'Kudos & Wet Willies': Giants get 'Kudos,' the Bucs get a 'Wet Willie'
by Ed Valentine on Sep 28, 2009 7:00 AM EDT
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PrintIf I really wanted to keep this short and simple, I would just say this. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a very bad football team. The New York Giants are a very good one. Except for Lawrence Tynes misadventures, it is pretty hard to find anything to complain about today as a Giants fan.
Anyway, there must always be 'Kudos & Wet Willies' following Giants football. So, I'll give it my best shot.
Kudos to ...
- The Giants defense: No Kenny Phillips? No Aaron Ross, Kevin Dockery or Chris Canty? Justin Tuck on the field for just a few plays? Who cares? Stung by criticism after a poor performance a week ago, the Giants defense pitched a shutout and held the Bucs to 86 total yards, an effort Antonio Pierce called "One of the best (defensive performances) I’ve been a part of." Yes, it was against a woeful Tampa Bay team. Yes, the Giants did not record a sack. But, dominance is dominance. The Bucs ran just 36 plays and had the ball for a microscopic 16:22. I'm not even going to bother singling anyone out. The defense wasn't on the field long enough for any one player to actually have a huge day.
- Ahmad Bradshaw: Brandon Jacobs might be a nightmare for defenders to tackle, but in his own way Bradshaw is as tough -- if not tougher -- to bring down. Bradshaw compiled 104 yards on 14 carries (7.8 yards per carry) Sunday, including a 38-yard run. Through three games he has been better than Jacobs.
- Steve Smith: I think it's time we stop calling this guy "the other Steve Smith." He's pretty darn special in his own way. The guy is impossible to cover on short to mid-range routes, makes difficult catches along the sideline and always seems to show up when Eli Manning needs to make a key throw. Sunday was just another 7-catch, 63-yard, one touchdown day for Smith. Nothing big, just whatever Eli needed.
- Tom Coughlin: For recognizing how much of a blowout the game was and getting Manning, Jacobs and some other guys out of the game midway through the fourth quarter. How many times have you stubbornly seen coaches leave stars in blowout games too long, only to watch someone needlessly get hurt.
- Green Zone offense: Yippee! The Giants went 3-for-5 inside the Green Zone, their first three scores of the season in that area. They got touchdowns both times they had first-and-goal-to-go situations. They also converted 10-of-16 third downs, including some short ones. There were some power runs, but I liked some of the other things I saw. There were some spread formations. There were draw plays. There were some passes. Nothing came his way, but I saw Ramses Barden check in during at least one Green Zone series. Yes, it was against the Bumbling Bucs, but Sunday's performance was a positive.
- Gartrell Johnson: Six carries for 23 yards in his debut, and had what I believe was a 19-yard run wiped out by a penalty. We just got a fourth-quarter glimpse, but you could see why the Giants like this guy.
Wet Willies to ...
- Lawrence Tynes: I have tried to defend Tynes in the past. I cut him some slack last week even though he missed a 29-yarder -- figuring he did make 4-of-5 and nail a game-winner. I can't defend him now, though. No professional kicker should EVER miss from 21 yards. No excuse, even if holder Jeff Feagles didn't get the laces all the way around. It's 21 yards, for crying out loud! It's sad, but I'm pretty sure I can make that kick. "I wish I had an answer," Tynes said. "I didn’t kick good all week. I didn’t kick good in pregame and I didn’t kick good in the game. It was pretty much just a bad week all around for me." Coughlin won't put up with this forever.
- The Tampa Bay offense: That is an NFL offense? Sorry, but I don't think so. The Giants defense played hard and did a good job against the run, but that was one of the most inept offensive performances I can remember watching. I wonder if Derrick Ward (5 carries, 2 yards) wishes he had kept his mouth shut last week.
- Tony Siragusa: Did anybody else get tired of listening to Siragusa criticize Jacobs repeatedly throughout the game? If my TV wasn't so expensive I might have thrown something at it. Jacobs did not have his best game, but he was effective enough to lug the ball 26 times.
