Pre-season Game 3: Giants meet the Sanchez's ... er, Jets
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2009 7:00 PM EDT
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| NEW YORK GIANTS (1-1) | Pre-season Game #3 |
NEW YORK JETS (0-2) | |||
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| Date: | August 29, 2009 |
Location: | East Rutherford, N.J. |
| Time: | 8 p.m. EDT | Stadium: | Giants Stadium |
| TV: | NBC (Channel 4 in New York) |
Radio: | WCBS-FM (101.1) |
Tonight will be the 33rd and final meeting at Giants Stadium between our New York Giants and the New York Jets. Bad weather is apparently expected, so this could be a sloppy game in which neither team really gets a lot of work done.
Here is the list of Giants who won't play tonight
Not expected to play against the Jets due to injury: Defensive linemen Chris Canty (hamstring) and Jay Alford (knee), cornerbacks Aaron Ross (hamstring) and Stoney Woodson (ankle), linebackers Antonio Pierce (foot) and Michael Boley (PUP/hip), wide receiver David Tyree (hamstring), offensive lineman Orrin Thompson (quad) and running back Andre Brown (Achilles). Tyree was a late addition to this list, and that could mean we never see him in a Giants' uniform again.
Use this as your Open Thread.
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Tyree
Man, either that guy knows he’s gone, or he knows something we don’t. Glad I picked up a Jacobs jersey today and not the Tyree one. Maybe I’ll go and grab that one for about $10 after he gets cut and keep it as a memento.
No. 85
No one will ever be upset with you for sporting a Tyree jersey. I say get ’em while you can.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Steve Smith
Thank god its still pre-season, but Steve Smith should’ve caught that ball…now he just has to not let it bother him…hope he has a better game…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I can't watch the game
they are not showing it here in Cabo, Justin is full, does anyone know another web site?
try this...don't mind the name of the link
woops..
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mets-baseball-live
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
no problem - just found that site :) enjoy the game!
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
http://atdhe.net/
best stream I’ve found..
I’m so glad we got rid of Lito… Giants WR need to polish up a bit.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
2 interference calls on Lito
and two that should have been called.
I guess he’s looking for the Deangelo Hall Defensive Award for Outstanding Contributions to Referee Usefulness.
And damn…Eli is playing as well as any QB can. Smith has much better hands than that though…I honestly think we can chalk that up to something of a fluke.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 8:56 PM EDT reply actions
I'm glad I stood by TC all this time...
I love the intangibles he brings to coaching and the game of football…he just makes sound mgt decisions, and knows the details. Saved the Giants 18 yards having the re-punt.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I’m at baltimore for the weekend… the game is not playing here… I’m so mad… how are the receivers doing I know its bad weather…
it's streaming live on the web
there’s lots of suggestions listed above.
They’ve done okay so far, with 2 exceptions (Smith drop of perfectly thrown 50yd ball from Manning that would’ve gone for extra yds into a TD & Hixon deflects ball he should’ve caught and it got intercepted)…other than that so far – nice catch by Nicks, Boss, a couple from Manningham (i think)..TD pass to Jacobs too
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
This will be a very long up and down season
Eli is a problem. The WR’s are a major problem. The DL is not what it was — free agency be damned. The OL is not what it was. Yes, this is preseason, but if you do not see major problems with this team — Manning is being outplayed by a rookie — then you are a pollyanna of the highest order. 9-7 at best, 8-8 more likely. Mark my words. I am correct on this. And yes, I am a fan, and angry at J. Reese for ignoring the glaring lack of a #1 WR.
And Manning — will never, ever be great. Will always be streaky and inaccurate. Until, or if,
Bardem gets the game, Eli will be overthrowing his WR’s for quite some time. He is not Peyton.
done with your tantrum yet?
dont worry, we got this.
This is the Baskin Robbins of fail
31 different flavors of it on display.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not a Jets Fan. I'm a Realist.
The Giants have mucho work to do if they want to make the playoffs. They are not near ready to defend the division title. None of the problems that caused them to lose 3 out of 4 games at the tail end and one and out in the playoffs have been fixed. Not one. You want to look at it through rose colored glasses, go ahead. You’ll be kicking and cursing them plenty of times over the next 19 weeks, I guarantee, and wondering what the hell went wrong. I’m telling you now — it’s already gone wrong because they did not adequately address their
all too apparent weaknesses. Sorry. It’s just a fact.
Main problem....
= DL depth. Id say they at least tried to solve it. You lose Strahan and have Osi injured, that’s gonna catch up sooner or later. They sign Canty and Bernard and Osi is back. Id say problem #1 is solved.
I guess it would have made people like you feel better if they traded for a Edwards or Boldin, but that would be a failure on all fronts if they do that.
They did it the right way in drafting at the WR position. If the Giants don’t go all the way this season, its not cuz of the WR position (pretty much like it was last season……..)
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't understand
how did they not address their issues? they went and bulked up their D Line considerably in the offseason, and drafted a couple stud wide receivers.
guys get injured…young guys take time to develop. its not indicative of a front office failure.
there really were no other options..braylon edwards is a drop machine, and boldin while a gamer is not the true #1 guy you’re talking about.
if the giants go 8-8, which i don’t think will be the case, it won’t be from lack of trying in the offseason.
Not one?
