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Land of the Giants: Are roster moves coming?

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  • Teams around the NFL are likely to make some roster moves in the next couple of days. With Week 1 by the boards, it is now less expensive to pick up veteran free agents since they can be released later on with less financial obligation. The injuries to Ware and Hicks, and maybe even Ross, might cause the Giants to scour the waiver wire a little more closely. Here are lists of the best offensive and defensive free agents available. Anyone on those lists you find really appealing? Ernie Palladino has some thoughts on possible roster shuffling.
  • Gotta give Tom Rock of Newsday some props for this one. T-Rock went to the effort Sunday of charting snaps for each of the Giants defensive linemen. Here are the totals he came up with.
Player Snaps Position
Justin Tuck 40 23 DE, 17 DT
Osi Umenyiora 39 DE
Mathias Kiwanuka 37 DE
Chris Canty 23 22 DT, 1 DE
Barry Cofield 22 DT
Rocky Bernard 21 DT
Fred Robbins 19 DT

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Washington ran 50 total plays. That's a pretty good rotation, and it should help keep guys fresh all season. Kiwanuka, especially, should be happy with those numbers. Basically, he is playing as many snaps as Tuck and Umenyiora.

You know all those wide receiver questions about the Giants. Well, at least one Sporting News columnist in convinced there is nothing to worry about.

Welcome to the '09 Giants, where a star system at wide receiver is no longer in vogue. Four different Giant receivers caught at least one pass Sunday during their 23-17 victory over the Redskins. Steve Smith (six catches, 80 yards) led the way, but Mario Manningham (three catches, 58 yards) had the offensive play of the day, eluding defenders, tiptoeing down the sideline and scoring his first NFL touchdown.

"I was just trying to get to the end zone," Manningham said. "It felt good. There'll be many to come, hopefully."

If Manningham is correct, the Giants will be tough to deal with. We know they can play defense. We know they can run the ball. But we do not know if their young receiving corps can carry the load, now that Burress and Amani Toomer are ex-Giants.

Instead of a go-to guy, the Giants now have a go-to group. Utilizing receivers, backs and tight end Kevin Boss, quarterback Eli Manning completed passes to seven teammates, distributing the ball like a point guard. Granted, none of the Giants' current receivers have Burress' total gifts. But they are hungry, they are developing chemistry with Manning and the competition for playing time is helping all of them improve.

"All summer, everybody was asking, 'Who's going to be the No. 1, who's going to be the No. 1?'," said Domenik Hixon, who had one catch for 10 yards. "We've got seven guys who can play. Hopefully, they'll utilize all of us. You can't just focus on one guy, because then somebody else will step up."

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Nicks injury

Palladino isn’t sure about the injury—suggests it could be worse than we’re hearing. Don’t like that.

by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 15, 2009 6:49 AM EDT reply actions  

M Evans

Ed

I see the Bucs have cut M Evans – do you think the Giants will try and sign him to the practice squad?

The shame about Nicks injury is that he got hurt reversing field after the catch. You can do that in college but as they say in the Pro’s everyone is fast, so not only did Nicks lose some yards but he ran into trouble. A rookie mistake and hopefully if he will return in a few weeks.

If Ware is out for a couple of weeks we can survive with Jacobs (20 carries) and Bradshaw (15 carries) a game unless we suffer another injury.

If teams still single cover our WR’s, then as long as Eli has time to throw one of them will be open…

by G Fan in England on Sep 15, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Evans

I would think that would be a possibility. As for RBs, I think they at least need to bring Allen Patrick off the practice squad to have the extra body.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2009 7:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

I never thought Id be just fine with Eli

throwing more during a game…but I am. As long as they did what they did against the Skins and Eli stays poised in the pocket, he’ll do fine.

Id really love for Barden and Becks to gets some play time tho. Might help with that whole Red Zone thing.

As for Evans, if the Bucs cut him….what’s that saying? Is he really all that good, or was he just going against the Giants crappy second and 3rd stringers?

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 15, 2009 8:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Practice squad

They did say they were going to put him on the practice squad but he was claimed off waivers by Tampa.

