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'Kudos & Wet Willies:' Kicking the Cowboys edition

Impressive. That's the best word I can use to describe Sunday' night's 33-31 victory by our New York Giants over the Dallas Cowboys. To win in that environment -- opening of JerryWorld, record-setting crowd, trailing until the final drive -- is a tremendous achievement.

Let's review as we always do, 'Kudos & Wet Willies' style.

Kudos to ...
  • Lawrence Tynes: Nailed the game-winning 37-yard field goal -- twice. Barely made the first attempt right after Dallas coach Wade Phillips called one of those ridiculous last split-second timeouts. Drilled the second one right down the middle. Tynes made 4-of-5 field goals, missing only what should have been a chip-shot 29-yarder. You guys might not want to hear it, but Tynes is probably the perfect kicker for this team. An imperfect guy who drives you up the wall, but always seems make the kick that counts.
  • Eli Manning: Drove the Giants 56 yards in seven plays, starting 1st-and-20 from the 15-yard line, for the game-winning field goal. Did you really have any doubt that Eli would get the Giants into position to have a chance at the end? I didn't. Manning was a brilliant 25-for-38 for 330 yards with two touchdowns and no interceptions. Considering Tony Romo's brutal 13-for-29 with three picks on a day the Giants' pass rush rarely got near him,  how can anyone argue right now that they would rather have Romo as their quarterback?

Star-divide

  • Mario Manningham: Cris Collinsworth more or less anointed Manningham the Giants new No. 1 wide receiver during Sunday's game. I am not quite ready to say that, but the second-year player from Michigan is quite a player. Ten catches for 150 yards, including a beautiful juggling touchdown catch, a 49-yarder and lots of yards after catches on quick screens. A few more games like that, and he will be drawing double teams all the time.
  • Steve Smith: What can you say about this guy? You might argue that Wes Welker is just as good, but there is not a better slot receiver in the game. Smith also had 10 catches, totaling 134 yards. Short, long, third down, around the end zone, he did it all. The move Smith made to get open on his 22-yard touchdown reception was as good as you will ever see.
  • David Diehl: Did you hear DeMarcus Ware's name called more than once or twice? I didn't. Zero sacks for the Cowboys after eight the last time the teams played, and Ware was not really a factor. That isn't all Diehl's doing, but since Ware lined up over him most of the time he sure had a lot to do with it. We keep trying to move this guy off left tackle, and he keeps doing stuff like that.
  • Bruce Johnson: A Pick Six on a brutal throw from Romo. The undrafted free agent has now made a positive impact two weeks in a row. By the way, give a HUGE assist to Antonio Pierce on Johnson's pick, for changing the defense at the last second and leaving Romo throwing into a coverage he did not anticipate.
  • Kenny Phillips: Please, Giants fans, include Phillips' knee in your prayers every night. The guy can hardly ever practice because of a lingering knee injury, but he sure can play. A pair of game-changing interceptions, and seven tackles, which tied him for the team-high with linebacker Michael Boley. A couple of those were beautiful open-field tackles that saved big plays.
  • Michael Boley: An outstanding Giants' debut for Boley, the free-agent outside linebacker. He tied Phillips for the team lead with seven tackles, and did an excellent job in coverage.
  • Corey Webster: Roy Williams, Dallas' No. 1 receiver, caught one ball. Yeah, this Webster guy is pretty good.
  • Jeff Feagles: No punts off the scoreboard for the old man, but three punts downed inside the 20. Feagles will retire some day, but before he does the Giants need to clone him. As far as punters go, no team has ever had a weapon quite like this guy.
Wet Willies to ...
  • Green Zone offense: The Giants were 0-for-5 Sunday night inside the 20. Yes, one of those was the game-winning drive for a field goal, but they are now 0-for-8 on the season in those situation. That failing nearly cost them Sunday night, and eventually it will. Seems the best tactic is to get big plays from Manningham and Smith BEFORE they get to the Green Zone. The Giants tried running, they tried throwing and they flopped at both. I don't know what the answer is right now, but they need to get touchdowns and stop leaving points off the scoreboard.
  • Run defense: The Giants were absolutely abused by the Cowboys running game. Thank God Romo was doing his Brad Johnson/Brooks Bollinger impression every time he threw the ball. Every time the Cowboys ran it I was holding my breath hoping it wouldn't go for a touchdown. The Cowboys ran for 251 yards on 29 carries (an astonding 8.7 yards per play). I don't know what is going on with the run defense, but the Giants have been gashed for big plays two weeks in a row. They have to do better than that to be the dominant unit they are supposed to be.
  • Flozell Adams: Old 'Trip' Adams knocked Justin Tuck out of the game with a very cheap tripping penalty. He almost got another one later in the game, I think on Osi Umenyiora. That's cheap, amateurish stuff -- especially when there is no way it was accidental.




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I wasn't loving

what I was seeing from Osi and Boley as far as the running game. That’s where MBIII and Jones were killing us in between Guard and Tackle on that side. Something to be corrected.

by DoctorK16 on Sep 21, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Romo

deserves a wet Willie cause with him sucking so bad no way we win this one.

by DoctorK16 on Sep 21, 2009 8:04 AM EDT reply actions  

If...

its always an if.

If the Giants don’t stall in all those red zone chances, this is a blowout too.

What would you rather do? Give back the TO’s and give the Giants TD’s in their redzone chances?

Its the same score no matter what. Dallass got breaks too as the Giants did. The game was won on a final FG. Even matched game, better team with the better QB at the end came through. That’s all.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 8:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Which "breaks" were those Dallas got?

I admit Romo played poorly, and we made way too many mistakes to win a big game like this, but you can’t say that the Giants didn’t get all of the breaks in this one.

The Giants offense was the difference in the game though, they just abused our secondary.

by sduncan24 on Sep 21, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

So why

Was Phillips not given his Int TD?

Why was Adams not flagged more or even ejected for his trips?

Were the officals doing their bit so that JJ won his home opener.

by G Fan in England on Sep 21, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

the game was badly officiated, generally against the Giants

whenever the officials blatantly and clearly F up a call that costs your team 7 points, and you have to go earn them again, that’s enough. ANd I was looking for more pass interference calls. The one by Newman was blatant — what was he crying about? He basically got in front of Smith’s route, turned into him, and hugged him to stop him from running his route.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Of course the other team's fans never think they got any breaks...

but you got plenty of breaks.

There weren’t any turnover breaks for you, when there could have been a few INT’s. Giants got bigger breaks I got, but I don’t think you can say the Cowboys got no breaks and the Giants got all the breaks.

The game was 33-30 and the Giants didn’t play perfect football, not in the least bit.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't i tell you sduncan24

to take Roy Williams off your fantasy team because Webster was comming to town???

Mama there goes that MAN

by Shks on Sep 21, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

how about only 6 points in the Red Zone for the Giants?