We didn’t address any of the issues that hurt us at the end last year? What were our major problems at the tail end of the season?
Let’s see:
1) Lack of receiving threats behind Burress. We drafted Nicks and Barden, both who have shown immense talent in camp.
2) A diminished pass rush. We have this player named Osi Umenyiora. He didn’t play all of last year. Do you happen to recall that, by chance? We also drafted Clint Sintim, a pass-rushing expert, at LB.
3) General defensive fatigue. Boley, Sintim, Bernard, Umenyiora, Canty. Phillips’ continued development at safety. Thomas’ at corner.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Not addressed adequately.
The rookie WR are fine for a possible future. Not for a team that was on the verge of something NOW and may not be again for years to come, as that’s the way it sometimes goes in this game.
The pass rush has been figured out. Sheridan will not be DC next season. New scheme’s needed, more reliance on DB’s.
Yes, I like Sintim, and they do have some fresh talent their.
as JR put it
Gints are a run first team. And defense win championships! I think we addressed those needs and are reinforced.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Based on your knowledge expressed so far
I’m gonna assume that you think the pass rush has been “figured out” because they haven’t tackled Eli in practice yet.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions
i think you need to get your facts straight
the fact is that the giants will be able to ride their number one ranked rushing offense and elite defense to at least 9 or 10 wins, and if all the while eli and the young wr’s get into a rythym, the sky is the limit my friend. i find it hard to believe youre a true giant fan, its like you want them to fail.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
well
there’s nothing wrong with being a fan with an eye towards analysis and seeing weaknesses, which every team has.
i mean we’re not the cowboys where the team could be 4-12 and the fans still think they have a shot at the superbowl.
its just that the problems that the giants currently have, namely DLine depth and receivers can’t be attributed to anything the front office has done.
i really doubt
they would have had the cap room for that. boldin was demanding a new contract in any trade that would pay him equal to the top receivers.
if that trade had gone through toomer would still have had to be released, and the draft would have been completely different.
Boldin =......
bulkier Steve Smith. In other words, waste of money and picks (which would have included the pick needed to get Barden).
Also, if Toomer was any slower he’d be running backwards.
GIve it a break. Hixon and Smith and Manningham and the others are ALL quicker and have the ACTUAL ability to get open.
Getting open is a trait that Plax and Toomer lacked for the FACT they were both not quick anymore (or in Plax’s case..never quick, just big.)
Eli needs to get used to his receivers now who can actually get open, that’s all. But getting open is a good thing……..
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions
would have been nice to keep Toomer...
but they took a calculated risk and went for all the younger guys
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
who?
the Jets?
Eli is accurate, maybe not all the time, but accurate enough.
Polished WR? You mean one like Toomer or Plax who drop 80% of Eli’s accurate passes?
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:46 PM EDT up reply actions
Complain about things that are actually happening now
not things that happened in the past.
Eli is coming off a 60+% completion season. He’s hit his targets for most of the night, and there have been drops. The INT wasn’t his fault. He should have an extra TD and 90ish yards on the other drop.
He’s checking down VERY nicely, and finding good options.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Man, oh man
We are not used to this kind of negativity around here. You seem like the kind of guy who wants to see the worst in everything. Sadly, you will likely never be happy. You root for a terrific team with four straight playoff appearances and a Super Bowl. Life is good.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
well said
i was just saying to a friend that not many fans can say their team has been to the playoffs for 4 consecutive years with a terrific playoff run and a legendary super bowl run
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
So we've gone now from
Eli is a “problem” with “no accuracy” to “he may not be able to be a completely great quarterback for 2 out of 16 games a year.”
Interesting.
Of course, the real problem is that you’re bringing all this crap up in the midst of a game in which the man has been spot-on on pretty much every single play he’s been involved in. This kind of negativity is not only totally out of place and uncalled for, but its speculation based only on the past, and not what’s going on right in front of you.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions
not to mention
…its only the preseason. when players are back and healthy and the games actually start to matter, then we’ll really be able to judge where this team is at
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Give me a break, Z
Eli was terrific in the first half. You can’t put either drop on him, he was fine. If you can’t see that, you aren’t looking.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 29, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli was 4/11. Yes, bad drop by Smith. But Eli isn't getting the ball where it needs to be most of the time.
He’s too high, or just off. It’s him. He’s always been like that, hence the need for a talent like Plax. This will continue to bite us in the ass. Smith, Hixon, Manningham are not taking us anywhere near the promised land.
your Eli stats are wrong
I heard them say he was at least 5 of 12 —-could be more…but he should’ve had 2 of those (not his fault on the drops)
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Two drops
so let’s go ahead and give us back the drops. And the yardage that comes with them.
From your 4/11 we instead go 6/11. 83 yards on the Smith dropped-TD. With the TD there, we no longer have the Hixon play though. So no yards, and no catch…but no INT. So he’s 5/10 for 132 yards, 2 TDs, and 0 INTs at the time of your complaint.
A poor 50% completion percentage on a small sample size, and yet still a 135.4 rating.
Poor Eli.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Stop making excuses for Eli. Drops. Over thrown or under thrown passes. EOD they're incomplete.
Sanchez is playing better.
If you're going to crap all over Manning for his performance
with no regard for the context, then I’m going to fire right back.
One of us is more accurately reflecting ELI’S performance. One of us is just reading a box score and making an assumption.