It may be that Tampa just need the roster space because of injuries.

by G Fan in England on Sep 15, 2009 8:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

If TJ Duckett...

still has some speed and wants to block for the pass rush, he might make a good option for the slogging yards on short yardage (since Jacobs seems incapable over the last couple years). Of course, he may want too much cash, in which case Patrick is the more obvious option.

by brisulph on Sep 15, 2009 7:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Duckett might be nice

doubt it happens, but he’s a large man. I doubt he’ll do any better on short yardage than Jacobs (maybe its cuz there are 10 guys in the box?)

Allen Patrick overall might be more effective. I would have rather seen him on the actual squad for kickoffs, he’s very fast.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 15, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

RBs/Nicks/Cuts

G Fan – I don’t know how smart it would be to only have 2 active RB’s. That seems awfully risky to me.

hope – No disrespect to Palladino, but I’d rather get my medical information from better sources like the team doctors who said he’d only be out 2-3 weeks.

The DL snap chart is awesome, I hope they show this around the locker room, should quiet any hard feelings about starting (Kiwi, I’m looking at you).

As for cuts, I think there are two coming and my picks would be Wilk for Boley and a backup OL for Allen Patrick/FA RB and I think Whimper is the most expendable. If he was going to be a serviceable starter on OL, we’d see more by now.

by TNYFBG on Sep 15, 2009 7:57 AM EDT reply actions  

True

I agree it is a risky option given Jacobs history to just have two active RB’s – but if Ware is only going to miss two weeks I would chance it and not cut a player now.

Maybe Moss can run the Wildcat to take up the spare RB carries.

by G Fan in England on Sep 15, 2009 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't know what their planning on with the secondary

but I think that they need another body there. Only rolling with 3 CB’s and 3 safeties (tho CC Brown’s more like a LB) wasn’t the end of the world, but in a game where there should be more passing this week, it could really hurt.

Bruce Johnson may be the next Derrick Dockery tho, another nice find. He played real well, he’s a burner too.

I read off that list that Chris McAllister is still looking for a job. I don’t know what they could do as far as a roster spot, but if its possible maybe they take a look? Its said he’d have to move to safety too…that’s not a bad thing for the Giants.

I had no idea Robbins played that much. Didn’t hear his name at all, but that’s usually typical FredRob. THat’s not a knock, Im sure he was doing his job.

On the Nicks/Ware injuries, considering I thought they might both be season enders, the fact they probably will both be out say…4-6 weeks, is fine with me.

I do wish there was some version of the 15 day DL in the NFL (or is there?). Giants could use the roster spot with all these injuries. The fact that none of them are season enders possibly hurting them more than if they were, is kinda stupid isn’t it?

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 15, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions  

DL stat chart

Yes a very impressive chart – I assume Tuck went inside on passing downs.

Just one thought – the number of plays adds up to 201 so on one play we had 5 DL – was it the mythical 5-1-5 formation?

by G Fan in England on Sep 15, 2009 8:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Yep

Just used it on one play.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

What was the result of the play?

by G Fan in England on Sep 15, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure, actually

If I remember correctly it was a passing down. They had some guys down, a couple of lineman standing and moving around. I’m sure we will see more of it.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, it was

He can be an athletic play-maker inside.

by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Given DL snaps

the 5th DT Ledzer Doubtable (sp) is expendable.

If Boley does not play against Dallas that may impact who the second cut is but I still feel it wil be an OL – Koets or Whimper.

We will know today.

Evans to the practice squad would be nice.

by MSP Giant on Sep 15, 2009 9:24 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

I agree with MSP and Ernie. Whimper and Douzable seem like the logical cuts. The Giants do need a 3rd RB while Ware is out. Also, with the money they’ve given Boley you have to expect there is some pressure coming from the staff or other players for him to at least get on the field.

by mymanren on Sep 15, 2009 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

At first glance at the free agent safeties...

I see some talent there and a couple players that I think are better than CC Brown is. Corey Chavous is up there in age but is a solid player. Marlon McCree is solid enough to backup as is former Eagle and Giant Will Demps. Basically there is enough there to roll into Dallas with more than 3 safeties.

Roderick Hood and Patrick Surtain can play solid nickel corner and either would be decent additions to the secondary. There are nice players at LB also. I wouldn’t mind MLB Napoleon Harris to give AP a break during games and would allow Chase Blackburn to play weak side backer.

by Major on Sep 15, 2009 9:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Cuts...

i’m not sure the giants really need to carry 9 LB’s when boley comes back.

