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New York Giants training camp: Thursday morning practice report

The intensity was turned up -- way up -- during Thursday morning's practice session at New York Giants training camp.

The Giants went with shoulder pads for the first time, and there was some intense hitting.

Coach Tom Coughlin was still not happy with his offense, even though it looked a little better.

"The defense played well this morning. The quickness of our front was obvious ... saw some strong penetrating moves on the part of three or four different guys.

I'm disappointed in the fact that when we put the pads on it's time to put the pads on and you don't expect people to come clean ... but, it'll pick up. It's always that way early. Defense has been playing well, and the offense has gotta get in tune with it and catch up."

Here are some highlights.

  • Linebacker Kenny Ingram laid the first big hit of camp on rookie running back Andre Brown, most definitely signaling that things were getting serious. Ingram introduced himself to Brown again later in the camp with another nasty open-field hit.
  • Brown had a nice practice, popping through a couple of holes, including a nice bounce outside on one run. Not to be outdone, Danny Ware also ran the ball well this morning, including a nifty cut back run on a pitch out. NIce little competition between the two of them developing.

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Here are some other defensive highlights.

Here are a few other offensive highlights.

  • Sinorice Moss caught the one long ball of the day from Manning, getting behind Aaron Ross. The Giants also ran a reverse to Moss that looked like it could have gained a good chunk of yardage. Someone on the sidelines yelled 'Mr. August' when Moss hauled in the ball.
  • Pretty good morning for Hakeem Nicks, who made a couple of good catches over the middle in traffic. Nicks missed a chance for a couple of big plays downfield, though. On one, he was behind his defender and Andre Woodson overthrew him. On another, Woodson badly underthrew him and Nicks attempted to adjust but could not haul in the ball. That one was in the end zone.
  • The other rookie receivers -- Ramses Barden and Travis Beckum -- each caught a handful of balls this morning.

Couple of lowlights.

  • These would, of course, involved center to quarterback exchanges. Kevin Boothe and Andre Woodson messed up one, it looked like Adam Koets and David Carr messed up another. There was also a third, but I couldn't see who snapped it. Veteran Tutan Reyes ended up taking a few turns at center. Who woulda thought Grey Reugamer would be the biggest off-season loss on this team? My guess is the backup center is someone who is not currently on the roster because right now if Shaun O'Hara is injured the Giants are in a world of hurt.
  • The other lowlight was a dropped pass by Brandon Jacobs. Please, please Kevin Gilbride -- do not call plays where Jacobs has to catch the ball.

An off-beat note.

  • Ever wonder what a placekicker does to keep himself busy during practice? Well, both Tuesday and today Lawrence Tynes took turns running pass routes during some defensive positioning drills. Tynes also took some turns playing quarterback during another set of cornerback drills. He can throw a little bit, by the way. Oh, the one disconcerting thing? The assistant coaches call Tynes 'LT.' Umm ... fellas, that's wrong.

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so let me get this straight...

our Defense is out playing our Offense and this is with Robbins, Bernard, and Boley not even playing…and Osi and Cofield seeing limited action?

what’s gonna happen when these guys are healthy?

sounds like Jay Alford is going to force himself into some playing time…and i’m starting to wonder about moving Kehl over to SAM when Boley comes back…seems like he is playing great.

by andiamo708 on Aug 6, 2009 12:15 PM EDT reply actions  

exactly.

For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.

by iLL on Aug 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

No worries

TC said after practice that it is always expected that the defense will have the upper hand at the beginning of camp. I think with all the young players and shuffling the offense is doing right now it’s not surprising.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 6, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm getting worried about this offensive line...

Two years with no injuries to a linemen has happened to a couple of teams before, but neither of them made it three consecutive.

I just hope with most the focus being applied to the depth of the defensive line, we don’t completely overlook the depth on the offensive side.

"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."

by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 6, 2009 12:17 PM EDT reply actions  

History is made to be broken

No team’s ever won 3 superbowls, err I mean 4 superbowls.

Scratch that, 5 superbowls haven’t been done. I mean 6.

errrrrrrrrrrr

by Willgfass on Aug 7, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I also heard...

Manningham had a big morning including a punt return for a TD. So did Sinorice Moss.

For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.

by iLL on Aug 6, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

Manningham

Did have a nice return, which was probably a TD.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 6, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glad to hear,

Nicks is getting more touches.

For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.

by iLL on Aug 6, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions  

hixon....

You didn’t mention anything about hixon…

I’m also curious to know if hixon is not the number 1 receiver start of the season do you think he will be handling punt returns?? He was doing good last year before plax shot himself

by nycity on Aug 6, 2009 12:36 PM EDT reply actions  

hmm...

Seems he has been comparatively quiet for the entire camp. Your words the other day were OK, but nothing noteworthy

by NYERinSF on Aug 6, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks..

Another great report, Ed…Yes that OL depth is troubling..and yes Brandon Jacobs has bricks for hands..they need to focus on him running the football, not throwing to him. Finally, your last comment on Tynes…they should retire the nickname “LT”…referring to a kicker using that title is downright disrespectful….Geez…Bob

by Bobbiblue on Aug 6, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah..

