What is the deal with Brandon Jacobs?
Are the New York Giants hiding something when it comes to running back Brandon Jacobs? The big fella is averaging just 3.3 yards per carry through three games this season after averaging 4.9 yards in each of the past two seasons.
There have been lots of questions about Jacobs this week, especially after FOX commentator Tony Siragusa Sunday repeatedly said he didn't think Jacobs was running downhill enough -- meaning, not hard enough.
Here is an exchange between coach Tom Coughlin and reporters about Jacobs today.
Q: Have you noticed anything different in Jacobs this year, why he hasn’t been able to get going the way he would like to be going right now?
A: Not that I would talk about in here, no.
That answer -- "not that I would talk about" -- leads me to think there is something the Giants don't want to say. And that more questions need to be asked.
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I agree...
He doesn’t look anything like the Jacobs of last year. The better RB from what I’ve seen so far clearly, right now, is Bradshaw.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
Something tells me...
We’ll be seeing a lot more of Gartrell in the coming weeks.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 3:11 PM EDT reply actions
Fantasy Footballer here...
Real quick: Any news on Bradshaw’s sprained ankle yet???
As far as Jacobs goes: He’s too big, he’s going to break down quicker than most. We may be seeing evidence of this already.
Aching body + questionable desire due to franchise tag = 3.9YPC
franchise tag???
didnt they sign him to a multiyear deal???? I dont know what coughlin was trying to point out but now it has me a bit worried… I was thinking he isnt playing too physical so he can keep himself healthy throughout the season…
B-shaw
Is a tough RB and runs bigger than his size. Sometimes I think he’s a more effective blocker as well. There’s where he broke off his route and put on a nice seal block.
That said I’d still like Jacobs to set the tone.
am i the only one
who thinks this is a non issue?!?!
How come after the first two weeks….the problem was our Oline…now all of a sudden it’s jacobs?!?!
What happens next week when jacobs goes off on KC and Bradshaw doesn’t???
are we going to start pointing the finger at AB?
Here’s an idea…stop running Jacobs outside the tackles…start spreading the field and pounding the ball up the middle.
How come when haynesworth was talking smack we were all like “yeah whatever…Jacobs cant’ get enough of a head start to plow Haynesworth” but now we expect him to not only run through defensive tackles but also his entire Oline who’s getting pushed back into the backfield and not opening up holes.
to suggest Jacobs can’t run through arm tackles…well that’s just foolish. Ask Brian Urlacher if he thinks Jacobs is running soft….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
agrees....
because Bradshaw has been more effective the first three games does not mean there is something wrong with BJ.
Please remember that the medias job is to FIND a story and on our 3-0 football team its that our rb is avg just 3.3 yards a carry after the first 3 games. WOW big story there guys…you would think they would talk to all the guys who have stepped up to help the team with all these injuries, but thats not sexy and interesting i guess.
by True Blue All Day on Sep 30, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We are fickle fans
Our team is 3 and 0 and it seems like we just look for problems. Tynes, Gilbride, now Jacobs. Guys, everything is cool. Just because Kobe goes a couple of games without a dunk doesn’t mean he can’t jump anymore. Give it some time. Bjake will give us some of those “trucks” that we all know and love.
Jacobs was running
like a man possessed in Pre season….
but i guess now he’s worried about staying healthy???
I don’t believe it…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I know right?!
I almost have this half-crazed belief that our team, especially offensively, is just setting up coaches for later on in the season. I think they’re showing on game film one thing, but when it comes to playing those late-season games, what we’ll show on the field will be completely diff. At least that’s what I’m hoping.
There’s got to be a reason we keep sending Jacobs to the edge and Bradshaw up the gut.
I don't know what the deal is
All I’m saying is a ‘non-answer answer’ like the one Coughlin gave today is one that can only lead to speculation. Which, of course, is our job!!
Right on, Ed.
What won’t Coughlin broadcast publicly? Does BJ have an undisclosed injury? Is he going all Franco Harris? Is there a personal/family/psychological problem? Are we reading too much into TC’s opaque statement.