For me the person to get cut is Wilkinson.

as for Leger Douzable…i think he’ll stay for now.

Look at the snaps for DT’s. Canty who has hardly even played got more time than both Robbins and Cofield….I think that’s a direct indication that those knees need more time. Not to mention I think the giants were planning on carrying 5 DTs anyway w/ a healthy Alford.

by andiamo708 on Sep 15, 2009 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

More Passes

Andi – I think that had more to do with about 5 more passing plays than running plays by the Skins in catch up mode. It seems like Freddy and Barry get the running downs and Canty and Rocky get the passing snaps.

by TNYFBG on Sep 15, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

point taken...

looks like Tuck is getting a lot of those passing downs too…he got almost as much time at DT as Robbins did. (but again…because of more passes)

by andiamo708 on Sep 15, 2009 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Where did his sacks come from??

I missed where he was lined up when he got em.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 15, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

I concur

the DL chart is really interesting, and I hope we can get that every week. I was curious to see how healthy Canty was for the game, and as it turned out he played as many snaps at DT as anyone else.

I also like the idea of Eli as the Mark Jackson of the Giants.

by rzor on Sep 15, 2009 9:57 AM EDT reply actions  

Canty will be huge this week

He’s going to be on a mission vs. his former team.
I hope we ruin their stadium-opening party!

Memo to Dallas fans:
JerryWorld? JerryLand? Both are lame.
And nobody here cares…

by M. on Sep 15, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

world/land

it’s like Disney, only without the lovable characters and fun. Also, a Disney-owned team has made the playoffs since ’96

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 16, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

From a Cowboys fan...

It’s known as “JerryWorld.” Not “Jerryland.”

_

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5

by Grady90 on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

There was supposed to be a little smiley at the end of that.

2009 Dallas Cowboys: 10-6
2009 New York Jets: 11-5

by Grady90 on Sep 15, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Old Man Feagles

at least you don’t have to worry about Jerry’s precious scoreboard coming in to play this week, so, uh, you got that goin for ya.

by TNYFBG on Sep 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL!!

Figures that Jerry would want the world, and wouldn’t settle for just a piece of it. LOL!!

by Ed Valentine on Sep 15, 2009 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mike McKenzie may be worth taking a look at at CB.

Dominic Rhodes would be a steal.

by ryanwk628 on Sep 15, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Bring back familiar faces?

If we are just looking for a short term stopgap at RB and or CB, how about bringing back some familiar faces?

Neither were very impressive in there NYG tenors, BUT RW McQuarters and Reuben Draughes know the system, coaches, playbook, players, etc. Both can be helpful on special teams (as long as RW doesn’t return punts).

This makes more sense to me than bringing in a different washed up CB that doesn’t know anything about the defense.

by DTowbs on Sep 15, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions  

Manningham!

I wish I was posting here earlier, but look for Mario Manningham to really breakout.

I went to Michigan throughout his college career (and met him a number of times), and I am telling you from seeing him first hand, he really has star potential. He had a case of the dropsies in the preseason, but he had sure hands in college. So far it doesn’t look like his size is keeping him from getting open, so I am really expecting big things.

From before the preseason, I have been predicting that by the time it all shakes out (call it midseason), Nicks and Manningham are the starters (and are hopefully stars), Smith is back to his slot/third down/key down role, and Hixon mainly KR/PR/4th WR.

by DTowbs on Sep 15, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Manningham's catch-and-run...

…reminded me of Plax’s vs. the Jets two years ago.

by New York Sports Jerk on Sep 15, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Gotta love that dance he did on the sidelines...

Showing great awareness for basically a first year player.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 15, 2009 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

From NYDNews

Giants claimed Gartrell Johnson off waivers from the San Diego Chargers. The 5-11, 218-pound Johnson was the Chargers’ fourth-round draft pick out of Miami. He is considered a powerful inside runner who was could be good in short yardage.

Cut were Reyes and LD.

http://bit.ly/u2YdE

by MSP Giant on Sep 15, 2009 6:05 PM EDT reply actions  

Guy looks like a steal...

Running back is one of those positions where it’s not far fetched to find a franchise caliber player in the 4th round. I’ve never actually seen him in action but from what I’ve heard he runs hard and with a lot of power :). I bet San Diego regrets releasing this guy when LT starts missing games and Sproles gets worn out.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 15, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

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