Mike Fisher says if you don't agree with Flozells trip, than you don't know football.
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 25, 2009 3:16 PM EDT
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PrintLet me start by saying I don't know much about Mike Fisher. I don't know what his credentials are, nor do I know what great things he's possibly done in the past for sports writing. But if I'm going to base my opinion on him from the article I just read, or on this awesome picture he's provided, I can plainly state that this guy is a tool. 
Here's what "Fish" had to say about Flozell's trip.
. IN DEFENSE OF FLOZELL ADAMS: Let me say this respectfully to fans and media, OK? Say what you will about Flozell Adams and his "Three Stooges''-style leg extension against Justin Tuck. (Tuck is certainly saying what he will, and the league had it's $12,500-fine say against Flo, too.) But if the choice is toa) allow Tuck to bury my quarterback
or
b) shove my leg into his ankle, into his face and into his mama's face?
Watch out for my leg, Mama Tuck.
Really, Giants: You want me to take an action that causes MY quarterback to bust up a shoulder? Or you expect me to take an action that causes YOUR guy to bust up a shoulder?
Is this really a debate?
And I'm telling you, anybody who doesn't see this is either a Cowboys hater, Tuck himself or some writer/fan who never in his life has played on the offensive line and been beaten by the man across from him.
Fish makes a great point. Should we really expect Flozell Adams to just allow Justin Tuck to get a sack, after he so clearly and cleanly beat him off the ball? Should we really expect Flozell to play within the rules, and in turn, not use an illegal move to stop Justin Tuck from retrieving the sack he so rightfully deserved? How can we, as Giants fans, expect Flozell to simply man up, and try and do his job by blocking Tuck at the line, when he can just as easily do his best Ralph Macchio impression and get away with it more often than not (you'll see the same action against Osi later in the game with no flag).
So no Fish, there is no debate. I am not a Cowboys hater, I am clearly not Justin Tuck, and I played left guard for 8 years and was beat more times than I'd care to admit (yet never had one tripping penalty called on my number). Flozell Adams deserves no defense, he deserves all of the "hate" he has generated because he has proved to be nothing more than a dirty player who clearly can't hack it if he needs to resort to "Three Stooges''-style leg extensions" to proctect his quarterback.
And if you can't see that Mike Fisher, than you might be a homer.
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can you link to the article...
and if so…is there a comments section? b/c i wanna rip this guy a new one…
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Probably should have put that in the FanPost...
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/9/25/1054570/fish-on-football-a-cowboys-top-10
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions
fuck that guy, and the cowboy commenters too
that was a dirty, dangerous play. there’s a reason it carries a 15-yard penalty.
If anyone would know
It would be a cowboys fan. You guys see Flo trip so many players, you would know for sure.
In 11 years...
I had never seen him doing such a thing, you know?
Just because he did it against your team doesn’t mean that he’s the dirtiest player ever to wear a football uniform. He isn’t even the dirtiest OLineman in the East in this decade… Our Division had Runyan and Jansen…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
He is the most penalised player...
He has more penalties since 2007 than any other player in the NFL, so how is he not a dirty player.
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
by ChuckyofNorris on Sep 26, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
Most of his penalties are falsse starts
not really dirty is it?
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Sep 26, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions
In this case
it was like a 3-YARD PENALTY B/C the cowboys were buried by their own end zone
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 26, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions
You taped the game?
You should look at Jay Ratliff and how O’Hara and Snee recurred to every technique in their arsenals to hold him (legally and ilegally).
Sure, Ratliff didn’t walked out injured, but it isn’t any less illegal and went uncalled. Our side wasn’t the only one doing dirty stuff.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Show me a hold
half as “dirty” as a full-extension leg trip to a man running full-burst.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 25, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Holding – 10 yard penalty.
Tripping – 10 yard penalty.
That’s the League answer to your question. BTW, a facemask like the one Miles Austin received? 15 yards. A late hit like Felix Jones received (knee to his lower back and went uncalled)? Unsportsmanlike conduct – 15 yards.
Most Football players walk out dirty from the field and not just because they sweat and play on grass or turf.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
You think yardage assessed on a penalty
is a fair indicator of how DIRTY a play is? Man, that’s stupid.
So I have to ask, out of curiosity: which is dirtier, 12 men on the field, or the old inadvertent face mask? How about a false start being as “dirty” as defensive holding? And why is a defensive hold less dirty than an offensive hold?
Penalty yardage doesn’t have to do with how dirty a shot a player took…the fines and suspensions handed down afterward do. Penalties are assessed to combat an illegal move on the field that gave one team competitive advantage over the other, and to penalize accordingly.
Hell, there is only one type of tripping penalty…the 10 yard variety. Are you suggesting that all trips are equally dirty? That all late hits are equally dirty? That all roughing the passer penalties are equally dirty? Of course they aren’t.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 25, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Penalty yardage doesn’t have to do with how dirty a shot a player took…
So true… For example, I remember the last Cowboys vs Patriots game and a couple of plays come to mind. In the game Ware was giving Light a real hard time and Light responded by trying to spear Ware’s knees with his helmet, he missed his first and connected the 2nd. Ware spent a bunch of time on the ground, took some rest and reentered the field on the next posession, but it was evident that he was favoring his good leg.
No penalty was called.
Let’s make it clear, what’s more dangerous? Holding, tripping or spearing a knee? The most dangerous one won’t return a penalty and Light wasn’t fined.
