Land of the Giants: Post-game notes and quotes
by Ed Valentine on Aug 30, 2009 1:00 PM EDT
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Here is some of what is being written and said in the wake of the New York Giants' 27-25 pre-season loss to the New York Jets Saturday night.
Eli Manning discussing the drops by the wide receivers. (Full transcript)
Drops are apart of football. We need to get them out of the way and keep working on them and keep throwing and some guys will make some big plays and make some great catches. Our receivers have been doing it all training camp so it’s apart of the game. You have to deal with some drops but you got to keep throwing and keep working.
Tom Coughlin (Full transcript)
On the wide receivers
There were some inconsistencies, obviously, and we can’t have that. We had some opportunities for big plays that we didn’t convert. We dropped balls, so that has to improve. I thought Hakeem Nicks played well. I thought he made some plays, he created some opportunities for us to see him and his contribution and how he might be utilized. Manningham had a couple of plays, but then he dropped a ball there on the sideline late in the game. We just keep working, what can I tell you?
On the defense
We are not anywhere near where we need to be. I think we did a little bit better, I didn’t see the stats, but I think we did a little bit better against the run, although I may be wrong there. We didn’t get the pressure on the quarterback that we would have liked to have. We gave up some plays in the secondary that we just shouldn’t give up. The one touchdown on the crossing pattern should not have happened. It was a heck of a play by the young quarterback just to stay alive, but the receiver never should have been that open.
David Carr on his touchdown passes to Hakeem Nicks (Full transcript)
The Jets were bringing pressure so we were all trying to get on the same page. They brought it so I just gave Hakeen a "go" route on the first one. He ended up going right by the guy. I just put it up and gave him a chance to make a play on the ball and he did a great job doing it. On the second one it was actually a good read by him. The corner came and the guy sat on him and he read it and ran right by him. It might have been a blown coverage but either way Hakeen read it right. It was a good play by him especially being so young in his career.
Nicks discussing the 71-yard touchdown (Full transcript)
I think that me and David (Carr) were on the same page. I read the corner blitz and the safety was flat footed to the inside, so I just converted my route to a go route and we were on the same page and just connected.
Other Notes
- Sinorice Moss barely played Saturday night. And he was clearly not happy about it.
- The Giants defense is still a work in progress.
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I don’t get it. The guy catches the ball. Thrown to 12 times last year…12 catches, 2 TDs. Give him a chance. He wasn’t injured last year, they just didn’t use him down the stretch because they needed the roster spots for special teams.
Strange I agree
It can be any of three things -
1. His place is safe and he did not need to play – unlikely as everyone else played.
2. He is being cut – if so why suit him up for the game.
3. He was kept out to avoid injury because of a possible trade.
The last appears the most logical – maybe the Chiefs or Broncos as they have been active on the trade front.
by G Fan in England on Aug 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Not worried about the defense
at this point in the pre-season. They look OK. The Reskins will see a different bunch in game one.
Nicks and Bradshaw looked good.
Giants are on schedule.
Keep Hagen over Moss. Keep Tollefson and Wilkersen, until Boly returns anyway.
optimism
You guys are a great bunch of optimists. It helps me stay positive.
by hopeforthefuture3 on Aug 30, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Thinking about the long ball and those drops,
it occured to me that you don’t see teams trying to stretch the field with it the way you used to. There are no QBs/WRs who are noted particularly for throwing/catching it (I include guys like Randy Moss, who can certainly make the play) and no teams who warrant opposing Ds to make stopping it their first priority as they had to do in the old days with Mad Bomber QBs and WRs who could outrun secondaries and make the catch. I’m thinking of teams like the old Oakland Raiders with the original Mad Bomber, Daryl LaMonica and receivers like Cliff Branch, Maybe one way to explain the drops on long ball by the Jints is that most WRs don’t get a chance to master the catch. You rarely. (except on Hail Mary plays) see the QB heave it as far as he can and the WR try to catch up to the ball. I’ve been waiting years for the Giants to acquire the right personnel to incoporate the long ball into game plans. Eli can throw long with a fair amount of accuracy and we have several receivers who have the necessary speed, so I hope the Giants keep working on the play.
Cover two
The cover two defence took away the deep ball. However, as teams appear to be blitzing more this does seem to open up the deep ball again. Nicks and Barden appear to be the guys for the deep ball given their size.
by G Fan in England on Aug 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
um... Collins to Toomer
was a pretty money play for a few seasons there. There was a time when everytime you saw Collins unload it you knew it was a 30 yard bomb to Toomer.
….. except for the one MNF game that John Lynch knocked Toomer of the planet.
You've got something, Q
Thirty yards downfield is a long ball by today’s standards.
Good point re cover two.
Even better about the blitz. Catch the blitz with a long bomb and you’ve got a hell of a play as long as you give the QB time to throw it).
Yet amother reason for the decline of the long ball is that so few colleges use a pro type O, the one most suited for the long ball. Players just don’t learn how to throw/catch it.
Also, the West Coast Offense
means teams are focusing more on high percentage throws and keeping possession. By definition a long bomb is not a high percentage throw.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 30, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Another good point for its decline
Teams that used it routinely were more than willing to settle for a penalty from a desparate DB knowing he was toast if the WR caught up to the ball. I csn’t count the # of times I heard Madden (a long ball coach if there ever was one)say that.
Hey Ed...
I know the giants like to keep a lot of information in house especially regarding injuries…
with that said…do you have any info on Tuck’s bone spurrs? He’s already having foot injuries early on in training camp and pre season. I know he was playing last night but really didn’t look like the Tuck of early last year. As fans how much should we be concerned about this? I feel if there’s one guy that we need to be healthy it’s him…and though some say tuck at 80% is much bettrer than other guys at 100% I don’t like the idea of Tuck dealing with this all year…we dont’ need him getting worn down again.
Even in his post game interview he was stressing that guys on the Dline need to get healty can he possibly be referring to himself?
I just don’t see why he didn’t get the procedure in the offseason and i’d like to see him do it now. I’m a firm believer that it’s not how you start the season but how you end. I think Westbrook missed 3-4 games last year when he had it….what’s your take on this?
Good observation..
Tuck is hurting..and perhaps he should get that fixed now vs later..His speed off the ball is way down..There’s only so many Cortizone shots you can handle before you realize surgery is the only option. He is definitely not playing his game because he hasn’t got his feet under him..and that bone spur stuff hurts bad.
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