Hint: you’re the latter.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
damn I hate being in a different state
during FB season…..and being in college so I have no dough for a FB package.
Why in the mother FK! am I watching the Falcons vs. the Chargers? I AM on the east coast you a-holes.
Who the hell in NE gives a rates ass about the Falcons or the Chargers? I guess they all probably hate the Jets and now the GIants (18-1!!), but there is no reason the Jets vs. Giants is not on……..and Im too lazy to complain to my cable company….
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I dunno....
is there one?
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
they all want a password.....
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
true...
but its all good, I will be a rich graduate in no time!
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Pharmacy......
all Im told is Im guaranteed a job and a nice starting salary…six figs. Go figure I guess…….
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Fortunately I was a broke college kid
In New Brunswick, NJ. Where all the Giants games get televised.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I really dont want to hear that Hixon is better than DeSean Jackson
Despite what the stats say it’s not true… Boss looks pretty good, Smith looks decent, Manningham looks terrible… and I’m still glad that we got rid of Lito.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Well....
right now, yea, that argument looks pretty dumb to even think that.
But eventually while I think D-Jax will continue his progression as one of the better WR in the game, Hixon will do his thing too.
Better than Jackson? I don’t know, but its too early too tell. Hixon might be in the league longer but as an actual NFL starter we’ll see.
Hixon is getting a late start at it a la Derrick Mason, so who knows.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions
...
I had a nice little rant on that and given that Im quite sauced up right now, I really don;t have a clue what the hell it was…
All I want to know is where the hell did it go?
I think it had something to do with Jackson is legit and we’ll see on Hixon.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions
I count a total of at least 5 PI calls that should have been made on the Jets tonight
Someone needs to teach them that “bump and run” doesn’t apply after a ball is heading for a receiver.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions
Not a good first half
I know it’s just a preseason game but our D got manhandeld by an awful O with a rookie QB and our WR’s just plain stink especailly in the Redzone. I understand not giving up a lot of players for Edwards or Boldin but why they will regret not siging a vetern like Tory Holt for a year or two or even a second level FA WR like Nate Washington. Eli has no security blanket and it’s obvious. If our D does not play lights out this year the Giants will be fighting for 8 wins this year.
relax...!!!!
JEEZ!!!
I aint watching the game, but if the team was firing on all cylinders in the preseason THEN its time to be skeptical.
Who gives a rats ass if the team looks good right now? They aren’t supposed to.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions
agree and disagree
agree: first half was not that great for the D, mistackles on that one play for the Jets TD, goal line stand just missed out.
disagree: we’ll win more games than 8 and the offense will always be run first. Did you see that Eli threw to 7 different receivers that caught the ball. Yes, we had to bad plays by Smith and Hixon, but we’ll survive.
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Tough Division
If they play like this in their 6 divsion games they’ll go 1-5 or 2-4 at best. If the G-Men played in any other division in the NFC I would say on talent alone they should win 10 games but they need to button it up before opening day.
good to see
rocky bernard get in on the action. definitely need him playing well witj jay alford out.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:00 PM EDT reply actions
gracias!
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks Coach
we get it, you want the sky to fall in and be right about it more than you want the team to succeed and be wrong about it.
Bandwagon exit is on the right. Feel free to use it.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:05 PM EDT up reply actions
LOL!!!
do you know the Lions were undefeated in preseason last year?
The first unit looked dominant too……
Regardless of any thought…its preseason. There is no arguement to the contrary. No one cares if a team looks good now.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
The Colts drop preseason games
like Bernard Pollard drops assholes.
And they always go 12-4.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions
hahaha!
im gonna use that pollard comment sometime soon, classic
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I dont care if the Giants win or loose the game
I just want the #1’s to look crisp against the other teams #1’s and no one to get injured. I don’t care about the final score. For the second consecutive week the Giants starters have not looked good. No WR’s have stepped up and the D looks terrible. I say the D looked terrible because the Jets have a rookie QB and no WR’s. Their starters got beat up by a very mediocre team. Philly and Dallas are a lot better ofensively than the Jets.
that's a silly comment
considering the players they’re missing.
zillag
i think you need to to take your shit talking to an eagles forum, we dont need you bring us down here
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
D hasn't been great
but the pass rush was there on the aborted play, and Sanchez made a nice (lucky?) throw. The tackling on the other end was the big problem.
The other TD was given up on an extremely short field (NOT Eli’s fault), and was almost stopped.
It could be a lot worse.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:06 PM EDT reply actions
McNabb & Romo
these guys live on these types of Broken plays remeber 3rd & 18 in the playoffs last year with Kiwi and Tuck all over McNabb. Our O will struggle big time this year because of the lack of legitimit starters at WR let alone a #1 so the D can not afford to give up these types of plays like we did against Philly, Dallas, & Carolina at the end of last year.
It's not blind fan faith, dude
not anymore than you’re blindly pessimistic.
No one here is bestowing the Lombardi trophy on the Giants just yet.
We’re just not playing Chicken F’ing Little yet, either.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
hey,
how about you and landeta get together sometime and blow each other? you might as well be on this blog
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions
i don't really think
anyone is disagreeing that this team has faults, but you’re suggesting that the team is simply not any good and will be a failure this season.
its just a bit premature for that kind of judgment.