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Kudos for this week's edition of K&WWs, Ed
Some questions/observations
1. Does Eli look a Tad faster this year than he has in the past?
2. Diehl definitely has better footwork than ever before.
3. That pass and catch from Eli to Moss was a thing of beauty. I didn’t think Moss had it in him.
4. Maybe Goose harped on it too much, but Big Jake doesn’t run with the kind of reckless abandon he has in the past.
5. Gartrell might be the guy we’re looking for to carry the mail close to the goal. He might be a bit slow, but he’s quick and runs with reckless abandon. I’ve always felt Jacobs needs a bigger hole than most down near the goal line because he runs straight up.
How many runs did Gartrell get?
Would be nice to see him panning out.
I agree
Eli on that scramble. Just another demension to our offense! lol
I can’t recall where i seen it, but Diehl did some basketball training to improve his footwork.
Wow, a Moss sighting! lol That was a nice catch, concentration and throw too.
There does seem to be a difference with Jacobs? I’ve seen a few comments around here pertaining to that, so it’s not just me neither!
When Gartrell carried for the first time (i think it was, the long one that was called back). I was impressed. At first, i thought it was Bradshaw, but he doesn’t have dreadlocks! So i was like, who is that? lol
if its the same story im thinking of
then diehl hired michael jordan’s trainer in the offseason. remember hearing that about one of the o-lineman, not positive it was diehl
You are correct sir.
Diehl spent a lot of time this off season training on the basketball court. His footwork has clearly improved because of it, I think they mentioned it a couple times during the Dallas game.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 28, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm not sure on Jacobs yet
We have to remember that teams are focusing their game plans on him. He doesn’t really look slower, just looks like he can’t get a head of steam, which would indicate it’s the strategy. Or am I missing it?
by potroast on Sep 28, 2009 9:09 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Jacobs
Is the opposing team’s focal point. I think it’s a case of teams concentrationg so hard on Jacobs, that other players (Bradshaw in this case) are getting the chance to kill them.
sort of like they used to say
Even when Plax isn’t having a big game, he is… in the same way they had to double Plax and free the Giants to run, they are now loading the box and freeing the Giants to pass… good thing about a balanced offense
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 28, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Well, one way or the other,
it has to tax any D to have to stop that guy 26 times in a game. That seems like more than the norm for him, no? Anyway, part of the problem with using him at the goal line is, I believe, that although he’s fast, he’s not quick. He gets to the hole after the crack (it’s usually not more than that)closes.
Jacobs
He did seem to be a little tentative sometimes getting into the hole. We’ll see what happens going forward, but if he’s healthy that should change.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT up reply actions
That's probably the best way to describe it
Even if there is a hole, it seems like he’s not into that higher gear. Bradshaw on the other hand. On that one play where he had two ankle-breaking cuts, wow!
Where did we get him from? Was he just a recent pick up?
by giantsfan56 on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Gartrell...
was a 4th round draft choice out of Arkansas State, and was on San Diego’s roster until we picked him up 2 weeks ago.
Sorry to repeat my post from another thread but
BJ is doing what the team has asked him to do. They coached him to change his style so he can be there for the long haul.
If he wanted to he could bulldoze on every play and get 4 or 5 tough yards all the time. But he’d be missing games with injury like the last couple of years and he’d only be in this league 2 or 3 more years.
They’ve coached him to look for holes and run around guys and he has bought into it and I’m glad he has. I want him around in the 4th quarter of a January game so he can bulldoze for 3 tough yards on a tired defense when it’s necessary.
I would think at the goal line
he’ll still run over people as necessary. But on a 1st & 10 at the 40, use some finesse so a sprained knee doesn’t keep you on the sidelines for that 3rd & and goal at the 3.
IMO,
he hasn’t shown in all his time with the Giants that he can do that at the goal line on a consistent basis. He’s fast, but it takes him a while to get up to speed, he runs high and he’s so big he need a wider hole than most really good goal line backs.
PS, the best goal line back
I ever saw was Marcus Allen, who wasn’t a big guy by any means, but he was quick (as well as fast) and when he hit the hole his upper body was parallel to the ground. He could blast through the smallest cracks.
