WR
group alone…that’s where I am… just get rid of Moss (we don’t use him anyway)…
but if they were to trade HAM, then I see him having more value after next year, if what I said in my statement above happens next year…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I can see us losing one
It’ll be Hixon, Manningham, or dare I say, Smith. These guys all garner respect and some value. I know everyone’s heart drops when the thought of losing Smith comes up, but I could see it happening. He’s probably at his highest value right now and there’s def teams interested. But he’s proven he won’t get YAC and he can’t catch the ball down field, period. I love his reliability on third down as I’m sure the team does, but I can see management making this move.
No way on God's green earth
would the team even think about trading Eli’s security blanket. If we get rid of a receiver, it will be Moss and then Hixon.
Moss is gone regardless
though I could see Hixon being moved in a trade b/c he holds value.
by YankeeDudeL on Jan 12, 2010 12:04 AM EST up reply actions
You could probably see the Colts trading Reggie Wayne as well
but it doesn’t mean it will happen. Smith is the 2nd best player on the team right now, there is absolutely no way he will get traded.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Got rid of Harrison
Things work out that way sometimes.
I know, it’s crazy. If this were to happen, it’s not to free up the number of WRs as much as trade value. Like maybe trading up in the draft, or some other major off-season acquisition.
by YankeeDudeL on Jan 12, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
Harrison was 36 and clearly washed up
yet he wanted to be payed like a #1 WR.
Much, much different situation
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 12, 2010 2:49 AM EST up reply actions
I really hope they keep all of these guys...
well..not Moss.
But Hixon I think should be brought back. As a #1…he’s not good. But as a 4th guy, or a sub, he’s excellent IMO
Smith, Nicks, HAM (DO NOT TRADE HAM…DAMMIT!!!), Barden, Hixon, and yes, Hagen.
Keep em all. Keep Becks too.
The only thing they should think about doing is adding a superior blocking TE. Maybe even the OL they draft is in the vein of Beatty (I really hope not..they need a big bastard..like 340lbs big bastard)
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
Per PFF
Boss was 3rd in the league in run blocking. His pass blocking was poor.
You gave me one player.
What about the other TE?
That’s my point. They need that #2 TE that can block….like Mike Matthews was.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:21 PM EST up reply actions
I think thats why they signed BEAR Pascoe
to be a blocking TE. He is almost as big as Matthews anyway
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 3:59 PM EST up reply actions
why keep them all....
if 3 will get 90% of the playing time. I know the giants say they will use a 4 man rotation at WR but we already know what we have in Smith and Nicks so it’s not like we’re “trying guys” out anymore.
I think Barden and Mannigham are NFL caliber Wide Outs as well….and like you said Hixon can be a 4th option on a lot of teams….i think the same can be said for Hagan.
Why have the horses if we’re gonna leave them in the stable (i’m copying this quote from someone else that I said it in here before me).
Hey if the Giants can work it where 4 guys (Nicks, Smith, Manningham, Barden) can play and have an impact i’d say, heck bring them all back….but if we can’t….why keep them? especially when we’re looking for a DT, S, LB, yada yada yada.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
depth if one of them gets hurt
and why let another team potentially use him against us when he can be on our team?
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions
so we can get a starting Safety, or LB, or OT
that will actually play as opposed to a WR who won’t.
I think Hagan or Hixon could fill in fine as a 4th option.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Depth for one
And Hagan is our best ST
And Hixon is our best KR
injuries...
didn’t you notice what happened to the supposedly deep DL?
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions
here's another example....how about our Safeties????
or should I say the 1decent safety on our Roster. Did we really need 7 WR’s this year while we largely ignored the Safety position????
Yeah, i’d sooner trade one of our 6 WR’s (once Moss is gone) to get a starting Safety.
Like i said, if we didn’t have as many holes than i wouldn’t consider it….but if you can find a way to address Safety, DT, LB, Tackle all in the draft, well, sign me up because I’ll be all for that.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I would too...
I wouldn’t trade Smith, Nicks, HAM or Barden tho….
You have no idea if WR won’t be a hole next year. The Giants need their 3 WR, whoever they are. Having one in there for roation purposes, situation (Barden), or whatever, is nice.
7WR was a bit much…Sinorice Moss obviously had no place on the team.
I’d much rather the trade route be the last and final option if they can’t figure out any other way to get a S on this team.
Draft, FA, even the UDFA here now like Rashad, deserve to get a chance before they consider trading a WR.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah I mentioned this before
we have 2 rookie free agent safeties on the practice roster. We can almost be sure that at least one of them will be on the roster next year and that we will add another one through FA / draft. I believe both of those guys were cover safeties as well so they are not like younger versions of CC Brown
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 4:48 PM EST up reply actions
yup.
I’m fairly certain that the problem really wasn’t lack of number of safeties (tho..maybe one more could be used)…but quality of safeties.
They have plenty of roster spots even with 7WR on the team. One’s gone..so there’s one safety
They’re gonna be rid of CC Brown…there’s another.
Its up to JR to get good quality here.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:53 PM EST up reply actions
Free we went in the season with 3 saftey's
thats lack of depth any way you slice it, we should of went in with at least 4. That was a mistake and a lot of us on this site knew before they even played a regular season game they were gambling and if either starter got injured it was going to be an issue and if KP misses any time it’s really going to hurt.
I agree quality of them was an issue but we were stuck with CC for longer than we should have been because it took Rouse time to get up to speed and Ross was injured so he was unable to contribute. If there had been some more depth we would have been in better shape. (Not great mind you, but better)
3 or 4...
I’m pretty sure the idea was that Terrel Thomas was the 4th safety, which made sense cuz Aaron Ross and C.Web were the starting corners.
So they did have 4….
Its just Aaron Ross injury killed one, cuz TT had to be a full CB starter. And of course KP.
I’ve said it before, but I remember JR saying that he didn’t think safety was a big priority.
He’s gotta change that idea. Of course the D-Line was a big culprit of most of the problems…but the safeties blowing coverage inside the RZ wasn’t the DL’s fault.
Yes…4 is what they need. But 4 real safeties. KP and MJ should be the backups….they should try and find 2 new starters, and Aaron Ross or even TT should be the 5th in the mix.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
At least the Giants should look at it that way.
They can’t go in and expect KP to be 100%. He may never be the same again.
Get a starting caliber S. IF KP beats him out…that’s just good depth.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 12, 2010 7:11 AM EST up reply actions
+1000
Do not trade Ham. Trading Ham would be a mistake.
I really don't want to have to trade any of them....
but if someone is gonna be odd man out why keep them?
I’m a huge Barden guy but if he’s gonna be inactive or riding the pine what is the use?