Manningham & Eli
Are not on the same page at all I hope Jacobs does not get hurt because the only way we move the ball this year is on the ground.
we're a running team first
Bradshaw has had a nice night!
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
From the sound of it
Jacobs is fine. Just got a helmet-stinger.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't want to be right. I want them to win.
Folks, keep using preseason and what other teams do as an excuse. Look at this team, carefully, how the players — who do not want to lose — are playing. And they are, as a team playing piss poorly for the second straight game. I hope I’m wrong. But the fellas on the field are doing their best to make sure I’m right. Sorry. And I’ve been a Giants fan possibly longer than most of y’all on this thread.
you don't sound like it at all...
no real intelligent comments or insights – plus, no understanding of preseason, team chemistry building, etc. – you seem to want a championship team right away – things don’t happen overnight, they still have to play the whole season
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Yeah... the Jets are playing the giants like the bears played the giants because it's preseason...
dream on fellas… or demand better football. Sanchez is making Eli look like a rook.
there's a lot of 2nd teamers on the field
that’s why..they need game experience…
hence…
it’s PRESEASON
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
Im glad that Sanchez looks good right now...
cuz (I really can’t understand how you’’re such a vet of watching football….) who the hell cares?
Let the Jets fans get all lathered up at the second coming of Ken O’Brien. No one gives a shit.
The Giants not only will be fine, but will be elite.
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THE PRESEASON! THIS IS NOT THE TEAM THAT WILL PLAY THE REDSKINS!
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
not the team
and keep in mind that we have no idea what kind of playcalling is going down to the field.
its entirely possible that the giants are keeping their plays limited to not give up anything to video review.
ya think?
wouldn’t that make sense?
Not calling the regular season plays in preseason?
I really can’t understand someone talking doom and gloom in the preseason.
Let the Bears and Jets and whoever the hell else’ fans and media talk about the bowl already, cuz they will ALL fail by November.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions
that's exactly what happens
a lot of subtle nuances that comes along with a preseason game
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
If Zillag had only watched the first drive of the game
he’d be demanding that Goodell give us the Super Bowl trophy immediately.
Get over it.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:11 PM EDT reply actions
CC Brown
is terrible. why is he still second string? i hope they keep vince anderson.
Not that those are a big deal or anything
small flaw.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions
lol - I do give him one thing
and one thing only, he seems to be in a lot of plays…he just needs to make sure to stop those plays when he’s there…
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
boy....
this live feed you guys gave mee LOOKS good, but I don;t think I;’ve got 10 seconds of video without a minute of stopage yet…..
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Someone do an IP address run
I think Zillag is posting, logging out, and then logging back in as Landeta.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions
Question: do you think Rex Ryan wants his O to drive the ball down, but Coughlin doesn't --
— because it’s simply preseason? The Jets have moved the ball on the Giants D. The Giants O, first drive notwithstanding and a PI call on the second, have not moved the ball with their first team O and if that doesn’t raise a red flag then you are somewhat blind.
WHO CARES!!!!!!!
They are the Jets.
They will not make the playoffs nor meet expectations. If you’ve been watching football for the past 20 years, you’d know that.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions
not entirely first team
reyes and boothe came in on the line early, in the second quarter i believe. and barden has been cycling in and out.
WOW...three plays -- our season is doomed!
quick, quick – can you tell me what the LOTTERY numbers will be?
Opus smart , lascivio magis , intereo gauisus...
I think
it’s preseason.
And I think, first and foremost, Coughlin is interested in keeping players healthy, rotating in certain players, checking to see what works and what doesn’t, running schemes outside the regular season playbook to see what works, seeing what units work together most cohesively, and giving regulars an adequate amount of rest.
And hey, if they happen to score a couple points along the way, that’s fine, too.
Also…we’ve done a pretty nice job of avoiding penalties with the first unit. I assume you, as a Jets fan, would be forfeiting the season right now based on the six thousand encroachment and PI calls this game?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
answer: possibly
coughlin and ryan could have completely different goals for this game besides winning. ryan doesn’t have the same job security, and he’s installing a brand new system onto this team. its very possible that the jets are running a regular season game plan while the giants are running a bare bones game plan designed to keep their guys healthy while giving them easy reps.
Jacobs hasn't been in since the second offensive possession
what first team O are you talking about? The one complete drive he was in, we scored a TD.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm not Zillag
I’ll admit I’m a little negative but they look like the same team that struggled down the streach last year.
all I know...
is if they looked like the 11-1 team RIGHT NOW…I’d be all skeptic.
NO ONE GIVES A RATS ASS what the team looks like now.
I really don’t remember a Giants team that was ever all that cohesive (did Plax ever play in the preseason?) at this point.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 29, 2009 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions
Plax nor Toomer did not need the preseason
but Manningham, Smith and Hixon do their not as expierenced or talented. Manningham is basicly a rookie
Wow
I had to play catch up on DVR up to this point, so I finally am on the same page as everyone. Why are people just looking at stat lines? Are you not watching the same game? Someone already pointed this out, but take away the two drops and oh, yeah, Eli has 2 Tds and about 85 more yards passing. Manningham made two solid catches, as did Nicks.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 10:22 PM EDT reply actions
And add the PI that should have been called on Revis
during the 2 minute drill and they are moving in for another score
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 10:23 PM EDT reply actions
No sacks, good running, few penalties
even with this atrocious crew. They should have blown the Osi offsides dead, that takes away a long pass for Sanchez. And if Dockery doesn’t stop running there is no second Jets TD.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 10:24 PM EDT reply actions
Eli was ok
Two huge drops. I’m not that worried about him it’s these WR’s and the fact Dirty Sanchez went 12-21 for 150 and a TD against our starting D.
starting D
minus a few important pieces in the middle and secondary.
with CC brown back there i’d be happy with anything the secondary stops.