Was I pissed? I was red in the face, I wanted Light in jail and I had and continue to live with it. Don’t want to see such stuff, you’re in time to change sports, I hear that gimnastics is quite clean and sportsman like.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Pathetic beyond words
“I hear that gimnastics is quite clean and sportsman like.”
I mean, really, if you want to start the childish masculinity questioning, at least SPELL your insults correctly.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 25, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, I have a bunch of respect for gimnastics
First, many of them get to practice in facilities with good to really good looking woman around them.
And second, some of the things that they do are really REALLY though, connecting in a 3 man thight coverage window level of though.
No masculinity questioning from my part, my friend.
And about my spelling, I’m sorry, english isn’t my first language and I’m continuing to learn from my meetings with the ground. Where was I wrong?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Gymnastics
though = tough, i assume, too.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 25, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
holding is holding....
and it goes on in every play of every game. Only a penalty if the ref calls it, and probably reason #1 why you can’t review a penalty. Holding has nothign to do with sticking you leg out there and kicking a guy (tho the whole trip and kick wasn’t really the think that injured Tuck, it was more cuz of the surprise of it)
Adams showed no technique. He only showed what a phony he is as a lineman. I agree, do what it takes to protect the QB.
But he has to face the repercussions if he does something illegal and meant to hurt a player, like he did on Sunday.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 25, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions
This
Ask any successful offensive lineman (NFL, college, even HS), especially in between the tackles, and they’ll tell you that holding not only occurs on every play but is probably beneficial to being successful at these levels.
And for the record, (and maybe I’m alone on this), but if Diehl or Beatty or any other Giants tackles would have done something this stupid to Ware or another DE, I’d be calling for a fine on them as well.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
Forgot to add
/gets off high horse.
Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.
This comment was so dumb, it made my brain hurt:
Couldn’t have said it better myself
The NFL is quickly developing into a reactionary league where they are quick to make a new rule when one of their "stars" gets hurt. They do this without putting any serious thought into how these reactionary rules might be changing and diminishing the game. It is very frustrating!
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
so by his logic
an offensive lineman could dive, helmet first, into a defenders knee cap to prevent him from getting to the QB? Cool, glad we figured that out, I’ll be passing it along to David Diehl next time DeMarcus Ware is coming after Eli
+1
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 26, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Mike the Tool's Logic
If you follow it, then all sports and all games become Rollerball displays of viciousness and insanity because you simply cannot allow your QB to be hit, buried, whatever the operative word is. And this is somehow a good thing and if we don’t agree we don’t know football? Fish, there’s more humanity and common decency on display at the Angola Prison Rodeo than in the form of football you’re prescribing. And I wrote it before the season started – “Watch the 2nd half of every Cowboys game when Flozell is winded and tired and holding or tripping on almost every play. The officials will call him on it but watch what they let him get away with. The man simply is a holding call waiting to happen.” All that and his name is Flozell.
by nybaseballgiants on Sep 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions
BTW, sorry to hear about Phillips
Hearing about good players and how their career may be over when it’s starting is a true shame… Best of luck and health to him and his family.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Definitely.
Injuries are part of the game, but this one is really quite sad.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 26, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
Ive got a plan...
If it is the right thing to do to protect your QB, then hire a few blackbelts, get them to “block”(Flozell style), and all the opposition’s stars will be out for a long time. It’s football not tennis so clearly beating the crap out of your opponents until they cannot play any longer is a neccessary wrong. BTW Roundhouse kicking an opponent: 25 yard penalty, flooring them with a punch to the temple that breaks their helmet: 15 yards, knowing your QB didn’t get hurt: priceless.
It would save the Giants Defence a lot of time if QBs just stayed down!
Maybe i'm mistaken, but...
does this guy just write for the cowboys sbnation blog? I mean he has his own handle, so its not like it was a link or anything. If thats the case, congrats on trying to make yourself look important and credible by adding a picture of yourself. Now everyone else can see how cool you are.
I checked it out myself
so he is a “columnist” for “blogging the boys” and apparently is on the local espn radio network down there. i’m gonna head over to pinstripe alley now and see how michael kay is doing.
Congrats “Fish”, you are officially as much of a “columnist” as I am.
This is why we can't have nice things
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 26, 2009 12:34 AM EDT reply actions
It wasn't the trip on Tuck
that got me so pissed. It was after KNOWING that he injured someone with that move that he tried it AGAIN on Osi. What a douchebag!!!
Chris Snee on NFL Radio:
“I’ve never done that.”
So take your BS face, Fish, and shove it
You play to win the game!
Mike Fisher is an idiot
he uses completely flawed logic.
You want me to take an action that causes MY quarterback to bust up a shoulder? Or you expect me to take an action that causes YOUR guy to bust up a shoulder?
Allowing a sack = “busting a guys shoulder”??? This is a “leap of logic” to the extreme. How can you call this equal? A legal tackle on the QB, versus an illegal and dangerous foul? There is a reason Tripping is Illegal. Because it is dangerous, and players get hurt. Yes, quarterbacks are vulnerable, but they are afforded some extra protection by the league.
Also, any overstep by a defensive lineman on a QB hit can result in not just a costly penalty, but big fines and even suspension. Tuck was probably going make a good, clean football play. Romo may have even avoided a sack; we don’t know. But you can’t accuse Osi and Tuck of any wrongdoing, much less of busting anybody’s shoulder.
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