Land of the Giants: Non-you-know-who edition
It wasn't easy to find enough stories for a 'Land of the Giants' post without discussing a certain former New York Giants receiver. But, I have a few things for your Friday afternoon reading please, so go ahead and waste some work time while you wait for the weekend.
- Here is a great snippet from Eli Manning about Ramses Barden, the mountainous 6-foot-6, 230-pound rookie wide receiver.
"I’m not sure I can throw a bad ball to him. He just seems to catch everything." One notable reception involved him leaping to full ability, reaching up his right arm (achieving nearly a 10-foot height) and hauling in a long sideline pass with one hand. "Nobody can cover that," Manning said.
- Free-agent defensive tackle Rocky Bernard has been back to practice for a couple of days. Thursday, he also returned to speaking to the media, which he had stopped doing after a bad experience in Seattle. Bernard said he is feeling pretty good.
"I don't feel like I'm too far behind," Bernard said. "The main thing is getting in football shape. You can run and ride the elliptical, but there's nothing like putting the pads on and playing. That's probably the main thing."
- Newsday's Neil Best caught up with ex-Giant Jason Sehorn to find out what he is up to these days.
- SI.com lists the most indespensable players on NFC teams. The Giant on the list? Brandon Jacobs. I can't argue with that, though Manning should also be in that discussion.
- SI has also ranked backup quarterbacks, and has the Giants David Carr 27th out of 32. I want to believe Carr is much better than that, but the more I see him up close in training camp the more he scares me. He has taken so many beatings over the years, he is jittery in the pocket even when he's wearing the red jersey -- which means he can't be hit. He can make plays, but he also makes a lot of problems for himself.
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I thought I had confidence in Carr as an adequate backup,
but your continuing reporting about him in camp has me as concerned as you. I have seen QBs who’ve been beaten up too much get happy feet and never recover(most memorably for me Joe ferguson.). I hope that’s not the case with Carr. One of the resaons I like Kurt Warner so much is that, despite the plethora of brutal hits he has absorbed, he hangs in there as staunchly as he ever did.
I think Carr would do just fine under certain circumstances.
1. Playing with the 1st string O-line.
2. Knowing that he doesn’t have to try to win the game single handedly, which was the case in Houston.
3. The confidence that the best running game in football can provide.
4. He is supported by a great multi-dimensional game plan
Remember, when Kurt Warner was here and all those ingredients weren’t yet in place even he was unable to look like the star that he is. When they are success is much more likely. Matt Cassell’s season last year is a perfect example of that.
by giant fan since 57 on Aug 22, 2009 6:15 AM EDT up reply actions
Carr is a tad scary
It is pre-season and he did have a couple of nice throws, but he still seems to have crazy feet when the pocket breaks down and gets frozen.
I am kinda leaning towards grabbing Tavaris Jackson for a 7th round draft pick. At least that is what the vikings want supposedly. He has experience, not the best arm, but would bring more of a Hostetler approach to the team. Maybe a bad comparison, but the Jackson can be dangerous. He would also give us some time to see what we have in Bomer and Woodson.
Just a thought.
Barden is getting so much hype
Manning, Reese, and the coaches all seem to love him, but I’m wondering how much of it is coming from their desire for a Plaxi-clone to come and save them. I’m not saying he won’t be good, I certainly have high hopes for him too. I just hope people aren’t expecting too much of him.
I just think this kid..
is good..He looks like a bigger Burress with a better work ethic. I give Reese and the coaching staff major kudos for finding this talented sleeping giant..
That Yahoo Sports team report also confused me
They wrote in two places that Nicks was threatening Hixon’s starting spot….I thought the expectations of him were being lowered for this year.
that's assinine...
but i’ll tell you what, i’m glad we got Nicks instead of Maclin….Maclin looked like a fish outta water last night for philly.
plus the giants have a pretty awful track record when it comes to drafting WR’s. Being that their first choice (supposedly) was Maclin i’m glad we didn’t get him….screwed up logic I know…but still, Maclin last night looked like Manningham last year….dazed and confused.
