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David Carr for starting QB!!!!!!

Lets be real folks, all the attention on the lack of a passing game in the last game against the Jets was put on the receiving corps.  The truth is though that combined they dropped just 4 passes.  Eli on the other hand missed receivers on about 8-10 occasions in just one half of football.  Finally I realized that Eli is the real problem with our passing game and that it is not the receiving corps.

I am a DIE HARD GIANTS FAN and I want a quarterback that gives us the best chance of winning.  To me at this point that is David Carr!  I am tired of waiting on Eli to truly come around and on blaming all our shortcomings on everyone and everything else.

The GIANTS are a Super Bowl team but we will not get there with our passing game the way it is(yes I understand that we are a running team but an effective passing game makes your running game better).

David Carr threw 2 TD passes in 3 offensive series and got us back into the game against the  Jets.  About 4 years ago Carr was in the top 5 among all QB in the league in TD passes and led the league in being the most sacked QB at the same time.  This says a lot about him and speaks for itself.

WE NEED DAVID CARR AS OUR STARTING QB!!!!!!

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Oh boy

Get yourself prepared, as this post is going to get killed by the stat heads and common sense people alike.

by brisulph on Sep 1, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions  

A $100 million clipboard holder? Where can I sign up?

Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(

by JimmyK on Sep 1, 2009 2:00 PM EDT reply actions  

Whoah Now!

Last I checked David Carr has never taken anybody to the promised land.

by BravesfaninMontana on Sep 1, 2009 2:01 PM EDT reply actions  

And you really believe Eli can lead us to the promised land now?

by David Philips on Sep 1, 2009 4:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yep, he's awful.

That loser will never win a Super Bowl. What a failure he is.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Last time I checked it was the fourth quarter in pre season……..Carr for MVP? Are you for real?

by jonnybgood21 on Sep 1, 2009 2:26 PM EDT reply actions  

in a word...

NO

Carr chucked up a pass that Nicks made a play on….the other TD was a great read by both Nicks and Carr but let’s be real…the ball was almost overthrown and Nicks did all the work.

Also Smith dropped a sure fire TD from Manning. Not Eli’s fault.

But please keep this in mind that the game vs the jets was the first time we’ve actually had the chance to see this offense operate. It’s clear Eli and Manningham need more time together…and we haven’t even found out which WR’s will be cut and who will stay.

I know Eli had a tendency to throw high….but Eli also has a tendency to put the ball right on the money. The SB run in ‘07 proved it. I mean he out played Garcia, Romo, Favre, and Brady. If that was luck…well that’s some string of luck. He threw 1 INT and that shoulda been caught by Smith.

I’m not living in the past either…i know in NY the mentality is “what have you done for me lately” but we can not justify starting Carr after 1 good pre season game.

Also, I know Carr can keep plays alive with his feet…Eli flat out can not. At the same time Carr can kill plays with his feet…the Jets game was an improvement but in the past he’s had a tendency to leave the pocket early…or stay in the pocket too long.

to be honest with you, I don’t even know why I even put this much effort into this post because IMO it’s a no brainer, a non issue, an open and shut decision…Eli is the starter.

by andiamo708 on Sep 1, 2009 2:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I like Carr as a backup QB, one who I believe is capable of stepping up in case of injury to Eli better than your typical backup. However, this article seems like it was purposely made for the reaction of people who take this post serious. If that isn’t the case, then may I suggest you just not post such topics anymore. Eli is better than Carr on way too many levels that shouldn’t even require explanation.

by John Mjr on Sep 1, 2009 2:33 PM EDT reply actions  

clearly

This must be the new login id of "Dave from Asheville"

by queler on Sep 1, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Come on!!!!!!

Ok we won a Super Bowl in ‘07, yeah the team did. Think about it half if not more of the starting QBs in the league could have done what Eli did with the cast that was there at that time. Who could have missed throwing the ball to 6’5" Plaxico? Lets not forget that Plax is who opened it up for that offense. Teams were forced to play cover 2 defense against us and to pay him extra attention. Alternatively, there was no way any defense could stack the box against us and all that allowed other receivers space to roam and opened up the running game. Eli wasn’t good he just made very few mistakes(in only a few games) towards the end of ’07 our Super Bowl season.

With all this talk of it just being pre-season now, you all will see what will happen starting September 13 when teams start defending us for real by putting 7 and 8 in the box and daring us to pass the ball. Jacobs alone with our sweet run blocking O-Line can only carry the team so far offensively.

Eli’s true colors will start to show then but I guess you all have to wait that long to see what I already see.

by David Philips on Sep 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions  

so your argument

is that the giants won the super bowl because of plaxico, and that any other team would have won with plax?

the steelers seemed to have no problem winning without him.

by cntrlalt on Sep 1, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny people actually entertain this hilarious post, by trying to justfiy why he is wrong. Clearly a joke….carry on.

by JRSu1 on Sep 1, 2009 4:51 PM EDT reply actions  

its no joke Eli sucks!!! What are our other options at this point

by David Philips on Sep 1, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don’t know how you figure. Yea it’s yet to be determined whether he is worth all 90million. But I’d argue Plaxico sucks terribly before I say Eli does. Plax did suck (in my opinion). He’s numbers last year pre-shooting were horrible.

by JRSu1 on Sep 2, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I aint gonna go off on you

out of respect for BBV.

