NFL News & Notes: Dementia study serious stuff
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2009 11:00 AM EDT
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Here are a few stories of interest around the National Football League today.
- The New York Times has the details on a really scary study on dementia in NFL players.
A study commissioned by the National Football League reports that Alzheimer’s disease or similar memory-related diseases appear to have been diagnosed in the league’s former players vastly more often than in the national population — including a rate of 19 times the normal rate for men ages 30 through 49.
"This is a game-changer — the whole debate, the ball’s now in the N.F.L.’s court," said Dr. Julian Bailes, the chairman of the department of neurosurgery at the West Virginia University School of Medicine, and a former team physician for the Pittsburgh Steelers whose research found similar links four years ago. "They always say, ‘We’re going to do our own studies.’ And now they have."
- The great Joe Posnanski says the Cleveland Browns' hiring of Eric Mangini might be the worst NFL coaching hire ever. Worse than the Giants' hiring of Ray Handley? Let's see how Posnanski explains himself.
I recently tweeted this:
"Another one of those fan maybe-overstatement-maybe-not thoughts: Eric Mangini was the worst NFL head coach hire in 25 years."
Now, I'll admit -- that's pure fanbole. I cannot stand what Eric Mangini has done to the Browns, the team of my childhood. I cannot stand the lack of respect he has shown for the team's history, the Mickey Mouse game he plays with quarterbacks, the amazing knack he has for getting his players to not play hard for him or the stupid fines he hands out like he's Principal Vernon from "The Breakfast Club." Don't mess with the bull, young man, you'll get the horns.
But here's the thing: Based on the Twitter responses I've seen ... I'm actually starting to believe that I'm right. I'm actually starting to believe that Mangini really was the worst head coach hire in 25 years. The responses have mostly been to list other coaches who were worse hires than Mangini. But you know what? I don't think any of those hires WERE worse than Mangini.
- The St. Louis Rams are 0-3 and have been outscored 73-24. That has left the folks at SB Nation's Rams' blog, Turf Show Times, already turning up the heat on head coach Steve Spagnuolo, the former Giants' defensive coordinator.
- The community at Big Blue Interactive came up with video evidence that Flozell 'Trip' Adams of Dallas was up to his old tricks again Monday night against Carolina. This guy is a ridiculously dirty player, and he deserves a suspension. [UPDATE: 'Trip' got fined $7,500 for this infraction.]
- 'Shutdown Corner' ranks the league's best quarterbacks through three games. Even more fun to debate, The Fifth Down asks which quarterback is the worst starter in the league?
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Manidiot
I always though this guy had no clue. It seems like years ago that he was annointed Man-genius by the paper but I always though he Forrest Gump’ed himself into a 10-6 record with the Jets in ’06. I always refer to him as Man-idiot. I believe he was recommended to the Browns by fellow retard Herm Edwards which says something in itself.
by Lucky7 on Sep 30, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mangini is an egotistical
Moron..He’s already wrecked another team..Earlier this time..Who would want to buy into his assinine program?..The Browns took yet another huge step backwards hiring that mindless fool..They should send him packing and go after Shanahan .
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if i remember right
that Jets team played one of the worst schedules in league history. the only team .500 or better that they beat was their road win in New England.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I might actually put Peyton ahead of Brees
Peyton’s just unbelievably good – Brees is what Manning was 5 years ago, but Manning’s evolved beyond that. He doesn’t have to throw 45 TD passes a season to win games for his team, and he knows it. Other than that, though, I can’t argue with their rankings. I have Eli as #3 as well, and was really happy to see they agreed. Also happy Brett Favre was not in the top 5, and that my man Joe Flacco was.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ray Handley
Took over a team that went 11-2 and won the Super Bowl, then promptly coached them into 8-8 and 6-10 seasons. After he left the team improved to 11-5 and won a playoff game. That’s pretty solid evidence of bad coaching, but I’m sure the Raiders and Jets could offer a few clunkers from the past 25 years as well.
by rzor on Sep 30, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It should be noted
that Pos was merely talking about bad hires, not necessarily bad coaches. Like, promoting a coordinator from a team that had won two Super Bowls in 5 years isn’t really a bad hire, even though he ended up being a bad coach (especially when you consider who the other coordinator was…)
Mangini, on the other hand, was just fired from a team where EVERYONE hated him, he had a losing record, the Browns had just fired another Belichick defensive disciple, etc. Why hire Mangini? It was just a dumb hire, and it’s going pretty predictably.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correction
They obviously didn’t play 13 games in 1990. The team went 13-3 that season. They were 11-2 when Simms went down.
