Land of the Giants: Power Rankings, Power Football, and Kenny Phillips' Future
- Despite John Clayton apparently demanding literal perfection from the Giants, they've fared pretty well in this weeks round of power rankings. ESPN has them third while both CBS and Fox have them at #1. I think when looking at recent success (Super Bowl, followed by home field advantage last year) plus on-field success so far, I don't really understand how anyone can rank the Giants any lower than 3rd, if not 1st. I know Tampa's pretty awful, but the Giants didn't just beat them, they dominated them start to finish. It was like watching a 1-A team play a 1-AA team in college (Michigan excluded). That's gotta count for something, no?
- George Willis of the New York Post talks about the Giants brand of smashmouth football
- Ralph Vachianno writes about the Giants ability to move the ball on the ground and through the air:
Don't laugh, because the Giants' performance through the first three weeks - including their 24-0 win in Tampa on Sunday - probably has a few defensive coordinators scurrying back to the drawing board. The Giants (3-0) clearly aren't the one-dimensional, ground-based team so many thought they'd be coming out of training camp. Nor are they the one-dimensional, pass-happy team they looked like at times the first two weeks.
What they are is a dangerous, versatile offense willing to play whatever style is necessary. They're capable of doing whatever it takes to win.
- I know this discussion has occurred on this blog before, but the Jets seem to get all the attention while the Giants just go out and win football games. Brian Costello of the New York Post has a good article on the Giants perspective on this phenomenon, and it sounds like they're perfectly ok with flying under the radar. Unlike many of you, I like the Jets - I always root for them unless they're playing the Giants, and I have no problem with them getting all the attention. In a lot of ways, the Giants are boring, at least when they're off the field, and I appreciate them for it. The Jets seem to alternate terrible seasons with seasons where they rope their fans into believing this will be the year, and every year something goes heartbreakingly wrong for them. To a neutral observer, it's a much more interesting story than hearing about the best team in the NFL dismantling the worst team. So let them have their fun, and just know that deep down inside, every single one of them would trade the media love for the Giants' success.
- Super-Agent Drew Rosenhaus is probably one of the sleaziest people in sports, and I normally wouldn't trust a word he says, but I'm really hoping he's not lying when he says that Kenny Phillips' injury really isn't that bad:
"Furthermore, this injury will NOT have a significant impact on Kenny's NFL career. All the negative speculation is off base and unfounded." Drew Rosenhaus wrote on his Twitter page.
"After discussing Kenny Phillips' medical situation with several specialists, I'm pleased to say that the future prognosis is very positive!"
- Finally, let's have another "we told you so" moment: Wallace Matthews says the Giants definitely don't need Plax. We've been beating that drum here at Big Blue View since the draft, but hey, it's always nice to get another convert (even if it did take them literally 3 weeks of seeing it with their own eyes to finally believe).
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I think ESPN's overall power rankings...
takes an average of all thier minion’s opinion’s, so it was probably Clayton’s ignorance that dropped the Giants from 2 to 3 in the overall poll. Still, I don’t understand how a team can fall when it wins a game regardless of the opponent, especially like that.
Power rankings are meaningless of course, but c’mon. How the hell can you do that? Since when does winning a game make a team worse?
And as for not needing Plaxico…..well welcome aboard Wallace. See, not being pigeonholed to throw to one tall WR is not as good as a bunch of quick WR who can actually get open. We all know how good Plax and Toom were. But these other guys can play too. Steve Smith is simply one of the best overall WR in the game. Can anyone else say Keenan McCardell? Remember him?
And only on a few occasions has their been balls thrown over the WR head (he over threw Boss and I believe Smith 2 or 3 times, on rollouts tho), that’s another myth that rarely happened as was the "successful RZ offense with Plaxico.
The Jets, and the Saints for that matter, have a big test this week and next week for the Saints. Are each of these 2 perennially cursed teams any good? I hope the Saints beat the hell out of the Jets. Would love to face them when they are think they are going undefeated with NY(…NJ) teams.
As for not getting the attention, of course the Jets will this week too. They are getting that big test, while the Giants in all likelyhood are gonna keep it vanilla this week too. Let em get the attention. The one thing I like about them is they finally got rid of Mangini. Couldn’t stand that fat pile.
What the f$%k is the internet?
McCardell
Is it coincidence that you mentioned him? You do know he was a special instructor at camp (some sort of minority coach training program) and is probably a good part of the reason that guys like Nicks, Manningham, and Smith (and even Moss on that TD) have looked like real, live NFL receivers this year. We should remember too that Coughlin cut his teeth as the WR coach on Parcells late 80’s Giants teams.
