Land of the Giants: Football on today's menu
After we seemingly debuted the Big Blue View Food Channel Thursday (Don't know what I'm talking about? See the comments in this post) I hope you guys are ready to get back to football today. I have a whole plateful of it for you.
- With the rash of recent offensive coordinator firings around the NFL I know some of you secretly (or not so secretly) have been wishing Kevin Gilbride would join the list of the unemployed. Well, KG's not going anywhere. At least, he's pretty sure he isn't. (Oh, and I know I have just opened myself up to a slew of 'Fire KillDrive' comments).
"I checked the fine print of my contract to make sure that it was OK," Gilbride said.
KG was also asked what head coach Tom Coughlin said to him about the firings.
"He said, 'Just make sure you mind your p’s and q’s. You could be next.' (laughs) No, he didn’t say that," Gilbride said. "From a coach’s point of view it is somewhat disturbing because they haven’t even played a game, you gotta give them a chance, but that is the way it is. You just don’t know – it’s like a relationship between a man and a woman. Behind closed doors you don’t know what is going on."
- Giants' middle linebacker Antonio Pierce was his typical, testy self in a meeting with reporters Thursday. Short answers, not much in the way of helpful quotes. He was much more expansive in a one-on-one chat with Michael Eisen of Giants.com, though. Here is a snippet of Eisen's conversation with Pierce, in which AP is probably more candid than he has been about his performance in a long time.
"Physically, mentally and emotionally, I am as ready for this season as I have ever been," Pierce said today. "Physically, I feel great, no problems with my foot or whatever that was (in the preseason). Mentally, I feel like I'm very sharp. It seems like the more and more the years go on, the game is slower and slower. It's like I am in the matrix sometimes in my head, I can just see things a lot slower. Being in the same defense for three years and working with the same group of guys in this locker room on defense, it makes everything easier, because I know my surroundings. It's not an uncomfortable situation, like when I came in here in '05 - for one, fitting in and two, figuring out the guys around me." Pierce led the Giants in tackles each of the last three seasons. It would certainly be four in a row had he not suffered a season-ending ankle injury in the 13th game of the 2005 season. He was a Pro Bowler in 2006 and a catalyst on a Super Bowl champion the following season. But Pierce is well aware of the perception some share that he has declined. "I thought about it hard this offseason," he said. "I went back and I watched all 16 games I played in (he missed one game with a quad injury) and it's one of those things where I can't let two or three plays dictate my whole season. I asked was I consistent, did I give my team a chance to win every week? Hey, you don't win every play. There is not a player on this team that succeeds 100 percent in a game. Good stuff from Eisen and, finally, from Pierce.
"I didn't look at this year as a redemption year. I look at it like I want to be considered as I always do, as one of the top five linebackers. You have to go out there and shoot for perfection. At the end of the day you know you are not going to get that in a game, but I have to set my standards and my goals a lot higher."
- Back to Gilbride for a second. He was, of course, asked if the process of evaluating wide receivers is still ongoing.
"It definitely is. And I think certainly a lot of questions have been answered in our minds – I don’t want to necessarily announce it to them – exactly what we are doing and who is going to be where. But I think some things have clarified themselves. Some things are still definitely ongoing," Gilbride said. " And quite candidly, I think some guys are in a position they will probably play more this Sunday but as the year goes on maybe other guys will become more and more an integral part of what we are doing. At least, that’s kind of what I think is going to happen. ...
" I think we kind of feel like they all have their strengths and they all have their areas that we still need to get better at. And so that is why, as I said, I can see certain guys right now we think are ahead, but maybe in another five or six weeks maybe some other guys that we think maybe physically can be better at that."
That's a long-winded way of saying you could see a whole lot of Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith now. And, maybe, a whole lot of Hakeem Nicks and Ramses Barden later.
- The Sporting News recently put together a panel that selected the top 100 players in the league. From ESPN's Matt Mosley, here are the Giants who made the list and his thoughts on them (my thoughts are italicized).
28. DE Osi Umenyiora -- Maybe the ballots were passed out immediately after the Giants' Super Bowl win.(Agreed. No way he is the Giants' best player).
46. DE Justin Tuck -- Way too low. At this point, I'd rank him ahead of Umenyiora. He's the most respected voice in the Giants' locker room. (Once again I agree. Osi still has the big rep, but I stand by my belief that Tuck is right now the better player).
