New York Giants training camp: Wednesday morning practice report
by Ed Valentine on Aug 19, 2009 12:18 PM EDT
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PrintIt was back to work this morning at UAlbany for the New York Giants as they prep for this weekend's second exhibition game.
Let me start today by getting up on my soapbox. The NFL has handed the Giants the most ill-conceived training camp schedule possible. Because of league rules governing how many practices a team can have before its first exhibition game, the Giants were the last team in the league to start camp -- meaning they will actually get in fewer practices than any other team.
Now, after playing Monday night the Giants have to turn around and be in Chicago for their second game just five days later. That means they have today and tomorrow for practice, and a quick walk-thru Friday morning. Hardly the way a team wants to conduct training camp and get ready for a regular season that isn't that far off.
Coach Tom Coughlin expressed his feeling about the situation this morning after practice. Especially since the Giants will be doing some game planning for the Bears game.
"Let's put it this way. I wouldn't design it that way," Coughlin said. "I think what we did this morning was a good positive step for our players. To call it pre-season, it's not pre-season when you're doing things like this and it's really not conducive to the growth that you normally get between the first and second games. But you do the best you can with it. We'll use it as a challenge and our guys will have to respond."
Injury Notes
- Free-agent defensive tackle Rocky Bernard practiced for the first time, and took some snaps during 11-on-11 drills. "It was good to get him out there," Coughlin said, although he admitted Bernard will be "very limited" for now.
- The news is not as good on Chris Canty, whom Coughlin said still has some swelling in his knee.
- Corey Webster, Aaron Ross and Steve Smith all returned to practice this morning.
Practice Notes
- David Tyree still seems unlikely to make the 53-man roster, but he won't go down without a fight. Tyree made the play of the morning, catching a deep ball from David Carr that drew the biggest cheer of the practice from the small crowd in attendance.
- Sinorice Moss also hauled in a long ball from Carr.
- The bad news about both of those plays was that the defender victimized on both was cornerback Bruce Johnson, who followed up a good game Monday with a bad practice.
- Mario Manningham made a couple of plays Monday, but there was also some discussion of a couple of mental errors the second-year wide receiver made. He made another one this morning, lining up on the wrong side of the field during a two-minute drill. Eli Manning corrected him.
Other Stuff
- Coughlin admitted he was not happy with the play of the backup offensive lineman Monday night.
"Quite frankly we have to get better play out of that second offensive line before anybody's gonna do anything," Coughlin said.
- Coughlin was asked to assess Danny Ware, who is likely to be part of the running back rotation.
"Danny Ware is a good football player," Coughlin said. "He's just gotta show us that he can do it consistently, and do all the things we ask him to do."
- Coughlin was also asked to assess the uneven play play of backup quarterback Andre Woodson Monday night.
"I'm disappointed in the interception, yeah," Coughlin said. "I certainly would have wanted to see more."
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Holding my breath regarding Canty..
I’m sure he would play if it was the regular season, and i’d much rather have him sit out than aggravate something. I’d rather err on the side of caution than have someone who’s hurt practice and make it worse.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 19, 2009 12:48 PM EDT reply actions
Agreed
It has now reached the point of concern, however.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 19, 2009 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree it's concerning
But i’m not “concerned” yet (if that makes sense.) Until something else happens that proves to me that this defensive line isn’t loaded, i won’t be bothered by one player on the sideline.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 19, 2009 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions
*The only thing that bothers me about it
is the fact that he’s owed so much money. But we also have to remember that Canty has been very durable throughout his career knocks wood.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Yup, first thing on my mind before I read the comments
Although on the plus side, it’s nice to see the starting CB’s and Bernard come back in. Any word on whether any of them will play on Sat. or is it too early?
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions
No way Rocky is ready
and I wudl doubt Ross as well. Webster maybe.
remarkable...
the only FA we signed who is not injured is the guy who was injured all of last season…C.C. Brown.
i think there is something more to it
generally guys will work hard to try and endear themselves to new teammates.. harder work equals more injuries. If we really really needed these guys, i’d be concerned.. but at this point, they’re a luxury.
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 19, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions
good point...
i hope that’s all it is. Obviously we’re stacked at DT. I think Cofield is due for a big year…
God hear my prayers...
please let us make it to week one with a full starting lineup, no more major injuries or games missed. we’ve sacrificed andre brown for you, please do not ask any more of us. if you really need a sacrifice, please go over to the Eagles….as you have done so many times already. amen.
Amen
Verily, He pray that he will see fit to pass over the Giants and extract His tithe from the Dallas Cowboys.
