'Kudos & Wet Willies:' Final pre-season edition
OK, before I get to the good stuff I am giving myself a 'kudos.' Getting to the end of last night's Giants-Patriots exhibition was torture, but I managed. Without even falling asleep once. A miracle! Anyway, here is your final pre-season 'Kudos & Wet Willies.'
Kudos to ...
- Lawrence Tynes: Might be the only time other than games after which he kicks a game-winner that a kicker will get first 'kudos.' Tynes kicked a 46-yard field goal and then made a tackle on special teams. Even more impressive for a wimpy little kicker, he threw the returner out of bounds and got himself a 15-yard penalty. Tom Coughlin won't agree, and neither would I in a regular-season game. But, it was pre-season and I enjoyed Tynes' macho moment.
- Receivers: What was that about the Giants not having receivers who could make plays? There were a lot of impressive performances last night. Oh, and I said receivers because I am including tight end Kevin Boss among the impressive players. Let's look at some of the top performances.
- Sinorice Moss -- Two catches for 35 yards and two touchdowns, one from Eli Manning and one from David Carr. For good measure, Moss added a 31-yard kickoff return. If this indeed was a fight to the finish between Moss and Derek Hagan, Moss wins by TKO. Hagan made a nice special teams tackle, but had just one catch for 8 yards and dropped a potential touchdown pass right on the goal line.
- Domenik Hixon made just one catch, but it was a beauty. Hixon made a leaping catch while fighting off a defender for a 38-yard gain.
- Hakeem Nicks had just one catch, but it went for 64 yards and a score. Nicks. also well covered, made a beautiful adjustment to the ball, snagged it and ran away from the defense.
- Kevin Boss made two nice receptions on the opening scoring drive. I hope the Giants remember to make him a key part of the passing attack beginning Sept. 13 against the Redskins.
- Mario Manningham had four catches for 74 yards. He ran good routes, and made the plays on everything thrown in his direction. Can't do much better than that.
- William Beatty: The rookie left tackle started in place of David Diehl, played most of the way and held up well. I don't think his name was called all night, and that is a good thing.
- Allen Patrick: I still don't think he has a shot at anything other than the practice squad, but he ran hard and totaled 50 yards on just 8 carries.
- Antonio Pierce: For just getting on the field. Hooray!
- Tutan Reyes: The veteran offensive lineman slid over to center when Adam Koets sprained an ankle, and did the job. I feel much better about the backup center position after watching that.
- Travonti Johnson: One bad penalty, but eight tackles and played pretty well overall. I'm still not sold on him, but he has a good shot to be a backup safety.
- David Carr: Went 6-for-6 for 153 yards and two touchdowns. Looked composed. David Philips, wherever you are, I know you are smiling.
Wet Willies to ...
- DeAndre Wright: Got smoked by veteran Greg Ellis for a long pass that set up a New England touchdown late in the first half. I shouldn't worry about it, though. Wright will be lucky to get a practice squad invite.
- Andre Woodson: If there was any doubt about Woodson's fate on the 53-man roster, he sealed it last night. I don't see any chance he makes the team. He threw a first-half Pick Six after locking in on his receiver, and ended up a woeful 6-for-19 for 98 yards. I can't give Rhett Bomar 'kudos,' since he was just 2-for-7 with a goal line interception in a paltry five minutes of work. Bomar, though, had three passes (two to Shaun Bodiford and one to Ramses Barden) that probably should have been completed and he ran twice for 27 yards, including a 16-yard scramble for a first down. He at least looked like a professional quarterback, seemed comfortable and showed he can make the throws.
- Kenny Ingram: Made one tackle and whiffed at least twice. Before the game I thought he had a shot at the practice squad. Now, I'm not so sure.
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Manningham was impressvie yesterday.
actually the whole WR core was impressive. I don’t know if it was cuz of the fact teh Pats secondary was their 2nd stringers/suck, but its really not like these guys were getting it done in the previous games.
These guys get open. ELi is accurate and hits them. Its the whole catching the ball thing that needed work and they caught the ball yesterday.