AP was the only important piece missing
Robbins and Cofield will be starting the season not Canty. CC Brown and Philips was not in but guess what he’s the #1 sub at saftey this year so unfortunatley he’s going to be out there this year
Good point
but Ross is not that much better than Thomas, I now Dockery started but if this was the regular season Thomas whould have started. Blackburn is a significant downgrade from AP while Thomas is not that much of a downgrad from Ross
disagree
Thomas is not a downgrade from Ross…
only in his 2nd year, he’s doing quite well…
and right now, in my book they equal, with Ross just having more experience…
I personally like Thomas to start over Ross, but he may not have that experience to be ready for it – from the coaches’ perspective.
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Eh, he's made plays
but two of them have been flukes. Well, maybe the long TD was a good throw, but again, Dockery looked like he was admiring the play.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions
that 1 TD he got..
with Stuckey – they had CCBrown in there and not Philips, so bad mistackle…and also Dockery was in on that play too..
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yeh, and the man's name is DAVID CARR
the man’s name is DAVID CARR…
DAVID CARR…
lol – feel bad for the guy!
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That wasn't the O-Line
is was our back-up tight end, Darcy Johnson.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions
darcy johnson
is gone for sure. boss is the starter, matthews is a decent blocker, and they drafted the kid beckum, no room for him even if he didnt suck.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Sorry for being Dr. Doom...
I’m passionate about the Giants, and that passion informs me to be honest about their
execution. You never know what might happen, but this WR crew is not ready to play.
Eli has no go to guy, and that is a problem… a major problem that will haunt and possibly bring down the season. Sorry, but it’s a fact.
It's also a fact
that a bomb MAY go off in the Gillette Stadium locker room, killing Tom Brady and Randy Moss.
Any time you state something “possibly” will happen, it is a fact by definition.
It is your OPINION that there is a likelihood of it. One I, and many others, disagree with.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions
overall they were ok
but they gave up the 2 big plays…
Stuckey TD
Goal line TD
a couple guys need to clean up their tackling – BIG TIME!
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yeah
carr put it right on the money
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Manningham
We have to reley on these guys week one and each of these guys have had some bad drops. Manningham will be a disaster this year. He is not ready at all. Does not run the right routes and has bad hands.
Just had a nice catch a minute ago, though
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions
He's never in sync with Eli
thats my biggest concern, it seems like he never knows what he’s doing kinda of like Shokey and if he starts dropping balls he’s as good as worthless when he’s out there. I really hope I’m wrong about him but last preason Hixon looked good in place of an injured Plax and Smith looked good the previous year in the preseason in place of Plax and Toomer and those guys have developed into ok WR’s. Manningham might be a starter and he just does not look right out there.
Man
David Carr is lookin’ like a real dog-killer right now.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions
why do you think they are playing him a lot
if you’ve noticed, he’s still in the game…they want him to grow…
players grow day to day, game to game, week to week – so it’s pretty premature to say the whole season…
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one thing is certain
derek hagan has worked his ass off to make this team and if he keeps playing like that he will
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:55 PM EDT reply actions
MOSS??
Is he out for this game? it wasn’t listed on the Injury list, and I thought they would give him some chances…
I’m personally on the fence with him and would think that the Giants would want to see more from him…
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wow...
what a play by nicks! great pass from carr, too
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions
Zillag's reply
Zillag: woohoo we’re winning it all, BABY!!!
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He's probably still fuming about the
Manningham drop.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm expecting him to come back
and tell me that Nicks looked like he was off-route by about 3 paces.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Carr has looked awesome
scrambling like a sociopathic enemy of PETA, and putting the ball in the exact right spot every time.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:57 PM EDT reply actions
Is it just me, or does Manningham to be in much better sync with Carr than with Manning?
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
id say
sinorice moss is usually carr’s go to guy, but he has looked for manningham a lot
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
nicks
i would love to see plays like this from him consistently this regular season
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 10:58 PM EDT reply actions
Nice one from Nicks
that was encouraging. 99 yard drive. And Mannigham does not run bad routes. He dropped a big pass, but he runs quicker routes then we are used to seeing. It’s just gonna take time to make that chemistry.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Have to disagree about Manningham
he does not run good routes, both TC and Eli have said it during training camp. Sure he’s talented thats why he’s getting a good look but on most incompletions you can see Eli and KG coaching him up on the sideline. Thats a big reason why he fell into the 3rd round when he had first round talent
That is only describing half the story
he makes mental mistakes, but Eli also said he gets out of his cuts faster than anybody he has thrown to before, i.e. the play in the game last week. He fell into the third round because he was a pothead, hopefully he cleaned that up.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions
A pothead
ooh boohoo.
I’ve never smoked in my life, and even I get why it’s stupid to drop someone on the draft board because the dude liked to toke in college. What NFL player didn’t at some point?