I said in a different post that I can’t blame a guy like Harris taking care to avoid contact to extend his career. As a human being, same goes for BJ. At the same time, as a fanatical fan, I’d like to see him run with abandon as he always has.
BTW, some BBVers have said that BJ is only following instructions from the coaching to be more patient, less reckless, protect wear and tear on his body, etc. Where does this info come from? Is it pure speculation/conjecture/wish fulfullment? I haven’t seen such statements in media reports.
Attaboy, George
Got you all fired up today. That’s nice to see!
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions
you do make a good point...
ed as well…
Coughlin is being rather cryptic w/ his answered…
but he did say that he didn’t not think “tiptoeing” was an accurate depiction of what Jacobs was doing…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Coughlin is cryptic about everything especially injuries
I think that all the talk about Jacobs not running hard made Coughlin feel defensive about it and he gave a defensive answer.
I hear you...
and I think it’s a “non issue” but looking at that quote…well it makes you wonder.
I still think it’s nothing but i guess we’ll see.
I still think KC is shaking in their boots right now…this is the last man they want headed into KC with a chip on his shoulder.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
You just know they are pissed off.
Coughlin, Jacobs and the O-line are pissed. Siragusa made the “tip-toeing” comments on Brandon Tierney’s radio show. Jacobs was supposed to go on the show right after but he never came on. Jacobs is seething and everyone around him is too.
yes sir!
KC is like “why…why did Siragusa open his big fat mouth!”…
lol
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
siragusa is a reporter and has a birdseye view , sometimes as close as 50 feet to the action
tony s was reporting the truth. he has no axe and is not like the other jaded x players. plus he was a d-lineman who know s this stuff. there was one play in the 3td quarter that said it all, it was a a 3td down play on the 8 yard line . right guard pulled and tackle went to clear out mlb and eli was in place with the ball and jacobs showed up 2 counts late and a rushing linebacker #52 knocked him off his feet. if jacobs would have been in proper place line had cleared the way for him to walk in. jacobs need s to line up closer in red zone, if defense is in gap 8 type he needs to hit hole faster.
off the subject for a sec, hey Kevin, did you forget what a bootleg was or maybe even a counter reverse or a plain counter, or even an option . it aint all jacobs fault even tho siragusa is 100% right, he aint going full blast,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Agreed re Goose and BJ.
I have no axe to grind with Goose. He calls them as he sees them and he’s usually right. I think some BBVers are hyper sensitive about any criticism of the Giants.
I also hear some who keep telling other BBVers about how long they’ve been Giants fans and by implication connecting it to a greater insight into the organization or football, or, indeed, life generally. Well. I went to my first Giants game in 1938 and have been a fan ever since. That doesn’t mean I have special knowledge (except perhaps pure history, which others haven’t been around long enough to know— except perhaps scholars who’ve spent time reading it) unknown to callow BBVers who haven’t had the (mis? good?) fortune to have been around as long as I. In fact, there are quite a few (including our editors) who know far more about the technical aspects of today’s game than I ever will.
I just watched the 1st and 3rd quarters
Jacobs:
1st carry of the game: 5 yard gain (in a crowd)
2nd: 4 yard gain (in heavy heavy traffic…i think he stepped on at least 2 guys)
3rd: 3 yard gain (on a 3rd and 1…laid on lick on the dude who tackled him)
4th: 2 yard gain (tried to run outside the right tackle)
5th: 11 yard gain (ran through two guys and got plowed in the back)
6th: 6 yard TD run (no one touched him…ran up the middle)
7th: 4 yard gain
8th: No gain (meet by 3 guys at the line)
Siraguse – “He’s not running down hill…he’s tiptoeing to the line of scrimmage”
It’s funny, because after Jacob’s first two carries Siragusa mumbled that jacobs was “shuffling his feet in the backfield”…i find that funny b/c jacobs ran very hard and finished well on those plays.
the minute he was stopped TS jumped on him.
