Giants News: Kenny Phillips may be done for the season
[UPDATE NO. 2: It's all over 'Twitter,' from Mike Garafolo, Pat Hanlon, Ralph Vacchiano and others. The Giants have placed Kenny Phillips on IR and have been awarded safety Aaron Rouse off waivers from the Green Bay Packers.]
[UPDATE: There seems to be a lot of mystery about Phillips right now, and whether he will go on IR or not. Tom Coughlin is dancing around the KP question, and there seems to be an expectation that some type of roster move will be made later this afternoon. -- Ed V.]
Ernie Palladino is reporting that Kenny Phillips may have to go on injured reserve due to his knee injury.
From Ernie Palladino: (click link for full story)
The second-year safety and former first-round pick, who grabbed two interceptions against the Cowboys this past Sunday, might be placed on injured reserve soon, according to someone informed of the coming transaction. The person requested anonymity because the transaction hasn't been announced yet.
While this is bad news, I think we can all agree it isn't totally unexpected. We all know his knee was going to be a year long problem, but it is starting to sound like the pain is just too much to make him effective.
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F&^k
Damn this not good news at all… I thought he was going to have a breakout season… We dont have anybody to replace him with….
Damn...
This is one of the worst news of the year for the Giants, period.
Yeah, we like NFL here in Brazil.
Brown
Is the plan to have Brown start then in his place? I have to say that idea scares the crap out of me. I’d like to think we would pick up someone to shore up our secondary. Starting Brown worries me. Not just because his coverage & tackling abilities stink, but he seems to enjoy getting us penalties.
umm
whos gonna play safety??
we dont have a secondary…
we better go out and sign somebody..
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
we won a super bowl
without a secondary basically. Gibril was good but couldn’t cover. As long as the pass rush is there, we’ll be fine.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 24, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions
Gibril Can't Tackle Anymore Either
If you saw the Monday Night game he was an absolute discrace.
who cares?
we had a secodary. Phillips and Johnson were damn good.
This sucks.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
In my opinion
This is better to have happened now, than toward the end of the season. Now there are options since the trade deadline hasn’t come up yet. Brown (strong) and Johnson (free) will have to do for now.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 24, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
One step forward, two steps back!
Boley comes back, Kenny plays, Tuck gets hurt and now Kenny presumably goes to the IR! I guess nothing should be surprising anymore.
uh
tuck being down for a few games, especially the games coming up, we can deal with… we have enough depth on the line..
with our secondary.. our CBS are ok..
but safetys? we have three… if phillips goes down, we have two..
michael johnson and cc brown..
now we really need to go out and sign someone..
LET'S GO RANGERS!!!
crushing news
Phillips is fantastic and underrated. It looks like the obstacle to overcome this year will be injuries.
You play to win the game!
C.C. Brown...
I find myself constantly sticking up for C.C. Brown…he hasnt’ shown me much to justify it but I trust this organization.
The giants could have kept their 6th or 7th round draft pick instead of Bruce Johnson…heck they could stayed with Travonti Johnson instead of Bruce…but they didn’t.
that’s a clear sign that this team can recognize and evaluate talent.
Yes, C.C. looked bad in Preseason…so did Bruce Johnson.
But that’s to be expect in a new defense and after having missed a lot of playing time last year.
at the same time, i think a move for a S is needed…we can’t go on w/ 2 safeties…and i can’t really comment on the kids on the PS
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
this is worse than any injury on the d line
the only injury in the secondary that would be worse than this is corey webster. this is terrible news, we’ll only have 2 safeties if this happens. coming off a 2 INT game, just hitting is stride, i was expecting big things from kenny. i am anxious to see who the giants pick up and how, whether they sign someone or make a trade. i am not confident in CC Brown at all. this injury, along with the plethora of our other defenders on the injury list, has me really worried.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 24, 2009 1:17 PM EDT reply actions
damn this sucks
we could easily win the super bowl this year if we could just stay healthy. i hope jerry makes a smart move signing a replacement
when did this injury occur?
i didn’t see him get hurt in the game.
So much for the giants Defense holding down my fantasy team.
it happened in pre season...
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
KP
Has been dealing with a knee injury since training camp. He has been on-again, off-again trying to ‘manage’ the discomfort. Apparently, it has gotten to a point where he can no longer tolerate the after-effects of playing.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 24, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Moss
He sucks at everything else think he might be able to play saftey? lol if not cut him and sign someone quickly…
Moss won't get it done... Mediocre WR's are a dime a dozen.
If I’m an opposing GM with some depth at safety and the Giants reach out to me, there’s a good chance that one of your backup D Linemen is better than what I have, and that’s what I’ll be asking for.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
Does the knee require surgery? If not I’d prefer waiting this out a little longer and sitting Phillips for a good chunk of the season. I know wasting a roster spot on an inactive player sucks, but I hate players going on IR unless they have no shot at returning. Didn’t Osi say e felt he was capable of returning before the end of last season?
it looks like surgey is needed...
the problem with resting him mean he still takes up a spot on the roster and we still only have 2 safeties…if we call someone up for the PS that means someone will have to be cut or waived.