I sait it before the season
that the Giants young WR reminded me of when COughlin started out in Jacksonville with McCardell and Jimmy Smith.
I don’t know if HAM and Swiss will match those 2, but it sure looks like they’re gonna try.
Kinda amazing the similarites with that offense and the Giants offense now. Even Kevin Boss is similar to Kyle Brady, except Boss while as big is not nearly as slow or stonehanded.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
....
I said it before the season that this year’s WR group of Steve Smith and whoever else would resemble a lot like McCardell and Jimmy Smith when Coughlin started making the Jags a very good team.
Even Kevin Boss and Kyle Brady are a lot alike, tho Boss is a much better receiver and not really as big as Brady.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions
those balls thrown over their heads were short to medium passes right? Eli’s so accurate throwing deep passes. Short to medium, not so much.
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 30, 2009 11:55 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
don't know about that...
those short passes are his bread and butter still.
Eli really was always accurate. It was the WR running bad routes and dropping balls.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Yea drops have been a big issue for the GMen with Eli...
I think they led the league in drops at least twice since he’s been here.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 1, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Ramsey Barden...(Big RAM)
What is going on with this team. They have a receiver who they drafted due to his ability to leap and catch passes in the red zone. He has great hands…shown that during preseason and practice. He knows the plays….one reason they kept him to make the roster. So why R they not using this bright talent to put points on the board?!?!?!? He is hungry and eager to get on the field. The giants have been down the red zone too many times just to come away with 3 points or no points at all. Play this Kid…play BIG RAM….if its a threat that were missing..this kid is the Cuban Link…he may not have extreme break away speed but he has speed and the ability to go after the ball.
Why is it taking the team this long to use him…Dont wait till we have lost a game and then decided we could have used him earlier on during the season…use him now. Get him use to being in that situation….Throw to him BEFORE U EVEN GET TO REDZONE…this Kid has a track record of knowing where to be and when to leap for the ball…..PUT BIG RAM IN!!!
He still needs some work apparently
Even at his height, if you can not run the right routes then you are basically a non-factor on a play.
Are you at practice every day?
Do you see what the coaches see? We love Barden, but he is a rookie third-round pick from a small school with a lot to learn. He will get his chances when the coaches feel he is ready for them. What is going on with this team? They are 3-0 and one of the best — if not the best — in the league, that’s what. They have a Super Bowl title and four straight playoff appearances. This team is not run by Eric Mangini. It does have a staff that knows what it’s doing. BTW, if you paid attention Barden was in the game last week against Tampa Bay in some red zone situations.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 AM EDT up reply actions
how do you know RAM knows the plays?
I want them to use him too, but there’s a reason Travis Beckum has gotten more opportunities so far than Ramses.
He was a third round pick, they didn’t just “keep him cuz he knew the plays”.
He was in there on the Steve Smith 4yd TD catch. He’s a rookie and there’s just something there that he hasn’t shown yet. Give it time, he will be in there. But the fact he’s tall, like Plax, means nothing as to solving the RZ failures. It meant nothing with Plax and I doubt that it’s the solve all with Ramses.
As a side note, love the RAM nickname. Maybe a few original Gears of War players remember RAAM?
RAAM and HAM? Ham and Swiss? Hakeem the Dream? Becks? Bossman? TE Killa B’s?
….tho Steve Smith after replaying that move to get open in the TD against Dallass, Im gonna call him Master Shake for how he got open.
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by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 7:52 AM EDT up reply actions
Lovin the aqua teen reference. Ima call him master shake too. I’ve just been calling him smitty but he deserves that name after that move
by Nine Inch Nails on Sep 30, 2009 12:25 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Hahah poor General RAAM
and his goddamn stupid train. I LOVE the Gears games but the endings are sooooooo weak.
Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.
by CasanovaWong on Sep 30, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Does Mr. Loxx's obsession with an unproven WR
Remind anyone of anyone?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 30, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!
The wide receiver who didn’t even make it to training camp. Ha!
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m the biggest Ramses fan out there. In training camp I started to believe he had a chance at starting. With that said, I trust that the staff knows what it’s doing. Ed and FreeBradShaw are right, if he isn’t running good routes every time he does not need to be out there. We obviously aren’t hurting at WR right now with Steve Smith turning into a beast and Super Mario being shifty as heck.