I don’t have an axe to grind w/ Goose b/c on some plays Jacobs was indecisive but the blocking up front was flat out bad. Here’s the problem…from what I just saw they are very unsuccessful running outside the tackles. When they pull the line guys are missing blocks…Darcy Johnson, Boothe, Hedgecock all missed their assignments. The 3rd quarter is a great example of that…they hardly ran inside.
Bradshaw was also met in the backfield a bunch of times…some for losses some he was able to turn into something just w/ sheer ability.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
very interesting
Did you look at his other 17? 15? carries
I did.
and while Goose was fairly spot on with most of that assesment, probably 50% of the time Jacobs was running down hill.
You also can’t run “downhill” when the hill has a large mass of fat in front of it, hence the shuffling to find a hole.
Jacobs is fine.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions
I was referring to a carry-by carry analysis like 78s.
(Curiosity is all—it’s interesting but too tedious for my fitful attention.)
There’s no denying opponents continue to prioritize stopping the run (more specifically, BJ). As long as they do, maybe they’ll hold our best RB in check (no such luck with Bradshaw on Sun.) They’ll pay with our passing game. They’re going to have to go to a more normal scheme, just to see if it works, if for no other reason. I think we’re in the cat bird seat. No matter what they try, IMO we have the weapons to beat them.
PS
My hazy recollection is that he was rarely going full blast in the direction of the goal line but rather when he was stringing out the D heading for the sideline, looking for a spot to cut. Well, he doesn’t really cut, does he? It looks more like a lurch, a very fast one. That’s not a criticism. I doubt many guys his size could make such a move and it usually works for him. One thing that bothered me was the tackle from behind on the safety bltz. BJ was going full blast and I was surprised to see the guy catch up to him.
of course...
my point is…Goose jumped the gun a bit…and he never pointed out the positives. when jacobs was softening up that offense in the 1st quarter and chewing up the clock, we didn’t hear anything. We just hear it when he got stopped.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
And a good point it is.
I have heard it said of Jake by many commentators, including Goose (who did say that he himself a plus 300 pounder with a damn good career behind him would not want to face a rampaging Jake coming at him.) My point is that Goose’s reporting was far from unbalanced. He dealtd out positives as well as negatives. As I said in an earlier post, IMO many BBVers are oftentoo sensitve re criticisms of the players or team.
And that I promise is my last word on Siragusa, unless he chooses to retain my services (for a modest fee) to defend him on this site. Up to now, I did it out of sheer good will for another Jersey boy.
In fact, I'm so tired
off spouting off and imagine most are even more tired of reading my spoutings, that I’m going to shut my trap for a few days.
George
we never get tired of your spoutings. Keep ’em coming!
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
on this topic i gotta stand pat...
but i hear what your saying. I for one can take the criticism…usually i’m over critical, but on this one I gotta chalk it up to a lot of nit picking.
well actually I’ll chalk it up to KG not running “inside” enough w/ the big body back…but that’s about it
KC Should be interesting thats for sure…
good chating w/ u blue gonz…you shouldn’t wait a few days to comment…nothing wrong w/ a little back and forth.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Maybe this is good
This might be a good thing.. It seems like we are really banged up right now and have a lot of guys nursing injuries, but the good news is it is only the beginning of the season.. So when the end of the season comes around, when teams are supposed to be playing their “best” football, we will hopefully have all our guys back and healthy for the post-season
Scouting reports out...
Touch Jacobs near the feet or ankles before he gets up to full-speed and he goes down. Still no need to worry. The assemble of role players with a void of “me” guys will have this team flying quietly under the radar all season.
The Giants are not built for fantasy, their thankfully built to crank out wins.
Yes
please explain that to my parents when they are incredulous I never draft Eli manning on my fantasy team.
“Drew Brees?? that guy on the Saints?
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Sep 30, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
I watched the re play...
TB should change their name from the Buccaneers to the ankle biters.
when he got near the line they would just throw themselves at his feet…on at least 1 or 2 runs he was tripping over guys.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I hear ya
He needs to get those knees up in the air. I said before that I think he needs to stay between the tackles, he doesn’t have the burst or agility to beat LBs to the corner. But he could easily get almost 5 yards/carry driving between the tackles.
