Land of the Giants: More from Monday night's victory over Carolina
Admit it. You enjoyed watching Monday night's 24-17 victory over Carolina by our New York Giants. But, you were holding your breath the whole time (well, not literally) praying that no key Giants were injured.
I know I was. So, I was thrilled that the Giants -- as far as we know -- came out of the game unscathed.
I was also thrilled to see that Osi Umenyiora, who lost last season due to a pre-season knee injury, looked like the Pro Bowl Osi of old in his short stint. It is also great to hear how Umenyiora felt about his first game action in a year.
Honestly, when I was out there, it felt like I had never really left. I’ve been here so long -- maybe if I had been here for like a year or two years, but I mean seven years…I felt right at home.
- File this one in the 'What, you expected to solve all the world's problems in one night?' department. The Sporting News came to the brilliant conclusion after Monday night that the Giants still don't know who will get the lion's share of playing time behind starting wide receivers Domenik Hixon and Steve Smith. Umm ... gee, that was a hard thing to figure out. Get used to it, because my guess is that is going to change several times as the season goes along. I was just happy that guys like Mario Manningham and Ramses Barden got open, and caught what came in their direction. As long as the receivers catch what comes their way, the Giants will be fine.
- Great quote from Danny Ware on his 36-yard touchdown reception, a screen pass in which he blasted past tackle Guy Whimper as though the 302-pound tackle was stuck in cement.
Yeah, I saw him, he didn’t have to go block anybody so I just ran past him and tried to get in the end zone. If I would’ve got tackled, I probably would’ve yelled at him, and told him he had to get up in front of me.
- Steve Serby of the New York Post breaks down David Tyree's competition as he fights for a roster spot. Be sure to vote in our Tyree poll over in the right column and let us know if you think he makes the season-opening 53-man roster.
- Eli Manning as Forrest Gump? Not sure I like Barbara Barker's analogy. I do agree, however, with her conclusion that the Giants will get their money's worth from Manning over the next seven seasons.
I think it's safe to say Manning isn't the best player in the history of the game. In fact, it's pretty safe to say he isn't the best player in the game today. He doesn't deserve to make more than Tom Brady, more than Ben Roethlisberger, more than his brother Peyton.
Yet by having his contract expire for the right team at the right time, Manning has become the NFL's $96.5-million man. And the weird thing is, just as it was hard to get mad at Forrest Gump for his good luck, it's hard to get mad at Manning for doing the best he could with the incredible situation that was handed him.
At least this is what I was thinking last night as I watched Manning play one quarter and throw only three passes in the Giants' preseason opener against Carolina.
It didn't matter that some of my sportswriting brethren were cracking jokes about Manning now having made $7.65 million per completion so far. It didn't matter that about half the fans at the stadium were wearing Manning jerseys and that they certainly would have liked to see a little more air time from Manning than a pair of 13-yard completions.
What mattered is that Manning did the job he was supposed to do. And if he continues to do that, the Giants are going to get more than their $96.5 million out of him.
Of course, all anyone cares about is the end of the season. And the bet here is the Giants' seasons are going to have more happy endings in the next seven years with Manning than they would without him.
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Sintim's performance last night.
You know after last night’s preseason game and everybody going asolutely gaga over that fact the Eagles signed Vick, I can’t wait to see the Wildcat. The Giants should just put Sintim on which ever QB is going wide and physically punish them.
LOL!!
Jaworski actually mentioned that teams will start doing that. Putting a corner in ‘press’ coverage on the QB out wide and making sure he takes a good shot at him. That will lead to the QBs being taken off the field.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
The wildcat will be exticnt once a star QB takes a good shot and is out 2 to 4 weeks. Can’t really see the wildcat becoming a staple in the NFL.
they could always turn around and run away
plus, Donny Mac and a few others are about LB size themself
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 18, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I think Jaworski actually said teams would put a safety out there, for what it's worth
But the point is as you said – they’re going to put someone physical out there and hit the QB at the line. The catch is, if the QB who’s split out is Vick rather than Chad Pennington, you have to be able to catch him first.
Why stop at a corner though?
We are loaded at end tackle. I say sell out to destroy the QB out wide so they lose all taste for the Wildcat.
Last night seemed
to show an indication the Giants couching staff would like Manningham to step in as #3. He was pretty quick in his routes and had reliable hands.
Made a great catch over his head...
But did drop one that was thrown slightly behind…hit him in the hands.
I also noticed Barden is asking a lot of questions, and Eli is taking time to discuss things with him. I have a feeling he’ll be getting a lot of time on the field by years end.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 18, 2009 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions
It was slightly thrown behind him....
but it hit him right in the hands, he needs to make that catch.