Spot on
Plus, given MA’s size, he could go over the top if it was sealed up! Whereas Jacobs will try and use his size to an advantage, driving his legs and bullying his way! I don’t know the stats (short yardage), but the closest to Jacobs overall size recently, was Christian Okoye?! With saying that, weight-wise and a bit shorter, Jerome Bettis was pretty good at short yardage. A lower center of gravity, but with weight to churn out positive results!
If Jacobs could lower his pad shelf a few more inches, the rest would be gravy. If you stand him up at the point of attack, that allows the ankle biter’s time to gnaw!
I've long maintained
that a smaller, quicker back is better for goal line situations when everyone is bunched up – it’s easier for him to disappear and hit the hole. The big guy’s are great in the open field b/c they’re tough to tackle, but get them down by the goal line and just plug up the middle and they have nowhere to go
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
That's why I liked to try Gartrell
down there. Despite his rekatively slow 40 for an RB, the guy is quick
You're right overall,
but at the goal line, quick is better. You have to get to the hole before it closes. If it’s there, it’s usually only there for a split second.
not really.
If you’re a RB and you’re quick, chances are you’re not slow. But fast and not quick doesn’t do you much good as a RB, cuz you’re going to get tackled before you get to the LOS.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 29, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions
Yep that's BJ's problem at the goal. He's fast,
but not quick, and yet he’s one of the top five (at least) RBs in the league. It takes him a few steps to build up a head of steam. The goal line play is esentially a quick opener. A back who gets it over the goal consistently has to have a quick burst as well as power.
IMO, the days of guys who can move the pile are pretty much over. The opposing force is too great to overcome. You have to burst through the crack as it opens. Some guys used to be able to leap over the pile, but that seems to be a thing of the last as well. Now, if the Giants O-line were road grader types rather than finesse, BJ might be the guy to go to down there.
see Parker, Willie
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Speaking of formations
It’s fine if they have Jacobs in the shotgun grouping, but i really don’t like them using him with draw plays out of it. He’s a unique back that requires a little more room to get going and if it’s not there, he gets bottled up!
predictability
is the reason Jacobs doesn’t get that 1 yard in 3rd and short or goal line…. I don’t care who you put out there, if there are 11 men in the box staring at him, with no second thoughts of anybody else on the team getting the ball, he ain’t getting in.
Gilbride HAS to do a better job of using different weapons in the red zone. Until then opposing Def will sell out all 11 on jacobs. Getting into a jumbo bunch formation only helps the D to cram everyone in and kill the run. Spread it out! Use Boss, Barden, Smith, how about some play action? I saw people talking about Eli being faster…. roll him out to buy some time!
Week after week I watch other teams from around the league use these types of plays successfully, then run it up the gut later. Why the Hell can’t Gilbride figure this out. I’m sick of his incompetence, and it may have cost us Kareem when we had to kick another 20 something yard FG cause we were to predictable on 1st 2nd and 3rd down
I had no problem with Goose
I was saying the same exact thing as I was watching the game. In fact, I said to someone that he’s starting look like Ron Dayne on some plays. Tip Toeing to the line then trying to push the pile when he gets there. And it seems to me, he’s not even trying to lower his shoulder. I heard him say before the season started that he was going to try even harder this year to remain healthy and play all 16 games. And I think that “I don’t want to get hurt” mentality is really hurting his game.
Eli
worked w/ Olympic gold medalist Michael Johnson this offseason. He’s now working w/ all athletes who are looking to improve their speed. He appeared on First Take during the summer and was kind of promoting his newest venture. Eli was one of his main examples stating that if he could make him faster, he can make anyone faster.
by YankeeDudeL on Sep 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow
I hadn’t heard that before that’s actually very interesting. It really is a very noticeable change too, as Eli has looked really slick in the pocket early this season.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 28, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
That sounds like a recipe for a very special episode of Shaq Vs.
Shaq Vs. Michael Johnson vs. Eli Manning!
Injury status?
Missed the game (on a plane) but the injuries trouble me.
Giants will need to be at full strength soon but the list seems to get longer.
Seubert? McKenzie? Ross and Dockery for next week?
Did the new Safety (Rouse) play?`
How did he do? I saw no game thanks to getting every game BUT the Giants at 1 yesterday.