Is that new?
wouldn’t that have been the report on him last year and before?…i thought that was common practice to go after a guy like jacobs at the ankles/feet.
I've noticed two things with BJ
1) He seems to be a little too hesitant when picking a hole to run through. Is the O-Line not opening holes big enough? Doesn’t seem like it as Bradshizzle has been tearing it up. Is he trying to be too fine and break a big run every time?
2) He seems to be going to the turf A LOT easier now than in previous years. Is he now complacent with his big contract? Trying to avoid injury? I don’t know the answer to that. It used to take a lot more than one guy to bring him down, now he’s being brought down by corners and safeties more often.
3) Of course it probably all boils down to the perceived lack of receiving threats for Eli. Teams have been stacking the box because Mario/Smith/Sinorice/Hix/Nix don’t scare anybody…yet. I’m willing to wait a few more games with Manningham and Steve Smith running wild on secondaries and catching 20 balls before defenses start to wise up and drop a few more guys into coverage opening up running lanes for the big boss.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
Coughlin's Comments
they are truly a testament to the caliber of the organization. Obviously the Giants are one of the best in terms of being classy. The media offered Coughlin a chance to rip Jacobs for running in such a tentative fashion but he chose not to take the bait. To me, its obvious that Coughlin would rather coach than get involved in a war of the words via the media. I don’t think there’s anything physically wrong with Jacobs; I just think that Coughlin knows that for whatever reason he isn’t running the way they’d like and he would rather not say something that quickly becomes a headline and might alienate Jacobs or others.
This is a class organization and TC is the right coach for this team, make no mistake. His unwillingness to comment on it is testament to that.
I didn't take it that way
No as a chance to ‘rip’ Jacobs. I took it more as ‘fishing’ for information about a possible injury. TC’s answer — to me — raised questions. That’s probably not what he was intending to do, but that’s what it did for me.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2009 6:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Of my various answers to the questions raised by TC's statement,
yours is # 1 on my list. As you say, TC is a class act.
Not worried
Sure we would all like to see the big man steamroll opponents but I want him in the line up regardless, if the coaches talked to Jacobs and had him tweek his style to preserve his body would they actually acknowledge it? No of course not, that’s bad strategy.
Since he's running mostly upright anyway
what I would love to see Jacobs do is adopt a running style similar to Roger Craig, formerly of the Cornhuskers and 49ers. Craig ran with his knees up high on each stride, so that anyone trying to take him low usually caught air or a knee in the face. It was wonderfully effective and would do away with any “ankle-biters.”
My thoughts
I agree a little with cassnovawong.
I feel that when you think of the Giants from your average person, you think… Eli, Plax, Jacobs. Now that we are down to just two ‘thought of guys’ Eli and Jacobs, defensive can move focus from 3 people to 2. Could be a partial reason why his carries are down.
Coughlin’s comments, in my opinion, make me think that Jacobs has some personal issues going on that the press are not entitled too?
Thoughts?
I would guess he aggravated his old knee injury
and that TC doesn’t want opposing defenses to know abt it
Good old days
Boy all these injuries have me longing for the days before the internet when I didn’t have instant access to all this information.
Every time I turn on pc I’m reading about another injury and it makes my hurt head.
From what I see...
they must have tried something out with Jacobs in order for him to take less punishment and not wear down.
Maybe that’s it, I dunno.
But I can tell you that if people keep knocking him this week he’s gonna go out and beat the hell out of someone on Sunday afternoon.
What the f$%k is the internet?
FB: "...I dunno."
Exactly. No BBVer does. None of us can state the reason(s) for BJ’s style change as a fact. I’m sure we’ll learn down the line, maybe as soon as the next game. If he and other Giants are steaming as per some reports, then we might see a wild man on Sunday. But never as wild as John Henry Johnson. He once took offense at some piling on or gouging or whatnot
and attacked the opposing team’s bench with the sideline chains. BTW, a friend of mine who grew up in the town where the Steelers trained said that John Henry and Bobby Layne were inseparable. Bobby called him Shadow. I always suspected the Johnson was protecting his QB (off the field Bobby was as crazy as John Henry was on the field.)