But yes, for the sake of the NFL drug policy, I’m hoping that’s gone.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
reminds me off
that SAY NO TO DRUGS commercial, where 3 guys are in a car going through a drive through b/c they have the munchies from smoking pot and they are rolling out and about to hit a kid…
I know it has nothing to do with Giants Football, but the message there is “POT KILLS”
in this case … its “POT also drops you to the 3rd round of the NFL draft”!
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LOL
exactly. Whatever your stance about it is, the way the laws are now, is it worth the millions of dollars you lose by smoking up? You can argue about the effects, but it does make people stupid.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeh, I agree
Manning still has problems with the timing between them too…
I think that’s why Carr has better timing with him…plus he throws a nicer ball which seems to me at least, that it has more zip than Manning’s.
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ooh
ouch. Bye DeAndre. It was nice knowing you.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
Nice catch by Nicks he should be the #3
in place of Manningham. He got a late start in camp and has looked a itlle uneven but that was a great play on the ball something no other Giants receiver can do.
Barden could do it
guy has awesome hands.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:01 PM EDT up reply actions
ugly
deandre wright, do you really want to play in the nfl?
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 11:00 PM EDT reply actions
shame too..
he has playmaker potential esp ST returns…at least from his college video
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again!
carr to nicks has been a very prolific combination
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Zillag...
if you have any doubts about the preseason M.O., look no further than the two point conversion play.
It was not called-for at all to go for it in that situation. But apparently Tom doesn’t put the same emphasis on POINTS and WINNING that you do in the preseason. He ran the play to, essentially, give the Giants an extra offensive play…not because it would give him the lead. Because THAT’S how you play the preseason.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
Don't be so tough on Zilag
Like I said earlier I could care less if they win the game, I understand they are going to go for two and go for it on fourth down and not play it exactly like they would in a regular season game but I do want the starters to look solid and I’m sorry the Defense was bad tonight against a bad offensive team. The D is a big concern for me. They played poorley down the stretch last year letting up a lot of big plays and it has continued into this preseason. Eli and the run game looked fine but the D is major concern because we will have to rely on them and until Nicks’s 4th quarter display the WR’s have SUCKED! Like I said I hope I’m wrong but the D has played poorley and thats a fact.
With 3 catches in garbage time
of a preseason game Nicks has outplayed any of the Giants vetern WR’s. I hope he’s the real deal because most of other WR’s (besides Hixon & Smith) would not make an NFL team.
What's up with Barden
Look I liked the pick and I hope he pans out but lets be honest it was a bit of a risk and what has he done other than practice real good, look like Plax in pads, and say the right things in interviews. Look maybee I’m being a little harsh but he did nothing in the preseason games. Just because he looks like Plax does not mean he will be as good as Plax. Why do you guys love him so much on this site. He’s a rookie and it will take time but if he was not a third round pick this year based on what he did in preseason games no he would not make an NFL team with good depth at WR. It seems as if he is a year or two away from making a significant contribution.
everyone knows
that it takes at least a good 2 or 3 years for WRs to get acclimated to the difference from college to the NFL game (with few exceptions)… he obviously has SOME skills and warrants to make any other NFL team. Once again, it’s your statement that he will not be able to make another NFL team, that is sooooo far fetch – that it makes it hard for anyone on here to really take you seriously as to having some intelligence about the NFL, just based on some of your comments
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Take it easy
I know it takes a few years for WR’s to develop but it’s also a fact most don’t develop see Sinorice Moss, Freddie Mitchel, Troy Williamson, Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, Kevin Dyson. I said that in my post my point was that in the live action games he did very little and I don’t think he’ll make a big contribution this year but a lot of fans on this sight talk him up like he’s going to step in and be Plaxico in a year or two and I’m not sure about that. I SAID if it was his third year and did what he did this preseason he would be cut and the only reason he will make the team is BECUSE of his future potential so for 2009 I think unless there are major injuries to the WR position he will be a non-factor. Why do have to insult my football intellegence just for disagreeing with you about a third round pick from Cal-Poly.
Really?
Smith wouldn’t make any other team? Did you even watch the Super Bowl? That third and 11 play alone is enough to put him in the top third of WR in the league.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions
He specifically said "besides Smith"
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions
You're right
my bad totally.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
I said beside Smith & Hixon
I think there OK and I think Smith might become a really good possesion WR while Hixon can stretch the field from Time to time they just don’t scare anybody.
youre right about that
most teams will be comfortable putting 8 or 9 in the box to stop the run and be fine with the giants receivers getting single coverage. its up to hixon, smith, manningham and nicks to make big plays and make them look foolish
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
They compliment each other nicely
and if one of Moss, Manningham, or Hagan decides he wants to make his presence known finally (and Lord knows they have the raw talent), they will have solid backups, while Barden and Hicks become the ‘scary’ guys.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I read your comment too fast
I apologize. But Smith has run at least 2 routes that will have defensive coordinators at least pensive. If he gets open long he will not drop more than he catches.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Hixon ran a great route
against the Eagles in December but he dropped the ball so the Eagles continued to stack the Box in the Playoffs. Your’re right Smith has run some good deep routes but until these guys catch a few no DC will loose sleep over these guys. It’s a little easier to catch underneath stuff than the deep stuff so Smitty needs to work on that because he’s our best bet to be a quality reciver this year.
