NFL Punishment Doesn't Work

by ChuckyofNorris on Sep 26, 2009 2:50 AM EDT

Punishment in a game like the NFL where players are making more money than most can even use, does not work. It works on the rare occasions where a player is suspended for something, but these are almost always too lenient. When Flozell Adams tripped Justin Tuck I was rightly outraged that he could get away with injuring one of the best players on our Defence and be punished with nothing worse than a slap on the wrist.

Hines Ward has decided that he will use an illegal block because he believes it works better than going low, he justifies this by saying he can "take the fine". I'm not saying that Hines Ward is a bad guy or that he is a dirty player, but it is obvious that the punishment is not working. Fines are handed out as a deterrant, not so you can buy a foul. Punishments should be much harder on players deliberately commiting fouls. For Ward, explain to him that if he blocks illegally, he will be suspended for 2 games, for Flozell Adams he can choose: A suspension or he gets taken out behind the stadium by Giants fans with baseball bats. Dirty players need to be dealt with harshly so players don't get injured merely because one player can afford to commit fouls.

Poll

How should players commiting personal fouls(facemask, tripping, etc.) be dealt with?

Suspension

15 votes

How they are now

2 votes

Heavier Fines

12 votes

Life bans for anyone who even thinks about injuring a Giants Player

7 votes

36 votes | Poll has closed

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"buy a foul"

love it. maybe Sir Roger can hire ’F’anna White to announce said fines.

by NYer in a strange land on Sep 26, 2009 9:42 AM EDT reply actions

Suspensions and fines

Based on severity. If these players don’t care about money, well perhaps they care about playing time and their reputation. I’m talking about multiple games w/o pay and 6 figures as the starting point for fines.

Repeat offenders, doubling what they received the first time. 3peat, gone for the remainder of the season! Not only are players getting injured, it’s the idea that their careers could be in jeopardy.

Malicious intent to injure someone by using poor judgement should be dealt with. Thinking your above and beyond a league because of your money may get you to the unemployment line!

by Hootman on Sep 26, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions

Just to clarify

I love an LT-style sack as much as the next guy, that’s part of the game. But it’s the actions like Haynesworth did last year, and years ago, this DL played for G.B. (something Martin?), slammed McMahon to the ground. Well after the play was over. He had a towel with numbers on it. Some of those numbers were crossed off!

by Hootman on Sep 26, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions

This is exactly what I meant...

But I didn’t want to say fines in 6 figures because I’m really not sure how much NFL players earn, I just know it’s a lot. Eli Manning may be making big money, but I wasn’t sure that a guy with a less important job would still be making millions. I want them punished more severly, but I really don’t want to stop them from feeding their families.

It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!

by ChuckyofNorris on Sep 26, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Its tough...

cuz there’s varying degrees of seriousness with every penalty.

Its kinda weird now that simply touching the fasemask is as big a penalty as whey you try to rip the guy’s helmet off.

There’s only so much you can do other than 15 yards and an auto-first down.

But maybe something like a game or 2 suspension with no pay for a play like Adams or a nasty facemask.

Game-checks and playing time are the only thing these guys are gonna take seriously. $12500 for Flozell is like $12.50 to me.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 26, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions

That's why i didn't like the new facemask rule

God forbid a finger nail touches it now and it’s considered a 15 yard penalty? So in the player’s mind, if i’m going to do it, i might as well do it old-school. There’s no difference in reprocussions!

by Hootman on Sep 26, 2009 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions

Fines woin't work

The punishment has to hurt the team. Otherwise coaches and owners will tolerate or even encourage dirty play. But, if a key player is suspended for a game (or two for something really dirty) the team is hurt. If a really dirty player ends up sitting out four games per year, but the team still has to carry his salary, the team will be hurt. At some point, owners and coaches will realize that dirty play hurts the team more than it helps

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by NYERinSF on Sep 27, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions

The Flozell Adam's thing wasn't that big of a deal.

yeah he tripped Tuck but it’s not like he intentionally tripped him so he would fall on his shoulder awkwardly. It was a freak accident. Honestly if the tides were turned and somebody like Demarcus Ware was rushing unabated about to absolutely demolish Eli, you wouldn’t mind if Seubert or Ohara or somebody dove at his knee, tripped him or did everything in the power to protect the QB.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Sep 28, 2009 12:43 PM EDT reply actions

Yeah it sucks because

it happened against us but in the grand scheme of “dirty -plays” it was rather tame.

Strikeouts are boring- Besides that, they're fascist. Throw some ground balls - it's more democratic.

by CasanovaWong on Sep 28, 2009 12:45 PM EDT reply actions

I can see your point to a degree of "dirty-plays"...

But it’s the nature of what is expected vs. unexpected that leads to the severity of a dirty-play! Tuck and or other DL especially, go into every game and expect to be held, or chop-blocked. This happens every game. It’s when a player is caught off-guard and an unexpected force denies them of an opportunity.

It’s kind of like playing musical chairs. You would expect someone to push or pull you back from getting to the chair, but when you think your about ready to sit down because you were better, they pull the chair out from under you! Did you expect that? I’m sure your tail bone or your hands and on up to your shoulder’s didn’t either!

by Hootman on Sep 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions

I wouldn't defend one of the GMEN blockers

If they injured D-Ware by playing dirty, they did something wrong and I would expect the same punishment. If it was some back-up DE past his prime, I might be angry that we got suspended for cheating and injuring someone unimportant, but D-Ware is such a good player that I would be appalled if the Giants injured him through dirty play. Justin Tuck is that good and it pisses me off that Flozell was only charged the money he gives to his kids for pocket money.

It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!

by ChuckyofNorris on Sep 29, 2009 12:34 AM EDT up reply actions