"If you don't know what you're doing... just rush the quarterback" - LT
Yeah, plus, you could get away with that if you had more depth at a particular position
That’s why i like the idea’s of a new IR system. How ever it’s structured, atleast teams can compensate injured bodies for healthy ones and they’re not lost for the season! Who’s to say KP couldn’t play after our week 10 bye? That’s two months of rest and treatment!
It Has To Do With Salaries
It would mean expanding rosters, which would mean more money to the players. I’m sure the owners would do it if they could get giveback from the union in other areas.
the packers just cut aaron rouse
he was a 3rd round pick out of virginia tech a couple years ago, he’s a decent option. i’d rather have him out there than CC
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 24, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions
looks like i was dead on with rouse
i should be the giants GM hahaha
by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 24, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not understand
why the Giants did not do more to shore up this position after they let Butler go. Most teams carry four safeties. We came out of pre season with only 3 even though it was clear that Phillips was at risk of missing at least some time. Maybe the thinking is that one of our corners can play safety (Terrell Thomas perhaps). But oops, with two cornerbacks hurt that’s not an option for another week or two at least. This just seems like bad planning.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 24, 2009 1:54 PM EDT reply actions
What about Gribril?
Everyone in Miami seems to hate Gibril Wilson…. He’s obviously not as good as we thought he was, but we know that he knows the system, and has excelled in the system in the past….
I feel like we could get him from Miami for cheap…. what do you guys think?
If this may be the case...
Everyone in Miami seems to hate Gibril Wilson
If i’m not mistakened, they have him at FS?! I really don’t understand why they moved him there? He’s a decent tackler but his covering skills are questionable. I’m thinking the FS should have decent range. Afterall, he did lead the Raiders in tackles last year, but that can be easily broke down why. So i don’t know why they cut him?!
But, i think in the Giants system, there really is no true strong or free safety. It’s either left or right, depending on what the call is!
gibril
didnt gibril sign with the saints?? i could be wrong…
As a fan of the Flames
I just hope for Ranger fans he stays healthy, since he did that all of one season while in Minny (benefiting the Flames with his absence).
First that nasty Bucs cheerleader and now this...
I’m starting to get depressed visiting this website…
shit.
shit shit shit shit shit
shit
shit
by NYer in a strange land on Sep 24, 2009 2:43 PM EDT reply actions
Trade options
Our best option maybe to trade a 2010 late pick and maybe Moss or Wilkinson for someone we like.
With a 2-0 start and the other contenders (Eagles, Panthers etc) struggling I feel an agressive move now will help come the season end.
What do you think?
by G Fan in England on Sep 24, 2009 3:02 PM EDT reply actions
I like it...
as long as we get someone who is decent in coverage and not just another one that can help in run support, but sucks in coverage.
Francessa now confirming it.
SHHHHEEEEETTTT
"We were very much aware of that. There was a lot of phone call-type things going on in the room." -- Tom Coughlin
Really
His Sauces confirmed it
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
well that would be a reason to hope that Phillips isn't going in IR.....
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 24, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
Will Demps??
As far as I know Will Demps is available and he would know the system. We have to sign someone.
NO!
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 24, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Ed
very strange interview with TC
Q: What is going on with Kenny Phillips?
A: There are a lot of circumstances involved here. And I am not at liberty to say anything at this point.
Q: Medical circumstances?
A: Yeah. Well, all circumstances. There are other things involved. There are other circumstances surrounding – not just Kenny – what is going on around – and I am not at liberty to talk about that until those other issues get settled. That is the best I can do for you today. I’m not trying to duck your questions. I’m just telling you that there are other issues.
Any Confirmation on this yet?
This is a HUGE blow to the Giants and very upsetting. Has anyone received confirmation on this report yet? I cannot believe all of the injuries we have this year. This is crazy!!
GO NY GIANTS!!
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Hopefully the coaches can turn him around?
And maybe KP can tutor him a little bit. Ugh.
I hate, HATE, HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATE IR
HATE IT!
OMAHA!
OMAHA!
It's official
Giants put Phillips on IR and claim Aaron Rouse.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 24, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions
I have just had a thought
Even though we have just claimed Rouse, have a think about this idea?
It was mooted in the offseason that Boley had the size, speed and ball skills to play S.
Well guess what, we need someone to play safety so why not Boley.
We have the depth at LB (as Boley missed game 1)
So this maybe is the reason we only carried 3 safeties.
Anyone care to agree or disagree
by G Fan in England on Sep 24, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions
I think that's a possibility
I’m just not sure I’d want to see him in any coverage scheme where he had responsibility for a wide out, because while he’s got great coverage skills for a linebacker, I’m not sure he can cover all aspects of the safety position.
by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 24, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
It's just too difficult to learn a new position that quickly...
Not happening. If Boley had an entire preseason to work at safety, I’d say maybe, but even then it’s not that easy.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
Keep the front seven intact
this will make it easier on the defensive backs and boley can use his speed and coverage skills on the elite tight ends in the nfc east.
They could play a 4-4-3 or 4-3-4
with Boley covering the TE or the 8th man in the box against a standard pro set formation – you then sub the LB with a DB against 3 WR sets.