Same w/ Manningham (If let’s say Barden does surpass him)
It would be easy to say, bring them all back but let’s be honest, Manningham and Barden are not special teams guys….so the giants will either have to use 4 WR or put someone on the back burner.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Teams generally keep
5-6 receivers, especially if the guys who get less playing time are good special teamers. You need good depth in case of injuries, so I think Ed is right. Let Moss go and keep the rest. Hagan and Hixon are good on special teams. But If Smith or Nicks get hurt, you want Manningham around. I do agree that they need to work Barden into the scheme next year.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Jan 11, 2010 1:03 PM EST up reply actions
I'm 100% aware of this....
but why have so much depth in one area???? not only do we have depth, but we have a lot of depth.
but you look at the S position and where’s the depth, hell where’s the starters? Where’s the depth at LB? Full Back? we got a revolving door at back up TE. we have problems on the Oline. Problems at DT.
it would be one thing if we’re a 12-4 team, but we’re an 8-8 team looking to address multiple areas.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
the offseason just started ...
all the WRs minus Moss is not bad by any means… the deadline for final rosters are in September. It gives JR some time to straighten things out… Yes I hear you, disappointing year…but the next year is not coming that quickly… give it some time.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
point taken...
but if there are no UFA and only Restricted I really don’t see much happening via FA. so that leaves the draft. If we can sure up all these holes via the draft than fine, bring ’em back.
but if not, i think Trades should be considered.
JR already acknowledged the fact that it’s going to be a slow FA off season and actually said that the team will probably do more in the way of “trades” than they have in years past. On top of that he came right out and said that they probably have too many WR’s on this team.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I'm sure...
JR is a hard at work, even though we are not hearing anything right now…he’s got a full plate… just a new DC is a lot. Having a lot of WRs is actually the exact opposite of last year’s thought & it’s a pretty good problem to have. Less of a concern at WR. We’ll def. cut Moss, so that’ll give the team one more free spot to try someone out to make the team. :-)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
the depth was kinda there on defense
if you look at the ratio’s of starters to backups at all the individual postions its about 1:1 with some that can play other places, by running 3 WRs a lot on the field that means we need 3 backups simply put, besides barden might be the next great thing and ya gotta give him at least another year to take a step in that direction before you cut ties same with manningham
by LT's Will Power on Jan 11, 2010 1:39 PM EST up reply actions
with exception to Safety....
and that’s a big exception.
I"m not saying make a trade and grab a backup QB. I’m saying make a trade and address an area of weakness, like Safety.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
The plus one was meant for
FB’s posting saying he wouldn’t trade Smith, Nicks, Ham or Barden. I would only trade Hix under special circumstances as part of a package demanded by another team to surrender a top notch D player.
Barden
I think Barden will supplant Manningham on the depth chart. Super mario makes too many mistakes with his routes and not having in bounds presence.
Route Running
can be learned. It’s mostly about discipline. He’s very talented and can be explosive. I’ll be happy with further improvement in2010.
Manningham
I understand the frustration with Manningham but that guy can get separation and do something with the ball after the catch. If we’re not going to have a dominate WR like Plaxico, Marshall…etc. The we need a guy that can run to the end zone like Breston and Doucet was diong for AZ yesterday.
Manningham made some great moves for extra yards and as much as I like SS, I look forward to someone gettting some YAC.
the only reason they should dip into a WR draft...
is cuz well…this crop of WR is extremely deep.
If someone like say…Arrelious Benn for some unexplained reason falls to the 3rd round…why not?
They can dump Hixon…he’s good…is a decent WR and KR, but overall, I don’t think he’s all that quick.
Benn is an elite athlete who should be a top 10 pick in this draft, but will get knocked cuz he played with quite possibly the worst QB in all of college football, Juice Williams.
Benn isn’t the only one…but again, kinda like I feel on every position, don’t completely ignore anything, cuz there’s too many needs right now.
The defense sucks…of course…BUT A ROOKIE’S NOT GONNA HELP IT MUCH IN 2010!!
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Sorry Free
Don’t wanna see another wideout buried on the Inactive list….too many other areas to address, this one we know is at least stable.
in order to replace Hixon..nothing more then that.
Hixon’s good..but he’s not a burner.
If someone like Benn’s falling, and he’s BPA (and they’ve already cut bait with Hixon)…they should.
KR/PR is IMO a GIGANTIC need too…could really use some field position…be nice right? At least someone’s who’s a threat (and I know Hixon had a return..but I’m talking about someone who returns a punt when the coverage bottles him up….
Position shouldn’t pigeon hole getting one.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
WR .....draft
I think that we can’t pass up a solid WR if they’re there but we have to focus on the needs. I’d really like to see the Giants move up this time in the draft to get that top Safety or LB. Too many times we fall back and I think as long as it’s feasible we should move up.
its definitely not feasable...
unless they do something like trade Osi for picks..
they only have their 7 picks..and they need em all. No sense giving up anything.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:27 PM EST up reply actions
If it's feasible
If we can move up 3-4 slots to get a solid Safety or LB and throw in a 3rd round pick then I do it. If, someone wants a 2nd and 3rd then I would skip.
they need that 3rd rounder....
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 11:23 PM EST up reply actions
don't draft a WR
if an elite WR is in our laps trade the pick down if possible
by LT's Will Power on Jan 11, 2010 6:09 PM EST up reply actions
DYING to see more of Barden!
Cannot for the life of me understand why a team with as many issues inside the opponent’s 20 as we have doesn’t at least trot him out there a couple times. Even as a decoy.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Can't play special teams apparently
and on a coughlin team he wants his back-ups to be able to contribute on special teams.
EXCITED!
This without question is the best group of receivers the Giants have since I’m been a fan in 35+ years.
Moss is done. I’d be surprised if he’s still with the Giants next season. Like many, I’m very intrigued by Barden.
As a Michigan football fan who watches every game
I think Manningham has more pure ability than both Smith and Nicks. He’s faster and shiftier than both. His inexplicable problems with the sideline notwithstanding, he can run great routes. At Michigan, he had big numbers against Florida, Ohio St., Wisconsin, Penn. St., and USC – big programs. In fact, Michigan is the only team to beat Urban Meyer and the Gators in a bowl game and Manningham played a huge role in that game. I saw him make amazing catches over taller DBs on a weekly basis and he straight up embarrassed the Florida secondary on the big stage.
The problem, as I mentioned numerous times in the off season on another site, is his concentration. The guy is a floater. If he is hot, he is virtually unstoppable. If he’s out of it, he’ll drop the easiest catch. The lack of steady concentration leads to inconsistency and when you’re relied upon to make plays, you can’t be inconsistent. This past season was like a rookie season for him since he missed training camp and didn’t get much game action in his first year. Another full training camp and off season will do wonders for him. Also, having competition at the position will definitely help light a fire under him.