50. QB Eli Manning -- I'd have him at least 20 spots earlier. And I'd probably put him ahead of McNabb.(Matt Mosley, you are my hero today. There is no way you can put Eli at 50 and McNabb at 22. I can see putting them in the same neighborhood, but I guess Eli will always be a guy who doesn't put up numbers and doesn't get much love).
53. G Chris Snee -- He's quietly emerged as one of the best in the league. Good to see him get recognized.(Snee is the best player on a Giants line better as a unit than as individuals).
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RealClearSports aggregates NFL power rankings from a variety of sources and comes up with the Giants as the third-ranked team in the league by their formula.
- Mosley also has five things to watch in Sunday's Giants-Redskins game.
- Chase Blackburn will start Sunday in Michael Boley's spot.
- Coughlin lends support to Childhood Cancer Awareness Month.
From the Giants:
When the Giants open the season at home Sunday against the Washington Redskins, Coughlin will wear a pin to help increase the public recognition about Childhood Cancer Awareness Month. The pin depicts a gold ribbon.
"It’s just my way of recognizing children who have cancer and what their families go through and how much support, both financial and emotional, is needed to help families that are in this predicament," Coughlin said Thursday. "There are so many wonderful and great causes. But this is one that is very close to our family. If in some way we can call greater attention to it by some small thing that we do, then so be it. I want the significance of the pin to be recognized."
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Hopefully Kehl remembers that aggressive streak sometime
and starts pushing into the rotation at LB more (like replacing Blackburn for instance). I like him, he just needs to get more physical.
Both'a'yas
Blackburn is one of the more intelligent, athletic, and bulldoggish linebackers we have right now. I think he could end up 4th on the list behind AP, Sintim, and Boley, but he’s a real asset to our somewhat maligned LB corps
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 11, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions
Player rankings
There is so many things wrong with that list I don’t know where to start. It looks like it’s totally based on name recognition rather than actual production on the field. A couple that really stand out to illustrate my point: Thomlinson at #5? Ray Lewis #11? Favre at #51? When did they take this poll, five years ago? Pretty lame.
Another rankings list that is meaningless.....
and just the fact they actually put Vick in there at all makes the entire thing irrelevant too.
As for the whole fire Gilbride before the season starts…I aint his biggest fan either, but why the hell would an actual fan of this team want that?
To me that seems like they would be throwing the towel in for the season already. Maybe there was more to it all the ones that it happened to, but that’s too many at the same time for it all to be cuz of a fight.
What the f$%k is the internet?
Broken
That Top 100 List was a joke. Big Ben at #12? Yeah, because when I think QB, I want Big Ben taking snaps over Drew Brees, Kurt Warner, and Eli—Wait!
50. Eli Manning
51. Brett Favre
How in the world do you justify putting Brett Favre just one spot below Eli? I demand to know why Eli is so low!
Oh here we go. Look who’s in the voting party: Fran Tarkenton. Me thinks he’s still bitter about who has the ring between the two.
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Disagree with the Roethlisburger thing. If Eli proved that he is an excellent QB in the Bowl run and last year, Ben definitely has proved the same.
Ben has shown he’s a better QB. But if He’s 12, then Eli’s gotta be where McNabb is.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 11, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions
+1, Let just call him Eli Dangerfield
I’m going to kinda agree with you Free. I haven’t or won’t even look at this poll because from what I’m seeing, it’s pure bullstick. Again with the Eli, McNabb comparisons. Of course Don Mc threw for more yards (he’s in a pass happy offense) but he also threw more picks and lost 3 more fumbles. Comp % and passer ratings were identical. What gives? For the life of me I can’t figure our how two guys can put up the same numbers and one guy is considered great and the other is inconsistant.
The inconsistant qb led his team to the division title while the great qb backed into the playoffs. Inconsistant qb lost his playoff game, but if I recall correctly, the great qb didn’t make it to the dance either. One think for sure….I’ll bet that the inconsistant qb knows that if a game is tied after the overtime period, the game ends in a tie.
"backed into the playoffs"
I’m gonna take this one before Bye, Dawk does. The Eagles won their last game of the season 44-6, and they won like 4 of their last 5. True, they needed other teams to lose, but that’s not backing into the playoffs, that’s called doing what you need to do and getting lucky when other teams lose. If the Eagles had lost that game to Bengals and been eliminated, then the Bucs or the Cowboys would have “backed into the playoffs.”