Hey Ed...
not that i want to tell you how to do your job, but you should throw a Corey Webster post up if you get a chance.
obviously i’m a big CWeb fan but i saw some stats that were kinda eye opening. I thought since the playoff in ‘07 and last year he elevated his stats to fall somewhere between top 5-10. I think even in Giant circles Corey is pretty under estimated. IDK, to me he’s a pro bowl caliber corner but because he doesnt’ get as many interceptions he doesn’t’ get noticed. I’m always arguing w/ Eagles and Cowboys fans about it…they usually laugh at me…but check this out:
This is an article dedicated to the 25 CBs who are currently playing the best football. I look at many factors to determine what 25 CBs are playing the best football. Attempts (passes thrown at the CB), total yards (including penalty yards), yards per attempt (YPA), TDs allowed, incompletions forced, non forced incompletions, pass deflections, INTs, safety help, man/zone coverage, level of competition, efficiency, hot and cold streaks, and pass rush. This article is intended to open people’s eyes and minds as to who are truly the best CBs in the league.
1. Nnamdi Asomugha
Season Total: 29 attempts, 4.97 YPA, 62.07 Forced INC%, 0 TDs
2. Corey Webster
Season Total: 63 attempts, 4.11 YPA, 63.49 Forced INC%, 1 TD
3. Charles Woodson
Season Total: 62 attempts, 5.87 YPA, 56.45 Forced INC%, 0 TDs
4. Chris Johnson
Season Total: 45 attempts, 5.20 YPA, 53.33 Forced INC%, 1 TD
5. Al Harris
Season Total: 35 attempts, 5.51 YPA, 51.43 Forced INC%, 2 TD
6. Darrelle Revis
Season Total: 68 attempts, 5.10 YPA, 50.00 Forced INC%, 1 TD
7. Sheldon Brown
Season Total: 58 attempts, 5.10 YPA, 43.10 Forced INC%, 0 TDs
8. Brandon Flowers
Season Total: 61 attempts, 4.85 YPA, 34.43 Forced INC%, 0 TDs
9. Ronald Bartell
Season Total: 87 attempts, 5.97 YPA, 45.98 Forced INC%, 1 TD
10. Samari Rolle
Season Total: 43 attempts, 4.05 YPA, 51.16 Forced INC%, 0 TDs
11. Stanford Routt
Season Total: 37 attempts, 5.41 YPA, 48.65 Forced INC%, 2 TDs
12. Carlos Rogers
Season Total: 101 attempts, 5.83 YPA, 47.52 Forced INC%, 4 TDs
13. Antoine Winfield
Season Total: 56 attempts, 6.20 YPA, 37.50 Forced INC%, 2 TDs
14. Quentin Jammer
Season Total: 82 attempts, 6.06 YPA, 40.24 Forced INC%, 4 TDs
15. Kelvin Hayden
Season Total: 42 attempts, 6.21 YPA, 45.24 Forced INC%, 1 TD
16. Deshea Townsend
Season Total: 30 attempts, 6.00 YPA, 40.00 Forced INC%, 0 TDs
17. Richard Marshall
Season Total: 34 attempts, 4.53 YPA, 32.35 Forced INC%, 1 TD
18. Asante Samuel
Season Total: 71 attempts, 6.45 YPA, 42.25 Forced INC%, 3 TDs
19. Leigh Bodden
Season Total: 75 attempts, 6.84 YPA, 40.00 Forced INC%, 3 TDs
20. Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Season Total: 71 attempts, 6.55 YPA, 43.66 Forced INC%, 4 TDs
21. Nick Harper
Season Total: 85 attempts, 5.81 YPA, 38.82 Forced INC%, 2 TDs
22. Cortland Finnegan
Season Total: 78 attempts, 7.56 YPA, 44.87 Forced INC%, 0 TD
23. Marcus Trufant (NR)
Season Total: 85 attempts, 6.95 YPA, 44.71 Forced INC%, 5 TDs
24. Phillip Buchanon
Season Total: 66 attempts, 7.61 YPA, 30.30 Forced INC%, 2 TDs
25. Jabari Greer
Season Total: 47 attempts, 5.81 YPA, 42.55 Forced INC%, 2 TDs
by andiamo708 on Aug 19, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Very Interesting Stats
Very interesting indeed.
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by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know how definitive those #'s are (they seem pretty telling to me)
but C-Web is arguably the second best CB in the game, maybe even the best?
I knew he was very good (and ovbviously underrated), but that he just might be teh best CB in the game? Wow…..
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
the kid out in Oakland
he’s the best…did you see how many passes when in his direction last year….29!!! that’s crazy.
That is pretty insane.
However Webster did see 34 more balls and still managed the best forced INC% on this list, you would think with more attempts the average would climb a bit.
He’s also playoff tested…so I’d take him over Nnamdi any day.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions
don't get me wrong
webster is one of my favorite giants, but there’s a reason Nnamdi only had 29 passes go in his direction last year….plus his percentage is just under C Webs and of course he never gave up a TD last year.
the point of the article was just to prove how good C Web really is…weather he’s #1 or #2…or #5 for that matter….he deserves his credit.