It's no secret...
They spoke in the offseason, both Coughlin and BJ about him taking a slightly different approach to the contact, trying to play a full 16 (plus playoffs!), etc. I remember more than a few comments after games 1 & 2 about how the RBs were over anxious and not waiting for the OL to open holes for them, now BJ is too tentative and waiting too long… I just don’t buy it. I bet TC and BJ are laughing themselves silly watching everyone try to dissect their “problems.”
Please keep in mind:
1) The turf was wet, tall man = higher center of gravity = slips easier
2) Why do we want him risking getting hurt blasting someone for 5 extra yards when the opposing O has 30 yards TOTAL going into the 4th Q.? Save it for when you need it.
3) It’s 3 games and in the first 2, opponents were CLEARLY stacking the box to stop the run, both the Cowboys and Skins feature above average NTs as well.
4) Before no one blocked that safety coming off the corner, Jacobs had a full head of steam and a hole and was about to blast into the end zone and then we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
I am definitely concerned by that cryptic answer TC gave... but more importantly
I thought we all agreed that we wouldn’t call our star beastback “BJ”… it just doesn’t give the man the respect he deserves from us. It’s like calling LT “happy ending” or something… it aint right! lol.
but seriously… I don’t think that TC would have answered that way unless there was somethign actually wrong with him. But I have so much faith in this team that I know Bradshaw, Ware and possibly Johnson will fill in well for the destroyer if he has to miss any time.
The one injury I’m actually very worried about is KP. I don’t care what Rosenhaus says, people who are familiar with patello-femoral arthritis will tell you that knee replacement is the only way to effectively cure it and allow the person who has it to move at full speed.
latest science
they are using stem cells to regrow cartilage. As I indicated elsewhere (see my topic) there is even a product on the market to treat osteoarthritis of the knee using stem cells. Here’s hoping…
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions
big picture
Gmen are 3-0 with 2 wins in the division and with injuries to key players that would have hobbled a lesser team. Why? Balance. TC is a maestro.
The only issue I see
With Brandon is that like I said before he has been running too upright, and keeps trying to break his runs to the outside..If he would lower that shoulder he would pulverize defenders..they are going after his legs..that is how he has gotten hurt in the past..He needs to stay low..but I am not going to complain about the 92 yards he gained last week..that is not a bad performance…What is wrong with Ward?? What did he do for Tampa?..He gained what, 4 yards?..He talked smack all week and carries the ball 10 times for 4 yards?..That says alot of negatives on TBs O-line and alot of positives on our defense…I am not worried about Brandon, I don’t think he is hurt and I believe he’ll get back to his usual bruising form, again 92 yards is pretty darn good.
Brandon Jacobs
As long as he’s in the backfield the other team has to honor the run, this keeps their linebackers close to the line of scrimmage and opens up the underneath passing game. I don’t think there is anything to worry about.
I agree with you..
When Brandon is in there it changes the whole opponent defensive scheme..The backers are forced to fight the run vs dropping back into coverage..Then of course we have Bradshaw he can run off tackle make brilliant moves..and for his size deliver a huge hit. He is fun to watch run the football.
caught this at NFL.com
Giants offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride said Jacobs has looked energetic this season.
“If there is an error that is slowing him down, it is because he wants to be perfect,” Gilbride said. “He is trying to make the perfect read, if that is it. If there is anything, that would be it, he is just trying so hard to do everything perfectly. Sometimes you just have to trust your instincts and go out and play. But I certainly don’t see anybody that is tiptoeing.”
So, Gilbride is acknowledging that something’s different. He even sends a little hint to Jacobs that if he’s hesitating because he’s trying to make the perfect read of the defense, it’s better to just get basic and run.
Nothing here to worry about.

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