I see what your saying
about them doing what they needed to do to get into the dance, but they are still the Eagles and I’m only going to give them so much credit. With that said, “they backed into the playoffs” :)
Plus those bastards beat me (with Kolb @ QB) last night on Madden 23-17 in OT to snap my 10 game win streak. Damn pick 6!
forget stats
eli has mastered the learning curve. eli gets it.
so has ben. they both “grok” the game, rivers, not yet. same with McNuggets (& he’s had much more time)
brady gets it. big bro gets it. forget romo – he will never grok.
i’m very happy with eli @ the helm.
by NYer in a strange land on Sep 11, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Roethlisberger
has 2 rings and better stats than Eli. If we’re putting Eli up near McNabb b/c he has a ring and McNabb doesn’t (despite the fact that McNabb has FAR superior stats over his career), than you can easily justify Roethlisberger over Brees and Warner.
eli vs ben
Actually, last season Eli had a slightly better quarterback rating than Ben.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Sep 11, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah
and how is jacobs not even in the top 100, but michael vick is
The List
From what I gathered from the introduction, the list was made based off of who you’d most want on your team. Peyton Manning was #1 because he’s the QB they decided you’d most want to take your snaps. I’m not saying Ben isn’t good—far from it. However I’d never take Big Ben as a Quarterback over someone like Drew Brees.
It doesn’t help that there’s no justification on this list. Seeing why they put Ben up there and Eli way down there might help figure out the bizarre rankings.
I'm still taking Brady before Peyton
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 11, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions
No Jacobs?
Wow.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions
Yup.
Jacobs is gonna be underrated as long as he keeps having these injury shortened seasons, which unfortunately may be his whole career.
The thing is when he plays, you can’t tell me this guy is one of the best RB’s the game.
Is he a “complete back”. I guess he’s not that cuz he doesn’t catch passes…but who the hell cares about that when you average 5 yards a carry?
He also is probably the best goal line back in the game, which is also an underrated specialty of his.
I’ll always be glad that Jacobs is on my team vs. the other guys.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 11, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I can't imagine what goes through other fans heads...
When they have to watch Jacobs get into the open field…
I would be worried for my secondary.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Is Leron Landry on the injury list this week?
like, you know, with a “chest” pointer? or tire tracks?
by NYer in a strange land on Sep 11, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree with Free...see
Jacobs’ goal line ability is so underrated that his own coaches frequently put Ruben Droughns in at the goal line instead of the guy who Laron’d Urlacher and god willing will Urlacher Haynesworth in a couple days.
Before I comment..
“BURP” that felt good…Sorry, leftover from yesterday’s BBV Food Court..Blog..Y’all had me so hungry I think I ate everything in the house house last night!!..Good thing too because that game was Boooooooooooooring.
That rankings list I agree is a bunch of BS..I reall don’t pay much atttention to that individual Jazz..The team that plays well together as a “Unit” gets to the tournament..I am not interested in popularity contests…Great comments from KG and AP, Ed..They are serious, yet loose..I can’t wait for Sunday!!!….Bob
boring?
I thought it was a great game. Both teams made some great defensive plays (the strip of Hines Ward was awesome, as was Polamalu’s one handed INT), and it went to OT! Plus, Big Ben was on fire down the stretch.
I’ve gotta admit I don’t understand how some of you guys rate QB’s – you argue that Eli’s better than McNabb & Romo and guys like that b/c he’s got a ring, but then turn around and argue that Roethlisberger’s not that good and you’d rather have Brees? Roethlisberger’s got 2 rings and a much worse offensive line than Eli. He puts up better numbers than Eli. I love Eli, but right now I don’t think it’s even an argument that Big Ben is better. If Eli gets us another ring this year, then we can talk.
Also, I’ve defended the Eagles twice in this thread. I think I’m going to go shower.
No I think Big Ben is a great QB..but
It was opening night..0-0 for what seemed like forever..Yes some really great defensive plays..He was excellent down the stretch in overtime…I guess I am just suffering from a case of “Giant-titus”..Hopefully, Sunday we get out of hogs game with a big win and no cases of “Swine-flu”
I agree that Rothlisburger is a better QB...
Not by much, but he is.
But how can you say “He puts up better numbers than Eli” with these 2008 stats:
Roethlisburger: Com% 59.9, Yds 3301, TDs 17, Int 15, Rat 80.1, 14 Fumbles
Manning: Com% 60.3, Yds 3238, TDs 21, Int 10, Rat 86.4, 5 Fumbles
Just doesn’t add up…
And when comparing Eli to McNabb, it’s obvious people lose sight of the fact Eli has only played four full seasons, and has shown great improvement since his SB run. Even that you can make a legitimate case for Eli after all McNabb has done speaks volumes.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
Which is why I agree that he is a better QB.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions
for their careers
Big Ben is: 62.4 %, 14974 Yards, 101 TD, 69 INT, 89.4 QB Rating
Eli is: 55.9 %, 14623 Yards, 98 TD, 74 INT, 76.1 QB Rating
Look, if Eli continues playing like he played last year and wins more rings, than you won’t get an argument from me. But to this point in their respective careers, Big Ben’s been better (try saying that 10 times fast!).