I’m completely alright with bringing him along slowly. I wouldn’t panic unless we don’t see him become a factor in a few years. Nothing is wrong with the GMEN in 09.
Power ranking
At this point in time I’m afraid the Ravens and the Colts look better than our Giants.
I’ve been a Giant fan for over 50 yrs and always root for them, but I’m being realistic.
Hopefully, I will change my mind about the Giants being number 3 to all the way to the
Super Bowl
Raves yes
Defenseless colts?? I dunno man they really look horrible on Defense and if not for Peyton that team would be really bad, they should of lost to the Dolphins for gods sakes only 15minutes there offense had the ball which means there Defense couldn’t get the Dolphins off the field shoot the dolphins cant use the foward pass… So if your just rating Offense because of Peyton yes Colts are better but all round team sorry Colts are not there…
Lets give it time....
remember last year how many times people’s “best team in the league” changed? Remember how the Giants basically were at the top the whole year?
Long season. I sure as hell am not scared of Big Bro’s Colts. That’s all they have is Big Bro. The Giants would demolish them.
And the Ravens? Remember how the Giants beat the crap out of them last year?
I’ll give credit to them, they are both very good teams and the Ravens definitely look like the top team in the AFC cuz now they have an offense and a QB who gets ‘it’.
But lets not forget how good the Giants are. The only team I even see as their equal would be the Eagles, and they are always a team that you never know which one will show up.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 8:37 AM EDT up reply actions
As far as I'm concearned this is the same Ravens team from last year.
The same team that we ran for over 200 yards against if I’m not mistaken.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
I think the same can be said of Eli.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 9:20 AM EDT up reply actions
yo tito
I’m goin’ to the meaningless Sox game tonight
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions
You just know
That if the Ravens beat the Pats they are No 1 and if the Pats beat the Ravens they will be above us in the rankings…
As will the likely winner between the Jets and the Saints..
Last year we were No 1 for long parts of the season and by season end it meant nothing. I think the team and coaches will have learnt from that so even if we are No 1 (which we are on the NFL.Com experts polls) we will be able to deal with the hype and fan expectation.
by G Fan in England on Sep 30, 2009 8:39 AM EDT reply actions
I hope
The Giants aren’t ranked No. 1 until February
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
Jets love? Sorry CJ
None from me. I hate the Jets, always will. They cannot lose enough to suit me, and I find it comical how every 5 years when the Jets win three in a row, we are inundated with pictures of Fat Fireman Ed rooting on their drunken masses in our house. Then the Jets do what the Jets do best, and torch the whole thing, and their fans are forced to begin concentrating on who they will boo when the Jets make their first round selection in the NFL Draft, while Steve Serby of the NY Post has to tear up his yearly “Jets will be Super” column.
I would rather drink from the same glass as Amy Winehouse than root for the Jets.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 30, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions
Serby is what I'm talking about
Typicall NY media Jet Fan, always picking against the Giants and talking about the Jets in the SB. I’m convinced it’s a conspiracy in the NY media. Like Fox News is right wing and CNN is Liberal. The NY Media is Jet and even Met biased. I know of so few Jet fans yet they always got top billing in NY. The Yankees, Giants, and Knicks have huge fan bases in NYC while the Rangers and Mets have strong fan bases too. The other 4 NY area teams, including the Jets, are barely worth mentioning yet we constintaley here about the Jets. I think I would like them if they were not jammed down my throat so much every year.
i find it comical
that the so called “experts” claim that the underachieving jets with a rookie qb are better than the giants
injuries
should be able to win the next 2 weeks without rushing anyone back in before they’re ready.
Media Attention with Jets
I guess what bugs me the most about it is the fact they have such a small fan base compared to the GIants. I’m convinced most media and talk show hosts in the NY area are Jet fans thats why they get talked up so much. Look at WFAN; it’s the flagship station for the Giants yet it’s a Jet Pep ralley every Friday/Monday. The Jets have not even sold out all of their games this year so they can’t have that many fans. I know more Cowboy and Steeler fans in this area than Jet Fans. In Basketball and Hockey I’m a Nets and Devils fans but I accept the fact they get no coverage because they have about 100 fans while the Knicks and Rangers have huge fan bases. The Devils have won 3 championships in 15 years and yet any Hockey talk in NY is Ranger talk. I’m not saying the Jets fan base is a bad as Devils/Nets but it’s closer to them than to the Giants. Not only that it seems as if the Jets for years have tried to run their organization with a lot of NY flash and have always used gimmicks to draw attention away from the Giants and a lot of media types take the bait.
