Examining the New York Giants green zone issues

We have to throw the ball a little bit more possibly in some of those situations

We have to throw the ball a little bit more possibly in some of those situations.

He’s so unselfish that even when the play calling needs OBVIOUS adjustments to make him more of a focal point he still doesn’t make a big deal, or talk bad on the play calling, he just states that maybe they should pass a little more…gotta love it.

Ed

You were at camp – did they practice passing in goalline and short yardage situations?

Does Eli have the authority to change the play at the LOS or does he not have the time as the Giants are always struggling to get the play off in time anyway without calling an audible?

are the shotgun on the third short, and sweeps and tosses. Their too slow developing.

is to set up plays for later in the season where they go play-action and pass to him. We all know you don’t want Hedgecock in those situations.

I agreed with your analysis, or rather, you agree with me, because this is what I was saying in Sunday’s post-game post.

Like some of the others said, I’m not huge on the sweep on the goal line. I see the biggest problem being that every DC in the league would expect the Giants to run with a great OL and huge back so they’re stacking the line and are always +1 in blocking personnel (Eli’s counterpart), so there are always going to be 2 guys looking for Jacobs, who’s hard to miss. I think that’s why they tried AB down there, hoping he could hide behind a lineman, find a little crack and squeeze through it for the yard or two. I’d expect some play action this weekend against the ‘boys. Two FGs inside the 10 ain’t gonna get it done against a real offense.

Whimper was a TE correct?

make it look like he’s blocking and than throw it to him.

They used to do that with Hedgecock but he’s got hands like frying pans…they did w/ with Darcy Johnson last year too. Boss as well.

I just feel like the giants telegraph their runs plays so everyone and their mother knows its’ a run and the defense puts 10 guys in the box.

The Giants are more of a finesse running team though.. when a team has a good defensive tackle or two, they struggle in short yardage. On a play where you need to pull an offensive lineman, there’s no better team in the NFL at running the ball, but in these situations they’re average at best. Regardless of how well they did on offense, I thought Eli was in way too much of a rhythm last week to keep the ball out of his hands. I felt the play calling was way too predictable. Sometimes with Gilbride, it’s like Marty Schottenheimer is calling the plays. I did like some of the inventive stuff like that pitch to Bradshaw and the screen passes, but I could almost tell you what they’re going to do before they do it. Maybe they should try spreading the defense out and running out of the shotgun. That seemed to work against carolina.

Last year I noticed that in the first half of the season, when things were going so well for us Eli was making some excellent play action pass fake handoffs. I loved it because it seemed to give him a lot more time to stand tall in the pocket and pick the defense apart.

  I think the quality of our play action fakes has been neglected lately and I can’t help but believe that our red (green) zone performance could be enhanced greatly by simply going back to basics.

I think the best play pass fakes I ever saw came from Boomer Essiason.

Long time lurker, first time poster.

Anyway, watching New England last night, I am convinced that if the Giants spread the field more they will be very successful. Especially on 3rd and 1 or 4th and 1. Jacobs can still handle those short yardage carries, but by spreading the field there should be less coming from the defensive front. Jacobs could power through for a yard or 2 easily. At least the defense would have to think about a pass even if one never came.

This is what drives me crazy about Glibride: He’ll do what everyone in the stadium is expecting, particularly on third-and-short. If we’re gonna do that, then we ought to commit to it. Run behind McKenzie/Snee and Hedgecock and get that #($*ing yard. Don’t sub in AB. Or Ware. Use the big fella, run him behind a fullback and impose our will.

Or else pass. We’re certainly set up for it.

Hey, if Tommy didn’t want to run yet another I formation handoff into the heart of the D, there’s nothing stopping him from going over to Gilbride and saying so… he does have that veto power.

I’m with the spread fans. Eli makes his reads quickly, Jacobs can block any speed rusher coming off the corner, we have physical matchup problems with Boss, Beckum, Barden, could always swing one out to Jacobs in the flat as a check down. I say put Barden in one corner for a fade, Boss on the back-line cross, Smith crossing shallow the other way, Manningham on a quick curl or something on the other end, with Jacobs in to block/check down.

I don’t think Gilbride is capable of …

Jacobs rookie season? He was used primarily for 3rd and 4th and shorts, and goal line situations. And 9 times out of 10 he made them, with the same line pretty much. So what happened?

I have 2 theories. Theory 1 is that he came on the scene like the tazmanian devil, and defenders didn’t know what to do, and how deep to dig there heels in. Opposing DC’s didn’t gameplan for him either. This element of surprise allowed him to have that original success.
Theory 2: Jacobs ran harder then. That’s not to say he doesn’t run hard now, as urlacher and landry will tell you. I liken it to joba chamberlain of the yanks. Yanks fans in here know this to be true, that in joba’s rookie season when he was that 8th inning phenom, his heat was hitting 100 on the gun. Now that he is a starter(sort of) he has to sustain his stuff for 6 or more innings, so he dials his stuff down to 92-95. Still nasty, just not as overpowering. Well that’s how Jacobs was his rookie season. He knew he was in there for one play, and he knew what he had to do. He knew he had to give it all on that one play, because tiki was trotting out for the next one. Now he knows he needs to sustain himself for 20 carries a game, 16+ games a season. So he hits, but not with as much authority as that young hungry mini beast that was eager to show, prove, and demolish.

Just 2 working theories of mine….

for wilddre22-theory 3 the Giants tried to run over Housxxxxxxxxxxxx( however u spell his name). Just bad offensive play calling.

Sign a “little person” to the NFL minimum salary. Use him in goal-line situations in the backfield with hedgecock. Have Madison pick him up and fling him over the pile.
Does the name Eddie Gaedel ring a bell for anyone? He’s the midget Bill Veeck hired in MLB to draw walks — his strike zone was too small b/c he was 3’7" tall.

I was going to suggest signing a super athletic RB who can just leap over the line (BLT did that a lot in his 30 TD season, Westbrook is good at it too), but I like Simms-McConkey’s idea better.