He didn't play
Or, if he did, it was very little. The Giants defense was only on the field for 16 minutes, which means hardly at all.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 28, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I do'nt think he played at all....
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Ward
before we go reviling the guy, did you guys see him laughing and joking with the Giants before the game? Obviously his “trash-talking” was of the friendly ribbing variety.
Bri: I didn’t notice Rouse all day, so I guess that’s good. The Giants were never burned for a long pass play … by the mighty Byron Leftwich.
Now let’s cross our fingers and hope for good news on the O-Line injuries. I’m more concerned about McKenzie, Seubert seemed to be not even getting medical attention on the sideline, probably just coaches being safe…
You play to win the game!
Return of the NickName Game (Part Deux)
with almost nothing to complain about ( just Tynes) and almost nothing to agonize over(’cept the dreaded Injury List):
1. Alias Smith (alas, we have no Jones)
2. the Bagel D.
by NYer in a strange land on Sep 28, 2009 8:13 AM EDT reply actions
Siragusa
Yea that is exactly what I was thinking. When he wasn’t eating on the sidelines he was barking about Jacobs being slow, and not running well. Give me a break. Siragusa has never run the football in his life. Of course Bradshaw is going to look quicker and more explosive. Brandon Jacobs is a power runner and isn’t trying to outrun anyone. Jacobs looked fine to me. I don’t know what Tony was talking about.
you couldn't have been listening
He never said Jacobs was slow…He said he wasn’t running hard. In fact his exact words were " if I were playing defense against him I’d be terrified. But he’s not running hard, so he’s not intimidating anyone on the defense".
Have you seen?
There is a picture of Vick being interviewed with a dog on a lead.
These media people think we are stupid not to realise the PR nature of this.
by G Fan in England on Sep 28, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions
Tynes
I was disturbed about his chip shot blunder, but the game was never in doubt so I forgive him lol. I did not listen to the game as there was lots of noise in the bar as well as many other games being played. Not sure why Tony Siragusa would talk bad about Brandon unless he really thought he saw something. Good solid win.
I'm not sure what
we learned about the Giants from this game. I said to my girlfriend “Enjoy these days of easy wins and dominant games, because these seasons are fleeting for most.”
Tynes’ lack of reliability is lamentable. It’s one of those holes on a team you just hope doesn’t come back to bite them in the playoffs.
rzor
The one real thing that I take from this game is that the Giants did not play down to the competiton. Came in very business-like, took care of business. Another thing, got key players out at the end and some quality reps for players like Carr and Johnson. I was hoping to see Barden with the situation well in hand, would have been some good “live” practice. Overall, good win.
If you look at how many times they ran, you have to
congratulate them for not running up the score. They seemed more or less able to do what they wanted on offense. Bells and the Pats would have scored more than fifty points.
It could've been worse too
I’m not going to complain about the results, but there were a couple/few missed opportunities. In a closer game, these things could come back to haunt you?!
And that
represents good coaching. Could have been a classic trap game, especially after the Dallas win, which was big and emotional. So kudos to the whole coaching staff
Argh.
I’m a Titans fan and lately I’ve been a Giants fan. I’ve been living up here for a little over 8 years now,my best friend is a season ticket holder, and bottom line, I’ve been liking what the Giants are doing lately. So I was very much looking forward to watching the Giants play yesterday because God knows, I needed something to take my mind off of that garbage that went down in the Meadowlands yesterday.
But people, that game against the Bucs was just UNWATCHABLE. Good grief, Leftwich is BAD. Tampa is ridiculous this year… it looks like they’re headed back to the glory of the Testeverde years. Yikes!
Congrats to the Giants. Great game. But painful on the eyes.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
For Die Hards
A game like that is needed, gives me one week besides our bye week with out having a near heart attack and i drink alot less durning blow outs so my kidneys get a decent break as well.. but still i loved every minute of the game and has always never changed the channel..