Nicks
is a work in progress,,I don’t see him playing a major role this year..I like him though..just needs some polish…and that is going to take awhile.
Agreed
but i think he is ahead of where Manningham was last year and Maclin is this year (not that i’m following the eagles or anything).
I think being in a pro style offense is what gave/gives him the edge. now he just gotta stay healthy.
it’s crazy…WR was a weak spot for us but in a years time it could be one of our strengths.
Kinda hard to argue against the QB
not being the most indispensable player on ANY team let along the giants…with exception to the Vikings and maybe even the Falcons.
All i know is that if i had to be without one giant for a game….the last guy i’d chose would be Eli. Jacobs is the straw that stirs the drink but you need your QB.
And the hype over Barden is real…knowing the giants organization and coughlin they don’t like to hype up anyone let along a rookie. It’s just Barden has earned it with his play on the field. I hope he gets some reps with Eli on Saturday but i know he won’t…
Yes your absolutely right...
..and we allknow given the way Branden plays the game, that he’ll get nicked up..and the QB is really the starw that stirs that drink..
Is it wrong...
…that I’m getting a little aroused thinking about Barden?
Maybe it’s because his name is Ramses, I don’t know.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 21, 2009 3:08 PM EDT reply actions
Yes.
Yes, it is.
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 21, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions
If that's wrong...
Than I’m going to hell with you.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 21, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Most Indispensible Player
Jacobs? I mean he’s extremely important to our running game, but we could survive without him for a short period. If I’m thinking the one player I don’t want to end up injured I’m saying Eli or O’Hara. We might lost the smashing offense with Jacobs, but without Eli we’re running Carr who sees a hand break into the pocket and instantly decides to book it. If either of those two guys goes, our offense will be in some trouble. Oh man, if both went down? Could Carr become a 1,000 rusher with just lateral and negative yards considering how long he’ll be running?
It’s a shame really. Aside from moving out of the pocket too much (and going backwards nonetheless) Carr showed some very good skills Monday.
Some people might say
the most indispensable player to the Giants success just got a two year prison sentence ;)
No you didn't
You couldn’t let ONE installment get by without bringing up the one who will not be named. You love him that much, go to jail so you can marry him.
Bleeding Blue since 1962
I did everything I could
not to hit that POST button, but it was far too tempting. I plan to meet him at jail, just to see how many cigs he wants for the SB ring.
Better than a lobster dinner!!
..and real close to getting laid..but not that close..haha!!
The SI Article About Jacobs
At the beginning of the article the author says that he left Qbs out of the equation because of there obvious importance.
si ranking
Carr by one pre-season game? Behind 2nd tier o line? Yeah, I know his history! But at least he’s got one. half the guys ranked ahead of him have barely taken any snaps.
by jerseybillfromva on Aug 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions
Don Banks
Is officially on my Sh*t list.. the sports media in general is too for their constant oral copulation of the Eagles and Cowboys over the last couple seasons.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
I agree...
..but I love it when these writers disparage our guys..It puts chips on their shoulders..they respond on the field..The more they send that kind of crap over the fence at our team, the merrier. Our team doesn’t need bulletin board fodder, all they need is these writers critizing them…Our team will show up and blow smoke out of their noses to prove them wrong.
Carr's good
Until he feels the pressure.
Than, as people have said, he gets Happy Feet. Hey, if you spent years behind the Texan’s early OL, you’d be scarred too.
ah.....the media.
let them hand the vikings and eagles their super bowl trophies before the season even starts. during the giants super bowl run a couple years ago they were the team that was constantly under the radar, and they fed off that and it raised their level of play. people have already forgot the giants won the nfc east last year, the toughest division in football. no one will be paying any attention to the G Men, but they’ll still be playing solid football. watch out.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 21, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions
Backup QB Rankings
I have to officially discredit Don Banks as a sports journalist of any value after this article. I was shocked when our Mr. Valentine gave us Carr’s rank ranking. I’m well aware of his happy feet, but he’s been reasonably adequate considering he is a back up. The real problem I’m having w/ this article is the name’s in front of Carr.
