thanks to his time at Houston. I know that sounds like a very simple reason for someone to struggle but I just don’t think he’s even worth a spot on a roster with that type of confidence. He ought to look into coaching, because that’s about all he could do now.

This is gonna sound nasty, but it must be said. Manningham has great athleticism and receiver skills. Why did he fall to the third round? Well, maybe it had something to do with the fact that his Wonderlic score was leaked to be in the single digits. That’s the brief IQ test the combine administers. I’ve never heard of a score that low. The last one leaked to be close to that was William Jacobs who supposedly scored 11. Jacob’s performance on the field did not belie that report. It’s just not surprising that a guy with that score would have a very hard time learning what to do on the field. The average Wonderlic score of an NFL player is 21, according to this interesting link: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/closer/020228.html. By the way, Jonathan Goff supposedly scored very high last year, almost a perfect score.

Here’s an article that purports to present the wonderlic scores of lots of NFL quarterbacks over many years. It has some credibility in my opinion because it’s hosted on the University of North Carolina website and the author has apparently produced some scholarly studies, including one that says there’s no connection between intelligence and completion percentage among college quarterbacks. You’ll note that not one of the hundreds listed had a score in the single digits. A couple did have scores of 11.

http://www.unc.edu/~mirabile/Wonderlic.htm

He and Hagan stood out the most to me.

…we’re screwed anyway.

As I said before he got pounded in Houston, and has yet to get over the “Pocket Jitters”..If he could learn to trust his OL, he could start somewhere, someday..but he is not there yet…It would be nice to see how he behaves when playing with the starting OL unit.

Carr is smart, owns a rifle arm, but when he jumps the gun and leaves the pocket too quick, he loses his downfield vision and backs himself into a corner, reduces his downfield opportunities by 2/3 and still winds up getting smashed to the ground more often than not. If he maintains this trend he will suffer far worse beatings than by sticking with his line. He needs to forget his Houston experience and stop causing the same pounding on his own for bailing out too fast.

..Some of the all-time great QBs they stay in the pocket and can move around inside of it to avoid problems, they did it and do it with great skill..Names that come to mind are Montana, Marino, Fouts..These days we have Brady, Peyton, Eli..One of the best ever was our beloved Phil Simms..He would hang in there until the very last second, deliver the ball and get hit, then get up and do it over and over..(of course we all know that Phil averaged a 4.5 in the three yard dash..lol).

Carolina on Monday:
I have seen no mention of the TD pass from Carr that Manningham dropped in the end zone. Line of scrimmage was the 30, Carr dropped back almost 10 yards, threw it 5 yards deep into the end zone, for 45 yards in the air. It was not touched by a defender, hit MM right in his hands.

Minnesota on 12-28-08 — Carr’s only real playing time:
The Giants were safely in the playoffs, while MN had to win, or depend on the Bears to lose, to make it into the playoffs. Manning played the first half, went 11 for 19, 119 yards, no TDs, with MN leading 10-9.
Carr started the second half, went 8 for 11, 110 yards no turnovers, no sacks, one TD, playing with many subs. When he left the game with 3 minutes left, the Giants had a 19-17 lead. The defense couldn’t hold and MN won on a last play FG. Not bad for a guy who had played only a few downs all year, playing against a team trying to make the playoffs for the first time in 4 years.

Carr vs. Schaub — at Houston:
Carr is tough as nails, while Schaub can’t take a punch. In 5 seasons with the worst o-line in pro ball, Carr started all 16 games in four of the seaons and missed only 4 games, all in his second season. In summary, he started 75 out of 80 games.
In those 5 seasons, he took 249 sacks. I saw him many times get hit before he even finished dropping back. Very often, turning around to have someone right in his face. I’ve seen as many as three rushers coming in apparently untouched. With that many sacks, he only lost 22 fumbles, or a 9% rate.
Schaub, with a much improved o-line, though the first-string QB has started only 22 games out of 32, or failed to start about 30% of his games, compared to Carr’s 6%. Schaub has been sacked 39 times and lost 7 fumbles, or an 18% rate, compared to Carr’s 9%.

Perspecitve:
Just trying to put things into perspective. Granted, he has picked up some bad habits while running for his life, but with a good line and more playing time, those should be worked out. He needs to just get rid of the ball rather than taking a sack. He may be trying too hard to make a play, but coaching should solve that.