Smith drops one ball
and all of a sudden, you’re blowing him up to some huge issue.
He’s got GREAT hands. Everything thrown to him sticks.
Yeah, it was an ugly drop…but in his young career, that’s the exception…not the rule. Don’t make this something it’s not.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
He dropped a deep balls
against Buffalo in the regular season that would of been a TD in 2007 and dropped a deep ball against the Steelers last year (though he did get hit hard on the play by Clark Haggins) . He also droped a sure first down in the SB in the Red Zone against the PATS that got picked. So this was his third bad drop on a deep ball. Read the article on NJ.com today that talks about the longest reception of his carreer is only 22 yards and he wants to change that.
So what we have, in actuality
is the one deep ball drop against Buffalo, a broken-up play in Pittsburgh, and a drop on a non-deep pass in the Super Bowl.
Sounds like not only a small sample size, but like you’re grasping at pretty much every drop in his Giants career to prove a point, regardless of context, and ignoring all his fine catches.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Read the article in NJ.com
If Mike Garafalo writes an article about him not catching deep balls and Smith in the article admits it’s something that he wants to work on because he did not do a lot of it in college and in his few NFL opportunities has failed to do it I’m going to think it’s a developmental opportunity for him. Then in the same day he gets a chance and drops one I’m going to be a little concerend considering he is our best WR. I did not say he has never made a good catch but usually it’s short stuff over the middle for about 6 to 12 yards nothing that stretches the field. He’s a good possesion WR and I like him a lot but he has not been a deep threat and he admits he needs to work on it. So if Steve Smith says he needs to work on it then I’m going to take his word for it rather than yours, sorry.
I read the article
you’re not the only one who knows who Garafolo is, I promise.
What I get out of it is Smith giving media-talking-points.
This isn’t my word vs. his. He said what he did because there’s nothing else he CAN say in those situations.
My point isn’t that he shouldn’t work on it. Hell, Randy Moss should always be working on his deep ball skills. It’s that I don’t see a whole lot of reason to think he NEEDS a ton of work…and the samples you used to make your point to the contrary were extremely flawed.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
What is your problem?
Most people that are not from NJ don’t read the Star-Ledger thus don’t know who MG is. I don’t know what paper you read and I was not challanging your obvious awsome football knowledge I was just referencing an article that pertained to our discussion. Mr. Caseys were all Giant fans here we can differ on opinions. Take it down a notch. The guy has never started as an outside reciver in the NFL and going deep was never his strenghth running good routes and being a possesion guy was. So like I said before if Smith thinks he needs to get better then well I feel the same way. And I have no idea how my samples are flawed he has gotten wide open and the ball thrown to him on deep patterns 4 times in his NFL carrerr (Buff in 07, Pitt 08 Philly playoffs 08 and tonight) and he’s dropped the ball 3 times Eli made an awful throw in the playoff game. He has averaged less than 10 yards a reception in his NFL carreer and only has one TD. I don’t see how those samples are as flawed as “He’s giving the media talking points.”
Here's the gist of it
1) I am from Jersey
2) Even if I’m not, as a Giants fan, it’d be hard not to know who the #1 Giants media coverage guy is.
3) Don’t quote YPC to me as evidence of anything other than as evidence of how a coach has used someone to this point.
4) 3 dropped deep balls aren’t a sample size.
5) I’m not saying Smith is a good deep-ball man. I’m just not saying he’s a bad one, or that he needs as much work as you do. This is the central point. Not that I’m right and you’re wrong, but rather that I don’t profess to know much about his abilities, whereas you claim he needs work based on an extremely limited set of examples. Why not tell me a minor league prospect needs to work on his contact skills because he struck out in his major league at-bat. Or that a 1st round running back needs to work on ball control because he fumbled his first hand-off.
All I’m saying is that I don’t think he needs to work on his deep-ball abilities any more than any other guy who plays WR. I don’t think it’s an issue. I don’t think it’s a non-issue. And I think coming to the conclusions you have based on your evidence is a poor way to form an opinion. That’s it.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 30, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions
Also, the evidence he'll be good at it
is about as strong as the evidence he’ll be bad.
He’ll be bad evidence: He’s dropped three deep balls in his careers.
He’ll be good evidence: He’s fast enough to get behind coverage, he’s smart, he runs good routes, and he’s always had good hands.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 30, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't get it
He’s never started as an outside WR and most of the patterns he’s run in his first two years was short stuff. If he was that great at it why would they start Hixon not Smith as the outside guy instead of Plaxico? I think it’s a big issue because Plaxico and Amani are not coming back so he needs to step up now and be a depandable all around WR not just a slot 3rd down guy and catching deep balls consistenly is part of that. This was not his first drop of a deep ball it was his third and he was a open all three times. When Tiki fumbled in 03 he worked on it and changed how he carried the ball in 04. Jacobs worked on it from 07 to 08. 0 for 3 in deep routes makes me concerened especially when he’s only played one full season and about 6 games in 07. His carreer has been a small sample and he’s played on the outside a few times but 0 for 3 worries me. Your anology to a baseball player is a lot different. Everybody strikes out in BB from time to time, it’s part of the game but dropping the ball when your wide open a few times in the same situation means you need to get a lot better. I don’t get all over Hixon for dropping that ball against Philly last year beacase he caught several nice deep balls so I know he has that skill set and he has not had that many more opportunities than Smith.