That’s pretty big.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 21, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Shame that one catch for Williams

was a backbreaker, almost. Webster usually makes that tackle but didn’t and it damn near killed the Giants.

Big props overall to the team for winning with all these injuries. Another casualty is Tuck now, hopefully he was just kept out as a precaution (tho Im always a scared to hear the news with injuries to guys like Tuck).

But hey, we got Eli Manning. Maybe all that stupidty about how stupid it was to give the richest contract in the league to an ""average QB""…is well, plain stupid.

O-Line and Diehl get big credit for protecting Eli. I don’t think the running game is a concern, the 2 teams we faced are about as good as it gets as far as run stoppers, regardless of how Dallass did in week one.

And the run D too is not a concern yet, even if they did get gashed two weeks in a row. Remember 2007 when they were horrible? These 2 weeks remind me a whole lot of those weeks.

Except the fact that Eli is now an elite QB and we can over come that.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

oh yea....

WE GOT HAM!

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 8:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

i love this

Mama there goes that MAN

by Shks on Sep 21, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

There are few things in sports more gratifying than seeing the Giants beat the Cowboys. For them to do it in “The House That Ego Built” in its Grand Opening, and in last second fashion is simply incredible. Honestly, this one goes into my Top 10 all time favorite Giants games.

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 21, 2009 8:18 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

had a playoff sort of vibe to it

one of my personal favorite regular season games now, this one was a classic

by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 21, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

The House That Ego Built...

That’s priceless, Jim; comedic gold.

In Reese We Trust

by jmark82 on Sep 21, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Seconded

Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Sep 21, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

right on, Jim

I would actually put this on a par with the playoff win.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

I will tell you what's more gratifying

I went to Hooters here in Cabo to watch the game, brought my 3 year old son who loves the giants, the place was quite empty (it was really hot, is an outdoor bar) as soon as I walk in two cowboy fans who looked at me and told me, “you better not wear that cap here” and “you better take that off”. I kept my mouth shout since my kid was with me, I moved to the bar just to stay away from those guys, but they were yelling and yelling and sometimes at me…. even the managers were upset. But how sweet it was at end, as soon as Tynes was making the field goal they were walking out the bar, they did even had the balls to stay and watch it. That Jim was sooo gratifying. I know not all the cowboy fans are like that, but those sure fit the prototype

by Bajaserge on Sep 21, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

it really amazes me

at how brutal people can get over such a trivial thing like sports, looking to start a fight when you have a small child with you? that’s just asinine. i went to an eagles game at the old vet with my father when i was young, and i remember beer bottles being thrown at us and generally being scared shitless. no place for that in entertainment.

by cntrlalt on Sep 21, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just to show the other side of fandom

I went to the local beach bar to catch the early games and wound up hooking up w/ a Cowboys fan. Jabs were exchanged, as were beers, and a good time was had. Especially since we both teamed up to annoy the Steeler fans in the house (they’re rampant around these parts), and yes, it was still in good cheer.

Also, many of us were commenting live watching the game and immediately after there were more than a few very classy Cowboys fans from BTB that came to honestly congratulate the victor of a hard-fought tight football game.

Just thought I should give a shout out to these Cowboy fans to keep things even. It’s always great to remember that we’re not just fans of our teams, but we’re fans of the game.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I have a some friends who are Cowboy fans, they even call to congratulate me, but those two guys were really annoying, that is why it was very gratifying at the end.

by Bajaserge on Sep 21, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

What a difference four weeks makes

This time a month ago most of the Giants press coverage and posts related to the unproven WR corp and bringing Toomer back.

Now, suddenly, no one is saying anything bad about our passing game, Mario is picking up YAC’s, Smith is catching most balls thrown his way and we still have Nicks to return from injury and Barden to master the step up in quality to the NFL.

I am not looking at this through rose tinted glasses, but perhaps this is the best WR corp the Giants have had since Eli has been on the team and possibly from when I have been following the Giants (1983).

by G Fan in England on Sep 21, 2009 8:19 AM EDT reply actions  

these guys are quick and get open...

it was one of the primary problems I always saw with Plax and Toomer(at least when Toomer got older). Shockey when he was here too.

Hixon is not a big WR either, don’t underestimate him. Hakeem Nicks is good too. Oh yea, Barden and Beckum can be nice weapons.

And Ham and Smith are what they are.

Yea, may just be the best WR corp we’ve had in a long time.

Also doesn’t hurt that our QB is one of the best in the game (and I will never understand how he doesn’t get more credit for what he does)

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think Hixon is a better KR and 4th WR than a starting WR.

Can I be the first to call Smith and Ham (great pic) our 1.5 receivers (not no1’s but better than no 2’s)

by G Fan in England on Sep 21, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hixon can be excellent

See : 2nd Redskins game last year.

I really think him and Manningham are interchangeable. Tho I would have to say, Manningham is very good with the YAC, and he catches the deep ball.

I’ve seen Smith and Hixon get open on that deep ball plenty of times, only to see them drop it.

Its only 2 games, but Manningham is becoming an all around threat. What a steal he’s turning out to be.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

Manningham

The way that guy breaks tackles is ridiculous. There was one play where Eli threw the ball right to him, and Manningham was about to get hit for a loss, yet somehow he dodged the tackle. I can’t remember who came after him, but the way he shook that defender left me speechless. That kid is astonding.

by RolloT on Sep 21, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm looking for the announcer to call it like this:

The snap. Eli back, in the pocket… Manning … HAM! First down, Giants

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was Orlando Scandrick

I think I’m more frustrated with his play in this game than I am Romos. I’m pretty sure I counted 4-5 missed tackles exactly like the one your talking about. It looked like he was trying to put a big hit on the reciever too often instead of wrapping up and getting the sure tackle – but I gotta give credit to Manningham, that kid is slippery.

by BigTTech on Sep 21, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Credit where credit is due can be distributed equally to both teams

But as i read this morning the threads over at BTB’s, the goat was simply Romo the majority of the time. He wasn’t out on the field for the last drive, or he wasn’t the one giving up 20 receptions to two different receivers. Yes, he did throw 3 picks, Jones had a crucial fumble and the defense collectively wasn’t able to stop Eli on the last drive.

It’s too easy to play the blame game to an individual, but just like when giving credit equally, the blame can be just as equal!

by Hootman on Sep 21, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

I’m surprised at how they’re crushing Romo over there.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm one of the few guys left who still has faith in Romo

But for a lot of Cowboys fans, this performance added onto the heartbreakers last year (Baltimore closing out Texas Stadium, Philly taking the last playoff spot) , the playoff losses of the last few seasons, and the playoff drought in general really does wear you down and give you doubts about Romo and this Cowboys team’s mental toughness in general. Especially with the high standards we hold them to. That being said, there are still plenty of us who believe in where this team can go.