Well this is a what have you done for me lately league...
But I’ll concede. Getting into a debate about Eli when statistics are the topic is like walking into the lions den with a steak lined banana hammock.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
haha nice analogy
I’m not saying the whole case against Eli is stats. He’s more than his numbers. But compared to Roethlisberger, he’s won less regular season games, he’s won less postseason games, he’s won less Super Bowls, he’s had less 4th quarter comebacks, AND he has worse stats. Everything we love about Eli, Roethlisberger does too. They’re both winners.
Just keep in mind he's played in less games...
And he isn’t afforded the luxury of playing the Browns and Bengals twice a year.
Other than that you’re absolutely right. But I’d just like to add Eli plays in New York, I don’t care what anyone says…it’s a different animal here. We will more than likely never have a 4000yd passer, we’ve never had a Pro Bowler at WR, and I have no second thoughts when I say our defense will always be the face of this team.
It takes a different type of leader to call the plays in the huddle, and I’d take Eli over anybody when it comes to quarterbacking the New York Football Giants. And I do mean anybody.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Also keep in mind...
The Steelers won their first Super Bowl with Big Ben in SPITE of his performance, not because of it.
Something like a 32 QB rating, worst all time for a Super Bowl winner.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 11, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
Superbowl wins over the weak-ass Seahawks and the worst team to ever make the SB, the Cardinals.
Not picking on Ben, he’s the man, but damn were those some weak opponents.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 11, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Ben played in year one.....
and had a much better team in year one. Lots of ‘safe’ passes and that led to his best overall completion %. Don’t underestimate that adding to his overall stats being better.
Ben is better cuz he has the 2 rings. If/When Eli matches Ben with the Rings, Eli is better overall IMO.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 12, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions
But..I'll have to go shopping first to replenish the food I ate..lol!!
I am Mr. Mom for the next two weeks: Pros – My Dallas fan wife is away…Cons – I got pulled out of retirement to coach our kids little league team (have not done that in ten years when I ran my older boys teams..I feel like Favre)…I didn’t give any emotional “Come out of retirement speech”..All I did was when the head coach asked for a couple Dads to help…I told him: " I could help you a little"..Next thing I know a Baseball Cap and Jersey was tossed to me!!..I’m like Oh s—t..another fine mess I got myself into!..My wife is up in N.C. laughing her behind off…"Oh honey!! your my “little coach” again!!“..yea, 6’4” 190 small..“Talk to ya later dear”..
Boring?
BORING?
I hope you weren’t talking about that football game….that was about as good a matchup and a game that lived up to the “hype” as any game.
That’s the type of game the Giants usually play against the good D games too, and I ate up every second of those games.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 11, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe "boring"..
Was a bad way to describe it..but it was opening night..I was looking for a free-for-all..When our guys play games like that (which they do alot and always have)..I have to take an aspirin to re-regulate my heart beat..Last night had no impact..plus my wife took the Steelers (we bet on games)..I lost..I won’t go to deep into what we bet, but now I have to take her out to dinner when she gets back vs. the master bedroom…
I guess so....
but you do remember that Giants vs. Steelers game last year right? I think of the TItans a lot like the Giants (mainly cuz they have Ol’ Bonehead as their QB…..), but that Giants vs. Steelers game was one of the best games I’ve ever watched.
Aspirin…maybe. I just usually have my cooler next to me and drink as needed.
What the f$%k is the internet?
by FreeBradshaw on Sep 12, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions
+10
I’ve heard a bunch of people diss that game, but it was GREAT. I guess some people just don’t like defense. Probably the same people who thought baseball was peaking with the McGwire/Sosa debacle.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Sep 11, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions
football is not a numbers game
i’m not going to waste any more time reading other blogs – give me smart, knowledgible fans who have an inkling of what they are talking about – like the majority of BBV fans,
who cares if LAST year Campbell completed 55.8 % of his passes compared to eli’s 55.2%.