LOL!!!..your right...I however did change channels to see the Redskins
Blow it..Tonight I have to watch the Cowboys..My wife’s team..I am still trying to convert her, but will most likely just enjoy them losing without saying anything to her..I’ll just make believe I’m cheering with her and such, but inside I’ll be hollering "Yes..Fumble..Interception!!!..yes Dallas is down by 20 points..Yes!!..Then I’ll just give the ’ol sorry baby junk…lol..Need to protect marital bliss.
this game has the potential
to be the end of civilization, as we descend into an endless cycle of interceptions.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Depends on the eyes watching the game
I thought it was a thing of beauty. The game had to be played and the Bucs are a pro franchise with pro players. Gmen could have went in overconfident and got surprised. They came, they kicked ass, they went home.
you say that now
but for the first 2 games, Leftwich was a Fantasy Favorite. His stack up with any other QB in the league.
Fair enough.
I don’t want to say I was disappointed, but that was a whoopin’, and I guess I could have gone with a bit more drama. I kept tuning back to the other game, and that hurt my eyes.
DannoE
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one."
Jacobs
Why do they not consider letting opposing defenses chase bradshaw around for most of the first quarter, or even first half, and then sic jacobs on them when they’re hot and tired?
A reason they might not
It would be alot easier chasing down a water buffalo later in the day than a gazelle!
Tynes
will cost the Giants a big game at some point this year. he almost did it in Week 2 at Dallas by missing that 29-yarder. it’s absolutely inexcusable for any NFL kicker to miss inside of 30 yards regardless of game situation or circumstances.
side note: if they win @Kansas City next week, the Giants will be 4-0, 3-0 on the road, and 2-0 in the division. i know for most teams wins in 3 out of 4 away from home would be a good thing, but i’d rather the Giants played all 16 away from the Meadowlands.
think about the stink-bombs (home game against a team the Giants should beat or are favored to beat) this team has laid in the last four years – now think about how many of those games were at home. just off the top of my head: 2006 – Minnesota, New Orleans (that game ruined Christmas); 2007 – Minnesota, Washington; 2008 – Philadelphia (twice). the only road stinker i can think of in the past few years was the Monday Night debacle in Cleveland last season.
i’m much more comfortable with this team playing on the road.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions
the game in Dallas last year was pretty bad, too
8 sacks on Eli.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Tynes
Has to go. I’m sorry, but how hard can it be to replace a guy who misses two kicks from less than 30 yards?
SBaker used the word “inexcusable”, which I used yesterday several times as well when describing Tynes.
He is not a good kicker, plain and simple. I would rather they resign Morten Anderson, and just say “Ok, we are going to go for it outside the 25 yard line”
If the Giants can cut ties with the player who made the biggest catch in their history, than they can do the same for the guy with one of the biggest kicks in their history.
There is no reason to have a kicker on your roster who misses field goals from under 30 yards in perfect conditions. None.
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 28, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions
Agree
But he won’t help in 2009!
If you are at the game against the Raiders take your boots just in case you are needed.
by G Fan in England on Sep 28, 2009 9:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Is there anyone on the free agent wire
that can kick even a little? I mean just bring him in, cause a little competition at the position. I mean that guy really thinks he has nothing to worry about. He said in an interview that he doesn’t care if he misses a FG especially if he kicks the game winner. That’s just stupid, there might not be a game winner if he makes the easy ones.
unfortunately
Carney has gone to N.O. and finally given them a kicking game. Want to see bad kicking? Look at N.O.’s 2008 season. That was rough.
Tynes said
Tynes said. "I didn’t kick good all week. I didn’t kick good in pregame and I didn’t kick good in the game. You are a kicker, we are not asking you to block,return punts or running down the field on special team, just kick the dang ball.
What Did You Do For Ahmad Today?
You people do not appreciate Ahmad Bradshaw enough. Ahmad Bradshaw rules. When I wake up, I ask myself: “Would Ahmad want me to eat a donut today? Or maybe just some cereal?” When I go to work, I ask myself, “Would Ahmad want me to actually do some work, or would Ahmad want me to post comments about Ahmad?” You guys should follow suit. Unless you hate Ahmad, and, by extension, America, in which case, go be a Cowboy fan.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
lol
Yeah theres alot of Bradshaw doubters here.. Glad he is proven them wrong… I LOVE YOU 44… is just me or does he look like a bobble head out there running, i think his helmet is a too big or something…
best thing about AB
He runs like he absolutely effing HATES to be tackled. He fights going down with his entire being.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 28, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions
hey, easy man...