Andrew Walter. Who? Just b/c Darth Sweatshirt scooped him up from Oakland means he has worth? Cause it’s not like they had a hole to fill.
Matt Flynn. Beating out a fellow draft class member isn’t all that impressive.
Jim Sorgi. He has all that playing time under his belt.
Brodie Croyle. Not even an official 2nd stringer, and doubtfully will be.
Dan “Where’s the Back of the Endzone” Orvlosky. I **** you not.
and the one that made me realize all this horse hockey
Chad Henne. Not that I have anything against him. But it’s what was written that set me off. And I quote:
“Henne is a great example of a young passer who is fairly well thought of, and the Dolphins still consider him their quarterback of the future. But the reality is, no one has ever seen him deliver in the NFL, so we’re just projecting him as an upper tier backup.”
So b/c he’s “well thought of” w/in his organization, your projecting that he will eventually be an upper tier backup, and that’s the rationale for making him the 11th ranked QB on the list?
There were others on the list that left your head scratching, but I had already taken too much of your time on this rant. Thanks, I needed that.
Those Damn Cowpokes..
They rolled over the Titans like a machine last night..I hope our guys take notice..They are going to be pushovers…Plus, Frogman Jones installed a damn HDTV screen so big you can’t punt the damn ball without hitting it!..Frogman probably did that on purpose!..It is footballs version of a “Duck Blind” for crying out loud..He now has a perfect high definition view of himself running the team.
the whole idea
that the Cowpokes are the team under the radar this year (the Giants are still talking about as SB contenders, the Pokes are “can they make the playoffs” contenders).
The Cowboys, if Felix Jones stays healthy and Jason Garrett’s brain reminds him of what he has (run the ball you idiot) will be tough. Their defense is NFC Beast approved too. They didn’t do much in the offseason, but they were talented anyway so they really didn’t need an ‘upgrade’.
They seem to have the same problem as the Giants i.e WR. Witten trumps anything the Giants have, and at least Roy Williams has been around a bit so you know what you have (even if its NOT a #1 WR, he can still break out for a monster game or 3)
I’m actually more a scared of the Cowboys right now than the Eagles (who truth be told, still aren’t all that great)
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with this
the dismissal by many of the Cowboys concerns me a bit. All they’ve done is gotten rid of the problems from the past few years. And I love calling Tony Romo a choker b/c he hasn’t won a playoff game yet, considering he’s got the same playoff record that Eli had before the ’07 run.
yea...
I mean I call him a choker too, but if you look at the games, overall he’s the reason they are right in it.
I mean he F’ed up the snap in the Seachicks game, but the Giants game it was really that 1st half 2 minute drive by the Giants that was given life by the Cowboy’s D’s stupidity.
Romo to me overall is arguably the best (at least most talented) QB in the East.
There, I said it. Time to shower.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2009 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Hahaha!!
I need a shower too after that comment!!..Seriously though I think you could argue that..but let’s see what happens with Eli this year..This is the year he should breakout…but after last night in Chicago, I don’t know….At least Eli doesn’t smile when he “chokes” like Romo and McNabb do…and I am starting to think that the statement Eli made about he doesn’t think he can throw a bad ball to Barden, is because he isn’t throwing anything downfield…The only bright spot from a receiver standpoint was that 55 yarder from Woodson to Nicks.
I've always maintained that the NFC east...
will send 3 teams to the playoffs again this year.
No reason why Dallas can’t win the 2nd wildcard seed.
as for who’s scarier…philly or dallas…i’d say philly only because they got us twice last year but Dallas should be right there.
Philly got us twice last year.....
more reason to believe that the Giants take 2 this year.
I doubt there’s 3 teams in hte Beast this year, there’s plenty of improved teams in other divisions.
Now, that’s not to say it won’t happen. I think all 4 teams in the beast matchup with almost anyone in the league.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
The way they played last night..
Everybody’s going to beat us..They stunk across the board..geez what a godawful display of ineptness.
..and the Yanks got trounced...
Talk about a bummer Saturday evening!

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