Congrats on your win, though. I absolutely hate to say it, but Eli and your WR’s were as clutch as it gets on Sunday. I can only wish every Cowboy had the heart of a Barber.

by Joon on Sep 22, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think the reason eli gets no credit

based on a conversation i was having about the game last night, is that people who don’t follow the giants or don’t really understand football don’t understand the differences between systems each team uses. last night a guy said “peyton would have audibled to a longer pass, that’s why eli will never be as good”. but that’s just not the case, its a different system where the colts allow peyton to do things like that. gilbride sends down the play and eli has to run it or check to a limited package of plays available to him.

by cntrlalt on Sep 21, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Green zone offense: Play action

As someone commented in the game thread (forget who), a couple of years ago Eli was becoming one of the best play action QBs in that area of the field. What has happened to it?

Anyway, absolutely great game by Eli. To do what he did in that stadium with that crowd & do it like he was playing flag football in the back yard …. amazing.

by potroast on Sep 21, 2009 8:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

That was me

and I can’t help but wonder why Gilbride hasn’t noticed this and made it a priority. During the run in 08 I saw some spectacular play action fakes that gave Eli tons of time to stand in the pocket. Play action helps the running game too, in my opinion. The only downside is the time when Eli has his back to the defense during the fake.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 21, 2009 9:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think it's hard

to run play action when you can’t run the ball. Nobody is getting fooled. Plus, if the safeties are cheating up to the line anyway, really they’ve done half the job for you already.

by rzor on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think the Giants have to be able to run the ball first. Then, they have to find ways to get the ball to Boss or Beckum in those areas of the field.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 21, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, but

even in games where we run well Gilbride has forsaken the art of deception.

Besides, play action would be worthwhile right after even one big run. We had a few of those last night even though our running game was off. A case could also be made that defenders who see a play pass fake might hesitate just for a second or two, which may help whatever play is called.

by giant fan since 57 on Sep 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Exactly

One doesn’t necessarily have to be done before the other … run helps the play action and play action helps the run. It clearly needs to be utilized in the red zone because everyone knows that the Giants are just going to try to pound it down there.

by potroast on Sep 21, 2009 10:56 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also...

To prevent another sack-fest by the Cowboys, i believe they wanted Eli in shotgun formation more, so he could see the field more and see the alignments. I think this was part of the gameplan as much as the Cowboys plan to stuff the run.

by Hootman on Sep 21, 2009 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Can I just say...

… I am dreading the Cardinals game most of all now? Not because the Cardinals necessarily scare me, but because it will be another horrible night of NBC’s awful coverage. Apparently, somewhere in between talking about how big Cowboys Stadium is, how magnificent the jumbo tron is, and comparing Jerry-World to the Pyramids and the Taj Mahal, there was a football game being played. A wet willy really seemed necessary for some of the worst football coverage I’ve heard. I don’t care how magnificent this stadium is; it will never be as important as the game being played inside of it.

The studio team was no better. I stopped watching the half time show the moment Tony Dungy said the Cowboys were dominating the game. I hate accusing anyone of a bias, but throughout the game there was very little coverage on the Giants team as a whole. My biggest complaint would have been them calling Corey Webster our "best" cornerback. Sure, I agree, but I usually find it helpful if you explain why he’s our best. Maybe the fact that he shut down Roy Williams almost all night?

Sorry, I don’t enjoy that kind of ranting, but that coverage was awful. If I didn’t enjoy crowd noise and the ambiance created by the sounds of the game I’d have just muted the TV for the entire game. Otherwise I really enjoyed this game. Not seeing the running game take off hurt, but I loved seeing Eli get over 300 through the air. I have one particular Cowboys fans who enjoys talking about how Eli isn’t good through the air. Can anyone tell me if the Giants wideouts are still an area of concern, because they were clicking on all cylinders from my eyes.

Overall, great game. Dramatic finish, some great plays, and yes, Lawrence Tynes has officially earned himself a reprieve from all mocking for the next week. He earned it.

by RolloT on Sep 21, 2009 8:38 AM EDT reply actions  

im not dreading that game...

…caus ill be at it! no chris collinsworthless for me!

by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 21, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

G-Men won

but the use of “green zone” should be avoided, as that indicates it is a place to score Touchdowns. Until the Giants earn the right to use said term (by actually, you know, scoring TDs), it should be referred to as the Red Zone (which means FG attempt on most cases).

by brisulph on Sep 21, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions  

bri

do you feel bad for picking the COwboys to win now?

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hell of a game!!!

Eli looked fantastic. To all the doubters that said he never carries us to victory, there you go.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Kudo

Hey can we get a kudo to Romo? Without him we lose.

by Lucky7 on Sep 21, 2009 8:50 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

I don't think anyone said they'd rather have Romo instead of Eli

I think people said they’d rather have better quarterbacks than Romo instead of Eli. Romo sucks.

by JoshNY on Sep 21, 2009 8:57 AM EDT reply actions  

How a bout a wet willie

for the Giants’ front office for not trading players and picks to get Braylon Edwards or Anquan Boldin. It should have been obvious that without a dominant number one receiver Eli could never put up any passing numbers.

Obviously, I’m being sarcastic. But it’s amazing how quickly, the Giants have proven all the pundits wrong — even with Hixon and Nicks out, Eli’s found lot’s of targets and is punishing defenses that load up the box to stop the run. And if defenses drop their strong safety back into coverage, watch the running game explode. Now if we could just get the defense healthy.

I hate to complain after a win, but why is Danny Clark on the field so much? He’s largely invisible, and he certainly wasn’t doing anything to stop the Cowboy’s running game. It’s disappointing that Kehl hasn’t beaten him out. Frankly, I’d rather see Blackburn in the game. Maybe if Sintim ever fgets healthy, he’ll get Clark off the field.

Anyway, great win despite the poor run defense and the abysmal red/green zone performance.

by Tucker Fredrickson on Sep 21, 2009 9:10 AM EDT reply actions  

Kehl

Well, if Kehl hasn’t beaten out Clark at this point it tells you a lot about Kehl.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1

It’s only been 2 games, but this young receiving crew’s hands have looked like GLUE … honeslty, get Nicks up to speed and Hixon out there and this crew is better than our corps from the past few years.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

I still don't get

why Boss isn’t used in the green/red zone. Any ideas? Maybe lack of quickness? He’s certainly got adequate TE speed.
We’ve got to get the running game going before we start playing in those Meadowlands winds that we’ll see at some point. It looks like we can be a passing team team until that happens. I really believe that our current crop of receivers will prove to be the absolute all-time Big Blue best.

by blue gonz on Sep 21, 2009 9:17 AM EDT reply actions  

Why not more generally?