I bought a Bradshaw jersey before they went to the stinkin’ Super Bowl. I have to trust they guy!!
In Reese We Trust
jmark and Ed Valentine are excused.
The rest of you need to do something nice for Ahmad today. I am going to lunch. I think Ahmad wants me to have the salad, which sucks…but it’s for Ahmad.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
I wrote a post in the preseason
about how I thought Bradshaw was going to be better than Ward and possibly our best back this year. I get no credit for that?
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
You and a lot of others
have been big time Bradshaw fans all along, cj
Ahmad man crush
Next thing we know you’ll be stalking the poor guy. LOL!! Seems someone has a major man-crush!!
by Ed Valentine on Sep 28, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We have a guy named "FreeBradshaw" as one of the most regular posters.
And I freaking love Bradshaw. He’s my dude.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
I think the Die Hards are well aware of AB
I mean he was a spark plug in ’07 and lead the team with rushing in the playoffs…how about that run in the SB w/ that DE draped all over him….
but i think we all expected big things from AB…just like we did KP. Most of us have high hopes for kids the second their drafted to i think AB gets plenty love from the true NY fans.
I’m alos a big AB fan….meet him at camp this year and he walked over after practice, signed my football, took a pic w/ me and my GF…he’s just a great guy all around. I feel bad he lost his father before the season…and that’s another reason why i love Jacobs, because he supports AB like a little brother, and even though this is the NFL, that’s needed.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
LOL!!
Ahmad is the real deal!!!..He is going to the pro-bowl..I’ll take bets now..What a tough tough runner..and his moves are amazing!!..and as far as that Siraguza whatcha-might call it..He just stands in the end-zone eating free 9.00 hot dogs..Jacobs ran for 92 yards..what game was that fat idiot watching while consuming enormous amounts of free food? I have worried about Jacobs, but he had a good game (92 yards)..Have another hot dog Tony!!..and try to watch the game in between bites so that, after you swallow you can say something that borders on intelligence..Between him and Moose Johnston they’ll drive you crazy!!..What a pair of fools..Do we really need these two clowns break down every play with a microscope?..Go eat your free hot dogs, shut up, and stop ruining my life!!
When AB
gets out in space there’s not a tougher little RB in the game. He’s not even like MJD, a 215lbs pint sized back.
Ahmad isn’t even 200lbs, but he has a bitter stiff arm than Jacobs (lol…) and he doesn’t go down as easy either.
More and more they put the ball in his hands, the better this team’s gonna be. You can’t phase out Jacobs cuz he’s a hell of a weapon too at his size, but him and AB are as good as a tandem of RB’s can get.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 28, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Tynes
It seems strange that so many of us are willing to forgive Eli for a lot of his gaffes because he “gets it done when it counts” or something like that, but don’t cut Tynes the same slack.
+1
Tynes may be a goof and miss some 21 yarders…but no one was complaining when he made BOTH game winning field goals against the Cowboys.
Actually now that I think of it that’s not true, everyone was complaining about the field goal he missed earlier that game.
I’m with you Josh, Tynes is fine. He kicked us to a Super Bowl, hasn’t had any “Seattle Meltdowns” ala Jay Feeley, and when Carney was struggling with 35+ last year against Philly, i remember wanting Tynes in there.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 28, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions
But if he had made that field goal earlier in the game, those game winners wouldn't have been necessary.
Unlike with Eli, who you can’t pin the entire red zone failure of that game on. However, that miss was absolutely Tynes’ fault.
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
And if Eli didn't throw interceptions early in games
then he wouldn’t have to lead late scoring drives.
Eli doesn’t make many mistakes and has alot more on his plate then a kicker… But there isn’t any kickers available much better then Tynes anyways.. So go ahead and rag on him just like people will rag on Eli if he throws too many picks… Its part of the game do your job well and you get to keep your job and make millions… You won’t catch me feeling bad for them or Ragging on Eli but i will rag on a kicker that misses short FGs all the time..