For all you people bashing him for the drops, just know that the Giants were #1 in the NFL in drops in 2007 and #3 in drops in 2008 without Manningham. I remember quite a few bad drops by Nicks and Smith last year too. So if you think he’s the only one who’s had problems catching the ball, you haven’t been paying attention.
I'm not bashing anyone....
especially for drops….it’s been an issue here for a long time.
but why stock pile players at a position that we’re clearly fine at? It’s like having 3 stud RB’s….someone is going to get the short end of the stick….in a major way.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Earth, Wind and Fire worked to perfection!
It’s not the idea of stockpiling players, but how they’re implemented into the system, plus your safeguarding against injuries!
I guess....
if you see AB as RB who should only get 67 carriers….
I think AB emerged as a legit threat. Why give a guy like that so little carries?
Yeah Earth, Wind, and Fire worked….and what did we do? we turned around and let D. Ward walk….and trust me, we had the money to keep him. We just didn’t need him.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I can see andiamo's side
unless we’re ready to change into the 4 receiver run n’ gun sets of the old Oilers, someone will get the short end of the stick. And depending on Barden’s transisition his second year, it could be The Man(he is not a ham).
Besides, Earth and Fire worked. I can remember many of us who were clamoring for more wind last year. Again, another reason to consider Andiamo’s position.
exactly...
i know a lot of other teams woudl envy our situation, and I’m not suggesting this because i do’nt like Mario or Ramses, in fact i like them both.
And quite honestly, it will kill me to watch another season w/ Barden being inactive or riding the pine. just like it will kill me if Barden does pass Manningham on the depth chart and than Manningham goes Inactive or rides the pine. It’s like why have these guys and not play them?
unfortunately in the NFL you have to give to get, and no one in their right mind is going to trade us a player or pick unless they’re getting something in return.
if we didn’ t have so many holes I would say, just keep ’em….but we do.
and let’s be honest, no one is worried about our Offense….it was our strength this year. If we do decide to move a WR will we really notice it? I bet our new DC would be over joyed if we could do that and find him a Safety that is at least competent.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Hams a decent kick returner
So they would get rid of Hixon and use Ham to give the other WRs breathers
Did he return kicks in college?
If he can be a rerurn guy, then getting rid of Hix might make sense. I don’t know if Ham is significantlt faster, but he’s certainly more elusive. He also looks frail out there, but so does Hix.
I'd rather get some 6th or 7th rounder
or an undrafted player..someone expendable..to return kicks. Expendable speed. Someone trying to be the next Dante Hall..someone like that.
Manningham was essentially a rookie. His overall body of work in 2009 was very good for a rookie.
HAM is too important of a piece to be a KR.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:06 PM EST up reply actions
Disagree
I would hate to lose Ham on a PR but the Eagles put their star WR back there and Dallas uses Felix Jones. We can’t let PR be a something where we get 5 yards and we’re happy.
PR is fine
KR is not.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:56 PM EST up reply actions
What's the difference?..none
KRs are much easier than PRs..Trust me
Well guys, if you look across the league
How many teams employ a featured RB? Off the top of my head, 3. Jaguars w/Drew, Vikings w/Peterson and Titans w/Johnson. Other than that, most teams now have timeshares in the backfield. This doesn’t even include the value of the third back in case of injuries to the other two. Thats 96 RB’s in the NFL on 53-man rosters. It’s bound to get diluted somewhere?!
Now with the WR’s, more teams are using more multiple WR sets, and assuming every team has atleast 5 on their roster, thats 150! Again, the talent is going to get diluted somewhere?
Look at the Cardinals. Their WR’s, Fitzy, Boldin, Breaston and Doucet! Hmm, Boldin didn’t play, but Doucet did and he did every bit and more to help them win. Thats what good depth can do.
But, back to the Giants. My final thought would be along the lines of, well, it’s not broke, so don’t touch it. Thats one less thing we have to worry about for years to come. If we tinker with it now, we may have to fix it again, and that may be sooner rather than later.
good point....
but we can’t look across the league to find OUR answer.
this is the Giants and TC is still head coach. I highly doubt TC is going to wake up tomorrow and say “you know what, why don’t we go 4 wide more often”….
he’s never really been a coach to use or carry more than 5 WR’s. I guess we can look at ARZ and say “yeah, they do it” but we’re not Arizona.
and until we’ve address the Safety position I really don’t see how the giants can justify this many WR’s. That’s just me though.
like you said if it’s not broke don’t fix it….but I know for a fact Manningham or Barden isn’t what’s keeping this Offense going….and I know for a fact that the Safety position is huge area of concern on our horrific defense.
so to that i say….if it’s broken….FIX IT! (and our Defense is clearly broken)
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I know our S's are broke
Just like some other defensive issues, but i think even in an uncapped year, the Giants could find some value with some stop-gap players for the short term, while addressing those areas in the draft too.
Hey....
if we can pull that off than I’m all for it. Like i said, i don’t want to start trading away talent but at the same time i know we need some “talent” on the other side of the ball.
the FA market worries me, but if we can get a RFA w/out giving up a lot than i’d also consider that option.
but JR did himself say that they’re will be more Trades this year, and he said FA may be quiet. He did also say that we have too many WR’s.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
If there is no CBA in place
there will be a lot of trades becasue all of the guys that were sceduled to be FA’s . .. Demico Ryans types, will be restricted FA’s. Trades will be the only way to address needs with young talent. Also teams are not going to give out contracts to guys nearing the end of their rookie contracts until their is a new CBA. Why have a guy under a big contract if their is no football in 2011 and owners are not making money?
We have way too many WR’s especailly if Barden develops.
not all that great....
but what did Ward do down in Tampa Bay???
This year is a different set of circumstances….and i don’t think DWard would have helped out our Running Game all that much. Heck Jacobs had a better year than Dward
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
The Bucs sucked
Thier Oline was as bad as ours and they could stack the box until the end of the season when freeman took over
exactly....
so i don’t know why Ward leaving would be an issue? our running game was not affected because we no longer had “wind”.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
andiamo
I’m the only guy thats with and when I say look to trade Manningham it’s not becasue I think he stinks or drops to many balls but rather the opposite, he’s good and would command value. I think Nicks will be better and Smitty is the man, Hagan and Hixon are good solid backups. You can’t trade a Sinorice Moss and expect to get something in return.
We have so many holes at other postions especailly D it’s not even funny. What’s the point of having 4 or 5 really good WR’s when you don’t have one quality LB or Saftey and below average DT’s.
Lets say the Giants traded Manningham for a young MLB with a ton of upside would you not feel better about this team in 2010? I’m not saying trade for a bag of balls or even draft picks but for a quality young player at a position of need.
I don’t know, maybe it’s cause Gillbrith is the OC this team is looking more and more like a soft run-n-shoot passing team rather than a tough run first play D team that has won championships in the past. What good is 4 WR’s when you don’t have any quality players at S or LB?