rosenhaus
Sorry, Ed, I don’t believe a word he says. His job is to pump up the dollar value of his clients. That’s all he does.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 30, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions
True
But I cannot see the Giants giving KP a contract extension until he returns from injury so maybe we give Drew the benefit of doubt on this one.
by G Fan in England on Sep 30, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions
When 9/11 happened
and the city rallied behind their sports teams, it seemed to me the Giants got all the media attention, while the Jets were largely forgotten as “the other New York team.” Modern media is always obsessed with who’s next, as ESPN has literally admitted to doing, so it’s no wonder the Jets have gotten the lion’s share of publicity to open the season.
I keep seeing Jacobs in the papers and the news..
And the reviews are not good. Moose Johnston (Cowboy homer) and Siragusa kept on Jacobs about not running so hard and there a huge spread on the Post about him today. You can bet Jacobs has been hearing this and is ready to blow up KC this coming week. This team loves doubters.
Glad to see them try and piss off Jacobs.
But I don’t know who cringes more when they say that, Jacobs himself or opposing linebackers and DB’s who will feel the repercussions of these knocks.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Just for the record!
I’ve always believed(even b4 the super bowl victory) that Eli was a better QB without Plax. Also, in ESPN’s The Magazine there ia an article that proves what I’ve known for 3 seasons already. Eli is not just the most but the only clutch QB in the NFL right now. Of every current QB, Eli is the only quarteback whose passer rating rises in clutch situations i.e. close 4th quarter games. Last season his average passer rating was 86.4 but in the clutch it jumped to 132.6 but i have yet to hear any sports “expert” mention this on ESPN or anywhere for that matter. Eli is the best QB in the game bar none!!!!!!
Impressive stat
Although I know I wouldn’t want the ball in both Peyton’s & Brady’s hands with the game on the line if I’m the opposing team even if they don’t have similar stats. Anyway, how great is it to have a QB that we completely trust in the clutch?
I see that homer in you...
and yea, I wouldn’t trade Eli for anyone. I do know that he’s not the best, but I don’t care cuz he’s damn good.
As for being better without Plax (and Shockey, and Toomer, and Tiki), I kinda felt that way too.
The guy spreads the ball around nicely. I think having Steve Smith as his primary guy early on is much better too, cuz Smith just knows how to get open while Plax and Toom really couldn’t.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions
WHO GIVES A FLYING F*UCK WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS
Is there any team out there that scares you right now?
I feel like the Giants could walk into Baltimore, and do the same exact thing they did last year when everyone was so high on the Ravens, just unequivocally beat the living crap out of them by playing physical Giants football on both sides of the ball.
I feel like they could walk right into New Orleans today, with our number one ranked pass defense (injured or not) and find out how well Drew Brees throws the ball off his ass.
We could walk into OUR HOUSE and teach Rex Ryan that sometimes, it’s better to keep your mouth shut, because if you talk about this team…you’re going to get embarrassed.
The only way this team loses is if they beat themselves. We have the best QB in ALL of football during crunch time (who is slowly but surely becoming a fantasy stud as well). We have the two most physically punishing running backs behind easily one of the most consistently effective offensive lines in all of football. Our defense is missing key players in every package, and they are still ranked 2nd overall in the NFL.
2nd, and they’re only getting healthier.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions
You are right..
They have played well, and the injured guys are getting better in the process…We could very well become invincible when we get all our guys back on the field..
The Jets
I root for them to win also, as long as they aren’t playing us. I view it as they represent NY and NJ..I am a diehard Giants fan..always have been..I love the Yanks, but root for the Mets also..I’ll even root for Buffalo..All these teams represent the great state of New York..When you think of it, we are lucky to have such great, classy sports teams to root for..I did however give up on basketball along time ago..That was shortly after Willis Reed’s gutsy performance and all these punks started showing up in the NBA..I haven’t watched an NBA game in years.
I'm not sure
that the I. Thomas Knicks or the drunken Jet fans fight and sexually assualt Female fans are “classy”
One thing I noticed last week
Is that Coughlin is starting to get our young guys in the game to get them some real game experience, and I imagine we’ll see more of that against KC..This is invaluable and will pay big dividends later on in the season..Get ’em in there, give them a chance to shake off the nervousness they have when a real NFL is going on..That will calm them down and make them focussed, calm and ready to contribute.