Tynes is a kicker, which is an automatic -1 right out of the gate.
There is no slack for kickers.
I left my swagger in my other pants.
Tynes "getting it done when it counts"
you mean when he missed from 43 and then a chip-shot 36-yarder to put the Giants in an overtime situation on the road in Green Bay with a chance to go to the Super Bowl and was bailed out by Corey Webster and a terrible decision by Brett Favre for his famous third-time-is-a-charm kick? (run-on sentence)
or the time that he missed a chip-shot 29-yarder on the road in Dallas only to have Eli save his ass by setting up another chippy 37-yarder as time expired?
Tynes digs his own holes. just because he occassionally digs himself out, doesn’t mean that he should get a pass, and certainly doesn’t mean that he should get credit for it.
it’s like saying, oh well, John Starks was 1-25 from the field, but at least he hit the game-winning three.
by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 28, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions
it's kinda sad
that you have to reference a guy who hasn’t played for the Knicks in over a decade when talking about someone hitting a game winning shot. Thanks, Isiah
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
On the Starks dig
I just cried a little inside. Finally no Jordan to crush my dreams, only to lose Game 7 to the Rockets.
Anyone remember the night he had his nose broken, got fitted
with a mask and came back on the floor on fire? How about the dunk over Jordan (of course he paid big time for that, but still…he was crazy as owl shit and all heart
How can you possibly compare a "kicker" to a "QB"?
Ask Peyton Manning about “kickers”..He’ll tell ya..21 yards..gime a break..He plain sucks and he will cost our team dearly..He should kick for Buffalo..Maybe we’ll get lucky and have another Norwood moment.
I watched the game
at the bar and didn’t get to hear Siragusa’s comments (and thank heavens for that, I can’t stand that prick). There was actually quite a lot of Giants fans there and we all felt the exact same about Moss. After he slipped on that punt return (I think it was a punt, anyway) we were ready to give him his pink slip. But that was a great TD catch and he deserved a “Kudos” for that. Saved his job (w/ us, anyway) for at least another week.
completely agree
i was flipping out, why is this guy playing special teams?? why did we keep this guy around?? and then he goes and catches an outstanding touchdown pass and i muttered to myself oh, thats why
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 28, 2009 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions
How many times have you stubbornly seen coaches leave stars in blowout games too long, only to watch someone needlessly get hurt.
cough cough Tim Tebow cough cough
"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw
Urban Meyer
Great coach. Bigger douchebag.
"[The Giants] beat us down. We were beat by a grown-man team, a team we want to be like one day. They came in here and took it to us. Out-manned us, out-gunned us. ... It wasn't even close." - Raheem Morris, 9/27/09
Siregusa running back??
To “JRSu1” believe it or not in the last year of his carreer he took a hand off that scored a TD!!! It wasn’t pretty but it worked!! But that still doesn’t give him the right to go over-board about Brandon being slow. I would like to see Tony try to stop Brandon at full speed! NOW that would be funny!!!
If any of you remember Joe Morris ???? I think he’s back out there in Bradshaw’s body!!! Low quick power fast running!!! Game ball to Bradshaw!
The Goose
Got love the Goose..remindes me of the hairy back guy with the wife beater on bellying up to the sausage bar down the jersy shore..“give me two of those with extra onions”.
just cracks me up to see him on the sidelines. now you too will have this image of him in your head on sunday.
Tell you the truth,
I really like the Goose. Great color guy who really knows line play, giving a lot of insights you don’t get from other color guys. Tells it like it is (or as he thinks it is) and very good-natured.
i can make a 21 yard kick, and i dont even play soccor. i think i can make a 30 yd kick.
Schumer said: "Now the Giants aren’t just New York’s team, they’re America’s team."
"You forget about it whether it was 15-2 or 3-2. It's still a loss. It doesn't matter what the score was if we win tomorrow."... Derek Jeter.
by donnybaseball23 on Sep 28, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions
Anyone comment on CC's performance?
Obviously he was hardly tested…but he made all his tackles and it looked like he had good coverage as well.
Again, it wasn’t much of a test for CC out there but this was a good game for him to get his feet wet and get acclimated (in a regular season game that is).