His one catch showed nice hands. He gotta match up nicely somewhere

by StubsNY on Sep 21, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree,

but they had great success throwing w/o using him as a receiver in other parts of the field. I think he was a big part of the reason Eli wasn’t sacked once by slowing Ware down a step or two.

by blue gonz on Sep 21, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Boss

In retrospect I should have given him kudos. The Giants did largely sacrifice him in the passing game to keep Ware off Eli’s back, and it worked.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 21, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because of D. Ware

I think they kept Boss in to help block D. Ware. NBC showed Boss chiping him a few times during the game so maybe they continued that in the green zone. I agree though I thought he would be the big red-zone guy this year. I think they should try that quick pass to Manningham in the flat in the red-zone he always seems to get away from the corner and make a play

by Landeta on Sep 21, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

that Gilbride needs to watch film of the Falcons-Panthers game. Mike Mularky really knows what he has in Tony Gonzalez and puts him position to either make plays or to block. I’m not saying that Boss is anywhere near the level of awesome that Gonzalez is, but he’s proven to be a major asset to this team and needs to be utilized to his maximum ability. Atl really schemes well and gives Ryan a chance to make a play.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

that reminds me

with all the cowboys arse kissing last night, the nbc guys in the booth said jason witten is hands down the best TE in the game. don’t get me wrong, he’s a great player, but shouldn’t gonzalez at least be considered close to his level if not better

by bmanley620 on Sep 21, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

No

There shouldn’t be any consideration. TG has been the best for years, and now he’s the most productive TE of all time. Even at his age, he’s still the best. First ballot HoF.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I should also point out

That while we all want Gilbride to use Boss more and to use more screens, that doesn’t mean we want a screen to Boss. What was that? I hate how he’s not using the right personnel in the right situations. That bad pass to Hedgecock n that screen to Boss should be Bradshaw all day. And he should be going to the edge more than Jacobs. Yet I saw him going up the middle way too much, where that’s Jake’s territory.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

that screen to boss would have been successful

if not for a couple of penalties. i liked the play call, it was one of the few times boss got a look

by GiantsReignSupreme on Sep 21, 2009 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wet Willie to Wade (or a Giant Kudo)

There is nothing good that can come from that last second time-out. If Tynes misses, he gets another shot. If he hits, well, he had a good practice shot. Seriously, the second kick right down the middle, the first.. not so much.

by StubsNY on Sep 21, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I wish

that Tynes had missed that first kick and then nailed the second. As it goes, he hit both and Wade still looks like the confused coach that he is.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

Final Drive

I know what I was thinking after that holding penalty but Eli was cool and amazing during that drive.

by JG131 on Sep 21, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Good Job

Under the circumstances, considering the grand opening of this mega stadium, record attendance, past president and other notables in attendance, the Giants could have folded and gave up this one, but with heart and determination they pulled off this win without a real running game and no big name receivers. Good job guys.

by rbman3 on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

IMO......

The play of the game (or call of the game), had to be AP changing the coverage just seconds before the Johnson pick 6. We may talk about him losing a step or not being able to keep up with Westbrook, but is there any doubt who the QB of that D is. That was a hell of a call by AP. Perfect counter to Romo’s audible.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen

AP really knows what’s going on. When we played the Jets in preseason, even w/ him sidelined w/ injury, he was all over the D as if he were a coach. When he finally decides to hang up his cleats, we need to get him a clipboard.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great game

but DAMN I dont know if my heart can take that every week. It was ounding that last 3:40.

And how about a kudo to Bradshaw for abandoning the play fake mid play and picking up the block to save Eli’s butt. That was a great play.

by daveh873 on Sep 21, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions  

I hear ya

After all these years the Giants always played like this. Surprised all of us not on blood pressure medicine.

by rbman3 on Sep 21, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Great Win

Obviousley I’m worried about run D and injuries but I’m still pumped about this win. The TV coverage of the Cowboys is a joke. Wheter its Monday night against Philly a year ago, Baltimore on the NFL network to close the stadium or last night the coverage is totally biased towards the Cowboys. It seems as if JJ is always parading around Cowboy greats and his team looses. The new Yankee stadium did not get this much attention when they played the first game in it, my god I’ve never seen the networks so in love with a good but not great team. Do you guys remember coming back before halftime NBC showed a clip of Romo, Barber, and Whitten then a quick clip of Eli. You would of thought Dallas was winning 24-0 it was 20-17 Giants! What a joke I’m so glad the G-Men pulled this one out JJ did not sleep well last night!

by Landeta on Sep 21, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions  

Horrible Coverage

…oh, well, it wasn’t all bad. It’s not like they compared Jerry-World to the Great Wall of China or anything. Oh wait…

As for their quick clips, yeah, but I chalk that one more up to none of the Giants big names (or at least how the media preceives our big names) making huge plays. Jacobs was ineffective, and neither Tuck nor Osi had a big play to showcase. My hope is that after last night they will work to get the new Steve Smith and Manningham some clips of their own so that such an oversight will never happen again.

by RolloT on Sep 21, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

No big plays...

but constantly hurrying Romo.

Sacks are nice and Shiny, but hitting the QB after he throws or throwing off his timing by getting pressure works too.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That stadium was a gaudy, overhyped HOT MESS

Can’t wait till ours opens. Bet the Giants don’t get the big overhype for their opening. In any event, it was good to rub it in their faces.

by MJ20 on Sep 21, 2009 10:04 AM EDT reply actions  

It was great to rub their faces in a loss

but I’m not going to front on that new stadium. It looks awesome and I for one would love to watch Sugar Shane Mosley vs. Money Mayweather on the largerst HDTV in the world.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Text Messages received and sent during the game

In order from Start to Finish

Me: Most rediculous introduction ever. Check

Friend: Mic not working. Check

Me: Worst president ever in attendance. Check

Me: Jerry Jones picking his nose on camara. Check

Me: Worst Halftime show. Check

Me: Fat Chick holding a sign. Check

That covered most of the game. Thought I’d share.

by Woogie526 on Sep 21, 2009 10:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Faith Hill

You forgot Faith Hill’s opening “performance”. She really blew me away with her choreography of standing in one spot and tapping her right foot. They just don’t have performers like her anymore…

by RolloT on Sep 21, 2009 10:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

I used that time

To go to the bathroom before kick off.

by Woogie526 on Sep 21, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Faith Hill

I never miss a chance to see Faith in those boots. Love em. Don’t care if she just stood there. And i didn’t know Jimmy Carter was at the game. Must have missed him.

by JG131 on Sep 21, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Jerry, We Just Love The New Stadium"

2nd worst sign ever?

i did see a sign at the Jets game that said “R-E-X, REX, REX, REX!” it’s cute how fired up Fredo is about their 2-0 start.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 21, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

JJ picking

ha ha I saw that too, I watched the Simpson’s until kickoff and I purposley missed most of halftime because NFL TV coverage is flat out garbage. I wish I wasn’t such a Giant/football fan because I can’t stand listening or watching NFL games.

by Landeta on Sep 21, 2009 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

James K. Polk made the trip?

Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!

by bigbluethruandthru on Sep 21, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

In Defense of the Run O

I think Wash & Dallas are totally disrespecing Eli and saying you have to beat us through the air and we don’t belive you or your WR’s can do it so it’s 8 or 9 guys in the box and man on man on the outside and Eli’s lived up to that contract the first two games. As bad as the run O has been the Giants have been very good in third and long the first two games because Smitty and Manningham are beating man coverage and Eli’s getting time. It will be interested to see how TB plays the G-Men considering both Dallas and Buffalo threw all over them. I agree with Ed I’m not ready to say Manningham is the “new #1” but his speed and quickness seem to create match up problems and he demonstrated great consentration on the ball last night. I was down on him in the preseason but he has been very good through 2 weeks.

by Landeta on Sep 21, 2009 10:07 AM EDT reply actions  

i love that Manningham

is really coming into his own. he was such a big-play guy at Michigan, it’s good to see some of that translate to the pros.

we need to change the term of the Green Zone. it should probably be the Dead Zone (like the crappy Verizon commercials). 0-for-8 is embarrassing – i don’t have the stats in front of me, but i have to imagine that the Giants of the past five years have been one of the worst Red Zone offenses in the league.

it feels good that 11 years, 9 months, and 24 days after the Cowboys’ last playoff win (12/27/1997), that the Giants could go to Dallas and ruin their home opener.

it’s frustrating living in a place like Indy and watching the Cotls convert about 98% of their Red Zone opportunities, and then see the Giants settle for 3s or 0s.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 21, 2009 10:14 AM EDT reply actions  

The Dead Zone

I suggested that name earlier. Until we start scoring TDs, it should not be called the Green Zone. We’re leaving to many points on the table. This is going to come back to haunt the team if this isn’t corrected soon.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

we sucked on both sides

in the Dread zone. Cowboys seemed to have no problem punching it in when they got close.

by M. on Sep 21, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Red Zone O

and run defense seem to be the team’s main problems right now.

The Run D I can say is cuz of Sheridan dialing up too many blitzes and guys being out of position. Too many times I see Pierce or Phillips or Johnson darting up the middle or wrong side even, than Barber ran right past em.

I really think that’s all it is. Canty coming back, the secondary getting healthy (so the LB’s don’t have to worry about coverage as much) will only help

As for the Red Zone O? I think that a fade to Barden, or at least put him in the game down there, couldn’t hurt. Maybe spilt Boss or Becks out on the side.

Couldn’t hurt, not like anything else is working….

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions  

agreed

and I’m not looking to make more excuses for the Run D, because dallas did run it down their throat, but it was about 90 degrees out there and I think they got winded late. (So did Cowboy’s secondary) I also think they wanted to prevent Romo from making big plays down the field so they the safteys deep on a couple of plays. Think about it everytime Romo and dallas beat the G-Men it’s because Romo hits some big plays down the field. Last night and in the playoff game in 07 Dallas established the run but did not get big pass plays and the Giants held on. Who knows but they need to work on it and get it fixed.

by Landeta on Sep 21, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's what i'm thinking

To compensate for an injured secondary, your going to sacrifice your LB’s into coverage, which then you’ll have to rely more on your front four. Besides, what Dallas did to T.B. through the air last week could solidify my thought. Afterall, everyone thought (well some) that Dallas was going to shred the Giants secondary!

by Hootman on Sep 21, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

..it happened before too where the Run D has been gashed, in 2007 I remember. They fixed it then and I think they will again. Sheridan, and Coughlin for that matter, I think will be able to fix it.

The injured players returning and also the ones out there now like Boley and Phillips getting time to practice and gel, will only help.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Manningham

on that little screen in the RedZone he always seems to shake that D-Back and make a play maybe try that pass, he seems quick enough.

by Landeta on Sep 21, 2009 10:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

AP

AP continues to impress with his awareness on the field. Someone mentioned the audible for the pick 6 already. Did anyone notice when the Cowboys were trying to line up after Phillips’ first pick, AP took his helmet off and stood at the line of scrimmage to make sure it got reviewed?

by miketosh on Sep 21, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

AP.

Its cliche, but he really is the heart and soul of the defense. I also heard him scream out “its a draw” on a draw play on 3rd down, and they sniffed it out to force a punt.

He gets caught in coverage, he’s not all that good there. But to be honest there are only a handful of MLB’s that are overall better than him. I highly doubt that there are any that are smarter either.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

What he lacks

in coverage or talent, he more than makes up with his brain. The guy knows how to set that defense. He’s going to make and excellent DC one day.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

He went undrafted because of his lack of speed...

But became a star for his work ethic, his preparation, and his leadership. Just another great linebacker to join the ranks of great Giant linebackers.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe this

I feel like after last season, there was like an 85% push on this site to have AP drawn and quartered… and I’m sitting here arguing with a lot of youse guys that he’s the brains, heart & soul, whatever you want… Glad the AP hate has stopped, but wait until he gets burned by Westbrook and you’ll all want to trade him for a 6th-round pick again

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

He's def gotta go into coaching

after he’s done. He knows this game too well. I believe we picked up Boley to be the speed/cover LB. After a while, things should even out and we should get back to what we know we should be defensively.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 2:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Did anyone else notice...

Bradshaw become the primary back as the game went on?

I liked it…he’s a small guy but he moves bodies and (as NBC LOVED telling us about Felix Jones last night) is a “home run” threat with his speed.

And what the hell has gotten into Eli, all of a sudden he’s impossible to sack??
He’s been very mobile within the pocket the last two weeks.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 10:29 AM EDT reply actions  

Eli's grown up before our eyes.

The guy just seems too poised back there, like the morning after a good night of sex, he wakes up and everything just falls into place, without a care in the world.

Hella glad this guy is the QB of my team, and definitely happy to seem him earn every cent of his contract (cuz he earned a lot of it yesterday).

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

It definitelty felt different last night.

We weren’t relying on the run, we were relying on Eli…it was not something I’m used to, but definitely something I could get comfortable with.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 10:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I thought they could have done it in week 1 too

I think all year team’s are gonna sell out on the run and force Eli to beat them.

Well, maybe not all year. They are gonna realize that Eli and these WR are legit eventually. They gotta realize that its not so much that their secondary is teh suck, its that the man can flat out sling the ball.

I think it’ll be a weird year in that the passing will eventually open up the running.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I gotta tell you...

Gilbride has really impressed me between the 20s, not that the whole Red Zone inadequacies are on him, but people are clearly expecting the G-Men to come out running, and Gilbride is calling some great passing plays early and often to get Eli’s confidence going, and keep the defense guessing. If you watch the week 1 game again you’ll actually see Jim Zorn go “Wow…” with a down right confused look on his face after the Giants went to a five wide set on the first series.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gilbride has always been damn good before the 20 yard line

its actually how he got the moniker KillDrive, cuz the team marches down the field like there’s no defense on the field, gets inside the 20 then…..Viagra wears out or something cuz no one knows.

