Land of the Giants: Off day reading material
The New York Giants have a day off from training camp today. At least the physical part, as they will spend the day in meetings. Here are some Giants-related stories floating around the Inter-Google to keep you occupied.
Ramses Barden could be the tall target the NY Giants desperately need - NJ.com
I have been impressed during training camp by rookie wide receiver Ramses Barden, the 6-foot-6 beast from Cal-Poly. It seems like I am not the only one. The following is from Mike Garafolo.
During Saturday's one-on-one end-zone drills, Barden ran a fade to the left side of the end zone while being covered by rookie cornerback Stoney Woodson. A few plays earlier, backup quarterback David Carr didn't throw it high enough and Woodson knocked it away. This time, Rhett Bomar lobbed it high and at Barden's back shoulder, trusting (or perhaps daring) the 6-6 rookie to make the play.
Barden pivoted, separated from Woodson, jumped and reached his right hand about 10 feet into the air -- while Woodson could only remain on the ground and watch. With only his right hand, Barden snatched the ball and came down in bounds for a touchdown. ...
In a little more than a week here at camp, Barden has adjusted to the NFL about as well as anyone could have expected of a rookie making the leap from Division 1-AA/FCS Cal Poly.
The third-round pick has made plenty of catches over the top of smaller defenders, has used his big body well to create separation while grabbing a ball in traffic and has run some pretty smooth routes for a big guy. He even took a big chunk out of the "he can't get off the line quickly" criticism with a few impressive post-snap moves, including one quick shimmy that helped him blow right past cornerback Aaron Ross.
Barden's play has surprised a lot of people. Barden isn't one of them.
"I know what I'm capable of," he said. "All I'm doing is trying to be the player I can be. As far as surprises, they have to do with expectations. I didn't really come into this with expectations at all."
With his play to this point in camp, Barden is raising expectations.
"That one-handed catch was terrific. That's the kind of stuff we need," wide receiver Sinorice Moss said. "Using his size and those big hands, that's the kind of stuff you should expect from him. I know I do."
Steve Smith steps out of the shadows
From the Los Angeles Times:
The pattern will never show up in a New York Giants playbook, but it's one Steve Smith has known his whole life.
It's called deep under cover.
Despite his outstanding career at USC and two productive seasons in New York, Smith can still slip past fans the way he does defenders.
That's likely to end this NFL season, as Smith steps into a more prominent role with the Giants, who no longer have stars Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress on their roster.
Which wide receivers are earning passing grades at NY Giants camp?
From NJ.com:
Halfway through the Giants' stay at UAlbany, the largely unproven lot that is the Giants' receiving corps is having its ups and downs. A rundown of where each pass catcher stands so far.
Running back Ahmad Bradshaw hopes to be weapon in Giants' passing game
From the New York Daily News:
Bradshaw not only plans on stepping into the No. 2 running back role this season, he also wants to convince the coaches he can be Tiki-like out of the backfield.
"Oh yeah, that's a big part of my game," Bradshaw said recently. "Last year Derrick (Ward) took a lot of that role. But that's where I can complement Brandon Jacobs. I can come in and catch the ball, change up the speed, change up the pace a little bit. That'll help our offense a whole lot."
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please, please, please
let Gilbride use Bradshaw on some screens! Let him get the ball out in the open where he can do his thing.
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by bigbluethruandthru on Aug 11, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
Screens
There have been several of those in camp, especially to AB.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 11, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree! I hope they turn him loose Bradshaw is an explosive weapon and I think he has learned
a ton by watching Derek Ward play last season. He is strong and shifty with explosive speed.
Ed's right
when i was there they were throwing screen passes to AB…I also saw that they lined him up wide a few times too…
Barden...
it’s not a coincidence that Barden is getting a lot of credit…Ed pointed it out very early and once you actually see this guy on the field it’s hard to deny that he’s got a ton of talent.
let’s all just hope he keeps this positive attitude and stays healthy.
yup...not looking good for Tyree
i was reading an article on MSN…and even they think that Tyree’s time is limited, not only with the Giants but with the NFL in general.
YAC
Really interesting stat I heard this morning while listening to the Bill Simmons/Michael Lombardi podcast this morning:
I had never heard this before, but according to Lombardi the GMen were 31st in the NFL in the “Yards After Catch” category. Lombardi said that while the WR position is a question mark for the team, he thinks that if they can simply improve in the YAC statistic they’ll be a much more solid team this year.
Incidentally, he also said that he thought the Giants were the most complete team in the NFC, and second most complete team in the NFL (2nd to the Patriots, of course).
Pretty interesting stat.
That sounds very true
They did not bust any sort of runs after catching the ball most of the time last year (particularly Smith, who I think has to be falling down according to this contract when catching a ball).
With all this depth at WR, DL, and RB ...
Is there any logical “trades” where we can get a low round pick (ala Ryan Grant) for someone we just don’t have room for ?
WR rankings
Based on what you’ve seen thus far in training camp, do we have clear cut #1 and 2 receivers and third down specialists? Or are the roles still up in the air?
Could Barden be a #1 receiver?
Up in the air
No games have been played, and it’s way too early. Just be encouraged that it looks like the Giants playmakers. As for Barden being a No. 1, only time will tell.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 11, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey Ed..
We know Tyree is a gamer vs. a practice guy..but what do you think?..Coughlin loves the guy..Does he have a shot?..from what your hearing?
Forget what I'm hearing
What I’m seeing is a guy who is the 8th best receiver out of the 10 the Giants have in camp. Both Hagan and Moss are better. There are only two ways he makes this team:
1. He is still a dynamic special teams player. Sadly, I don’t think he is. He has had knee and leg troubles for a year and a half now, and I doubt he is the same kind of player on coverage teams that he used to be.
2. Injuries. We can root for Tyree, but we can’t root for other guys to get hurt.
If and when Tyree gets cut it will be a sad day. But, it seems to be inevitable.
by Ed Valentine on Aug 11, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Barden more likely to be situational in first year
It would be asking an awful lot for Barden to become a #1 receiver in his first year and I don’t think Coughlin would ever attempt that. I do think that if he continues to excel in camp he will be a situational starter with certain plays in certain situations designed for him. You may see him in the game whenever the Giants are in the “green” zone — he could be the go to guy or #1 in those situations but let’s not get to gooey yet — It’s only been a week.
Barden
This ‘No. 1’ stuff is way premature. Let’s aim for ‘productive.’
by Ed Valentine on Aug 11, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions
fall back a lil...
yeah if you read the comments section on the article people are already mentioning HOF. let’s not get ahead of ourselves big blue. let ramses acclimate himself into a role, whatever it may be. altho i must admit, i’m getting a feeling similar to that of what i got when i first saw big boy jacobs blast through preseason comp his rookie season….
Barden will start out
as a situational type player, i see him being an asset in the green zone…but i really believe that with sucess they’ll give him more because he is more than just a goal line receiver. I think that by by week 13-14 he will be a regular cog in the wheel. No, he won’t be the #1 but he may push Smith over to the slot or just play the slot himself…even as i write this I know that I may be getting ahead of myself, but after seeing him up close and personal I have a gut feeling that this kid is special. When i was there on Saturday nicks and tyree hardly participated and Barden was all over the field. If I didn’t know any better i would thought our top 3 guys were: Smith, Barden, and Hagan

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