Hopefully he can keep it up, i think he’s more than capable of doing so…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
watching Jacobs next week should be fun....
w/ all this talk about him not hitting the holes hard enough well….if i was KC i would not be looking forward to tackling him.
At the same, i thought Goose was being a bit harsh.
yes jacobs was p.u.ssy footing around yesterday but if the holes aren’t there…they’re just not there. I think Ahmad was more productive due to the misdirections and his ability to wait for holes to open.
Jacobs doesn’t have that ability…he doesn’t have the luxury of waiting for holes to open…he’s a mountain of a man…he can’t hide behind his oline. If he does run a misdirection he’s not explosive enough to make defenses pay….
the oline needs to open up more holes for the big body…when he saw that hole open up on the TD run, he hit it pretty quickly…no hesitation there…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Good point.
He needs a bigger hole thesmaller guys. Love to see it when he gets past scrimmage and LBs (better yet, DBs) have to bring him down. I’m still amazed by the speed such a big guy has.
not to mention...
the play when Adams came around the corner and got Jacobs from behind…if your oline is going to pull to one side and completey forget about blocking someone you better be sure to open up some holes.
we all saw how Jacobs ran during pre season. he was trucking dudes left and right…do you mean to tell me that he got conservative a month later??? I don’t think that’s the case….
and coughlin defended him as well…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
I'm with Coughlin. Twenty-six carries is
a full workload and 3.6 ypc is respectable. Of course, for the Bucs game, Bradshaw’s stats were more than respectable. Are you saying BJ would have done a lot better had the O line lived up to its well-deserved reputation as one of the best in the NFL? Against the Bucs?? If so, I must say I heartily disagree if that’s your assessment.
Tony Siragusa is god
I actually agree with him on his views on Jacobs.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Sep 28, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions
What Siragusa said was correct about Jacobs
Im sorry that it didnt come out of Joe Buck’s or Troy Aikman’s mouth for you to hear and agree with, tool.
Gary Thorne=Simply the Best!
by The American Mr.Hockey on Sep 30, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions
Moss
It was nice to see Moss finally get an opportunity! This guy makes plays when we use him so hopefully this is a sign of things to come. I would love to see us use a 4 or 5 wide set and make the D try to cover all of our weapons. We have studs at WR and if used properly, they could punish defenses. Can you imagine Smith, Manningham, Moss, Nicks and Barden out there at the same time?! or pull one of them and put Boss coming off the chip block on the line.
I was at the game yesterday and I did notice something though that flat out said what we were about to do, which was bring Hagan in to block from the WR spot. It was effective but blatantly obvious.
Side note, we were in the suite next to Dwight Howard, Rashard Lewis and a few other Magic players who were obviously pulling for the Bucs (they were not happy with how things were going!)so I made sure to cheer extra loud whenever the GMEN made a play. GO BLUE!!!!!!!!
This TB team is the same one that
ran all day against Dallass, a team the Giants had a mediocre day on the ground, and also a Buffalo team, a team that has at the very least had a better week one defending the Patriots in week one on the ground than the Giants….
So TB is bad, probably a Top 10 pick team, but they were playing well coming into this game. DO NOT LOSE SIGHT OF THAT!
The Giants beat the crap out of them. Like week 1, it didn’t show up on the scoreboard as much as you’d think as any Giants game is.
What the f$%k is the internet?
Green and red zones
Hopefully, the green and red zone successes against TB are the prelude to playing the good teams.
The Giants D
The Giants are supposed to have the best D Line in football but they have not put any real pressure on opposing QB’s and we have only beaten one good team. Where are the sacks? AP looks as slow as he did last year , what now seems to be a week schedule will let the Giants end up 11-5 I am a huge G fan but we have been lucky more than we have been good….lucky meaning we have played 2 lousy teams and one poorly coached (dallas) team…that won’t last all season. It is time to turn up the D with injuries to the DB’s pressure has to come from the DLIne.
Dude.
Watch the games. Than you won’t complain about sacks…we have the number one pass defense in the league, and believe it or not, that may have something to do with the ammount of pressure we’re getting on the quarterback.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 30, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions
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