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions
It hit him in the hands because he reacted quickly to get his hands back there.
It was a poor throw to a wide open receiver.
If it hits you in the hands...
You have to catch it, end of story.
Even moreso if you’re wide open…
"We'll show up tomorrow and do the same thing we try to do every day, Kick Pedroia's ass in cribbage and try and win a baseball game."
by tito (eight and oh) on Aug 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli comment
That really irks me, essentially she is calling him mentally handicapped.
And why is Serby writing about the Giants? Did the Jets get contracted?
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by Jim Schmiedeberg on Aug 18, 2009 11:37 AM EDT reply actions
unfortunately the Jets are still in the NFL
but when I saw the shot of the Old Giants stadium next to the new stadium, I wondered what a great idea it would be to have the Jets play in the old stadium while the Giants play in the new digs.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 18, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
good performance last night
as far as the first preseason game goes. bradshaw and ware looked very capable backups to BJ, the pass rush is strong, receivers were solid but spread out. the only thing that can majorly hurt this team is an injury to eli (i cant stand carr) or one or more injuries to the o line. the g men should seriously think about bringing in a veteran linemen who can play multiple positions before the regular season starts.
by GiantsReignSupreme on Aug 18, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions
WR by committee?
If we can have a RB by committee why not WRs?
We don’t need a 100 catch, 1000 yard receiver to be successful.
by John W on Aug 18, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
WR by comitee!
jerry reese knows what he is doing. You don’t need a # 1 reciever. Barden has got to attack the football. The last int was his fault.
Woodson has to know
that ball has to be chucked into the seats. Across the body a bit and scrambling? That is a BAD combination.
What?
Barden’s fault? Did you watch the throw? There is no way Woodson should have thrown the ball. You can’t blame that one on the receiver.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Not only that...
but there was a receiver wide open down the field about 12 yards behind Barden! I couldn’t see who it was but they were wideeeee open i swear.
LETS GO GMEN
by I_Formation27 on Aug 18, 2009 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
yea, I saw that too
though from the angle focusing on Barden, it was hard to tell where the safety was – it’s possible he wasn’t as open as he looked
I agree with the others...
NO WAY was that int Barden’s fault. Maybe if Woodson could’ve thrown that ball a little more away from the sideline Barden could have caught it but if he tried anything, it would have been offensive pass interference. That CB was too far from him for him to make a play. If you had noticed, you would’ve seen his momentum was actually pulling him away from the sideline. There was NO WAY anyone comes up with that ball. Fitz couldn’t even do it with how poorly that ball was thrown IMO.
In Reese We Trust
3rd and 4th Quarter
I was a bit worried watching our offense in the 3rd and 4th quarters. It all comes down to Kevin Gilbride. Even Jaws and Tirico mentioned that there was an excess of running plays which kind of defeated the purpose of seeing what our back-up QB’s can do. I’ll hold back on Woodson for now but if he has another game like last nights then theres no way he makes the team. I was excited to see what Bomar could do but he kept handing the ball off. I’d like to see Bomar get more playing time on Saturday…And run some plays for Beckum!! For all my gamers out there, Beckum is a beast in Madden 10! check it out.
LETS GO GMEN
Lay off Gilbride
If you are killing Gilbride for play-calling in the second half of an exhibition game you are just looking for an excuse to be a hater. That’s completely ridiculous. You have a bunch of horrible offensive lineman in the game at that point and you are just trying to get through without getting someone killed. I’m not listening to Gilbride nonsense in the pre-season!
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree with ed...
it’s the 1st pre season game…the most important part of it was that everyone stayed healthy.
yes it would have been great to see Barden and Nicks catching 4-5 balls each but who cares….
oh BTW, that kid the panthers have…leman…he’s got some upside.
but one thing i did want to point out…when the first team was on the field and reyes and boothe filled in, i thought they did very well. Boothe made a nice block opening up that run for Bradshaw…and i reiterate…Boothe is better at Gaurd than he is at Tackle.
You don't have to listen...
…but when you have a moron like Gilbride who constantly calls passes in short-yardage and redzone situations, people are going to notice when he keeps doing it, even if it is preseason.
They should run, run, and run some more. Then, they should keep running.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 18, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
it seems like you want Gilbride
to run more and it seems like the guy above me was complaining about the lack of passes in the 3rd and 4th quarter.
I thought the Eagles game from last year was an absolute debacle…but KG was still our OC when we won the SB and started 2008 10-1 or 11-1 (which ever it was).