I like the idea,
but I don’t think Ham alone could get the kind of value you’re looking for. Ham and someone else might.
we could definitely have use 3 RB's this year...
why risk having 2 WR like Smith and Nicks…and only a guy who has one catch with Barden. Maybe Hixon is still there…but you don’t go and get rid of these guys..
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:35 PM EST up reply actions
and what's crazy is that we hardly used our 3rd RB.
and that’s when Jacobs and Bradshaw were both hurting!!!!
it goes back to my point about the Giants being stuck in their ways. TC is not going to change his philosophy all of a sudden and start playing a 4 WR rotation. it’s not gonna happen.
if they go on carrying 6 WR’s someone is gonna get neglected….
it’s not like we’re trading multiple WR’s….just 1. We’re not going to go into the year w/ just Smith and Nicks….
but it’s been well documented that the giants will and have entered the season w/ 3 safeties….
trading a WR could be a good way of ensuring that one of those Safeties can at least play in the NFL.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
they uh....did play 4 WR.
Hixon had 15 catches, probably would be more if he didn’t get hurt. Probably would’ve been more then that if someone else got hurt.
They have 7 WR on the roster right now, don’t they? Get rid of Moss. There’s another safety. Get rid of Wilkensen..there’s another.
They have enough room on the roster to get one or 2 more safeties. Even one of the CB’s should be more of a CB/FS tweener if possible.
HAM/Nicks and Smith are just too good a trio to break up. Everyone’s pipe dream about Barden…could be just a dream.
Who knows what exactly he’ll be? He may be the best of the bunch.
For 2010..there’s no reason to go and trade any of these top 4 WR.
Maybe in 2011…if Barden and Nicks seem like the real deal and one really overtakes HAM.
Definitely not for this year, I don’t wanna take any of Eli’s weapons away…especially as they get better.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions
Hixon - 15 receptions
Barden – 1 rec
Hagan – 8 rec
Moss – 1 rec
Smith – 107 rec
NIcks – 47 rec
Manningham – 57 rec
we use 3 WR’s….
getting rid of Moss and Wilkinson are fine but what are we gonna do, pick some equal value scrub Safety? We’re certainly not going to able to trade one of these bums. And JR said FA gonna be quiet….so where are these safeties going to come from???
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
JR can say FA is gonna be quiet all he wants...
he’ll sign a FA S if its there.
Moss and Wilkenson are FA’s..they’re gone.
CC Brown, Rouse, Dockery…all should be gone (maybe Rouse comes back).
WIlkenson, Clark..gone. Maybe Kehl…maybe even Boley?
Robbins gone. Bernard, cut.
Whimper, Koets…gone.
Ware…gone. Hixon maybe gone.
There’s a few more, but I think you get the point. THat’s more then 7 spots for all the draft picks.
JR’s going into FA for who’s there….he has no choice.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:11 PM EST up reply actions
we can release each and every last one of these scrubs....
but that doesn’t mean anything FB….
Yeah, we can go out and get a FA….and than what? give up a draft pick because chances are said FA is a RFA.
We can also go out and sign as many guys as possible….but how many Safeties out there looking for a job can come in and start at SS?
It’s not a matter of roster space at this point….it’s a matter of finding Quality players on Defense….and than being able to bring them aboard. I don’t see JR giving up draft picks to acquire restricted free agents.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Andi, would it make you feel better to think of it this way
Besides KP, any S’s we bring in have got to be better than CC, Rouse and Johnson? I know it may seem a bit sarcastic, but thats the way i think. One step at a time up the quality ladder!
nope....
because we’ll be here this time next year looking for the same position players all over again.
what’s the point of signing someone’s left overs? we already tried that….not gonna work. (unless we get very very lucky)
i doubt they’re are many teams out there saying to themselves, “well looks like the giants are going to release Wilkinson and MOss….I can’t wait to get my hands on those guys”.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
not all the safeties out there are gonna be RFA's.
Darren Sharper’s not gonna be a RFA..why not him? JR’s not giving up any draft picks for a RFA…I think you can take that to the bank.
I just don’t understand why they have to purge one part of the roster to make another better?
Especially when there’s going to be a whole lot of others not back. There’s plenty of roster space.
JR’s gotta do work here. I’ve seen guys like Bernard Pollard get completely passed over by JR..only to have Pro Bowl caliber seasons once they’re on their new squads.
They need to keep the young talent they have. Go get more..but not at the expense of what’s here.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:57 PM EST up reply actions
good point...
and I agree, JR got his work cut out for him.
I’m not saying to purge the WR position….just keep that option open.
I think we can all agree that the giants like to carry 5 WRs.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I'm sure eli and Sharper would love being in the same locker room
“Hey, aren’t you that guy my team picked off 4 times?”
“Yeah, and you returned them to the house. You big prick”
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
supposedly..
Sharper’s attended the Manning camp numerous times and they are pretty good friends.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
they should be.
Eli is usually the reason why Sharper goes to the Pro Bowl…lol
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Seriously on Sharper
If that guy is a FA then can we pick him up or make sure we don’t play against him next year. That is painful.
Sharper would also be good not just for his game play, but for veteran leadership...
…something I didn’t think we’d be missing with the departure of Madison and RW, but this intangible matters as well.
by Step up and make big plays on Jan 11, 2010 6:18 PM EST up reply actions
Agree with Free
You have to have a solid 3rd and 4th optino at WR because Nicks has proven that he can break easily. You have to have the 3rd option to be really strong. Makes you onder what would happen if that TE from OK fell to 15
so depth is obviously good thing right....
than why do we ignore the depth at S? and when i say ignore, i mean blatantly ignore.
what about the depth at LB or Oline?
We have 5 legitimate WR’s and something very promising in Barden.
we have 1 NFL caliber Safety…..and we carried 9 LB’s that don’t see to do much of anything….and i would really like to find a backup G not named Kevin Boothe….and another Tackle.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I still don't understand what WR has to do with safety...
the Giants have good depth at WR. Good.
They don’t have to address it.
Safety, RB, OL, DT, LB…all need to be addressed.
WR should probably be left alone.
If there’s anything the Giants should be ignoring….its the WR position. And that’s completely ignoring it by leaving the 6 on the squad..on the squad.
That is, unless they can find a KR/PR and a gunner to replace Hixon and/or Hagen.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 6:00 PM EST up reply actions
because i think we can agree we need one.
or like you said a RB, OL, DT, LB.
I’d only make the trade given we can get a player in return….or a high draft pick.
I’m not looking to just trade guys away for nothing.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
We didn't ignore it, JR did lol
But, we can’t steal from Peter so we can give it to Paul? How many decades has it took the Giants to assemble this kind of WR talent all at once? Their whole existence, since 1925 to be exact.