And Boss looked FAST on that long catch he had. Id really have no problem with Boss leading the team in receiving this year. The guy is huge and if he really is that fast (again, 2nd teamers were out there…) then the guy just looks like the Giants version of Witten out there.
All in all it was a sloppy game. I don’t think there were many Pats’ starters out there at any one point.
But it was a nice way to end the preseason, even in a loss (I think BJGE just rushed for another TD….)
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 7:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Manningham
Had a good game, except for a bad decision on not fielding a punt that rolled inside the 5.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Coughlin had an aneurysm. That was funny
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 4, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Definitely...
Right before commercial you could read Coughlin’s lips as he said, “Take him out!”
Why are they running sweeps with Jacobs?! He’s a between the tackles runner. North and South not East and West!
by edzilla on Sep 4, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s got enough speed. He’s proven he can go inside and outside.
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 4, 2009 10:30 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Jacobs has his moments of success running outside...
But I feel like the majority of the time he gets hung up behind the lead block and then the defense hits him low and he falls down for a loss or no gain.
I wish I had stats to back this up. But I feel like I yell this sentiment at the TV every game.
by edzilla on Sep 4, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
Jacobs runs that stretch play to perfection. That’s about as outside a handoff can get.
The pitches? No, I don’t like them, really to anyone.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup.
Is he really the punt returner? I’ve seen damn near everyone back there fielding punts and kicks.
I guess as long as its not Aaron Ross (who probably would be the best guy to do it, tho the Sehorn-ability of it makes it a 0% chance of happening).
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hixon, Manningham, Moss
If Moss makes the team. I think they will mix it up. Maybe even Danny Ware at some point.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Moss and Ware
If Moss makes the team then he should be utilized as a special teams returner bc he won’t start as WR.
Ware should be a returner as well bc he runs hard and wants to get touches too.
If Hixon and Manningham are going to be getting plenty of time at WR there is no need to risk injury to them by making them returners. Moss and Ware have plenty of speed to get the job done.
by 732jerseyP on Sep 4, 2009 8:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't take much from this game
- the Giants WRs can burn the hell out of a practice squad
- Jacobs and Bradshaw couldn’t do jack with the A-team O-line against a backup defense. wtf?
- didn’t pay much attention at all to the 2nd half, but Andre Woodson is not an NFL QB by any means and I’ll bet never will be
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 4, 2009 7:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did
The passing game looked great and yes they should of but they were perfect so that says enough to me… 9-9 158.3 qb rating total for the QBs that will make this team(Eli, Carr)
The Patriots 2nd team got smoked by our 1st/2nd team mixed together, most of the Pats 2nd team will be bench players not PRACTICE squad…
I don’t think you have anything to worry about in the running game my friend.. Special our guys they get better has the game goes on and BJ wears down the defense… Thats how we play… You should be happy our WRs actually caught the ball and caught TDs too…
by gobs56 on Sep 4, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the Pats didn't play their starters
But Nicks and Hixon made very difficult catches, Moss did what he needed to do and they utilized Boss. It was good stuff.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say he is on Witten's level
but Boss is proving to be a good TE.
by brisulph on Sep 4, 2009 7:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im just saying he could be the Giants version
as in a complete TE who is a large white man and can become the focal point of an offense.
Again, as good? Not right now. But he’s been working on his real only weakness, his speed and quickness. The way he’s improved his blocking over the years, is there really any reason to doubt Bossman now?(other than if he’s underused in the O)
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's always proven to be a good TE...
but the giants have not incorporated him enough…
when I saw him and Beckum lined up in the slot I was jumping up and down…finally Gilbride get its! Get these guys off the Oline and create some space for them! Lets Johnson and Mathews block…draw up some plays for #89!!!
by andiamo708 on Sep 4, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree…Boss is good but they don’t use him enough. I expect that to change this year.
by JRSu1 on Sep 4, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Might as well jump then...
cuz you’ll never see that formation again(hopefully Im wrong, but this IS Gilbride…)
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
c'mon man....
part of me knows damn well that your right…but we can always hope for the best.
by andiamo708 on Sep 4, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
NYG keep 2 QBs
and only 3 RBs to enable them to keep more depth on OL and DL and maybe LB.