Totally Agree.
But I think you also have to take into account Nnamdi has the ABSOLUTE PLEASURE of playing in the AFC West…
Put him in the NFC Beast and I’d be willing to bet he doesn’t put up those same dominant numbers.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
that would be interesting...
i’m sure a lot of oakland fans would disagree …. i find that this is a touchy subject with fans around the league…and one that hardy gets discussed.
I can definitely see Oakland fans arguing...
And with good reason. The kid has done nothing but show he’s the best in the situation he been asked to perform in.
But I don’t think anyone in there right mind can argue that the Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, and Broncos (who have a combined total of 0 Super Bowl appearances since ‘01) are on the same level as the Giants, Eagles, Cowboys, and Skins…that’s just nonsense in my mind.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
one could also argue
that since Oak stinks teams do not pass as much against them because opposing teams constantly have a lead…so if anything teams run more vs oak not pass.
Very true...
Teams are more likely to be behind against the Giants than the Raiders, and that might explain why Webster has so many more passes attempted in his direction.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I can't see how this is close
Cory Webster is good don’t get me wrong, but even teams with ELITE recievers don’t try Asomugha. I know this because of fantasy stats. Anytime someone had a elite WR. Steve Smith (the other one) for example got 0’d out against him. Brandon Marshall…guy is a beast, Asomugha shut his butt down. Andre Johnson…done.
Can we say Corey Webster could blanket those guys? I don’t know. Asomugha is so good cause he is 6’2 and lengthy yet has the comeback speed of a guy who is shorter. He can be physical with big receivers yet hang with the tiny quick guys.
It's close...
Because if you go by the stats, Webster has been better. But we all know stats don’t tell the whole story so it’s just fun to talk about why…
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 20, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
if you want to get really nitpicky..
The AFC west has some of the best offenses in the NFL.. and the reason he only got 29 balls thrown in his direction is because QB’s are terrified to put it anywhere near him. Nnamdi Asomugha may be the single best player in the NFL at any position. Watch him be a dominant safety toward the end of his career a la ronnie lott.
President of the Ramses Barden Fan Club
by Hoyadestroya85 on Aug 19, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions
well...
IMO Asomugha is the best right. regardless of his level of competition or where he plays, he’s still #1….
All this shows
is that Webster, while the media and ESPN (and Eagles fans) don’t want to admit it, is one of the top 3 corners in the game.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2009 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Wow.
I mean, obviously, Asomugha is so frightening that no one will even throw it to him. But Webster is passed the ball pretty regularly, and holds these guys to the lowest YPA among anyone there.
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-Tug McGraw
Give credit to the D-line
I’m sure that Webster’s stats are helped by the fact that Giants can put tons of pressure on opposing QB’s.
if nothing else...
it’s a pretty interesting topic and should bring in some comments…i know i get the eagles / cowboy / redskins fans really riled up….
Regarding our quarterback play.
It’s hard to be overly critical of Woodson yet. He is still too green to be dismissed.
On the other hand I think most of us were satisfied with David Carr’s performance, especially the passes to Moss. Those two really seem to be on the same page. If the worst happens this year, we could still have a chance with Carr. You can’t ask for much more than that out of your backup.
by giant fan since 57 on Aug 19, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions
Kind of wondering
How Champ Bailey is not on the list. Been a Giants fan since I was 6 and moved to Colorado at age 7. All I hear is Broncos this and Broncos that. So understandably I watched a decent amount of the Broncos, which I hate but its football and we dont always get Giants games out west. But alot of announcers consider him a top 5 corner in the league and hes nowhere on that list. Makes me proud actually!
the Bronco's defense has sucked for yeards
he even had a very good corner (supposedly) opposite him for a number of years in Dre Bly…defense still sucks.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
***yeards is another word for years BTW.....
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 19, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions
most likely because Champ was injured last year
those stats i posted were from last year, i think Champ had a groin problem last year….that’s why he’s not there.
Ross
now he’s a different story…I’ve always maintanined that Ross never really had a drop off from his 1st and 2nd season, but when Corey emerged as a top corner other teams just started throwing at Ross and that’s when he started to get beat more.
He’s going into his 3rd year…i think this is the make or break year. the good news is we have a solid guy in Thomas right behind him.
I’m also looking for Kiwi to have a much better year. I was not impressed at all from last year and was pretty critical of him… but i had to give him a break b/c when they asked him to move to LB that really changed the type of player he was. Before I thought he was under sized for DE and really only had an outside move….a move that often times left our defense MORE vulnerable because he would give up contain and just go flying way behind the QB. But i gotta say, Kiwi looks bigger to me and i think he’ll develop that inside move that he so desperately needs…or a bull rush.
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