But simply: you are wrong. While its debatable if Eli’s worth his contract, he’s definitely a franchise QB, something David Carr will never be.

Eli with the help of his teammates won the SB in 07, but tell me one single QB in the history of the game that didn’t have a good team beside him that won a SB?

Could other QB’s have done what Eli did in 07? Maybe. But they didn’t. The Giants D was great, but so was Dallas’, Green Bay’s and New England’s defenses. All very very good and rated just as high or higher than the Giants at some point in teh season.

…..and Eli beat all of them. Not the running game which was absent the whole playoffs, but Eli. Eli drove them down the field constantly.

If you want David Carr as you’re QB, fine. But remove the diehard fan from yourself cuz whoever STILL DOESN’T BELIEVE IN ELI after what this man has brought us already, DOESN’T DESERVE TO BE A GIANTS FAN!

…guess I ranted a little, but Im sure others would have done the same with Phil Simms, all of whom’s records will be broken by Eli sooner rather than later.

GODZZIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 1, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions   1 recs

huge +1

the man has a ring. that puts him beyond reproach.

by catsmeat84 on Sep 2, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

+12012938724790324978

Never missed the playoffs…what more do you have to say?

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 2, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Carbo?

President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club

Fact on Villanova Sports

by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 1, 2009 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

LOOK

The point here is that Carr is a great QB. Its really about the fact that Eli sucks and that with him at the helm this year we will finish in second or third place in the division and probably not make the playoffs. This is hard for me to take when we have the best team in the NFC and probably in the NFL who are capable of winning it all. Do you all not see what this team can accomplish it we just had a good QB

by David Philips on Sep 1, 2009 6:26 PM EDT reply actions  

??????????????????????????????????
Do you all not see what this team can accomplish it we just had a good QB

You mean like win a SuperBowl?

You know, like we did with Eli?

Your argument is nothing, you have none.

GODZZIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 1, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It’s quite clear that David Philips is acutally David Carr’s mother.

by njgiant on Sep 1, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Or David Carr himself.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

OR Tiki Barber.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 2, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

I bet if we had a good QB, we could finally win a Super Bowl.

And clearly, David Carr is the man for the job.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think a post like this should get this guy thrown off this blog

yea carr had potential to be a good qb but houston destroyed that he is scared of staying in the pocket now carr is in NO WAY better than eli and eli had a terrific game but the receivers were dropping the ball like it was on fire or something….il admit im not the biggest eli fan but he is one of the best qb at winning you games he wont put up huge stats but if it comes down to a last drive in the 4th quarter i cant think of many other qb in the league that i wuld rather under center than eli.. he is a qb who will win u games but wont put up huge stats and thats what the giants need and always will need at the qb spot

by shenkthetank592 on Sep 1, 2009 6:29 PM EDT reply actions  

how the hell did you get back in here?

Honestly I assumed this was your post

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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Sep 1, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

his cavalier attitude to punctuation makes me cry. it spoils what is actually a fair point.

by catsmeat84 on Sep 2, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

David Phillips--throw yourself in front of a car

Carr is better than Eli? You toolbag shite for brains.

by takeoutburger on Sep 1, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions  

Did Carr go up against the 1st team D?

I doubt it.

"I throw, you catch. It's NOT that hard!"
Peyton Manning, SNL, 2007

by peytonsthebest on Sep 1, 2009 7:00 PM EDT reply actions  

ps

apologies. knee jerk reaction to stupidity.

by takeoutburger on Sep 1, 2009 7:02 PM EDT reply actions  

its a valid point

and probably not the harshest you could’ve been.

by cntrlalt on Sep 1, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw...

Rhett Bomar park his car like a seasoned valet during training camp. Must mean that Eli can’t drive.

When its 3rd and long, throw the ball past the marker.

by Fester McDougal on Sep 1, 2009 8:28 PM EDT reply actions  

I wonder if this was the guy with all those posts yesterday.

You cannot seriously believe what you just posted do you? David “Itchy Feet” Carr? Chris Palmer is still trying to undo all the bad habits from his stint at Houston all those years ago. Now you’re just going to hand him the reigns to a contending team after 2 meaningless preseason loses? I am not sure you are indeed a Giants Fan or a guy just getting a rise out of this board.

by Lucky7 on Sep 1, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

You are clearly not a smart man.

"I dunno. I never smoked any Astroturf"
-Tug McGraw

by squid92 on Sep 2, 2009 1:35 AM EDT reply actions  

We need the site bot over here.

Just know, if there's ever a riot at Citi Field and Oliver Perez was the starter, I started the riot.

by meigs1414 on Sep 2, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Please send me some of that good stuff

You must be smoking..that has to be good shit..It’ll bring me back to my concert days!!

by Bobbiblue on Sep 2, 2009 8:22 AM EDT reply actions  

carr vs manning

manning by a landslide. carr has very happy feet.

by 7mike on Sep 2, 2009 8:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm so unhappy with you David Phillips...