We all know who the only “LT” there is/was..A one man wrecking machine..As Parcells stated in his book after the ’86 Super Bowl championship, He was and probably still is the only player he ever coached that could take over total control of a game..He was a wild man..Remember him shouting at (I think it was the niners..) “Come on want a piece of me?!!!..They all stood on their sidelines with their heads turned down..they wanted no part of him..Remember his famous”Mad dogs" speech?..I used to love watching not only his sacks, but his ability to run down an RB from across the line of scrimmage before they could make a cut, that was precious and unbelievable. There is only one “LT” his name is Lawrence Taylor. Retire that “LT” reference….Bob

by Bobbiblue on Aug 6, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

If AP or O'Hara get injured

Giants will be hurting. Among other indispensible players is Tuck but Canty helps there and he rarely seems to get hurt according to Peter King at SI.

Can the WLB and SAM LBs be interchangable? Can Kehl move to SAM after Boley returns? andiamo said it – Boley, AP and Kehl sounds like an idea worth considering.

by MSP Giant on Aug 6, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions  

AP not so much, I think

Blackburn is pretty good in the middle. And, we still don’t know about Goff.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 6, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not overly concerned about our Oline expect ...

for the Center position. You need to have a proven back up center IMO.

MSP Giant…i know the Giants were trying Kehl at SAM after the Boley signing so yes, it’s conceivable that he can make the transition…Personally I think with his speed he’s better at WILL but from the sounds of today’s practice he’s been taking on head blockers and stuffing holes very well, and I consider those traits of a SAM.

My biggest concern is still SAM…i don’t wanna see D. Clark out there as our starter this whole year. I mean, he had one good game last year and that was it. I don’t get how people want to crucify AP but don’t say a word about D.Clark…

I mean, a few months ago, D. Clark was swearing up and down how he was gonna lose weight and play another 5 years (I’m not making this up)…a few weeks after that he’s taking broadcasting classes….if he was really smart he’d call up Jesse Armstead and see if he could use a Used Car Salesman because the NFL has passed him by.

by andiamo708 on Aug 6, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions  

D. Clark is solid

AP definitely doesn;t deserve all the bashing he gets either.

Clark is not bashed as much as AP cuz he’s not around the ball as much. He does his job and isn;t flashy. He’s a nice LB for depth on the team, and really that’s all the Giants need right now. With Sintim and Kehl likely to get more snaps as the season progresses, he could be phased out.

Its not cuz he’s not earning his spot tho, its just cuz another LB is better.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 6, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

it sounds like your describing

a backup LineBacker…not a starter. The fact that he’s not around the ball is not a good thing…

Yes, you are right, he will be phased out by either Sintim or Kehl…but in the mean time I’m all about moving Chase to SAM. Clark can go back to being that versatile backup were brought him in to be.

by andiamo708 on Aug 6, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Clark is around the ball a lot

he just does his job more (no flags…), covers receivers better, and he’s not a MLB, so he makes less tackles.

AP is a lightening rod cuz of the whole Westbrook burning him thing, the Interference flag in the playoffs game, stuff like that. Clark isn’t around the play like that, so that’s why he’s not heralded or scorned as much as AP.

He isn’t the best starter, but he’s a solid starter. These other guys are gonna have to beat him out cuz he’s not gonna play up to his standards.

by FreeBradshaw on Aug 6, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mr. August??

Ouch.

"We're only going to score 17 points?" ~ Tom Brady

by mwilli on Aug 6, 2009 2:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Major

Burn.

For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowds roar. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream.

by iLL on Aug 6, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who said Mr. August?

Don’t lie Ed, you know it was someone right next to you that labeled Moss Mr. August.

by D. Sanchirico on Aug 6, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

If I knew for sure

I would tell you. I heard it, but I can’t tell you for sure who said it.

by Ed Valentine on Aug 6, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

Coughlin

Should not be happy at this time of year. First of all, it would be out of character for him. Second, even if they were all doing great, they could do better. Now is the time of year to push for better, and better, and better still.

by NYERinSF on Aug 6, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions  

Oh and while I am on my soapbox..

One of the most fearless, tough tight-ends was Mark Bavarro..I used to watch him show up in training camp, and then see him slogging down a bowl of Cheerios in a salad bowl that could serve 12 people..Then to watch him was awesome..Parcells thought he was crazy.. He’d catch a ball and carry half of the opposing teams on his back while gaining twenty, thirty yards after the catch..Parcells’ quote on the ‘86 highlight film was (I believe against Washington): "Did you see that??..that guy is crazy!!..I wouldn’t want to mess with him!!" ..He was a Ted Hendricks playing the tight end position. I’m sure you all remember John Madden’s story about Hendricks and him in the bathroom, and Madden watches as Hendricks very seriously and irritated, tosses a $20.00 bill in the toilet..Madden, thinking something was seriously wrong with him, asked him: “What the hell are you doing?” Ted told Madden: “What, you think I am going to stick my hand in this toilet for the quarter I accidentally dropped into it?!?”.
I have played golf with Ted hendricks and he is a bit crazy to say the least, I can only imagine what it would be like to play golf with Bavarro.

by Bobbiblue on Aug 6, 2009 8:08 PM EDT reply actions  

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