by rzor on Sep 30, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No Simms was 12-0 went he went down with the heel injury
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They lost
to Philly and San Fran before he went down in Buffalo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1990_New_York_Giants_season
I remember thinking how funny it was when both teams were 10-0 and seemed on a collision course to an undefeated matchup, with each team just needing to beat easy teams before their showdown. Then they somehow both lost to rivals on the same week before their big game, with the 49ers losing to a pathetic Rams team and us to the Eagles.
by rzor on Sep 30, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you sure about that?
Maybe I am getting old but I had Simms 12-0 in 1990 before the injury, then Hostetler took over and they went 1-3..I can’t see the Wikipedia facts/stats that back it up in the link you provided..but if your are right I nobly stand corrected…rzor
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
they started 10-0
then lost two in a row to the Eagles and the Niners, then beat the Vikings before losing to the Bills. Simms got hurt in the Bills game, so I don’t know who you would pin that loss on, but they were 11-2 when Simms got hurt on their way to 11-3. Hostetler then won the last 2 games of the season and all the playoff games.
Source: Pro-Football Reference
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I remember that as clearly as
if it were tomorrow
by blue gonz on Sep 30, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay I stand corrected
I’ll have to schedule a test for Alzhiemers soon..lol
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently my mind
Has erased so many bad seasons over the years that it is starting to erase knowledge and facts about the good ones!!..Time for a “Check-up from the neck-up”!!!
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Defintely can't argue with that QB list.
Eli has put himself in quality company early on this season.
What really pisses me off is watching that Flozell video…somebody needs to take that scumbag out.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes Goodall needs to do something with
this dirty clown..I saw him doing it again..I want to say have a player knock him out, but I really don’t condone that from anybody..Goodall needs to act and act now or some players will take it into their own hands..Adams is unworthy to be on a football field.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only thing this scum has is a right leg
To whack at people..The rest of his anatomy eats..Fat ass
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great point...
Goodell definitely needs to address this because, as you said, we can’t have players taking this into there own hands. Which is the logical next step if he keeps this up with no action from the league.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 12:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes Eli is slowly, calmly moving up the list..
Just like he plays the game..methodical, calm, cool collected and unflustered.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Side note: Increase the injury list by 1
WFAN just reported that Bradshaw is wearing a walking boot because he’s experiencing soreness in his foot/ankle (don’t remember which one they said), but will play on Sunday.
by da cut on Sep 30, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what the intercourse
this excrement is getting goshdarn frustrating
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll never understand the obsession with Belichick's defensive assistants
When it’s obvious from watching ANY game since 2001 that Belichick does most of the coaching/playcalling on that side of the ball.
by catsmeat84 on Sep 30, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Your absolutely right on!
These ex-Patriot assistants are just “parts” to Belichick..He just gets more and moves on, for that matter, look at Spags in St Louis..He is not fairing very well as a head coach..You have to have certain ingredients to be a head coach..You can’t be one dimensional (i.e. Defensive guru, Offensive guru)..You need to be an overall leader on both sides of the ball. All the great head coaches knew/know and direct every aspect of the game and link it all together. They know how to build a solid unit on both sides of the ball.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Let's reserve judgment on Spags for a bit
The talent on that team is horrible. Plus, I seem to remember a certain NE head coach not fairing well at his first stop in Cleveland. That shows, more than anything, that you need to give these guys time (= several seasons).
by da cut on Sep 30, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Spags deserves time to prove he can handle head coaching duties..He needs to broaden his horizon is my point and be able to manage the offensive side as well as the defensive side..Time will tell…So far these Coordinators that have landed head coaching jobs have not faired well..and the Rams talent is there it just needs to be utilized..as long as they don’t use it against us
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my hope with Spags
he bombs out in St. Louis, gets fired, comes back to us (b/c obviously Sheridan is gonna be so good he’ll get a job elsewhere), then when Coughlin retires Spags becomes our head coach and leads us to multiple SB’s.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Sep 30, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is exactly my hope as well.