Talented WRs and NY Giants.....
Those words don’t usually go together but they do now. The Corps was pretty good this year but next year with another year of experience I look for them to be explosive and dangerous. I don’t think WR has ever been a strength of the Giants, but it is now.
Confidence
I think Manninghams’ biggest issue is his relationship with Eli. I can tell Eli will start to ignore a WR if he feels he’lld drop the ball or not run the right route. A la, Shockey.
IMO
Manningham is more explosive than Nicks. I don’t agree Ham has more ability. Nicks will be a stud.
Just a thought about those wanting to trade WR's (certain ones)
I find it hard to believe that prior to this season and how some said we had to trade for a WR, and then this season unfolds with our WR’s being the strength, now we may have to trade a WR? In what world would we build up a young solid core of WR’s so soon, then trade them away so quickly? I would say, not a very good one!
Like alot of people, i’m in favor of our core four. Smith, Nicks, Ham and Barden. Moss is gone and if one has to go, i’m sure it will be either Hixon or Hagan. But, for the future, the core four should remain entact. The passing game is evolving and mulitple WR’s sets are more of the norm, so why shouldn’t we carry the quality? I think some teams would be very envious of our situation!
when the giants actually have 6 actice WR's for a game
and actually use a 4 man WR rotation….than i’ll be on board. But we don’t.
it’s a good thing teams envy our situation b/c they are most likely light at WR…which mean they’ll be willing to give something up to get one. i.e. a draft pick, a safety, etc.
hey if JR can whip this team into shape via draft and FA than i’ll take it, but we may have to “give” in order to “get”.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Actually, i think they predominantly activated 5?
Smith, Nicks, Ham, Hixon and Hagan?
Barden wasn’t activated because he’s just not ready yet and plus of his ST’s non-skills. Moss, he sucks!
But really, the Giants ran alot of 3-WR sets and Hixon would be the occassional 4th. Plus, Hixon is a returner, so thats logical. Hagan only saw time as a WR later in games and because of his ST’s contributions. In all honesty, the reason why i think Hixon or Hagan maybe the odd man out is that you necessarily don’t have to have ST play come strictly from a WR. How about a DB that could return, be a gunner and contribute on the D?
that's exactly the point i was trying to make....
giants only activated 5. They’re not a 6 WR team.
especially considering Smith, Nicks, Manningham, and Barden will not and can not play ST.
it sucks giving up on a young player but again, if he’s not going to make an impact why put him on the back burner when we could try to find another position player?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Remember early in the season
When Nicks and Hixon were injured?
We had Moss on the field.
Do we really want that again?
no....
but at that time MOss was actually getting a shot at that time. we already know he won’t be back, so most likely we’ll see Hagan step up.
so even if two guys go down we’ll still have a back up option.
regardless, are we really going to keep one of these guys “just in case of an injury”
I suppose we can do nothing…keep everything the same….try to help the Defense out via the draft…and proceed to give up another 500 points.
Or we can make a small adjustment on Offense and go out and try to find a player that will come in and contribute right away on Defense.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Also to back you up again Andiamo
remember we are a running team. A big part of our problems this year was we did not run the ball effectively as we have. Throw in the fact that we played from behind a lot we ended up passing which helped the passing stats but it’s not like our plan week in week out was to get up big by throwing the ball like SD, NO, or ARZ. Our O failed and fell back on passing the ball.
If the Giants get back to running the ball, which should be priorty #1 for KG, then depth at the WR position will not be as much of a concern.
Yeah....
i hear where everyone is coming from and all….but we got to evaluate the entire team here.
FA is going to be quiet. JR already said they’re will be more trades this year than in years past.
I think some people just think we can go out and sign whoever we want but it’s not going to be like that. No CBA is gonna be reached. they’re will be no UFA. It’s gonna be trades or draft and that’s it.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Quiet FA
I agree. After last season’s debacle the Giants won’t go crazy. Nor should they. FA don’t do well in the NFL. They sign the big contract then lose their fire.
No big name FA's...
If I guess Canty was one.
But in the same light as Bernard, Boley..even Robbins Pierce and Burress…they weren’t huge FA contracts, reasonable ones is all.
There’s too many holes to rely on draft and to trade the talent here for anything.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions
but FB....
if there is no CBA we could be looking at Restricted Free Agents w/ few Unrestricted FA.
that’s why JR said FA will be slow, not because he got burned by Bernard and Brown….it’s because JR could pay the price for going after a RFA.
so that’s why we can’t just sit back and say, “we’ll get our guys via FA”.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
JR can say that all he wants...
also…teams don’t have to tender their RFA’s…JR doesn’t know who’s doing that.
Trade the dead weight that has value. That’s it.
I don’t see why HAM has to be traded even if he seems expendable right now.
The young talent that has a future should not be traded.
The Giants know what HAM is…they really don’t know who they’re getting if they trade him.
Just leave the top 4 WR alone…they should have nothing to do with anything else.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions
Also this "trade manningham" talk
is coming because we all think Barden is going to be a star. Which for all we know might not happen ever. What if he gets hurt or just isn’t as good as we thought? Then we will be stuck with Hagan or Hixon as a 3rd WR. Thats a bad match up for us.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST up reply actions
exactly...
“trade Manningham” or trade any of the WR is a 2011 idea.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:17 PM EST up reply actions
why would it be a 2011 idea
but not a 2010 idea?
if it makes NO sense to do it this year than why next year?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
cuz the only reason it would ever make sense
is if Barden proves he’s a NFL player.
We’ll know by next year..we don’t now.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:36 PM EST up reply actions
Got it....
I just don’t think he’ll be given the chance to do so. because i don’t think he’ll ever be the ST player Hagan and Hixon are. That being said I can see a repeat of 2009….w/ Barden being inactive because he’ll never be a force on ST.
I hope i’m wrong though….
I just don’t see the giants having 6 active WR’s w/ only 2 contributing on ST.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Trade Ham
He’s going into his 3rd season and you want to trade the guy? that doesn’t seem to make any sense. We’ve invested too much to send him anywhere and the most we’ll get is a 6th round pick. Wake up.
most we'll get is a 6th round pick?
I disagree.
but yeah, if that were the case than it wouldn’t make sense.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
the problem was the lack of depth elsewhere...
if they had a ST player who was also a S or a CB, who was doing what Hagen was doing (like TT in 2008), then they could activate Barden.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:55 PM EST up reply actions
That what i said somewhere around here
Find a needed DB that also has ST skills. He sure an hell wouldn’t be on the inactive list!
exactly...
no depth anywhere else.
I’d love it if we can swing it where we can have 6 active WR’s….w/ 2 playing ST. I would love that scenario.
but it’s an “IF”
if we can address the defense via Draft and FA than great, sign me up.