It really isn’t him most of the time, its failed execution. But there is a lack of creativity down there.

I can’t understand how I watch teams all day on Sunday do it.

Its just amazing how the Giants look scared to punch it in. You’d think the offense should have the D on the ropes down there, when it has seemed the other way around.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions  

You gotta believe if they can figure that out...

They’re the best team in football.

They just outscored one of the best offenses in football while going 0-5 in the Red Zone.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

0-8 in the red zone

but 2-0 in the division. who would of thunk it a couple a weeks ago.

by JG131 on Sep 21, 2009 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Who would've thought that Eli would be the one shredding the defense...

And Romo would be the one defending his job this morning.

A wild start to a wild season.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder too

if it’s starting to become a mental block for them because of this little streak… that they’re letting it get bigger than it is instead of just gearing up and getting there.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

He does a great job sliding around the pocket

But he is taking huge hits after throwing..Ware hit him one time and I couldn’t believe he got up..

by Bobbiblue on Sep 21, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Same injury that's keeping Sam Bradford out at Oklahoma

Eli played through in ’07.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

It was a great game..

That stadium is state-of-the-art..and one thing about Collingsworth..He is a good judge of receivers..so if he thinks Manningham is #1..I saw it..I didn’t hear him say it because we were there in the stands..Smith was also outstanding. ..Kudos to Cowboy fans for being so gracious when I walked in wearing a Manning jersey with my wife (I’m too old for that jersey wearing stuff but she bought it for me)…She was in her Cowboy garb..It was electric!! in there!! and all the fans were great. If I had a gun I’d have shot Tynes for missing that 29 yard chip-shot..He went from Goat to Hero though at the end..that ball was snapped prior to Phillips calling a time-out..Romo stunk, but their running game almost killed us..Our running game stunk.(break out the “worry beads”).but I’ll take Manning over Romo anyday..Manning is unflappable when the game is on the line..and he was getting whacked after every throw..big time..He’s tough!!..I hope they fine that Adams heavily for his intentional trips..they were obviously dirty..He took Tuck out and tried to get Osi..He’s a filthy bum..Our OL did a great job as usual, but Jacobs still has a tendency to try to break his runs to the outside..that’s stupid..He needs to run it up the gut and punish defenders..Geez!!..Boley looks like the real deal.He played great…didn’t see enough of Sintim..don’t know why..I think our secondary did awesome despite the injuries we have back there..I don’t think many teams are going to want to throw at Webster either after watching the first two games, they will want to stay away from that guy…Finally, it was fun watching Jerry on his TV set cheering like a kid, only to see his face change colors watching his team get whooped in the final four seconds!!..haha

by Bobbiblue on Sep 21, 2009 10:47 AM EDT reply actions  

When did Eli start taking ballet lessons???

It was a very short completion but I still loved the scamble/spin-o-rama that Eli pulled off.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

that was impressive

it was like he turned around and didn’t even look. He knew Smith was there. He just chucked it. Yes, it resulted in a fourth down but the million dollar man is easily living up to his name. what an impressive performance last night.

In Reese We Trust

by jmark82 on Sep 21, 2009 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

beer commercial

anyone see the girls in the bib overhauls ?

by stumper123 on Sep 21, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

I bagged on AP last year

but he was great last night at his usual adjustments on field.

The one play that impressed me that he is in better shape though? The TD to the TE for the Cowboys… where Blackburn is on the TE and Pierce blows by him and actually got there just a smidge late. He may not have knocked the ball out, but his read and speed on it was really impressive. AP has convinced me he is not the same waste we saw late last year, and he does seem to have some better fitness going to boot.

by brisulph on Sep 21, 2009 11:17 AM EDT reply actions  

to be honest...

he was hurt at the end of last year and an injury that usually slows players down.

He was never the most athletic guy, but it does seem he worked his tail off in the offseason to come back better than ever.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

Red zone receivers

I think the issue for the Giants is that their receivers are small and quick and very difficult to handle when they operate in space. Unfortunately, we saw them get muscled a number of times by the Cowboy dbs when they get in the redzone. Without the space to move in they are easier to handle. Defenses load up to box to stop the run and let their dbs go one on one. The Giants need to get Barden and Beckum into the redzone mix and throw to Boss down there as well. A few pass receptions by the tight end will force the lbs and fs to back off.

by duffer50 on Sep 21, 2009 11:22 AM EDT reply actions  

Maybe the Plax issue got to him

We all know when we have something on our mind we do not work as hard as we could.

I guess the mental toll played on AP last year which effected his performance.

by G Fan in England on Sep 21, 2009 11:23 AM EDT reply actions  

we need a better nickname

the ham…? nah, i’m not feeling that. we need something a little more catchy, as long as he’s going to be catchy on field, you know?

by wilddre22 on Sep 21, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions  

If he continues to play

the way he did last night, we can call him Super Mario.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

better, although penguins fans may be a little peeved. M&M? Double M? The Man?

by wilddre22 on Sep 21, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

nah...

to not totally diss the pen fans, how about Super Mario 2k9.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ham.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 21, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't steal that from Mario Lemieux

Dude was arguably the best hockey player EVER (if not cancer stricken and back suffering, he could have outscored Gretzky). That name belongs to him like how LT belongs to Lawrence Taylor (regardless of what some RB out in SD thinks).

by brisulph on Sep 22, 2009 8:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

That was his name at Michigan

I’m a Michigan fan so I watched him all three years. In his time in Blue, he was played second fiddle to Steve Breaston and Adrian Arrington in his time and still managed to outshine both in the end. Simply put, he makes the big plays. When he was on the board in the third round, I knew the Giants were going to grab him. I’m so glad to see him get his chance to shine, and even more happy to see that, thus far, he’s making the most of it.

But we were all touting Hixon last year and he did fall back down to earth at the end of last season, too. 2 games does not a season make.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

But he didn't have Manning passing to him at MEEchigan.

Manning to ManningHam.

And who doesn’t like ham (well, if you don’t, your a stinking Cowboy fan and you know it :)

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

well I aint the biggest fan of eatng ham....

but as for watching him on the field…I like HAM now.

Plus its usually baked isn’t it? Fits well with Mario……

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 22, 2009 8:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Red Zone and Run D

We are 2-0 with problems to fix. This is actually good news. Coughlin is not going to allow the Giants to soak up this win. We have major issues of concern facing the Run D and our pathetic Red zone O. We must focus going down to Tampa Bay and improve both of these key portions of the game.

Wow Ham and Smith really impressed out there last night. As far as our running game goes. Gilbride came out very aggressive and we threw the ball down the field well. When somethings working don’t shy away from it. We passed the ball more than we normally do but it was working. Of course if this game had been played in the swirling winds of the meadowlands we might be saying something else…

by wangstu13 on Sep 21, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions  

can anybody tell me...

how our guys continue to win with how hard the injury bug has hit us. it’s un-freakin’-believable that we’ve beat these two tough, division teams and take 1st outright in the division 2 weeks into a season with SO MANY important guys not able to play.