I miss the lil runt.
by Lucky7 on Sep 30, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with 'da cut' on this one
I’m reserving judgement on spags, he’s young and the talent level in st. louis is pretty low. i’d imagine he’ll get another season at least. No idea why people expect him to perform miracles with the same players as last year.
by catsmeat84 on Sep 30, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Zorn is another example
He’s a QB not a head coach..Phillips is a defense guy..Singletary is decent, but again a defense guy. very smart because of his middle linebacker experience, but still basically defense oriented…I could go on and on..Our guy TC has been around the whole gammit of coaching..He’s eased down quite a bit (mellowed out..I was always waiting for his head to blow up)…He knows how to coach the whole team, not just a part of it.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gartrell may be a keeper
so that the GMen need to carry four backs. Decision vs Andre Brown can come next year. But roster decision will be needed this year – who gets cut? Tell Jacobs to run with abandon and quit trying to avoid injury. I would prefer 12 good games vs 16 where he tap dances.
Still have not seen the W-men play – Whimper and Wilkinson. Any thoughts on why we need to keep either?
If there is a time to get RAMses into the game it is against the Chiefs and Raiders. Agree – he wil play when he is ready but those seem to be more low risk opportunities to get him in and see what he has.
by MSP Giant on Sep 30, 2009 1:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really don't hold it against any back to NOT run with abandon.
Franco Harris always ran out of bounds rather than take a hit. Hey, let the runner decide for himself how much punishment he wants to give/receive (as long as he doesn’t look for an excuse to just fall down.) Earl Campbell, Billy Sims, and that great football/baseball player( whose name escapes me at this awkward senior citizen moment)—all with shortened careers. In fact the only guys who I can think of who never stopped running with abandon and had long careers were John Henry Johnson and Sweetness himself (who didn’t go out iof his way to hit people like Johnson and Campbell.) Jim Brown came from another planet.
by blue gonz on Sep 30, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoa nelly,
Bo Jackson runs for a touchdown! (I loved Keith Jackson announcing any football game, btw.)
by rzor on Sep 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well
As big as Brandon is he is taking more punishment by not hitting holes and staying low..He runs too upright, and is breaking his runs off outside..there are no running lanes there for him..just guys ready to hit him..He did a much better job last week..92 yards is not too shabby..All of his injuries have been leg issues, he needs to lower his shouders and spank that 270 pounds of thrust into tacklers..Bo Jackson is the guy your thinking of..there are alot of runners that pounded it..Those you mentioned and I can go back as far as Tom Matte he was an animal..Larry Czonka..animal..He actually looked like he was running so low he was 6 inches off the ground..There have been many..But they are getting paid to run and not anything else. they need to help move the chains, not worry about getting hurt and bailing out..Brandon needs to get low and smash his 270 lbs into people..they will fear him again..and please Brandon stay low, they are going after your legs!!
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bo Jackson had the same problem in his hip
That our Kenny Phillips has in his knee..Degenerative arthritis..It ended Bo’s baseball and football career, hopefully as years have passed Doctors can help him get back in the game without causing him future lifelong problems.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gartrell does look like a keeper..
He looked good and will hopefully get more game experience the next couple of games..Like I commented earlier Coughlin looks like he is getting our young guys some real gametime experience over this stretch of games we should win..that’ll payoff down the road.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know the Chargers...
Were really hoping he would slip through the cracks and end up on the practice squad.
It’s definitely too early to tell, but I’m smelling diamond in the rough…Ryan Grant style.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can only hope
to replace the one that got away.
by njgiant on Sep 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now the Cowboys' fans
can’t claim that Adams was “just trying to stop his QB from getting killed.” Or, they can claim that, but just sound even stupider because he was doing it on a run play.
by Mount17 on Sep 30, 2009 1:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ed...thank you for posting that FA trip...
all the cowboys people were trying to justify the trip on Tuck because he was “protecting his QB”…
well who was FA protecting on that play? the RB was already way past the line of scrimmage and he tripped him regardless….
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Sep 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Is anyone here a member of "blogging the girls"?
I just signed up…I would love to hear them explain that trip by FA….
last week it was “hey, FA was protecting his QB”…
Whats their reasoning now???
I would love to know….once i get the chance, i’m a make a post, but something tells me i won’t get a response.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Sep 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am...