IT DON’T MEAN NUTTIN this sunday. this is a NEW season, a NEW story. history (especially ancient history) has absolutely nothing to do with what will happen NOW {otherwise, 73 – 0 would have relevence}
baseball is a numbers game, so is hoops.
football is more of a performance game. Football is more like calculus than addition/substraction or the accumulation of STATS!
it is pointless to rank football players or teams based on ACCUMULATION stats from the past, and then try to made a prediction based thereon. Football is way too interdependent on too many other variables (if the backup left guard misses a block that gets the QB killed, it doesn’t matter if JERRY RICE was open by 5 steps. . .)
what i am sayin is all these so called experts in the blogoshpere are missing the point – EVALUATE (don’t rate) the talent @hand, and THEN make a prediction.(and EVERY prediction MUST be preceded with the caveat “barring injury”).
That rant out of the way, let em stack the box – send the kid WRs on a post. let em blitz – slant or WR screen. YAC!
all i’m sayin’ is play the kids. utilize their obvious skills. DON’’T JOBA them.
by NYer in a strange land on Sep 11, 2009 12:56 PM EDT reply actions
Hey "Durham" (newly re-located) fan of the Giants..
Your right..As I stated earlier, these individual player rankings are a bunch of BS..They mean absloutely Zippo..These guys ar playing “football” not running for a political office. Or Miss America honors..Its Football. They need to try to stay healthy, do their job and have a little bit of luck tossed into the mix.
Off the record..If you folks want to see a nice tribute in memory of 9/11..
Here…http://www.thebigshow.com/index_911.php…I don’t know where you were, but I was getting treated for skin cancer..they would take a slice out of me then send me out to the waiting room..That is when I looked in horror at those planes hitting the WTC..Then they took another slice out of me and I went out and saw the buildings collapse..I went outside and saw what seemed like a 1000 planes zooming in to land at RDU Airport. My cousin’s Son worked there but his train was running late, hence he survived..1000s didn’t..We all lost an incredible number of our USA family that day..and have since lost even more brave soldiers, protecting us over there vs.over here..We all witnessed the most horrific day on our homeland since Pearl Harbor, and also the bravery and courage our Police and Firefighters showed that day and the days and months that followed. I am proud to have been born and raised in NY and to be priveleged to be an American. I pray for everyone we lost that day, the children who lost their mothers and fathers, and our heros that we have lost since that day…We are all very fortunate to be able to be free and root for our teams on Sundays, but we all owe a huge debt of gratitude for the men and women in our armed forces over there that provide us that. I for one will never forget this day..ever..It brought us all back together where we all should be in this land of ours..Family.
I was right down the street from you
I was at GlaxoWelcomeSmithkline when it happened. I still remember looking up at the tv thinking, “this can not be real”. It seems like everything went into slow motion. That is truly my “where were you when” moment. I served in Desert Shield/Storm, so I have a feeling what our guys are going through. I salute them all as well as our other true heros and public servants. 9/11 is a day that will never be forgotten. Much love and respect to the victims and surviving family members of that tragic day.
Yes your were right up the Rte 55 road from where I was..The Cary Skin Center..
I am proud of your service to our country..and thank you for it..My younger brother is a retired Col. from the Air Force he was in Desert Storm..His call sign was “01”..When that war broke out he had two targets.. the Baghdad AT&T building and their Command headquarters..both direct hits..He was then flying the F-117 fighter. He is featured on the Discovery Channel (Capt. Paul T. Dolson) when they run the “Desert Storm” show..He’s the first one interviewed. He was a Captain back then..His sorties are on film..including the “luckiest man in Baghdad”..That’s where he knocked a bridge out while a truck was crossing. I asked him if he was letting the truck get away…and he said no, I was aiming at the exhaust pipes..He was also interviewed by Paula Zahn and the Harry guy..He was awarded the Distingwished Flying Cross (DFC)..Now he works for the FBI..Homeland Security. His wife works for the CIA..I don’t mess with her!!..lol
There’s an ex-nieghbor up there I know that works in Glaxo..Margie..can’t remember the last name..We always joked about having to travel..She went mostly to England..Gardner I think is her last name.
Anyhow, the point of my “off Topic” rant is #1 Thank you all whom have served our great country. #2. We owe you all and are glad you came home safe.
- Those of you that came home injured..We owe you big time and will fight to pay you back.
#4. I can’t go into our first official game this year without giving you true warriors thanks..I’m a life-long Giants fan, but the Airforce..Army..Navy and Marines are my ultimate Super Bowl team and heros..God bless all of you.!!!

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