Hence my signature

In Reese We Trust

by jmark82 on Sep 21, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck..is involved here...

That pick off of Wittens foot by Phillips I think was “luck”…It even fooled the refs..they blew the whistle, otherwise it would have been a pick-six…Manningham’s aerobatic catch for the TD was awesome…I couldn’t tell on either play…but thanks to Jerry’s new TV Set…You could see them clearly…

by Bobbiblue on Sep 21, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

Manningham's TD was not luck

Just watched the highlights. He really had to reach out and make that catch. It was concentration and athleticism, not luck.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 21, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Luck, the shape of the ball

Adds an unpredictable aspect to bounces… He bounced the ball around and was lucky that it was still in his reach while on the ground…

Still, incredible play.

Luck is part of the game.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Sep 21, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

Chando

you been wrong about everything man
Ham stayed with that ball even through to the end of the play as it was bobbling around. Determination, focus, and not quitting, and great hands, made that play

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 22, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

better, although penguins fans may be a little peeved. M&M? Double M? The Man?

by wilddre22 on Sep 21, 2009 11:44 AM EDT reply actions  

g men barely pulled it out, you should be thanking romo ,cause your offense truly sucked.

by spurzztop on Sep 21, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Dude, you need to get HDTV

Offense put up 26 points. Eli passed for 330, 2tds, no pics. 2 100 yard receivers. The better team won last night. Take it like a man.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

Very Constructive...

You should dive deeper into this in a fan post.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

he's right

your right….thanks Homo!

by wilddre22 on Sep 21, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

All morning

I’ve been thanking Romo, Wade’s defensive scheme, the Dallas secondary, their stone-handed receivers, and a crowd that didn’t know to keep quiet when their own offense was on the field.

by rzor on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

And here I've been thanking...

Eli Manning for playing perfect football for four quarters only to cap it off with yet another game winning drive, Manningham and Smith for stepping up in a time when we needed WRs to step up while our “number one” was hurt, and our offensive line for not allowing a sack…

I should have known the Giants didn’t do anything to win this game, the Cowboys just did everything to lose it (rolls eyes).

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sucked

Damn that Mario Manningham BLOWING it on that huge touchdown catch! And that Steve Smith! What kind of third year player goes in and catches 10 balls for ONLY 150 yards? What, was a sixteen yard per average just too much for you!?

Thanks for setting us straight spurzztop. We almost let the divisonal victory in your stadium cloud our judgement on how horrible we are on offense. BENCH ELI! HE ONLY THREW FOR 330! GAH!

by RolloT on Sep 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our running game sucked..

Romo sucked..I don’t see how 330 (Manning no picks two TDs) yards passing and a QB who doesn’t get panicked equates to a total offensive failure..Your running game was great..It takes a calm cool QB to get the job done..Romo can’t handle game pressure when it counts the most…He’s proven that time and time again…Your defense stuffed our run because our backs were not hitting holes that you could drive trucks through..Our team needs to work on that..Our backs are trying to constantly break to the outside..We have a 270 pound Jacobs that should be running up the gut running people over like a train..That lucky early whistle on the pick and Tynes missed chip-shot from 29 yds away prevented a blow-out

by Bobbiblue on Sep 21, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yet you lost.

so who’s offense was worse?

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

After seeing the success of guys like manningham

I begin to love Jerry Reese more and more. Another thing, Jay Ratliff is the best defensive player on the Cowboys. He is always blowing up a play in the backfield, that play on Bradshaw on the swing pass was ridiculous, he’s a stud.

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by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 21, 2009 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

run game? run defense? whats it matter?

Honestly, the Giants showed what everyone said they couldn’t show.,,a passing offense that can win games for you when the run game is snuffed out. The Cowboys did the Giants a favor by overstacking against the run and Eli stood with total confidence in his arm, his brain, and his young receivers and won the game! IF they coulda even hit 50%in the red zone, they woulda won by 14.
As far as the run defense, the Giants did the opposite for the Cowboys. They were worried about their pass defense so the Giants overplayed the passing game and challenged the Cowboys to run. They did superbly, but the Giants were missing key run stoppers on the line. So overall, I give the Giants the edge in positives from this game, but both teams honestly came out of it with some things to feel good about.

by AlStar9111 on Sep 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

some things to feel good about and some things to worry about.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

The run defense, last week was fine

minus the first play of the game, it shut down Washington in that regard.

It was pretty bad in the first half last night, but it didn’t get AWFUL until the second half after Tuck went out. I think getting him back next week, and getting Canty back whenever that is, will re-solidify the group and it will be fine.

by Caseys Kiss of Death on Sep 21, 2009 12:57 PM EDT reply actions  

And I thought I hated the Cowgirls before.

What a bunch of bush-league cheap shot-taking, whiny little babies. The only player on that entire team I’d take is Marion Barber. That guy runs hard – he had a lot to do with making our run D look bad. (So did the incredibly overrated AP.)

But enough bitching. How awesome is it to pin an “L” on those pansies in their own McMansion!? It’s very awesome!

You know what’s more awesome? Eli Manning down by a couple points late in a game. There is no, repeat no quarterback I’d rather have with the game on the line. Could Saint Thomas-of-Brady deliver yesterday in the clutch? With Randy Moss to throw to? He could not. ELI! FREAKIN’! MANNING! He sucked last week. He was brilliant this week.

Manningham – a player.
Steve Smith – cash money.
O-Line – Playing Giants Football, my friends. That is Giants Football.

Stoked!

I left my swagger in my other pants.

by HughG16 on Sep 21, 2009 1:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Without AP

Our defense goes from top 10 to bottom third.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

WOW

2 horribly wrong ideas Id think only a non-Giants fan would say.

AP is not overrated, he’s incredibly underrated.

And Eli Manning did not suck last week. I don’t even know how to explain the ways that is wrong.

Other than tha, on point I guess….

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 1:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

How about we start with...

Completion %
Third Down Completion %
Over 250 passing yards in his first game with a new receiving crew against a top five defense.
And most importantly, got the “W”.

Cutler sucked last week, Romo sucked this week, Eli hasn’t done anything other than prove his worth in these first two games.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 2:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

Since we play a 4-3

Ratliff and Ware would not be as valuable, but to say only Barber is good? Craziness.

by brisulph on Sep 21, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

His defensive audible that led to the pick 6 tells his worth. AP is one of the best defensive QBs in the league.

by njgiant on Sep 21, 2009 1:20 PM EDT reply actions  

I think Feagles's son

is punting at UNC… There’s our clone right there.

"When you go to other parks, they hang banners for the wild-card or Eastern Division or Western Division champions. Around here, they don't hang anything unless its for being world champions."