I hope you drink your coffee way to fast this morning and burn your tongue.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 2, 2009 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

who would have guessed

David Carr’s mom is posting at this site under a fake name!

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 2, 2009 9:08 AM EDT reply actions  

David.

Do you even remember 2007? Better yet, did you even watch?

If you did, there would be no way in hell you could even start this conversation.

Forget about the fact Eli has never missed the playoffs since taking over the starting job. Forget about that fact that Eli has never thrown for less than 20+ TDs or 3200+ YDs in a single season. Forget about the fact that he is a Pro Bowler and is everything you could ask for as far as on field demeanor and general work ethic and attitude goes.

Forget about ALL of that, and just remember what happened in the ‘07 Super Bowl…150+ Yards and 2 go ahead touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone. Only Joe Montana can also say he’s had such a quarter, in the biggest quarter, in the biggest game.

If that’s not good enough for the Giants, than what are you looking for?

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 2, 2009 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

we have to do something about that user name

Tito (nine and six, but 6 1/2 back)?

i don’t think “Eight and Oh, you mean April and May games are virtually meaningless?” will fit.

by SBakerTheTouchdownMaker on Sep 2, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

eight and oh

refers to tito’s world series record.. it actually has nothing to do with the yankees. We’re all giants fans here, so cut him some slack, he crossed enemy lines to become a fan of a glorious football team.

President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club

Fact on Villanova Sports

by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 2, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thank you Hoya...

Stephen Baker…we’ll see you in October my good man.

Go Giants.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 2, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope so....

Im pretty sure than any year aside from 2004 the Yanks have OWNED the Sox….(its probably not every year..but Im too lazy to look that up…)

GODZZIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 2, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

2004 and 2007

SO what if the Yanks haven’t won a WS in this millennia. We’re here about football

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 3, 2009 8:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

"Im pretty sure than any year aside from 2004 the Yanks have OWNED the Sox"

Other than her husband being shot, Mrs. Lincoln really enjoyed the play

by cjmulrain on Sep 6, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

I can't believe I'm about to make a serious post on such an absurd topic

but my feeling is that, if worse comes to worse and Eli gets hurt, Carr could have a really good season. I think behind the Giants O-line and with the Giants run game, Carr could really shine, and play himself into a big contract next year. It’s just a gut feeling I have about the guy, and I’ve been impressed with him in limited action. That said, there’s no way in hell he’s better than Eli at the important stuff, which is winning football games. The thought of benching Eli for Carr is so beyond ridiculous that I can only assume this post was a joke or was written by David Carr himself.

by cjmulrain on Sep 2, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Amen

on all points. And yes, Carr has that ol’ Hoss potential.

You play to win the game!

by Simms-McConkey on Sep 2, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

what's amazing is

two and a half years ago, it wouldn’t have been an absurd idea.. But anyone who suggests that Eli can’t win at this point needs to be hit over the head a thousand times with a framing hammer.

President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club

Fact on Villanova Sports

by Hoyadestroya85 on Sep 2, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL +1

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Sep 2, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

David Carr??????????????????????????Starting QB, you sound like a Cowboys Fan

Eli knows how to win, and games are determined at a few critical moments per game.
Carr is an accurate passer who can be an adequet back-up for no more than a c uple of games if Eli gets dinged up. If Eli gets the pocket protection that should be a given
with this OL, the Giants will see another SB, if not this year but soon enough.

by sudden death overtime on Sep 4, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions  

Super bowl MVP

did you forget about the superbowl and Eli MVP performance and oh hit big contract – no chance you will see Carr start unless ELi is hurt

by hollywoodhill on Sep 4, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions  

u nutz

the only thing can say is u r not a giants fan period. real giants fans remember life b4 eli, and guess wat buddy. HE HAS’NT MISSED THE PLAYOFFS YET!!!! now who’s the last giant qb that can make that claim? if u r really a giants fan u should never ever b allowed anywhere near our stadium ever again!!!!! have a nice day

by south georgia giant on Sep 4, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Maybe David Phillips is a redskins fan in disguise.

That is the only reason I could think he is recommending David Carr over Eli Manning. Manning already won a Superbowl and took the Giants to the playoffs last year without Osi, how exactly are the Giants going to not make the playoffs now that Osi is back. David Carr led the league in sacks for a few years consecutively in Houston, so how is he more mobile than Eli.

by DA Botchman on Sep 5, 2009 8:29 AM EDT reply actions  

crazy

you have officially lost you mind!!

by nywins42 on Sep 6, 2009 8:54 AM EDT reply actions  

hey crazy

you really have lost your mind! David Carr as the starter.! haha no thanks! i’ll pass on that! lets not say he should be the starter after one good preseason game.! wether you all like it or not Eli’s going to be our starter for the 7 years! And we’ve made the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 years with Eli as our quarterback, and what year was that his rookie year! so lets leave him alone.! cause a TRUE Giants fan can BELIEVE in our QB!

by Katieee! on Sep 6, 2009 10:12 AM EDT reply actions  

David Phillips

Bka David Carr.

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