I just don’t want our defense to suffer because we couldn’t get all the pieces we wanted via draft and FA.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
we were stuck w/ Hixon as our #1 WR two years ago....
having him as the 3rd option wouldn’t be terrible.
I wasn’t singling out Mannigham…in fact in included Barden in the list as well.
Sadly i don’t want to see one of these guys fall flat next year. Than we’ll really have too many WR’s. We’ll also probably not be able to move any of them b/c who will want an unproductive WR?
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
"teams don’t have to tender their RFA’s"
Free I know thats true but if a guy is a RFA does’nt that mean the team that signs him has to give something up?
I’m asking because I really don’t know but I think if a guy is a RFA teams rarley make plays for them becasue of some sort of penalty they have to pay so thats why the team that owns the rights to the RFA can keep them for cheaper hence a quite FA season.
Thats why deals with guys like Cofield and other guys comming off their rookie contracts have not gotten done yet. Their is a real disadvantage to being a RFA and but I’m not sure what it is.
I guess my point is even if teams don’t have to tender their RFA’s that does’nt mean they’ll be as easily available as if they were UFA.
In all honesty prior to the 2009 season
it looked liked our D-line was stacked
LB’s were a concern but adding Boley drafting Sintim along with guys like Goff and Kehl looked like their might be some potential.
Saftey was an area of concern depth wise and I wanted to draft one instead of Barden or Beckup but KP looked like a stud at saftey so if he stayed healthy we would be OK
O-line was the best in the NFL, Beaty just added depth and future potential
we had a two headed monster at RB, with BJ & AB. D-Ware also looked like another possible nice find by JR.
while at WR we lost the franchises most productive one and maybe the most talented one and were left with one slot WR who had never started a game as our best wide out with a bunch of rookies and unproven young guys.
Based on that WR needed to be adressed going into 09.
Now look where we are. Two of our DT’s are will be gone and the rest are average at best.
Our LB’s stink, Goff & Kehl look like profesional special teamers, Boley’s average, Sintim is an unkown.
Our stud Saftey who we could not afford to get hurt has an arthritic knee and may never be the same, while the other 3 will be in the UFL next year, but we drafted Barden and Beckum. So we have 3 pass cathcing TE’s but not one quality saftey.
O-line got old and is starting to break down
BJ is all but washed up and AB though tough but injury prone and a #2 back.
And we have 3 very good wide outs. 2 quality backups in Hagan and Hixon and a guy with a whole hell of potential in Barden. Throw in Boss at TE and Beckum with some potential.
Considering no CBA will drasticly limit the amount of quality FA’s on the market how do you suggest this team fills some of those holes on the defensive side of the ball with quality expierenced yet young players without trading a quality player? Draft of course but I can’t imagine even if we draft all D everyone of those guys will have a big imact in 2010. I know what your saying and I love Ham, but we have some major holes that need to be adresssed and going into the 2010 season with a team thats built for shootouts will not make 2010 a good year.
The last time I checked GhostDini
Playing against Florida-Penn St etc… is completely different than playing against Dallas-Philly etc.. so there is no comparison what so ever about what Ham did then and what he is doing now.
The one thing you don’t want from your WR’s is inconsistency and that is what you said his problem is so… I’m by no means saying he should go but he needs to step up and concentrate better if he wants to be the next great WR!
OK. Let's look at the stats.
I mentioned his play in college to show that he has a history of doing well against good competition. However, since you don’t give credence to college, let’s check his stats this season as an NFL WR.
Out of all 2nd year WRs this season, Manningham was 3rd in receptions, 2nd in receiving yards, 3rd in AVG per reception (minimum 25 rec.), 2nd in TDs, 2nd in receptions over 20 yards, 2nd in yards per game, and 1st in catches for first downs (minimum 25 rec.). He did all that in just 10 starts and in just 14 games overall. He also did that while being hampered by a shoulder injury.
Unless the player is DeSean Jackson, Philly’s #1 WR, there is no comparison between Manningham’s season and any other 2nd year WR’s season in the entire league.
Comparison
While I agree there’s no comparison between playing Florida vs Dallas we can compare stats with other plays. I arbitrarily chose Ocho. In Chad’s rookie year he played 12 games and had 28 receptions. In his sophomore season he had 69 receptions for 1166 yards.
By comparison after playing in limited games in 2008 with 4 receptions MM definitely had a very successful 2009 season. 57 catches in 14 games
Ocho had Houshmandzadeh. TJ only had 41 receptions in 2002. MM played along Steve Smith, who had 107 receptions.
MANNINGHAM HAS THE IQ OF A MUDD PUDDLE!
HES A YAC FUMBLE WAITING 2 HAPPEN. COACHES KNOW THIS.STILL WAITING 2 C THIS GUY MAKE A CATCH WITH 2 FEET IN BOUNDS. NO DOUBT 3 MAN SET WILL BE SMITH, NICKS, BARDEN. WITCH WILL BE THE BEST IN FOOTBALL. I SAY THIS KNOWING ELI NO LONGER HAS 2 WORRY ABOUT THOSE WHIPPING WINDS IN ARE NEW HOME.
Lay off the ALL CAPS man
no need to make your post hard to read.
107 Catches is impressive
But did Smith have any YAC?
That I would say is the one weakness.
As far as HAM goes – he makes some good plays, but he fumbles way too much. He makes spectacular catches, and blows the easy ones. In short – I am hoping that Barden can replace him as number 3 – and that he can make more of a contribution on special teams
Hey if the guys moving the chains..I don't care if he does the QB slide afterwards..He has and will
Pick his opportunities after the catch, but first and ten?…I’ll take that everytime..“Third and Smith”
I like Ham but...
He makes spectacular catches, and blows the easy ones.
remind anyone of Earnest Gray just a little?
If you look at the positions smith are put into
there’s really no room for YAC.
When there was, Smith was able to get it.
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
Perception is overtaking reality
Manningham had one fumble this season. It was at a really bad time but he still had just one. Nicks had two.
thank you...
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
+ 1
i dunno maybe I just like the colors
by Mr.Williams on Jan 11, 2010 4:16 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
NJ Giant with a clan reference
hopefully next season we can make the theme song for the Giants be “Triumph”!
Smith is a crumpler
but he gets open and catches it.
I don’t particularly like the way Nicks or Manningham carry the ball once they catch it. But just like Smith, they get open. At least ball handling is something that can be worked with and corrected.
Moss can head for the door, never to return. Maybe he can hook up with Tim Carter or Ron Dixon. So much for potential.
Hagan does give us good play on special teams, but I just don’t like Hixon. Don’t like him as a receiver or as a returner, and I don’t trust him at all. Wouldn’t hurt my feelings to send him packing.