Dropping 3 balls doesn't make you Troy Williamson
Smith has good hands, so there’s reason to expect him to make a few more of those deep ball catches in the future.
He was on the outside in college but he still never really ran that go route all the time.
When you don’t do it that much in your life, its not a natural thing like it is for a guy like Moss or even Hixon.
Smith WILL catch more than a few bombs this season however.
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by FreeBradshaw on Aug 30, 2009 7:30 AM EDT up reply actions
My Point was
Smith has never caught a deep ball in his NFL carrer and has actually dropped the few chances he’s had most of his catches are short over the middle stuff which is a little easier than deep balls.
I personally think
Smith has already shown he’s a very good possession WR, what everybody forgets is that he also has some speed, and runs great routes…. he doesn’t need to scare anybody, doing that draws attention to you – and DC will start planning around you.
Much better to go under the radar and be sneaky fast…
plus, he hasn’t had the opportunity to play WR on the outside in the NFL…
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what a performance
from nicks. i love this guy!
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 29, 2009 11:07 PM EDT reply actions
What it does for Nicks and Carr
even though it’s with 2nd or 3rd stringers,
is it gives them confidence and also shows that he can at least catch the ball :)
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Who cares if it's a third string defense
the simple fact is the defense had nothing to do with Nicks’ HANDS on that ball. Sure they let him get open, but it was a GREAT catch away from his body that let him make the play. An IMMENSE positive for him.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Great point
I don’t care who he was playing against Nicks went after the ball and made some nice catches something Manningham and Moss have not done and they’ve had more opportunities. We need a guy that can that. I think after this game Nicks is working with the first team, he needs to develop some Chemistry with Eli. It’ll take time but he’s talented and hopefully his head is screwed on right and he’s smart like Smith and Hixon.
Terrible cut by Patrick
if he just kept drifting right it would have been a stroll in the garden. He’s PS material as insurance.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:11 PM EDT reply actions
Best performance by Carr
so far. I’m feeling a little better about him as the backup. Good conversation from everyone. Looking forward to the year, and you can’t keep me from that!
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 29, 2009 11:32 PM EDT reply actions
From what I saw...
the giants played pretty well, but lost intensity as Smith dropped that deep ball. I don’t know if it was intensity or concentration but you could tell their was a drop off. Sheridan again got conservative after the giants lost the lead. Initially he was doing a great job of bringing pressure but got away from it some what, fortuantley he stepped it up later in the game and it help out immensly. One big thing though…the Giants must do a better job of disgusing the blitz….team are picking it up and adjusting. The jets actually did a great job of that tonight…probably b/c of Ryan.
I still see a problem with the back up Oline guys…
Moss is clearly dropping out of favor with the coaches….
Blackburn played very well. Not sure why Carl Banks was praising D. Clark so much, didn’t see much from him tonight. Chase for SAM!
The WR’s had a bad game but i’m not worried….i counted 4 drops, but i also saw a lot of good things and I think that considering tonight was the first time they got significant action, that’s to be expected.
Great blocking by Barden…bad blocking by Beckum. Gilbride has got to use the right personel with some of these calls.
Nicks played well.
I noticed even when the ball wasn’t going his way Barden was getting open….
KG is not calling Boss’s number enough. But I guess when your trying to find out what you have at WR you should throw to them.
Funny you say that about Beckum
I saw one play specifically in which he chipped off a pass rusher to give Carr extra time.
by Caseys Kiss of Death on Aug 30, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions
A chip block is one thing...
because when he’s used to chip block or help someone out he’s much more sucessful…which was my point about personel.
When you put him on the line and ask him to pick up a DE or a LB by himself it’s a different story. When he was asked to block on the WR screen he was late getting over. I’m not knocking Gilbride but we know Beckum is really an Hback and not a pure TE…if he needs work in one area it’s blocking. Which was to be expected….
IMO
smith is better in the slot…i’m not saying this just b/c of the drop but I feel like if your going to take a shot deep early why not Hixon? Smith actually surprised me when he got behind the secondary … still can’t believe he dropped that pass though. Eli put it right on ’em.
I think the Giants rather have Hixon and Manningham playing outside w/ smith inside. The problem is i don’t think Manningham has earned it yet. Until he does Smith will continue to line up out there.
I agree
I think they want Nicks to be the #1. After tonight I hope they give him more of a look because I have not been impressed by Manningham at all. Hixon as an #2 on the outside with Smith in the slot. Lets hope Nicks continues to develop.
That's the goal...
and I agree, while Manningham has shown signs ….he hasn’t won anything right now…not even the #3 spot. You saw KG giving him an earful when the giants had to settle for a FG. It’s clear Eli is looking to him though in those situations which kinda does show me that he has some confidence in him. He really turned that corner around on the quick slant, that was pretty, but than he drops a pass that hit him in the chest.
Nicks officially surpassed Moss tonight if he hadn’t already. Hagan as well for that matter. Its’ pretty clear Moss and Tyree are gone.
I just really hope they don’t forget about Barden. I know he got a lot of snaps tonight but not a lot of passes. He’s a real weapon.
We better hope K. Philips or
even Michael Johnson don’t get hurt because CC is the #1 backup at saftey. He has not looked good at all. KP looks like he’ll be a player though.
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