And after I saw that video I actually was beginning to write a post directed at Mike Fisher to see what his response would be(not that I expect he’d come up with one), but than came across an article about the Jets vs. Giants so went with that instead. If you post one, I’ll be happy to join you in the crusade.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
i’m just waiting for them to grant me access…i guess i gotta wait 24 hours???
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
by andiamo708 on Sep 30, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea..
Apparently they had too many “trolls” over there posting nonsense, so now you have to get past there vigorous screening process to be granted access to “Americas Blog”.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven't joined the Cowgirls blog..
But read enough to realize they are all full of crap..I have not read one comment that has made any common sense at all..They are in trouble this week also because Jones is hurt..Hmmm..No Barber..No Jones..Leave it all up to hmmm…Romo..Good luck (don’t tell my wife I wrote this).
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't stand have the crap I read on there either...
Like Mike Fishers defense of Flozell Adams. Or even just earlier today I read something to the tune of:
“The Cowboys never get beat, they always beat themselves.”
I vomited all over my keyboard.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 1, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Cowboys always beat themselves
then they actually have a really good postseason record since 1996, huh?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
by cjmulrain on Oct 1, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fisher is an idiot
What is Goodall doing about this?..Is he too busy looking for Dogfighting, Cockfighting, guys shooting themselves in the leg, running over people crossing a street, getting drunk and disorderly???..Roger you saw the games!!!..How about paying attention to the dirty tactics on the field and doing something about it..You took that fat ass’s lunch money away..that is all..Adams can still afford to go to McDonalds for eighty Big Macs every day, and fine tune his right leg for whipping and tripping and hurting clean athletes..The players are going take this guy out if you do not address this seriously..When a player knows his career is on the line when dealing with this dirt they’ll fix him..but Goodall your job is to step in and fix this.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Blogging the boys
I could not stand reading the posts on that site regardless if they bring the same type of insight and respect that BBV does. In my mind they are all delusional. I would get so angry at some of there posts and would likely be banned for trolling because I actually made more sense than someone like Mike Fisher.
by wangstu13 on Sep 30, 2009 5:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
There are no smarter and "in-tune" fans
Then us..I don’t know about the rest of you folks, but “Cowboys” didn’t exist when I started my Giants rooting career.
by Bobbiblue on Sep 30, 2009 6:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mangini as worst coaching hire of the past 25 years?
May not even be the worst of the past YEAR. Zorn anyone?
by daveh873 on Oct 1, 2009 12:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Zorn had a decent rookie season.
Mangini did too with the Jets, but was basically worthless the rest of the time. He didn’t get fired from the Jets for no reason.
Zorn is a bad hiring too, but Mangini definitely is looking worse right now.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Oct 1, 2009 8:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait till he goes 0-16
Than make your decision.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 1, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all im saying
is the redskins are a HELL of a lot more talented than the browns. Hiring someone as a first time coordinator and then making them your coach instead usually isnt the smartest idea.
Im not saying Mangini isnt a terrible hiring, I just think he has some competition.
by daveh873 on Oct 1, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh most definitely...
But you also have to take into account Zorn’s coordinators were already in place before he was hired. He didn’t get to choose his staff which in my opinion is just as/if not more important than the head coach.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
but who would he pick? he was never even a coodinator (except for a couple years in college). I know he’s been around the league for a while, but I doubt he’d have the pull that other, much more decorated coaches would.
I just cant get over the fact that the Redskins lost to the Lions. Washington just inst that bad talent wise. You put a Coughlin or a Tomlin in there as coach and there is NO WAY they are as bad as they’ve been so far this season. Replace Mangini with almost anyone and the Browns are still more than likely a losing team.
by daveh873 on Oct 1, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well the season is still young...
The Redskins have this terrible habit of making everyone believe they’re out of it…than out of nowhere they tear of 6-7 straight and squeek into the playoffs. Let’s see how this season plays out. I just feel like today I KNOW the Browns are awful and will continue to be all season, but I really can’t say with confidence the Redskins will be this bad all year.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 1, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
solid points
of course we are judging manjini on 3 games in cleveland. I dont think he’ll turn it around, but yea…
The Redskins though? They could be good. But again, that is an product of having way more talent than Cleveland as much as it is a product of them having the “better coach”.
In any event, they both suck. And this thread is getting too old to keep posting in.
by daveh873 on Oct 1, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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