We are a young team
In terms of NFL years we must have the yougest group of players at the skill positions and the defence apart from a few old heads is pretty young too.
The average age is so high because of Feags!!!
The problem we have is that if most of these young players work out what are we going to do with all our draft picks over the next couple of years if we only have a few cracks to fill in?
As a separate point did JR get Canty, Boley and Bernard now not only to improve the defence but with an eye to 2010 and the uncapped year(s)?
As I understand it, if you are a playoff team you are limited in FA the following season in which case JR is ahead of the curve again. Boy is he good if this is the case.
by G Fan in England on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
Not the worst problem to have is it?
The problem we have is that if most of these young players work out what are we going to do with all our draft picks over the next couple of years if we only have a few cracks to fill in?
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
That
is when you package a couple of picks to move up and target guys you really, really want. Or, deal for a veteran to fill a need.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 30, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Like the number one reciever we so desperately need...
…not.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Jets
I’m happy for them. I root for them too when they’re not playing the Giants. Hopefully they’ve finally found the QB they’ve been searching for since the days of Joe Namath.
I think the power ranking is a jinx anyway so I could care less if the G-men aren’t in the top 3. I say let them decide it on the field.
media attention
it doesn’t have anything to do with fan base sizes or success. It has to do with what’ll move papers, and apparently Jets fans are in the market for buying hope. Also, it’s a matter of what you can pump flashy news out of, and the Giants simply aren’t doing anything but playing great football. With the Jets you have glitzy BS stories like Future Hall-of-Famer Sanchez, Rex bagbelly Ryan and his big mouth, preseason team fights, “this is the year,” and all that jazz. It’s all fluff and meaningless BS.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 30, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions
Screw the attention and the rankings...
Give me the Lombardi all day every day. As a Giant and Yankee fan (I like the Jets alright, I consider them the appetizer or dessert to the Giants game) it’s all about the Championships, not how we got there, how gaudy the stats are, or what anyone thinks about the team. It’s about winning, plain and simple.
We are our Quarterback.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions
Drew Rosenhaus
is the scum of the earth…
the simple fact that he’s saying this scares me…the guy is an effing liar.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Let's not be so quick to judge...
I loathe Drew Rosenhaus as much as the next guy….but I remember a similar situation with another injured Hurricane he represented (Willis McGahee anyone?) and so far he’s had a solid career.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
perspective on the Jets
I agree with every word of this. It’s almost exactly how I feel.
I like the Jets – I always root for them unless they’re playing the Giants, and I have no problem with them getting all the attention. In a lot of ways, the Giants are boring, at least when they’re off the field, and I appreciate them for it. The Jets seem to alternate terrible seasons with seasons where they rope their fans into believing this will be the year, and every year something goes heartbreakingly wrong for them. To a neutral observer, it’s a much more interesting story than hearing about the best team in the NFL dismantling the worst team. So let them have their fun, and just know that deep down inside, every single one of them would trade the media love for the Giants’ success.
The only difference for me is that I’m not really exposed to the Jets stories since I live in Chicago now, so I’m not annoyed by them. Sometimes I click on a link about the Jets just to see what’s up, but I don’t follow them closely. The Bears fans get really pissed off by the “all-NY” superbowl talk, and it cracks me up.
When they were bragging about the Bears victory, I countered with, we got a shutout – and the Jets are also undefeated. They hate it when a NY team is in front of them, but two of them undefeated is brutal for them. LOL
I can watch the NY Jets
It’s their fans that are…to a point they remind me of Philly fans, they can dish it out but they can’t take it.
Anyway, a much more intruiging matchup with the Jets at N.O. this weekend than the Giants traveling to KC. This would be a typical “look past to the next game” game if the next opponent wasn’t Oakland.
wallace matthews is a terrible writer
having him agree with you is bad. he is a worthless piece of dog crap.
he probably is right but i wouldnt go around bragging about that.
Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.
I know
I probably wasn’t snarky enough with that one. But, I think in this circumstance it’s ok: we’ve known the Giants would be ok since March, and now that it’s on public display every Sunday, only a moron would refuse to acknowledge it.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
yea.
all these writers that hop on the wagon now need to pay the dues, i.e. deserve a good amount of ripping.
They are gonna trickle on too cuz HAM and SWISS are legit. Nicks was too, you can tell when he was playing that he is.
Nice trio of WR.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 30, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Moss has shown up as well...
That was one helluva catch against TB.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
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