I have my issues with KG too but i’m not going to use one pre season game as the standard for what’s to come. it was a pre season game…
That's all I am saying
It’s pre-season, so let’s relax.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Lets start over here
Gilbride should have given Bomar a few more pass plays IMO…I never said he’s horrible or anything like that so everyone needs to stop getting emotinal
LETS GO GMEN
by I_Formation27 on Aug 18, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions
It's cool
Bomar’s chance will come. As badly as Woodson played, Bomar will get a long look in one of the next two exhibition games.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm no Gilbride lover
but I agree that it’s ridiculous to get on him for a preseason game. I have a feeling that if Coughlin wanted Bomar and/or Woodson and/or Eli to get more passes, he would have told Gilbride to call more passes. Let’s give the guy till week 1 to start killing him for playcalling.
Good points
all three. But I’ll be re-forming the club at SOME point! Just kidding, kinda … once a guy becomes a negative focus or scapegoat it’s really easy to always remember and keep knocking him. I’ll have to try to be more neutral and open minded
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Aug 18, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Easy, SJ
I would love to do a ‘Grading Gilbride’ feature during the season. If this is how he is going to get treated in the pre-season, though, there is no way I am opening that can of worms.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Don't worry, I'll handle it anyway
I’m aware that’s it’s preseason, and that’s all well and good, but you can’t say “relax it doesn’t matter” when you’ve dedicated page after page analyzing players who won’t be anywhere near the 53-man roster.
This stuff does matter, and Gilbride’s decision-making leaves a lot to be desired, especially in wind games when he refuses to adjust despite Eli’s inability to get the ball downfield in those conditions.
He should have been shot after the Eagles playoff game, that’s how bad he was. He’s going to get criticized, and if you’re going to run a blog, you have to be willing to accept the fact that not everybody feels the same way you do.
I thought Gilbride called the game of his life during the Carolina game last year, so I’m willing to give credit where it’s due, but this season will test his ability to adapt to life without the old “toss it up to Plax” play in the red zone.
And I’m going to be all over his ass when he F’s up, you can bank on it.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 18, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
SJ
I think you know I can take the heat. I never expect everyone to agree with me. Yes, there are times KG screws up — just like any coach or player. All I said was let’s save the venom for games that actually mean something.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 18, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions
Because the Giants have a great O-line and a pair of good backs?
Because power running has always been a staple of Giants football?
because every embarrasing loss
has been because of too much passing, Washington 07, Tenn. 06… philly playoffs etc
Fair enough...
…but I’ve got to get geared up for Week 1 after Jacobs/Bradshaw get 60 yards on the ground, then Gilbride goes 5-wide from the 18-yard-line and calls 3 passes, then settles for a FG.
by New York Sports Jerk on Aug 18, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
All I'm saying
is I wish Bomar would’ve gotten about 3-4 more pass plays!!! that’s all.
GEEZ
LETS GO GMEN
by I_Formation27 on Aug 18, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Seriously...
Dude, these guys HAD to see if those O-Line could handle all of the pulling and scheme blocking assignments. They were horrible…that 2nd string line could not pull anybody off the line to create some running lanes. The offense had to demonstrate that to the players so they could hopefully get better before the season started.
Everybody needs to remember the reasoning for pre-season! It is for coaches to evaluate players…not schemes! IT IS ALSO FOR PLAYERS TO EVALUATE THEMSELVES AND GET BETTER. This O-Line will hopefully get better after seeing how bad their performance was against other 2nd and 3rd stringers.
In Reese We Trust
4 Sacks and 5 turnovers produced by our D
Boy I hope that’s a sign of things to come this season. Especially the turnover part.
Preseason? We're talking about preseason, man. Preseason.
I think both sides of the KG argument have made good points, but the main point is that it was the first preseason game. Plenty of time to see what the receivers have. If we have the same complaints after preseason game four, then we can form the lynch mob…
KG
the KG topic is always very split…I’ll admit that i was pretty pissed last year when he went away from the run so early but the giants also did not execute. That pick Eli threw to Samuel was horrible, I think it was Smith he was throwing to and Smith was wide open…Eli just threw it right over his head.
our Defense also collapsed so to point the finger only at KG is a bit un fair. but he by no means is immune to it.
I remember when we played TB in the playoffs in ‘07 and even Seattle last year…KG was putting Bradshaw in motion from the backfield and even had him line up wide…i love that play, defenses don’t know what to do. it’s just unfortunate that he can draw up those kinda plays and than turn around and go away from it. I think the success of Boss and Beckum fall on KG’s shoulders….we have to get those guys the ball b/c they can abuse LB’s…along w/ getting our RB’s involved in the passing game. If KG can do that than i’m a happy giant fan.

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