Barden looks as if he can be a beast, I’d be willing to leave him here for at least another season. He could take Moss’ place on the ‘potential’ list in the interim.
Good review, Ed.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I don't really have a problem with SMith hitting the turf after he catches a pass. 2 reasons mostly..
1) He ALWAYS runs his route right to or right after the first down marker. Nothing pisses coaches, players, fans, commentators, bloggers etc. off more than a receiver running a 7 yard curl on 3rd and 8. As long as he secures the first down I’m happy.
2) He’s almost always catching the ball over the middle or in a soft spot in a zone. That means as soon as the ball is thrown you usually have a CB or FS and OLB, MLB or both bearing down on him full speed ready to obliterate his very existence. I’d rather he be able to catch and secure the ball and live to see another day rather than try and do too much and get knocked the fugg out and have to sit the rest of the game out or fumble the ball fighting for an extra yard.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Jan 11, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions
Let it be clear that I don't have a problem with him hitting the turf either.
Like I said he gets open and catches it where he’s supposed to.
We didn't even have a chance for the "perfect season", but we did have the perfect ending.
I don't have a problem either,
but it would be nice if he could run after the catch, like Welker. I think they’re about the same height, but Welker is bigger, can take the hits better. Welker was a return guy in cillege as well. I believe Smitty has been instructed to crumple. After that injury in his first year I believe Eli and the coaching staff don’t want to expose him to too much abuse.
one of the best wideout duos in history were both crumplers(not Alge)
they were Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne. It helped them both(Reggie still) have lasting careers. Crumple on the other steve!
don't forget Torry Holt...
even Isaac Bruce.
Pretty select company if your a crumpler.
I think HAM needs to crumple too.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 12, 2010 8:15 AM EST up reply actions
No
The Man led the NFL in YAC avg. him and nicks can spin and juke all they want, leave the crumpling to SS, and keep the happy balance as is.
It sure would have helped
if he had crumpled on that catch and fumble in the Carolina game. That fumble took to rest of the air out of the sails for the Gmen.
He can crump
all he wants. I’d rather have a healthy crumpler than an injured bruiser.
Stevvone SMith
is more Torry Holt then Steve Smith #89.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:29 PM EST up reply actions
You got it wrong
- Steve Smith
- Stevonne Latrall Smith
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I was refering to the YAC styles...
Holt dove into the ground at the first sign of a tackler…#89 Steve Smith breaks his arm to get into the EZ.
How come China can't vote David Lee for All-Star?
by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions
I meant the names
It was supposed to be their numbers, not that weird numbering
You know, #89 Stevonne Latrall Smith, and #12 Steve Smith (can’t find his middle name)
Stupid computer formatting
Never assume skill at bouncing a ball makes you smarter than the guy who built the court.
When there's a WILL there's a WAY
I agree entirely on Ed's analysis here..We have a mind-boggling amount of talent on that group..
I also find it interesting Ed, that you have picked receivers as the first position analysis..I guess it pays to start out with the easiest one first. You doubt doubt are “warming-up”..lol
Warming up!
Yep. I am sort of waiting to do the defense last because who the coordinator is likely plays into the analysis.
by Ed Valentine on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
Well, when you get to the defense and o-line Ed..We'll need a far far larger slice of Server space..
Or BBVs site will crash and burn..this of course being based on the banter you have created here with the unit that is not broke ! haha !!…I can just see it..Companies won’t be able to run their logistics system, Payroll systems will crash left and right, the Power grid for the entire East coast will suffer a black-out for days, kids will be crying, MASS hysteria !!
i cant believe
they threw one pass to Ramses all year! where was his 6’6" frame in the RZ, when our RZ O was among the worst in football?
Hindsight
1. The red zone woes probably added to the lack of trust using Barden.
2. After starting 5-0 then losing the next 4 the second half of the season most games were ‘playoff’ type of games. TC doesn’t have much faith in rookies. With everything that went wrong this season he probably didn’t want to trust a raw rookie in a crucial situation.
media perception clouding minds....
they weren’t all that much better with Plaxico Burress. And he was a polished WR…
Barden may help eventually…but its not so easy as this one’s 6"6.
If that was true…Kevin Boss would have double the # of TD’s.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 3:31 PM EST up reply actions
The key to the red zone
is the ability to run the ball. Mostly short yardage power runs. This team has had trouble with the obvious running downs 3rd and 1 or 2, 4th and 1 or 2 for years. Which has translated to problems in the red zone. As FB states this is not a new problem.
i like your ratings of this group but...
good overall on who to keep, dump, etc, but i wouldn’t have them as #5 draft priority. close, but i would go #7
1) Linebacker
2) Secondary
3) Offensive Line
4) Defensive Line
5) Running Back
6)Kicker/Punter
7) Quarterback
8) Wide Receiver
by brodeur hearts avery on Jan 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST reply actions
I will give you some thoughts on each position, and at the end I will give you thoughts on who to keep, who to dump and a draft/free agency priority. In terms of priority, 1 will be highest and 5 will be lowest.
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions
should....
7 and 8 be on the list.
Not necessarily in the draft but #6 needs a higher priority. We need an upgrade at both kicker positions.
agree..those don't even need be considered in the draft.
IMO, the top 3 need to be RB, S and LB. And in no order whatsoever.
DT and OL are 4th and 5th..and maybe DT earlier if they are sold on someone and he’s falling.
But if JR is sold on CJ Spiller being the best RB in the draft, being the next CJ (Chris Johnson) but there’s a LB on the board that’s is behind him and they have him rated as just a solid starter…then why the hell would he or should he pass on Spiller?
The only reason a RB, LB or S should be lower on the list of needs..is cuz they signed on in FA or drafted one already.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST up reply actions
Not worried about RB
In the NFL they’re a dime a dozen. Except for the studs, Peterson, CJ, the success of running backs are predicated on the O-Line. Give me a great OL then put anyone back there. The most important thing for a RB is hold on to the rock. Don’t fumble.
CJ was a projected 2nd rounder till he had a great combine. He went 24th. Many great running backs have come in the later rounds. Bradshaw was the 250th pick.
Bradshaw's a complimentary back
So is Jacobs.
…they really don’t complement each other either cuz they are so injury prone.
Andre Brown’s never gonna be the same..and we don’t know what he is.
Danny Ware already should have his bags packed.
the Giants OL is not what it once was…they can’t make anyone (Re: Ward and even AB and Jacobs) into the top rushing attack in the game.
The Jets may have a good OL…but Thomas Jones is a very good back..and Shonn Greene was a great college back too.
They need talent here….if they ignore it…the running game probably will be worse in 2010.
I’m not expecting that Jake, AB and Brown are what the were or supposed to be. If they are…so be it.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 11, 2010 5:04 PM EST up reply actions
What Ed said
was raring priority 1-5 with 5 being the least prioruty.
by BigBlueCrew_jfl on Jan 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
He's not
a receiver. He’s strictly a return specialist. He has 36 receptions in 5 seasons. Where is he going to fit in our roster.