How about Boley covering the QB in the Wild Cat…
by G Fan in England on Sep 24, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions
How about Boley running the wildcat?
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 24, 2009 8:31 PM EDT up reply actions
And here I was worrying about
someone going down on the O-line. BTW, G fan in England, congrats on coming up with good brainstorming ideas. Both of the ones you propose are worthy of serious consideration. I’m eager to see what JR does. Does anyone think he’ll stand pat with Rouse? I suppose he might, but I doubt it. He’s a very calm guy, though, not given to panicky/emotional/dramatic moves. TC’s cryptic comments are intriguing. Almost as eager to find out what they mean as I am about JR’s strategy.
This is
deflating after such a great win. I trust JR and the Coaching staff to make the adjustments to deal with this situation.
He was really coming into his own and playing well for being hurt.
Guys, guys
Why are we going off the deep end talking crazy stuff like moving Boley to safety? The safeties will play safety, the linebackers will play linebacker … the Giants won’t do anything nuts. Yes, it’s a big loss. The Giants aren’t the only team that will lose good players. In truth, it’s up to the front 7 to make plays and keep the pressure off the DBs, that’s really the bottom line.
Ed - all I said was
Boley is going to be the same as most strong safeties in the league – so on certain downs he can play the postion without the defence suffering a drop off. He can still blitz etc.
If the front 7 and in particular the front 4 do their job he will not be exposed any more than Rouse or Brown would be, plus no doubt he is a better tackler.
On passing downs you will get the DB’s in and Boley reverts to LB.
As I said just a thought and JR/TC will have probably thought about it as well
by G Fan in England on Sep 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah, again, the voice of reason.
Thanks, Ed.
Then again, as
G fan explains the “move to safety” it’s not quite that, nor is it a particularly wild idea. Reading about Rouse, though, I’m wondering if JR has already done all he needs to.
The thing is
Boley is 6-3 and 223 and Rouse is 6-4 and 230…
GB tried to convert Rouse froma LB in college to a S in the Pros.
So I personally would feel happier with Boley playing SS than Rouse…
by G Fan in England on Sep 25, 2009 3:58 AM EDT up reply actions
Boley was brought in to give some speed to a slow LB core
One of the problems last year was that none of the LBs could cover TEs like cooley and witten and they couldnt keep up with westbrook coming out of the backfield. why complicate the two positions by having boley move to safety. have the front seven bring the pressure and have the safties be like centerfielders in baseball. it won them a superbowl before.
Damn.
You know, I was almost gonna make a fanpost on how the Giants Kenny Phillips almost annymously picked off 2 passes on Sunday….we might actually finally have that great Miami U saftey we were dreaming about…
THen this. My jaw dropped when I saw it and I still got a queezy feeling in my stomach. I mean, he’s not one of those top players on the team, but he’s a second year guy and a very important part, he was leading the team in tackles I think.
I don’t know what else to think.
I saw an Eagles fanpost during training camp after all the injures they had, it went sort of like “fuck you, we’re winning anyway”.
After all this crap happening to this team, I’m feeling that way right now.
What the f$%k is the internet?
Rouse isn't the total answer..
We are in deep doo-doo across the secondary now..JR neeeds to do more to sure up this weakness..We visit Brees in a few weeks..and anybody can pick us apart passing at this point…and hold your breath on the OL..So far they are holding up..Our DL has to stop the run too they stunk against Dallas…We have alot to worry about on defense now across the board.
Id think Phillips could be back and raring to go
in around week12 or something like that (That’s 9 weeks….), IR is a horrible rule.
Kinda like that whole rookie pay-scale thing, this is another thing that needs to be addressed (tho probably is more tangible……)
I really hope CC Brown doesn’t make Leftwich look like the Top 10 pick he was supposed to be. COnsidering TUck is probably out too, that’s a good size hit to the pass rush too.
Here’s to Osi being pissed, Kiwi showing up in Tuck’s absence……
AND NO MORE INJURIES!
What the f$%k is the internet?
Everyone chill out
Yes we lost Alford and Brown in the Preseason and Phillips has gone on IR.
Tuck as a result of a foul is banged up and a number of guys are not at full speed or yet to get on the field.
However, the position is not as bad as it seems, as the starting offence is still intact, the defence is not as bad as it looks stats wise and even Tynes went 4 for 5!
So let’s all step back off the ledge, get the next two games played and hopefully win both and then take stock.
by G Fan in England on Sep 25, 2009 4:03 AM EDT reply actions
Thank you, G Fan
This is why you build a deep roster, and why we should be thankful we have Jerry Reese.
by Ed Valentine on Sep 25, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions
And thankful for this year's schedule.
(Not that I’m taking anything for granted.)
offence? defence?
Are you a Yank in England, or a Limey fan of Big Blue? It would be nice to know we have (the beginnings of) an international fan base.
"whence"
methinks the use of the terminology obviates the question.
(LOL, methinks)
by NYer in a strange land on Sep 26, 2009 9:30 AM EDT reply actions
Maybe,
but I want to hear from G fan himself.

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