Other than that – who knows.
The 53 man roster will be interesting
by MSP Giant on Sep 4, 2009 7:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
53-man
I will have my thoughts on that later today.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we will keep 2 QB but I wish it was 3
Woodson will be put back on the practice squad but I would hate to see Bomar be put there too. Bomer is simply a better quaterback then Woodson. He has blue chip talent…if it wasn’t for accepting money during college he would have never ended up at Sam Houston Sate.
Even though Bomar went to 2 for 7 he threw some nice balls and his release is lightening fast. I’d dare to say its quicker then Eli and Carr’s as well.
If we put Bomar on the practice squad he will get snatched up real quick. Then when Carr leaves at the end of this season we have Woodson as our backup???? HORRENDOUS!!!!
by 732jerseyP on Sep 4, 2009 8:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree on Bomar, if
the Giants staff feels strongly that he is good enough to back up Eli for the 2010 season when Car is gone then, yeah – you keep three QBs cuz he would get claimed off of waivers.
I am just not there on Bomar. Think he is replace-able.
by MSP Giant on Sep 4, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If someone offered
a 4th or 5th round pick for Moss would you take it?
Moss showed enough last night to make the roster which means if a team had their eye on him they will now have to trade for him.
Personally I would do the deal but what do others think?
by G Fan in England on Sep 4, 2009 7:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think they're keeping
everybody (6) but Hagan and Tyree
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 4, 2009 7:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just keep him
He is cheap enough and looked good last night, with our lack of proven WRs The more we have the better chance we got of finding ones to step up. I’d rather give Moss that roster spot then Hagan/Tyree…
by gobs56 on Sep 4, 2009 7:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do that?
You never know who’s getting injured this year, so you don’t know if he’s needed.
Also, he can be a real weapon. Gilbride and the O need to use the damn guy.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why
Is he going to become a starter over Nicks, Barden, Smith and Manningham? I don’t think so in which case take the pick and use it next year to move up to draft an OL.
Boss and Beckum played in the slot and both made a big play so unless we have a rash of injuries Moss would not be missed.
by G Fan in England on Sep 4, 2009 7:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicks and Barden are still 5 and 6 on the depth chart.
Manningham Id think put a stranglehold on the #3 or maybe even #2 (or at least earned time on the outside).
Moss is still the #4 guy, even with Nicks there. He provides a different looks and has more speed than anyone there.
I also think that he should be the kick returner or maybe the punt returner (and not just cuz I have him there in Madden….)
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 4, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicks is NOT 5 on the depth chart
Nicks is slowly pushing his way to the top of the depth chart. His production this preseason has not been matched by any other Giants WR. If anything he is either 3 or 4. He SHOULD be higher…but Smith and Hixon are locked in at 1 and 2 simply (and only) bc of their production LAST SEASON.
Mark my words, if Nicks continues to produce he WILL be our number 1, followed by Manningham as our number 2 at the end of the season.
Nicks and Manningham have the most “physical” talent on this WR squad. If they can continue to make smart plays and use this “talent” no one can be ranked higher then them on the depth chart.
by 732jerseyP on Sep 4, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would love it
if Nicks & Manningham play well enough to rocket up the depth charts like that, but let’s not demote Steve Smith just yet. He’s a very good receiver and is the only one on the roster (not including Boss) that has actually produced in big moments. It was only a couple of years ago that he was Eli’s 3rd down guy on the route to a championship. The guy has loads of talent as well.
by potroast on Sep 4, 2009 8:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not just the Super Bowl run..
Last year too. The guy knows exactly where the first down marker is and how to get separation to make a play. He’s #2 period. I’m not sold on Manningham, his football IQ isn’t near Smith’s.
by edzilla on Sep 4, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicks is NOT 5 on the depth chart... I agree
First and foremost I live outside the NY area so don’t get TV coverage thanks to Mr Valentine for nice summary.