We want the best players at each and every position but that’s not reality.
I'd take Cribbs....
any day of the week. The guy is a threat every time he touches the ball. It would be awesome to see him field kickoffs for the Gmen and who knows, maybe we get crazy and throw in a wildcat package.
we had Moss
wasting a spot…why not just have a KR/PR specialist, who knows he may end up in the Pro Bowl and maybe win us 1 game…that’ll more than make up for it…when has Moss won us a game :)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Draft Priority
1. Linebacker
2. Dbacks
3. O Line
4. Kickers
1. LB
2. DT
3. S
4. Oline
5. Punter that does kickoffs
by mclaren_is_the_best on Jan 11, 2010 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
To sum up what I've read here ...
we have great talent/depth (not to mention youth) at WR.
I’d be shocked if we drafted a WR with any of the top 4 picks (if you think you see a sleeper after that JR, fine).
LB, S & OL depth are crucial (I agree with those that think we have enough DL talent, even minus Robbins and Bernard, just need to be healthy and well coached).
You don’t tend to get much of a draft pick trading from a young, but developing oversupply (think Ryan Grant for a #7 in 2007).
Can’t wait until Ed gets to LB and S write-ups – that’s where the real drama is.
agree - good comments
Smith 1 Proven slot receiver 6 OK KR, OK receiver
Nicks -2 Big upside, a playmaker
HAM – 3 Hard to know yet but he could be a playmeker & a star. Find out before you move him.
Barden – 4 Find out what you have in 2010. BIG upside.
Hagen – 5 Good Specials, average receiver
Hixon
Moss – gone
Young core looks promising. Good depth. No urgent action needed.
Great post!
Nicks, Manningham, and Smith all look promising. We didn’t see much of Barden, but I think he should be able to pass at least Hixon if not Manningham next year.
"We're only going to score 17 points?"
well, quitting time....
guys, thanks for making this one of the better Mondays i’ve had in a while.
FB if i keep this up your gonna have some competition come next year when ED tallies the comments!!! LOL.
be safe everyone.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
It's all in a days work Andi
We’re all opinionated on stances which lead to concerns. Your not alone on this. It is exhaustive to the point of one’s outlook to another’s with debate, that may lead to another concern for others?
But personally, i know what your saying! My guess at the moment would be patience, trust and hope to god we never have to see a Sheridan-like D again! lol
lol, i hear you man, but yeah, i like everyone's opinion on this site.
it’s good to hear the pro and the cons….and its’ good to hear them from fellow giant fans.
It’s all in good fun.
ideally i don’t want to have to trade anyone…but realistically i think the team needs help. And my concern is that we won’t be able to address it all via draft/FA…but if we can, than sign me up and I take back every word I said!!!
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I like your idea...of trading
and you are right the biggest bargaining chip right now would be our WRs…but I don’t remember when the last time a Giants trade was anything to jump up about…? plus, I really would not want to trade any of our WRs, unless it’s Hixon for (I don’t know-someone) that can help our D out. And that’s a stretch, b/c then we’ll be in a hunt for another KR/PR. And I think Hixon is slightly above average and could be better if he just focuses on that and doesn’t have thoughts of grandeur as a starting WR (4th or 5th – would be where I would like to see him)…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
well...that's also to be considered
like i said, i’m not into trading guys just for chuckles….if i can get a young stud SS, LB, DT than I take a long hard look at it. But if it’s not there its’ not there, and no harm done….at least that way at the end of the season (especially if your defense tanks) you can look back at say, I did all i could.
If the CBA gets signed tomorrow than this is also a non issue…i’d just say go to FA.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
When I think of Moss I think of the '07 redskins game at the end of the year...
..The one we needed to win to lock up a wildcard spot, the spot we locked up the next week with the win over buffalo before facing the undefeated Pats. On a crucial 3rd down moss caught the pass, had the yardage and the ran backwards attempting to make a play instead of keeping the 1st. Even Al Michaels couldnt believe it
I don't need birthdays. I buy myself everything I need and because of my drinking its often a surprise
Well..
You guys are officially scaring me..Talking about using the only group we have that clearly is not broke and in fact will be stronger next season as food and fodder to fix other more pressing problems (via trades, etc..) Did you all ever squeeze a balloon???..Where does the air go?..It just moves away from the portion of the balloon that is perfectly inflated and bolsters a portion of the balloon that needs air..Now when you take a look at that balloon you just squeezed.. the portion you squeezed the air from now needs air..Leave the receiving group be (lose Moss).. it is fine and will be an even stronger force next season…We need to inject air directly into the parts of the balloon that require air, without popping the Godamn thing…
I think it all depends...
on one piece of information that we don’t have and never will have unless a trade is made. What would one of our wide receivers bring? I understand andiamo’s position and it makes sense IF you get a player of equal quality that you KNOW you have a starting position for immediately as opposed to having a raincoat to wear under your umbrella, while standing under an awning (i.e. being six deep in wide receivers). But I also think that the wide receiver area is one that isn’t broke, and given that receivers tend to have a longer NFL shelf-life than many other positions (see running back), if the core is left alone the Giants should be set for a couple of years at least to concentrate on the other positions in drafting and FA signings. So to me, I see merit in both FreeBradshaw’s points and andiamo’s – it’s just a matter of what we could get for whom, and that one Mr. Reese will have the answer to, and unfortunately not us.
Leave Whats already good alone.
I have sat here and read all the postings concerning the wide receiving corp for the Giants. I say we leave the hands people on the Offense alone as it was the only real bright spot on the Giants this season. The changes on Offense this off-season should be on the “O” line and possibly fullback. You can even argue that the Giants may need to look at possibly trading Jacobs and getting back some value be it draft picks or a quality defensive back(s).
Of course I agree with most if not all the posters that Moss needs to go but the rest should be left alone and lets see how it all washes out in camp next year.
Wow, how long did it take you? lol
Seriously, as you might know, i’m one of the proponents to keep all the WR’s entact for various reasons. But if it really comes down to JR trading for personnel, and in fact he doesn’t touch the WR’s, who will it be? Some might not think so, but trading Jacobs for someone, not pick(s), may not be so far fetched in my opinion! The big boy does carry a 6mil/year deal and if he loses any of his abilities due to injuries and the surgery, he may be as good as done. Cut your losses and get what you can!
agree...
I’d rather trade Jacobs then any of the WR.
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by FreeBradshaw on Jan 12, 2010 5:54 PM EST up reply actions
This is what Giants hopefully will do
They trade hixon for a draftpick whitch they will use to draft a CB or S who will add some depth in the the secondary and who can return kicks(KR)
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