-Chili Davis

by nck228 on Sep 21, 2009 1:43 PM EDT reply actions  

boom.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agrees with

AP is a stud. He runs that Defense.

by wangstu13 on Sep 21, 2009 1:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Rush O

I wasn’t really counting but was Dallas stacking the Box with 8. Because that will likely stop happening to us if Smith and Hammy keep up the heat.

by wangstu13 on Sep 21, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions  

Is it fantasy football?

That has everyone up in arms about Eli? He’s not gonna light up the board week in and week out. He’s just gonna win games. Period. He’s getting pretty good at these 4th quarter drives. Gotta admit, when the game’s on the line, he’s the man I want.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 3:04 PM EDT reply actions  

I personally don't care if Eli throws for 330 yards or 130 yards....

as long as the W is in hands.

Keep in mind, there wasn’t all that much YAC going on, maybe on those HAM YACers, but other than that, it was all his passes.

Eli simply did what he had to do to win. He threw it to the open guy, they caught it. Whether he has a 4000 yard, 35TD 10INT season is pretty irrelevant to me as long as they win ballgames (but it would be nice to shut the haters up)

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Scott Van "Melt"

is talking about the game last night. Impressive stat, Giants r 16-3 in their last 19 road games. T

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions  

very impressive...

reason why I got my #91 Tuck in all white.

And as a side note, doesn’t that mean they are 16-1 with the white jersey’s on? Cuz they did lose 2 to the Pies in 2007, but those were with the blue jersey’s on, cuz Jerry likes his servants wearing white in his house…..

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

I got my Eli in white...

The day after the NFC Championship game.

Wear it every Sunday (and have yet to wash it this year).

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very same here

I’ve been looking forward to wearing it this season. But the way teams r wearing white at home this year, it might be a while before I get to don the Tuck.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 4:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

wife got me a white Strahan

Love that woman

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 22, 2009 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Props to Smith

That move he used on the touchdown route completely left the defender in the dust. Regarding how they ran against us, I’m sure we were set up to prevent Romo from going off. Which we did a great job of, at the expense of letting them run. But it paid off in the end.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 21, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Super Mario's getting a lot of well deserved love,

but can’t knock what Smith keeps doing. The man is consistent and u know he’s gonna be there on third down. They both ran some beautiful routes last night. Go ahead, double one of them.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Smith is beautiful to watch.

He runs his routes like a 10 year vet, Eli can literally (as he showed last night) do a little dance in the pocket, dismount with a closed eye 360 spin, throw it and know Smith will be in the right spot.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 21, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

That truly was

the most beautiful short-of-the-first play I’ve ever seen.

by YankeeDudeL on Sep 21, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

uh.. perfect K for the team?

wouldnt the perfect kicker be the guy who ALSO makes the 19 yard FGs? Tynes not the worst K in the league but hes certainly not the best either, and i wouldnt mind have a better one.

good stuff. i was a little disappointed with the LBs and the run D, particularly blackburn, who continues to prove that hes a ST guy and not a starting D guy. and i would give more praise to the entire secondary for making romo miserable even without the dominant pass rush. so glad we won after i blew off half a night’s worth of studying.

Lets hope that when gut check time comes again the Mets will pass it with flying colors.

by kendynamo on Sep 21, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Tynes pro bowl

Giants 0 for 6 in the red zone in two games, Cowboys 3 for 3 in the red zone.
Are the Cowboy players that much better than our Giants?
Giant D had to play both defense and offense in both wins. How long can it last.
This keeps up Tynes will get to the pro bowl and break scoring records for the season.

by Olddiehard on Sep 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Ramses Barden in the "green" zone

why not?

"The one thing you don't want to do is hit a home run. That's a rally-killer." -Jeff Francoeur

by RangersandMets on Sep 21, 2009 7:36 PM EDT reply actions  

it will be there at some point...

but I think their wait for this stretch of games instead of the first 2 vs. division rivals.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 21, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very nice win

Eli was stellar on that game winning drive

Manning to Manningham will now be a standard connection

I was worried about life after Plaxico and Toomer.

But after I watched Eli playing with those little kids 100 times in the NFLnetwork promo I said – hey, Manning can work with young receivers

by WarWolf on Sep 21, 2009 9:05 PM EDT reply actions  

i'm a giants fan living in dallas

and have had to listen all day as to why the only reason the cowboys lost this game is because of tony romo… now, i can’t argue that romo had a horrible game and was the main cause of the loss, but the giants did alot to win this game, particu larly Eli… the Giants did control the game for 35 of the 60 minutes and outgained the cowboys 425 yards to 375 yards…
 
As I tried to point out to cowboy fans, while boys were committing four turnovers their defense was responsible for creating none… in fact, through two weeks, the cowboys d, is # 30 of 32 teams in terms of yards allowed… they have zero sacks, they have zero fumbles recovered (in fact zero forced fumbles) and zero interceptions. They are the only team in the NFL without either a sack or a takeaway…

If they continue in that vein, they will struggle all year….

by GiantInD on Sep 21, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions  

yes, but...

Yes, the cowboys were pretty putrid defending the pass and probably just decent at defending the run. Zero take aways and no sacks spells disaster for our defense. However, there are two general principles that most football minds think are paramount to success… run the football and stop the run. In that sense the giants only put up 97 yards total and allowed 250ish. The boys have a good running game so its not unheard of but if the gmen continue to give up 250 on the road most teams capable of that will beat them.

Also, I have heard nothing but praise for eli and all the receivers. I completely agree with the accolades for Eli, I have never though much of him but he has just proven to me that at this very moment he is a much better big game quarterback than Tony Romo. The WR corp did a great job making plays most of the night but i saw them lacking in certain departments. Run blocking appeared to struggle a little from this group, they are small and quick which makes coverage tough. But, Plax and Toomer were both very good blocking wideouts the helped to spring big plays. Also, in the redzone the pretty meek dallas secondary was able to keep up because the WR’s size again appeared to be an issue.

Great win for the Gmen and they deserved it, but saying that everything was dandy isn’t exactly an honest assessment. WR’s might not end up being a big issue especially if they can keep producing like this. The run defense could be a real leak in the defense though as the season progresses if not patched.

by SDTrueblue on Sep 22, 2009 6:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Run D has been a problem before....

and given that the Giants have a ton of injures…also a ton of proven talent…and a new coordinator that ran a sell out blitz on every one of those big runs….

Concern right now? Yes. More than likely going to be fixed at some point? Yes. Team is too good and not 100% right now to think otherwise.

BUt I 10000% agree on the fact the running game is hurting cuz of the WR blocking abilty. The Giants always run on the stretch to the outside, but its just not there. The Cowboys and Skins have big corners too, probably bigger than HAM and Smith.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 22, 2009 8:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Cowboys fan here, congratulations on your win

You deserve the kudos coming your way. No excuses here, you guys were the better team Sunday. Here’s hoping we play each other twice more this season.

by mdlusk on Sep 22, 2009 8:35 AM EDT reply actions  

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