Nicks is clearly making himself our “top 3” his strength seems to be his ability to “fight” for the ball. His big hands and strenghth has proven valuable. Last game his TD had to come back to the ball get around the defender…remember? nice catch. Last night same thing. With Eli as quaterback I can see him needing to make those catches (not always on the bullseye). I think Smith will stay mostly in slot with a real deep threat ability w/ great hands thereby making him more dangerous (I love Smith…the new Toomer!) Manningham has been so impressive “break out year!” and Hixon is the #4.
SOOO…this year will be the year of the multiple receivers and with Eli’s maturity and a great O line (vital as Eli will sometimes need to go to option 3) we will have weeks were Nicks is top, next week Manninham, next Smith. Will keep opposing D coordinators going crazy! (Call me optimistic :) )
by celticfool on Sep 4, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My thoughts exactly
I agree with you Celticfool.
Maybe not this year, but at some point Nicks will be the main guy, Manningham the speedster and Smith the slot guy. It wil be hard to cover all three.
When you look at recent good teams that was the formay they had/have. The Cowboys had Irvin, Harper and K Martin. The Pats have Moss, Welker and an other.
I am not saying our three are in that league, but they will be good enough for the Giants.
by G Fan in England on Sep 4, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is Barden not getting time on the field?
The announcers of last night’s game alluded to this but I wasnt sure if this was the only reason but they were saying that Barden doesn’t run his routes as cleanly as the other WR’s. He doesn’t get out of his routes quick enough, etc.
They said he still needs to work on his footwork and quickness, etc.
Has anybody else read this or heard about this? If this is the case I guess I can understand why he is not getting much playing time.
Looks like we won’t be seeing him that much this year unless the Giants are in the “green” zone bc his route running can’t be trusted…..YET
by 732jerseyP on Sep 4, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why no WILLIE for CC BROWN?
This guy is getting beat up and down the field like no tomorrow, committing game-changing stupid 15 yard penalties. Give me Travonti Johnson any day and cut this lazy veteran.
by TNYFBG on Sep 4, 2009 9:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Brown
He was a mixed bag last night. Penalty for helmet to helmet on the QB, couple of missed tackles. But, a couple of nice plays, too, and a HUGE hit on a wide receiver. I’m not comfortable with the guy at all, but he wasn’t horrible last night.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cut CC
and go with rookies with potential. The man should not be on the field. Save the million dollars.
by MSP Giant on Sep 4, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
saftey depth?
Not comfortable with having no backup saftey. he was traded to be a backup, let him be one.
by catsmeat84 on Sep 4, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a sneaking suspicion....
that whatever wideouts we cut may wind up playing in the Meadowlands after all this season, judging from what i’ve seen from our gangreenest cousins. there 3 deep at wideout, and that’s pushing it.
by wilddre22 on Sep 4, 2009 9:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't care what defense they were playing...
I feel A LOT more comfortable with all of our wide receivers after last night. There is so much talent there, and they will only get better as a unit as the season goes on. It seems they made it a point not to beat themselves with drops, I was impressed.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 4, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After Woodson ended his career ...
I think they told Bomar to “go out there and stink it up a bit” so that we can sneak him onto the practice squad.
by Shofner85 on Sep 4, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The WR's are really the reason for Carr's sucess...
he threw quite a few bad balls and they made great adjustments. He didnt’ deserve a “wet willie” but all praise has to go the wideouts for those catches.
by andiamo708 on Sep 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll give T. Johnson a pass on the penalty
because I thought he played very well…all over the field last night.
by andiamo708 on Sep 4, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Ed...no Kudos for Gilbride???
what about all those 3 steps drops and lining beckum and boss in the slot!!! Even the QB roll out w/ Carr…on the TD to moss. KG did a good job last night.
by andiamo708 on Sep 4, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Gilbride
I didn’t allow people to rip him earlier in the pre-season. I can’t go praising him now. Besides, I didn’t pay much attention to the play-calling, to be honest. That must mean I thought it was fine.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 4, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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